Thanks for making this video and sharing it with us. I like you explained the size difference from what NatureHike advertise on the sleeping mat dimensions, I was struggling to find measurements on that part online. Your efforts are appreciated! 😀👍
The missing ten percent ‘down could well be duck feathers (90% down, 10% feather) rather than goose this would keep cost down. I have the more expensive goose down quilt, and has been one of my best buys.
which one do you have? mind sending a link and letting me know the weight? ive considered them before, but i dont know if the weight savings is worth the price increase. IMO@@freeforester1717
My pleasure. Still no issues! I've thought about doing durability tests. Similar to the ones you see on Project Farm. However i dont have the budget and i think it's a bit wasteful. Anyways, the best test is to test it through use. Hopefully as more people get this pad and as time goes on we can hear more opinions and experiences.
Just realized you were talking about the quilt not the pad. I wouldnt be too worried about the durability. a lot of people have this quilt and i have not heard of any durability issues. just make sure you treat it as it should be.
I grew up with metric but after years living in USA I started thinking in inches, many camping items are measured in metric which I’m starting to get back to it, that being said I still think in miles, gallons but not ounces, Fahrenheit not Celsius….in short I’m just a hot mess. Lmao.
thank you :) if i was you i'd get the medium. you have a bit of a buffer in case it comes in short. also havin your toes or feet hang off the pad slightly isn't gonna kill ya. i have some regular pads where it's like that for me.
The only problem i have with down equipment made from china is that it's basicly unwashable, the baffles inside are usually not fully sewn (small gaps at the ends), i don't know if it's the case for this one but it seems to be the case with all the aegismax bags (had this problem on my twilight quilt). Edit : to be fair it seems to be the case with a lot of manufacturers (even bigger brands), for sleeping bags i've so far only found 4 brands that guaranteeed me by mail their baffles are fully sewn an can sustain a wash.
Thanks for your insight. I've only washed mine once, so i can't say much about potential washing degradation. however that one wash didnt seem to have any noticeable issues. I made sure to wash it on a side load washer with the most delicate settings and then air dry. how many washes are you getting in before you start seeing major down leakage? mind sharing which brands guarantee that? thanks!
@@OutdoorOtaku Hello, i've not tryed to wash on a washing machine such designed sleeping bags. There is a lot of people that advocate for hand washing but in my opinion that's not a proper wash, especially with the dirty conditions we put those items through, and down degrates from dirt a lot (not washing is actually detrimental to the down as opposed to what people say). To be noticed that i was talking about a delicate wash but with a moderate spinning cycle (600-800 rpm). The only manufacturers that i found that guaranteed a bag will FULLY sewn baffles were (i mailed the manufacturers) : Rab (an i can confirm by having washed and spinned a rab endurance 600 from 2012 that was dirty as hell and surely restored a lot of the loft), valandré, pajak, and a small workshop in france called triple zéro. Also about the filling power this is a tricky subject that i could write an essay on but to say the least : Temperature over 0°C are not punishing so that's why a lot of bags performs as advertised for most at that range of temperature. (funny thing is if u go on pajak website, the core 400 is EN rated at 0°C with 700P duck down and the pajak radical 4Z with the same amount of fill but with 900 CUIN idfl is rated EN at -1°C. + Any manufacturers claming having over 700 fp duck down, that's complete bullcrap, only very high quality goose down can reach the 800+. Unfortunatly no real studies as to what the actual R value difference are between different quality of down but down of top quality can only be gathered on mature animals (2-3 years for goose), there is difference at molecular level. I've recently bought a second hand triple zero bag filled with 700g 800+ EU fp (not idfl) goose down (the bag was made in 2016!), i've never owned a high quality bag before and i was amazed by the loft, the height of the footbox is atleast 25cm, it's really impressive. (could show you if you're interested) To conclude i'd say that chinese bags are decently made but became WAY overpriced for the quality (it was a good deal years ago) i'd rather pay twice the price and having something that can sustain the long term maintenance needed to keep your down performing + actual good quality down. (note that the bag conception is important too and that a point that not a lot of people recognize since they always think that higher number are good, i'd rather have a 700 fp well made bag than a 850 fp badly designed) Well that was a thorough answer, as you can see i could write a book on this matter, hope that peaked your interest.
@@rshacker95 Thanks for the detailed reply. I'd love to see your 2nd hand triple zero bag. I agree , ideally it's best for the consumer as well as the environment to buy something that is made to last. Even if that means more costly. If anyone can afford a better made bag/quilt, something 2nd hand, or made from a cottage company, then i would urge them to do so. however i still feel that having an affordable option (whether from china or any where else) is important for the community. It offers a low barrier of entry for those who may be just getting started / dont have a lot of funds. Once that person realizes they like backpacking and their interest grows, im sure they will start to justify more expensive purchases (cottage companies, better quality gear, etc).
Received it. The 183cm mummy version. I do like it very much. Feel well made. I have yet to try it out for the night but i think i will be happy with it. The major con that i have for it though,apart from lack of warranty and slightly smaller dimensions than listed(i knew this would be the case when making the purchase and am ok with it, it's not too bad) is that it lacks insulation in the head and foot end of the pad,as well as little bit around the sides. In the head end it's not too much and i guess you would use a pillow anyways. However in the foot end it is substantial. So if you really want to use it in the winter i would say go for the rectangular version. I also wanted to ask how is the insulation in your pad? Is it that it lacks insulation all around,about 5cm into the pad? Because that's what i would assume for the rectangular. I guess that mummy style is perhaps more difficult to fit insulation into that shape.
I think most pads the insulation doesnt go all the way to the edge. This one may have a slightly larger gap, but i didnt find it noticeable, at least not on my rectangle pad. For me, lack of insulation at the feet is no big deal. I can always wear socks or down booties. Then again, i have not done any really cold winter backpacking so take what i have to say with a grain of salt. I'll give it a measure and let you know.
This is a really great review. You actually tried it out over a couple of nights and said about the non-existent warrantee. As far as I could see you missed nothing out.... apart from the noise. Was it crackly and noisy or was it not too bad?
@@MrEvilWasp my pleasure, thanks for commenting! :) i am too. i always bring ear plugs. however thats mostly due to outdoor noises. what pad do you usually use?
@@OutdoorOtaku I've been using a Trekology ul140. I really like it's overall size, but it's a bit heavy for hiking plus there is no R rating so I'm looking around. The Big Agnes Rapide Insulated wide long, is one I've been looking at. Have you tried one before? The newly released 2024 version is suppose to be even quieter than their last one.
i see, gotcha. I've never used the BA rapide however i have a BA Q core deluxe that is similar. One of the most comfortable pads i have and very quiet. I heard about the new version. i just googled it and it looks like they switched from primaloft insulation to mylar film. Im surprised they say the new one is quieter. Typically, in my experience, pads that use down or synthetic insulation are more quiet then the ones that use mylar/reflective film. If you have any store that stock pads i'd definitely recommend trying them. have you slept on a pad with mylar/reflective film as insulation before? you may realize the noise is actually not that bad! @@MrEvilWasp
Thank you! will have some more coming soon. No hammock camping. Never tried however i'd be interested! any recommendations for good starting budget gear?
I don't think so. i think 4r for 20f is a bit low. I havent gone down to 20f before though, so ymmv. you can maayybe get away with it if you had down booties, pants, jacket, and hood. or if you layer with another quilt/sleepingbag.
no i have not done any follow up, but thats a great idea. but still no issues with the pad. i havent tested it down to that temperature again though. I dont really do winter backpacking.
All good! I ended up getting the same pad, so when I go out next I'll tell you how it fares in AU winter conditions! I'm hoping it'll be good down to below freezing given 5.8.
How was comfort compared to a Tensor? I was planning on getting the Tensor LW. But man, it's 260 euros now. So i began considering this pad a bit more seriously. It'd be about 100 euros of money savings which is not a small amount.
Sorry for the delayed response. I'd say on par with the tensor. The tensor is 0.3 inches thicker, however i haven't noticed the difference. Once it gets cold again i can do a follow up video and compare the warmth to the tensor. that'll be interesting to see since the tensor is rated lower. I've used this pad a few more times since the review and still no issues! I sold my LW tensor. Still have a small for my wife. its a great pad but like you said its pricey!
@@bimazivanovic4784 I think most common complaint is the sizing issue. i haven't heard of any construction/ quality issues, at least for now... If you do pick it up, please share your experience with the community so we can get more data :). Happy trails!
It easily matches if not better than the Sea to Summit Ether XT Extreme which is nearly twice the pack size and weight. I've been down to -5c with a reflective mat for more protection
My pleasure, thank you! Considering the price, weight, warmth, and that its brand new, i think its one of the best options. That is the Thermodrop Thermometer.
I have both these and can confirm theyre great for winter 👌
thank you for your feedback!
@@OutdoorOtaku no problem 👍
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Thanks for making this video and sharing it with us. I like you explained the size difference from what NatureHike advertise on the sleeping mat dimensions, I was struggling to find measurements on that part online. Your efforts are appreciated! 😀👍
my pleasure. im glad to help!!
Wow great detailed video. Thanks so much!
my pleasure, im glad you found it helpful!
Another great video. Thanks.
thank you :)
very indepth, great job!
Thank you!
The missing ten percent ‘down could well be duck feathers (90% down, 10% feather) rather than goose this would keep cost down. I have the more expensive goose down quilt, and has been one of my best buys.
gotcha, thanks for the info.
whats the benefits of goose down? warmth to weight ratio is better?
@@OutdoorOtaku exactly this, better insulation:weight ratio
which one do you have? mind sending a link and letting me know the weight? ive considered them before, but i dont know if the weight savings is worth the price increase. IMO@@freeforester1717
@@OutdoorOtaku @freeforester1717
Would also like a link to the one you purchased if you don’t mind 🙏🏼
Thank you!
my pleasure!
Thank you for converting units👍 i have planned to buy this sleeping bag for next winter. I hope you will update with a durability test.
My pleasure. Still no issues!
I've thought about doing durability tests. Similar to the ones you see on Project Farm. However i dont have the budget and i think it's a bit wasteful.
Anyways, the best test is to test it through use. Hopefully as more people get this pad and as time goes on we can hear more opinions and experiences.
Just realized you were talking about the quilt not the pad. I wouldnt be too worried about the durability. a lot of people have this quilt and i have not heard of any durability issues. just make sure you treat it as it should be.
I grew up with metric but after years living in USA I started thinking in inches, many camping items are measured in metric which I’m starting to get back to it, that being said I still think in miles, gallons but not ounces, Fahrenheit not Celsius….in short I’m just a hot mess. Lmao.
Loved your review, your video had everything we needed to know! I'm wondering tho, if I'm 175 cm, should i get the medium or large one?
thank you :)
if i was you i'd get the medium. you have a bit of a buffer in case it comes in short.
also havin your toes or feet hang off the pad slightly isn't gonna kill ya. i have some regular pads where it's like that for me.
@@OutdoorOtaku i was thinking abt the quilt, should I get the large just to be sure and have more room or the medium?
The only problem i have with down equipment made from china is that it's basicly unwashable, the baffles inside are usually not fully sewn (small gaps at the ends), i don't know if it's the case for this one but it seems to be the case with all the aegismax bags (had this problem on my twilight quilt).
Edit : to be fair it seems to be the case with a lot of manufacturers (even bigger brands), for sleeping bags i've so far only found 4 brands that guaranteeed me by mail their baffles are fully sewn an can sustain a wash.
Thanks for your insight. I've only washed mine once, so i can't say much about potential washing degradation. however that one wash didnt seem to have any noticeable issues. I made sure to wash it on a side load washer with the most delicate settings and then air dry.
how many washes are you getting in before you start seeing major down leakage?
mind sharing which brands guarantee that?
thanks!
@@OutdoorOtaku Hello, i've not tryed to wash on a washing machine such designed sleeping bags. There is a lot of people that advocate for hand washing but in my opinion that's not a proper wash, especially with the dirty conditions we put those items through, and down degrates from dirt a lot (not washing is actually detrimental to the down as opposed to what people say).
To be noticed that i was talking about a delicate wash but with a moderate spinning cycle (600-800 rpm).
The only manufacturers that i found that guaranteed a bag will FULLY sewn baffles were (i mailed the manufacturers) : Rab (an i can confirm by having washed and spinned a rab endurance 600 from 2012 that was dirty as hell and surely restored a lot of the loft), valandré, pajak, and a small workshop in france called triple zéro.
Also about the filling power this is a tricky subject that i could write an essay on but to say the least :
Temperature over 0°C are not punishing so that's why a lot of bags performs as advertised for most at that range of temperature. (funny thing is if u go on pajak website, the core 400 is EN rated at 0°C with 700P duck down and the pajak radical 4Z with the same amount of fill but with 900 CUIN idfl is rated EN at -1°C.
+ Any manufacturers claming having over 700 fp duck down, that's complete bullcrap, only very high quality goose down can reach the 800+.
Unfortunatly no real studies as to what the actual R value difference are between different quality of down but down of top quality can only be gathered on mature animals (2-3 years for goose), there is difference at molecular level.
I've recently bought a second hand triple zero bag filled with 700g 800+ EU fp (not idfl) goose down (the bag was made in 2016!), i've never owned a high quality bag before and i was amazed by the loft, the height of the footbox is atleast 25cm, it's really impressive. (could show you if you're interested)
To conclude i'd say that chinese bags are decently made but became WAY overpriced for the quality (it was a good deal years ago) i'd rather pay twice the price and having something that can sustain the long term maintenance needed to keep your down performing + actual good quality down. (note that the bag conception is important too and that a point that not a lot of people recognize since they always think that higher number are good, i'd rather have a 700 fp well made bag than a 850 fp badly designed)
Well that was a thorough answer, as you can see i could write a book on this matter, hope that peaked your interest.
@@rshacker95 Thanks for the detailed reply. I'd love to see your 2nd hand triple zero bag.
I agree , ideally it's best for the consumer as well as the environment to buy something that is made to last. Even if that means more costly.
If anyone can afford a better made bag/quilt, something 2nd hand, or made from a cottage company, then i would urge them to do so. however i still feel that having an affordable option (whether from china or any where else) is important for the community. It offers a low barrier of entry for those who may be just getting started / dont have a lot of funds.
Once that person realizes they like backpacking and their interest grows, im sure they will start to justify more expensive purchases (cottage companies, better quality gear, etc).
do u still like the sleeping pad? Could u please update the link?
Received it. The 183cm mummy version. I do like it very much. Feel well made. I have yet to try it out for the night but i think i will be happy with it. The major con that i have for it though,apart from lack of warranty and slightly smaller dimensions than listed(i knew this would be the case when making the purchase and am ok with it, it's not too bad) is that it lacks insulation in the head and foot end of the pad,as well as little bit around the sides. In the head end it's not too much and i guess you would use a pillow anyways. However in the foot end it is substantial. So if you really want to use it in the winter i would say go for the rectangular version.
I also wanted to ask how is the insulation in your pad? Is it that it lacks insulation all around,about 5cm into the pad? Because that's what i would assume for the rectangular. I guess that mummy style is perhaps more difficult to fit insulation into that shape.
I think most pads the insulation doesnt go all the way to the edge. This one may have a slightly larger gap, but i didnt find it noticeable, at least not on my rectangle pad.
For me, lack of insulation at the feet is no big deal. I can always wear socks or down booties. Then again, i have not done any really cold winter backpacking so take what i have to say with a grain of salt.
I'll give it a measure and let you know.
This is a really great review. You actually tried it out over a couple of nights and said about the non-existent warrantee. As far as I could see you missed nothing out.... apart from the noise. Was it crackly and noisy or was it not too bad?
Thank you!
not too bad. Def not as bad as a xlite. comparable to a tensor. maybe a tad noisier.
@@OutdoorOtaku Thanks for replying :) I'm a bit sensitive to noisy sleep mats so I think I'll have to give this one a miss. Still a great review :)
@@MrEvilWasp my pleasure, thanks for commenting! :)
i am too. i always bring ear plugs. however thats mostly due to outdoor noises.
what pad do you usually use?
@@OutdoorOtaku I've been using a Trekology ul140. I really like it's overall size, but it's a bit heavy for hiking plus there is no R rating so I'm looking around.
The Big Agnes Rapide Insulated wide long, is one I've been looking at. Have you tried one before? The newly released 2024 version is suppose to be even quieter than their last one.
i see, gotcha.
I've never used the BA rapide however i have a BA Q core deluxe that is similar. One of the most comfortable pads i have and very quiet.
I heard about the new version. i just googled it and it looks like they switched from primaloft insulation to mylar film. Im surprised they say the new one is quieter.
Typically, in my experience, pads that use down or synthetic insulation are more quiet then the ones that use mylar/reflective film.
If you have any store that stock pads i'd definitely recommend trying them.
have you slept on a pad with mylar/reflective film as insulation before? you may realize the noise is actually not that bad!
@@MrEvilWasp
Good review.look forward ta more....do ya do any hammock camping?
Thank you! will have some more coming soon. No hammock camping. Never tried however i'd be interested! any recommendations for good starting budget gear?
Do you think you could take this quilt down to 20 degrees Fahrenheit and be comfortable if I had an 4r value sleeping pad?
I don't think so. i think 4r for 20f is a bit low. I havent gone down to 20f before though, so ymmv.
you can maayybe get away with it if you had down booties, pants, jacket, and hood. or if you layer with another quilt/sleepingbag.
Have you done a long term review on the pad? I'm looking at getting one?
no i have not done any follow up, but thats a great idea. but still no issues with the pad. i havent tested it down to that temperature again though. I dont really do winter backpacking.
All good! I ended up getting the same pad, so when I go out next I'll tell you how it fares in AU winter conditions! I'm hoping it'll be good down to below freezing given 5.8.
@@andycjohnston Yes please keep me updated! Stay safe and have fun!
196cm? atta freakin huuuuge. You need a giant sleeping bag to house that thing; I have the 183cm version and its a problem
lol what do you mean house that thing? not like you're sticking the pad in the sleeping bag xD
im 6'1, so the 196 is much appreciated.
How was comfort compared to a Tensor? I was planning on getting the Tensor LW. But man, it's 260 euros now.
So i began considering this pad a bit more seriously. It'd be about 100 euros of money savings which is not a small amount.
Sorry for the delayed response.
I'd say on par with the tensor. The tensor is 0.3 inches thicker, however i haven't noticed the difference.
Once it gets cold again i can do a follow up video and compare the warmth to the tensor. that'll be interesting to see since the tensor is rated lower.
I've used this pad a few more times since the review and still no issues!
I sold my LW tensor. Still have a small for my wife. its a great pad but like you said its pricey!
@@OutdoorOtaku Np,thank you. I think I'll get it in the end. Most people have positive experiences,a few bad. But mostly good. Thanks 🙏
@@bimazivanovic4784 I think most common complaint is the sizing issue. i haven't heard of any construction/ quality issues, at least for now... If you do pick it up, please share your experience with the community so we can get more data :). Happy trails!
It's very much a 4 season sleeping pad
thanks for your input. what temps have you used it in? would love to hear some more real world feedback.
It easily matches if not better than the Sea to Summit Ether XT Extreme which is nearly twice the pack size and weight. I've been down to -5c with a reflective mat for more protection
i had the s2s xt extreme. comfy pad but by god that this is a bulky beast.
wow, that's impressive. thank you for the feedback!
@@markbailey15
Great review, thanks! Looks like a nice pad for the price. And could you please tell what kind of thermometer do you use on 6:50?
My pleasure, thank you! Considering the price, weight, warmth, and that its brand new, i think its one of the best options. That is the Thermodrop Thermometer.