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13;30 man I do the testing while I am discharge testing and you don't want to pull the power to reset the screen as it starts the whole charge discharge process over again..... you just tap the display button TWICE and it comes back to your present job (TEST) :) hope that helped someone!
This video is quite a while but very informative and useful till today than any other videos about this charger that I've seen so far! 😊 Thanks!
The Xtar internal resistance #'s depend on on the connection between the springy probes. It's much more accurate if you tightly and completely compress the springs to get a solid connection as verified by a stand alone meter test.
Great review! Minor note in the resistance comparison tests. The values and differences are in milliohms not ohms.
I think I thought it quit working after many hours so I killed the power and somehow lost everything. I didn't know about the 10 minute phase where it looks like it's failing! Thank you. I will wait next time!
Another great review! Love the Banggood karate chops.......
HIIIYAAHHHH!! lol thanks man!
I have this charger. It's the most expensive of all my chargers. I love it. No issues so far! Some people diss Xtar, but I haven't had a single issue with any of the 6 Xtar chargers I own.
Yeah its kind of expensive but you get a lot of features! Its my favorite charger for sure now!!!👍
8:07 perfect timing, as soon as you reconnect the battery you get my face confirming "INSTANT POWEEEEERR" on your screen hahahaha this is hilarious.... ohh yeaahhh!!! =]
LOL I know right!!! as soon as I saw it making the video I LOLED and said YES PERFECT!!! Ill throw a link to your ch in the box! BOOOM!!!
AveRage Joe Hahahaha super THAAAAAANKS for adding my channel link in your video description hahahahahaa what a LEGEND =]
Great review! I can see BG sending you their entire stock inventory to review now :-)
I hope they take note of your observations and update their firmware.
I'd prefer independent display regions for each cell, but I could live with the 1,4 and 2,3 toggle.
Worth it just for the accurate IR measuring - Opus is hopeless for IR, (but IIRC they do say in the manual that reads at least 30mΩ too high because of the spring connectors). However, with this is mind it can still give a rough guide to the health of a cell, ie: if the Opus says it's over 150mΩ then I reckon it's ready for recycling or at best a B category.
Thanks!! That would be cool if they did😆😉 Ya I prefer if it shows all 4 at the same time as well. Yeah I wish I had another way to check IR accurately to verify!!
15:03 2020 updated model, shows the test cables picture above the correct USB to use, and I've tested well over 110 lots of 4 cells and it remembers them all back 64 levels down, BTW if you replace cells with another before they are all finished it messes up the recording and stays on the same "record" number, you have to wait til they are all green (FULL) and pull them all out for it to start another recording and keep the current one. I got over it (recording) as I have over 1000 batteries to test and write each them as I pull them out!
I really appreciate your review. You are a very good teacher and don't waste my time -- except for repeated raving about the Dragon being your favorite. :-) That's OK because the video is entertaining as well as informative. Good Job! I just happen to have the same XTAR and OPUS chargers you partially compared, and am in a slow process of comprehensively comparing them myself. As a practical non-technical matter I prefer to use the DRAGON just because of its excellent lighted display. I always seem to use a charger in dim light, and have to get a flashlight or whatever to read the unlit LCD display of the OPUS. I don't have to do that with the XTAR. It seems like the illuminated display would be especially helpful for folks who charge their 18650's when they're out camping or hunting or spelunking or whatever. You might consider mentioning this feature in other evaluations when applicable. Or not. Anyway, thanks for helping me understand my chargers a little better.
You don't have the same OPUS charger since that OPUS has an illuminated display as well, or your unit might be broken.
yea that looks like a pretty fancy charger, seems great for high volume testing! what i want is the SkyRC MC3000 that way i can program it with fancy profile, and make graphs to see how a battery performs. I do have alot of 18650's but i am in no hurry.
Yeah that would be another charger to get and compare to all the others!😀👍
got mine yesterday, i like it.
You do not have to unplug it to get it out of the voltage and ohm screen, just double-click the “Display” button.
Can you charge a battery by using the two usb red black probes?
Or they are just for test/probe. Thks.
Nice review I'm considering this or the VC4+. However, I couldn't see your comparison notes, the screen was washed out - perhaps too much contrast.
Nice feature set, high priced, but I think I'll stick with the Opus. Thanks Joe!
Yeah I would say its my favorite out of the chargers I have tried so far. Ill know more in time!😀👍
Xtar Dragon VP4 Plus doesnt show accurate capacity readings. I did a lot of tests with 2600mah cells.
In avarage Dragon did scan these 2600mah cells ~2800mah capacity. The highest were 2920mah.
While Xtar VC8 did read the same cells a perfect 2630mah to 2710mah. It didnt matter what current or refresh/test was used.
Great review, I was wondering about exactly what this charger could do. Thanks.
You betcha! Its a really nice charger IMO😀🖒
I wonder what the internal resistance of the cells are when measured with an instrument designed for the purpose.
Finding out would likely give an indication as to the accuracy of the devices.
I agree! Diy Tech & Repairs did a video using IR tester vs Opus and I charger czcams.com/video/w5GFp8QBxP8/video.html and opus was pretty high compared to the tester. I am actually thinking the Xtar does do a good job going off of his results.
Cool, good info mate. I’m gonna write the resistance (in mili ohms) on each cell too. I think the high ones are gonna get hot
Thanks, Yeah I forgot the "m" for the resistance check, not even thinking about it DOH!!!
This is pretty awesome. I need one of these things
It comes in real handy!!
Im a bit late to the video, but hitting the display button twice, lett you go out of test screen..
Double klick of the Display button to get back to the main display
Would be good to see capacity comparisons between Xtar Opus and foxnovo.
I started testing for the comparison!👍🔋
Can the xtar handle lifepo4 batterys? 🤔
Honestly I wasn't impressed and was thinking not really worth the extra money compared to others until you unplugged it and charged a phone at 2.4a!! Game changer for me.
I thought that was an Awesome feature and would most likely take it places lick camping or vacation! 🔋👍
Great review. Can you also review VAPCELL S4 Plus 3A. It seems it has all the functions at a better price.
If I had one to review I would!
If you do the capacity tests between the models, might make a difference using different current charge/discharge values. You might find the lower current may show more consistent results.
Yeah you are probly right! Do you test yours at different rates, I was thinking just the one amp to keep them all the same and it usually finds the heaters at one amp but I could probly do a few other rates in there!
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Nice intro :). Ty for sharing .
+mohammed jaffer Thank You and you bet!!!
Joe have you capacity tested the same 4 cells 3 or 4 times to get a difference in capacity reading. I have noticed testing on the foxnovo that 4 test with the same 4 batteries I can get a difference of as much as 250ma from the highest to the lowest of the 4 test
Yeah I have, Im working on a video comparing the 4 different chargers I have. I did test the same cells repeatedly through all chargers but am going to redo the test with some brand new cells. There will be a difference every time but Im looking for consistency. 👍
2 questions:
No fan on this unit?
Have you tested the USB output amperage?
I've purchased a couple devices that claim 2.1a, 2.4a or 2.6a output, but only deliver 1.5a max.
No fan on the unit unless its a Ninja fan😉 I havent tested the USB for amps but I sure could🔋👍
You can get out of the volt testing display by pressing the display button twice
Awesome! Good to know thanks!👍
Looking forward to the capacity check against the Opus.
Working on tests now!🔋👍
Something else that's sad, you can charge and test a battery in one port, write the values on it and if you do it in ANY OTHER slot they are different, all are inconsistent with each other, and the discrepancy is sometimes huge, like up to a couple hundred mAh!
The Dragon VP4 Plus will remember up to 500 test results BUT it only saves when all 4 cells finish. So if you start 4, and then replace each one as soon as it finishes and keep doing that all day, then you'll never get to the state where all 4 are finished, and it won't save the results. In other words, it only saves groups of 4, and if you replace a cell before the rest of the group is done then it will just make that new cell part of the group instead of the old one.
Ok cool! Thats good info to have. Thats pretty much what I do now is just leave it until all 4 are ready to change. Basically twice a day! Thanks!!!👍
I use an Xtar charger....I will need to get me this version next!!!Great Video Joe!!!!First!!!
Sold out on BangGood,,,,,,,But I found one on Ebay!! : )
What version do you have? Crap.... they are sold out!! Ahhh Christmas LOL.
I have the Xtar VC2. Watching your Video, I would save a ton of time using this charger. Normally when I test, It takes me a few days on just 10-20 laptop Batteries. I am small time, and use 2 Imax B6V2, a small DIY 5x TP4056 2.5amp charger and the XtarVC2. Takes me forever!!!That charger would save me so much time.
Now I just need to find me a cheap or Free supplier for laptop batteries"no one close here : (..." With this charger it should be a breeze to test!!!!Thanks for the Video!!!!
You need to upgrade for sure!!! What are you waiting for😉😜👍🔋
LOL, Now I am waiting for shipping!!!Purchased right after I saw this video! actually, Not even halfway through the video, and I had my hand on the buy button...LOL
NOICE!!!
Like to see your opinion on the Liitokala lii 500 charger Joe. Nearly half the price of the Opus, a bit under powered maybe.
Coming UP!!!😉😜👍
lol. awesome. one more thing to beep at ya :) I'll stick with my 3 foxnovos for now. This thing is a little too much at $85.
Its a nice charger for sure!!! Yeah I know right..... Another BEEP!!!!😀👍
what would be the best way to check capacity of cells? and the cheapest!??? besides buying this?
+James stranger The LittoKala lii-500 is around $20 and does a great job!
bought 3 from your link
id still like to know what temp they should be when discharging at 1amp
Awesome Thanks!!! Just answered you comment in other video!
Is this still your favorite charger?
THis one seems to be a good charger for if you have just individual cells. I like its Display
Oh and you mean m ohms too.
Yeah I like this charger a lot! Aaaand yeah m ohms lol🤣
i wonldn't mind the antimatter one either :) about to upload a vid on my channel soon as in like within 30 mins
Sweet, Ill take a LookC!!!!
Those punches and spear hands of fury look pretty devastating, but I don't think I've seen worse form on a kick since...well...ever. :P
+levik1832 Theres plenty more where that came from 😉🤣😂
Thank you for your review. I just received my XTAR Dragon VP4 Plus. Your review was one of the main reasons that I ordered this charger. The other reason was that I just came out of an extended power outage and I wanted to have this charger as a power bank for my phone and tablet. I do have a couple of questions. The box mentions that there is an "OV Activation function that revives over-discharged batteries". The included paperwork doesn't discuss this feature. I've watched your video several times and I didn't see any mention of it but I may have missed it. How does this 'OV' feature work? Is it automatic or do I need to select it? Also, I ordered batteries at the same time. They were advertised as Panasonic NCR18650B 3400 mAh, 4.9A button top, protected batteries that were on sale because they are discontinued. I tested all the batteries for iR and voltage before beginning the TEST mode. All were between 37 and 42 mOhms. Voltages were all 3.42V. I had tried the batteries in an Olight flashlight first and they all had insufficient voltages as to illuminate the LED. So, is 3.42V some lower limit below which the VP4 will not register? Again, thank you. Keep up the good work.
Nice! Yeah they are pretty awesome chargers with a ton of options! The over discharge function should work on anything above 2v if I remember right. There isnt anything special you have to do. I personally havent run across any button top cells(which is crazy) but 3.42v isnt all that low. The flashlight should have illuminated! Most new cells are shipped at storage voltage of 3.4-3.6v. Are you saying the charger wont charge them back up? If that is the case I would say the protection board(button top) is enabled or bad. However you were able to ohm and voltage check them. Hmmmmmm Did you try just charging them or doing the test mode only?
@@AveRage_Joe I was in the middle of the first four batteries in the TEST mode when I messaged you. They all turned out good. Back to the OV activation, I read that if a 18650 protected battery is over discharged a circuit will open, voltage will fall to zero and you cannot charge them. The XTAR box says that it can "revive" them. Is this true and if so how is this accomplished? Automatically or must I do something?
Oh ok gotcha. I believe those boards are there to prevent over discharge like you said and cut it off but thats a worse case thing at 2.5v. If it doesnt let you recharge after the pcb kicks in you could always rip it off to revive and recharge the cells. Did you want the cells for the protection or just got them cause they were cheaper in price since they were discontinued.
@@frederickmartin6998 bit late here, but I have held another charged 1.2v battery with a wire across the discharged one (in the charger) and sometimes they charge initially as a NiCad (a bit weird) until the voltage is high enough, you can then pull it out and back in and it will charge as a L-ion cell. I find crappy cells are ok for non critical stuff like toys and torches etc. and then recycle them at the supermarket cell disposal bin.
Nice video 👍. Is Xtar VP4 Plus Dragon better than Opus BT-C3100 v2.2? In terms of pure/raw charge quality ofc... I'm having a hard times to decide which one to get between those... Thanks.
Yeah the xtar is better in my opinion BUT if you really want a GREAT charger Id get the skyrc mc3000. Xtar would be 2nd choice. If buying from banggood they have it as well.
@@AveRage_Joe Yea i know for SkyRC, but i don'f like the color 😆😅🤣. Xtar is also amazing at mostly everything.
I currently have the XTAR VC4 just got it recently. I guess this is the more basic model .
Yeah I think that one only has a charge function. Fine if thats all you need but I need discharge function for testing cells health!
@@AveRage_Joe So what is the discharge function on the battery charger for ..really? just to test the quality current state of the batteries? (charge and discharge)?
A few reasons. Let say you buy some cells and they claim 3400mah but you capacity test them and they show 1200mah. Then you know you have fake cells. If you recycle cells for making your own battery packs, you need to know the discharge capacity to make equal packs.
Cool charger! All the portable features look like they'll be a hit with the vapers. A co worker who vapes carrys his charger with him...
It is a cool charger! Yeah I guess people who vape would keep a charger around!🔋
Cool!
how would this compare to the Miboxer C4-12?
I dont think it compairs at all actually. The miboxer looks to be a charger only, no discharging option from the specs I read.
mate, if you're going to test 5 times with each charger, I think it is better to do it in sequence like => same battery - > test 1 opus »foxnovo» xtar; test 2 opus»foxnovo»xtar, etc... Since you're cycling the batteries it may be more accurate test on the charger difference rather than the battery capacity consistency
Sounds like a fine idea to do. Maybe Ill do it both ways and see if there is a difference!👍
nice to know this option, but too expensive for me. i would rather have two bt3100.
The opus chargers are great chargers!
You did not test a aaa battery in your in depth review, had you done so, you would have found it does not hold the battery in the correct position and is problematic to get it to charge, very poor design and the reason I will be returning mine.
Good Review. Is this much better than the Nitecore SC4 ?
Thanks! Yes, there not even in the same ballpark!🤘
Thank you@@AveRage_Joe
Can you get a power cord to plug into your car?
Yes it comes with one!😃🖒
Is it not 1/1000 of an ohm, ie mohm in inner resistance
Yes you are correct. I sometimes assume others all ready know that and I forget to use correct wordings lol. Nice catch!💥👍
thought you also wrote ohm on the video also when comparing (if it were correct you would not be able to get a 1/10 amp out of the battery at a short circuit) ;-)
and I've noticed in other video saying Watt or kW when you mean kWh
so sometimes it will be the wrong size / scale and sometimes wrong between power and energy
(think everyone understands what you mean but thought it might be worth thinking)
Yup you are correct again😀
what about this compared with Nitecore SC4?
No comparison at all actually. The SC4 is only a charger. Doesnt have discharge function which is one of the most important functions to tell battery health. Dont get me wrong nitecore chargers are good chargers but many dont have the functions needed. If all you need is a charger for flashlights ect then it would be just fine but there are other cheaper chargers that can do that and more.
@@AveRage_Joe I m looking for a complete charger for flashlight, aaa, aaaa batteries etc.
Actually im using a Nicjoy LC300 but is pretty basic, do you have any good recommentadion? Thank you so much.
they need to make one of these that is just for 18650
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Can i charge 36v battery with this charger ?
No not with this charger.
That thing is yuuuuge, aaaand yet it still doesn't charge 9-volt batteries. Shame *ding ding*
Advantages:
Can charge D sized batteries, can check non rechargable battery voltage. Cool powerbank feature.
Disadvantages:
The Opus can charge at 0.2 , 0.3 , 0.5 , 0.7, 1.0 , 1.5 , 2.0A, charging tiny cells (AAA and below) at 0.5A is way too fast. Opus shows 4 cell statuses at once, Xtar only 2. Opus is more compact.
Question: is it possible to use alkaline cells for the powerbank feature? I mean, it's not plugged in and all you're doing is discharging the cells.
I hope I don't forget that the charger remembers
Lol I do!😆👍
The Xtar looks good, but does it have an obnoxiously loud beeper to interrupt your video recording???!?? Well??? ;-) OK it does!!! COOL!!!
Not as loud as the FoxNovo lol! I get a few beeps at the end😆😜
I want one I blew up the VC4 lol
I would love to own one but not at that price
They are a little pricey but paying for those extra options!
Would be good if beep could be switched off, as for us high volume capacity testers, there is nothing more annoying......
Oh uuuum I think you can turn that beep off 😆🔋👍
You can.
Can this fit 26650s and do LiFePO4?
It can fit 26650's but cant do LifePO4. The opus can do LifePO4 tho. I did a video with the opus charger and how to do on my channel!🖒
Xtar dragon vp4 vs skyRC MC 3000 that's real competition......👍
+Bostjan Trancar Yeah thats another one Id like to try!!!😃
You're banggood link is broken FYI
+Steven Guzman For realz, thanks Ill get it fixed. Thanks for letting me know!!😀🖒
You dont have to wait 10 minutes to quit test mode. Double klick Display
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The only thing this charger needs is a voltage display.
Agree!!!
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LCD Display Tension (V), Courant (mA), Heure (h), Capacité (mAh), Résistance interne (mR)
Type de batterie compatibles 18650, 26650, 26500, 22650, 18490, 17670, 17500, 17355, 16340, 14500, 10440, A, AA, AAA, SC sizes, RCR123 et autres piles rechargeables
Biiiiiip :D
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Anything with "dragon" in the name is auto-cool.
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Conclusion Charger XTAR Dragon VP4 Plus: Purchase recommendation conditionally. For Li-Ion batteries ok, there was no problem.
Otherwise: Somewhat difficult to understand, handling annoying.
No purchase recommendation when using for AA or AAA batteries. Here it came to overcharges, heating the battery and finally worked a charging slot no longer. Here I recommend Panasonic fast chargers.
The device Xtar VP4 Plus "Dragon" we are very often heavily advertised and one would like to
"That's it".
Many and good ideas have flowed into the device here.
For me, however, it turned out that these were only partially usable.
Do you want 18650 Li-Ion battery or rechargeable batteries? Ex. Also charge Li-ion battery 26650, no problem.
You have many functions and for me was u.a. important to see what total capacity the battery has.
This device ran without any problems and refer to the tests often shown on the internet
often rely on the Li-ion batteries.
Unfortunately, there was something on my device that was previously lacking in Li-Ion
Batteries ran well, with the first use of other batteries a problem. In common
Batteries AA (Ni-MH) came to heat (very hot), overcharge and permanent
Charging shaft failure of a charging shaft (Err). This is not possible for this price.
Since you can better keep your fingers off and unfortunately I can not fully
recommend.
My conclusion: If you want to charge 18650 or 26650 batteries, that makes quite a cheaper device.
For the loading of Ni-MH (AA and AAA) I recommend for me, from experience, available branded goods.
Do you actually have a point in all your pointless blabbering??
that's why they cost so much! they got AC/DC and TRANSFORMERS! Autobots in disguise!
+James stranger BOOM! 😃
Erm no even the subs don't comment
Bit sad, after I'd had my unit just under 2 years, one charging port (CELL FOUR) started having ISSUES, it "said" it was charging but was not, and because it wasn't (or something) it slowly said it charged (and like a car speedo), going right over 9999 and zero, it was still in warranty also I sent emails to the company with images of the delivery date etc. - no reply, did it a couple of times again and eventually they replied (By this time I had asked for a circuit diagram OR a new board I could replace myself as a trip for it to China and back would take way over 3 months!) IGNORED!!!! I said I would POST a YT video on it, but still haven't - anyway WARNING to buyers, beware poor customer service - they don't CARE about your "hobby". I am yet to do a video and will probably do a DISMANTLING one and possibly a repair or at worst diagnostics only. Having 3 charging ports instead of 4 is a pain in the butt, although they still work. The left most spring is like a 20 year old charger, stiff and creaky, I'd say likely rusty spring or something and has to be pulled back with my finger to insert a battery there for charging. (Never been in a humid place.)
EXPENCIVE NECESARRY
No, anexpensive charger/discharger is not necessary if your building a powerwall!
Very informative. But won't be subscribing due to his un- awesome droning tones.omfg dude, you should do reviews on voice changers, awesome!
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Is this still your favorite charger?
It is one of them yes!!!🤘