Symbiote city comparison - Spider-Man: Web of Shadows vs Marvel's Spider-Man 2
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- čas přidán 16. 07. 2024
- Who loves Spider-Man surely loves Web of Shadows. The darkness of that game, the combat, the black suit, the characters, the open world, everything is still impressed in our heart. Marvel's Spider-Man 2 is here, bringing again that atmosphere with the power of the PS5 and the quality of Insomniac's games. Here is a comparison of the two games' free roaming. Hope you will enjoy!
00:00 Web of Shadows
08:56 Spider-Man 2
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Web of Shadows's atmosphere during symbiot apocalypse is so depressing and disturbing...love this!
It really is i was felt depressed when playing it even tho i love it
It basically becomes a zombie game from that point and I love it
@@sergiu-gabrielcristea6582it was supposed to be a marvels zombie game im pretty sure
There was a sequel planned as well with anti-venom, Carnage and venoms children
@@jjankrom4398Nuh uh
I love how in Web of Shadows when you save a group of people out of a building and into the Shield's vehicles, you can jump on top of the vehicles with the Shield soldiers driving out of the area, and when you turn around, you can actually see remaining symbiotes running on all fours pursuing you. Also, those forcefields throughout the city are great safe zones to plan out your next move, or if you see any symbiotes standing outside of the field, would always enjoy grabbing them with the black suit tendril into the forcefield and watching them get vaporized to deplete their numbers.
I have been doing this everytime I got the chance, good times when I needed the sidequest where you have to beat the symbiotes until they leave their hosts, which was little difficult because if you beat too much they will just dissapear, if you don't beat them hard enough, they will just despawn, best suit for this was red, or at least in my case. If you beat symbiotes until they "jump" fly a little Away from you there was like 70% that they will leave the host And you would have to kill the symbiont otherwise your work would be for nothing. Thats why it was So much better for me to actually Feel like I have accomplished something. In Spiderman 2 it's 100% and not satisfying for me, Cars Are still driving, civilians still going like nothing happened because whole city isnt covered And villains weren't symbiothic nor helpful like in WoS, you could summon Vulture, Electro, Black cat And maybe even Rhino, depends on your choices you made And which suit you wore the most. I was always Black suited
@@theclown2664 I always loved seeing the symbiots leave their host after getting beaten up. When you see that happen, you always get that spark of success and you want to do what you can to get that person out of there. I also do love it when symbiote reattaches itself to the host. In a way, it makes the game feel more realistic. Watching the symbiote crawl on the floor trying to get to the host, and in your mind you see this happing and thinking go go go stop that symbiote quick! Like you had the chance to save the person, but didn't react fast enough to stop it, making you motivated to prevent the next victim from becoming a symbiote again. Exactly, even the eerie silence was better in WoS where only a handful of human drivers are rolling through the city and getting attacked by a variety of symbiots. Oh absolutely. Going into the city whenever leaving the safe zone, the black suit was the go to suit for the majority of time using it's power against the symbiots.
@@SoulDew50 Exactly! I loved getting the people to the Safe zone especially in Stark Tower these huge fences and watching the White symbiotes dying all the time it had the depressing, dark energy that the world is ending, as you said only handful of human drivers were there driving away while symbiotes were pursuing him. When I saved the civilian I Always enjoyed making web parachutes So they can fly to the safety like in 90's series Spiderman the only Spiderman who was creating parachutes with his webs. Switching Suits with only one keyboard/button was something else I have never expected and what has been really great, I admit red suit spidey didnt have a very good dub but Black suited spidey was great! The choices and cutscenes changed if you were using Black suit or red suit + we have moonlight sonata at the start. I Feel like this spidey was the strongest ever in games and in movies, pulling 70 combo punches in few seconds was very op 😂
One of my favourite things to do in that game was beating a symbiote (s) until the host detaches, and then move the symbiote towards a shield agent or a kingpin agent, and watch them get infected and turn against you and the other shield agents/kingpint force
I also remember the red and red/black berserker symbiote had 2 symbiote separated from them instead of 1 just a random memory
The reason Web of Shadows nailed the horror elements and felt overall more “dark” was because it was originally intended as a Marvel Zombies game.
It was made from the ground-up to represent a zombie apocalypse and just used symbiotes to be less graphic and more Spider-Man focused.
shit I want a marvel zombies game now
Hell the white symbiotes in web of shadows even walked around like zombies too
Source?
spot on!
@chandllerburse737 Volitions Punisher game: 🙂
Web of Shadows dealt with the Symbiote invasion way more realistically.
S.H.I.E.L.D and several heroes and even some villains worked together with Spider-man to deal with it all.
But in the new Spider-Man 2, only Miles and Peter are dealing with it. You'd think that the Avengers or the fantastic 4 would at least show up to help.
I think there's no avengers on the game
The issue is that the symbiote invasion only lasts a few hours (it’s dusk during this segment and night during the final boss) so outside of teleportation most heroes wouldn’t be able to make it or make a significant difference.
@@Mercury-ok8ie There definitely is an avengers in this universe, Spider-Man mentions Thor in the first one. and and wong and dr. Strange Thanked miles in a note in one scene in Spider-Man 2. King pins tower turned to a fantastic four building in this one and the big avengers building in both games
@@maicoperez5416 huh cool
be real you just want then to show up. but tbh im glad they dont its take it out of spidermans game. plus theyre avengers they prolly dealing with other stuff plus spiderman and miles handle it in a day or two not long enough for it to reach avengers level
They could have done so much more with the symbiotes in sm2. It felt like venom was revealed and the game ended within the same hour.
Could be new abilities coming in dlc or new game plus they didn't it with miles and had Ben hacked sadly but we could be getting more we also getting carnage so just wait and see not only that there Spiderman 3 coming
Wasn’t the biggest fan of web of shadows for some reason but I can’t lie I like how the symbiote city looks more, I like the black webs going across each other from buildings but I like how the symbiote looks on the streets in Spider-Man 2
I also especially like the atmosphere in WoS. The city feels so hopeless and bleak with a haunting soundtrack and atmosphere. Like how buildings are on fire with landmarks like Empire State being overrun with giant symbiote hive blobs.
Web of shadows solos Spider-Man 2 btw dumb geek
@@someuniverseguy7062only combat and gameplay
Spiderman 2 has better graphics, story and characters
@@someuniverseguy7062Why so rude
@@someuniverseguy7062 don’t let the nostalgic blind you
Wos is good game , but it still has its flaws like bad voice acting . No way it can solo marvel sp 2
aside from a lack of any sort of police or government response, spiderman 2 has an insane vibe to it, it looks really incredible with how absolutely ravaged and empty the city becomes due to venom, really feels like you just stepped foot into the upside down
In Spiderman 2 there was a police response lorewise, but it was weak and insignificant.
There were police but they were powerless and most likely became symbiotes Peter and Miles saved.
That’s the problem it’s fucking Spider-Man not stranger things
@king_bumiii8978 and that's your problem. They're symbiotes, not fucking webbing
@@pakman0049Right. Tf is that guy talking about?😂
The big reason why WOS is more atmospheric and scary is because WOS is all about the symbiote. It showed us how messed up the city was at the start and then showed us the normal city. We then got to see New York slowly get more and more messed up as Venom got stronger as we the player knows that eventually the city will fall because the beginning of the game must happen. We see the heroes try and fail over and over.
While Spider-Man 2 is more of a Spider-Man story that happens to have symbiotes. The symbiote takes over the city to create big stakes just like how the city got hit by the Devil's Breath and Raft prisoners in the first one. We don't have the feeling that there's no way back because the Spider-Men are here and neither are influenced by the Symbiotes anymore. Every attempt to help fix the city succeeds it's a heroic tale with a bit of horror.
It's funny how two times Norman Osborn's botched cures for Harry have managed to destroy the city. Bet he's gonna do it a third time in Spider-Man 3.
He DID say something about the G-Formula...@@LordShrub
Zzzzz
It’s also because Spiderman 2 is a dumpster fire of a game
@@Seyanoo yes right thank you
I feel like the symbiote looks more symbiote-ish in WoS, in spiderman 2 it all looks like a bunch of plants and trees that grew into the buildings
Thats the point its more accurate to the comics
@gameexpert133 Oh shut the fuck up about that. That doesn't make it good! The comics are not without fault or some holy scripture. They can have bad ideas that shouldn't be used, or ideas that can be used poorly. It's writing like everything else.
How tf do you describe what a symbiote should look like with that, “symbiote-ish” is incredibly subjective 💀
you mfks just want to love something that is old so bad that you make the most insane excuses ever, it's ok bro ... let it go...
@@mrj1897 It's not subjective, it a reasonable conclusion to draw from all the establish cannon symbiotes we've seen.
The combos in WoS were really cool. Made you feel considerably stronger than in SM2.
Agreed, I liked how the symbiote suit had its own skill tree while in Spider-Man 2 you didn’t. The black suit wasn’t that different from the red suit apart from rage mode, it would’ve been better if you had the tentacles in combat like WOS
Diss agree never felt like you hit any thing in insomniac you could incorporate tentecals without having to imput code on the controller
@@Venomdunkingonspiderman_editz So what you are saying is skill issue, got it.
@@cirogarcia9951do you even have a ps5? Lmao, the symbiote suit literally has its own skill tree?
Love how much hate the new game gets, FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT PLAYED IT
Can’t agree symbiotic surge mode is so damn overpowered it makes you almost feel like venom in SM2
I think that SM2 executed the symbiote city look better, but WoS nails it in terms of atmosphere and just feels more apocalyptic and terrifying, I also loved how there were side missions that genuinely made the situation a lot more terrifying, like escorting armed civilians to an APC or protecting the gate that protected the only safehouse in the city, like, it genuinely felt like the world was ending... I also loved how scary the designs of the symbiote characters were, like, I've had nightmares of some of the concept art all the way into highschool. I do think SM2 should've made more structure variants though, because it's all just tentacles and I'd think adding webs and other structures could've gone a long way... Would've also been cool if they made the environment hostile by adding living structures similar to the pods in WoS
what ?! How does spider man 2 executed it better ?! they just add normal misions with a little bit different enemies (symbiotes) while web of shadows literally has a tons of diffferent enemy interactiosn between different claes of symbyotes and symbyotes power that also interact with the city and what is going on in game ?? . How does spider man 2 executed symyote city better ? it just look generic
@@danielcastaneda4975 I meant environment-wise and only that, my bad
@@danielcastaneda4975Wdym within the city? I don’t see half of the things you’re saying happening in game it just sounds made up
@@mrj1897 It's probably not made-up, but I can't really interpret what he's saying either. I mean, it looks like an 8 year old got ahold of the keyboard.
If you ask me though, I'd say the symbiote designs are scarier and more creative than SM2, the music and atmosphere does a better job of portraying an apocalyptic scene than SM2, there are more apocalypse-appropriate side missions than SM2, and it just has an edgier feeling all-around.
But I'll give it to SM2 that the setting was done better than WoS and I appreciate how you can actually interact with the symbiote environment.
Though, neither game really did the concept of a symbiote apocalypse justice if you ask me, but I'm glad SM2 put the concept into the mainstream's view so that more people can try their hand on it in the future... hopefully.
@@danielcastaneda4975in WoS the city doesn't look really devastated building wise, with only some bad looking black web here and there. It only mostly change the numbers and behavior of enemy as well as some NPC in a pinch
What they lacked upon release is replay missiond and hideouts for various factions
The hide outs for factions are Symbiote nests, sandman, and hunters.
@@frogglen6350 did you not read I said you can’t replay hideouts after completing them like in the first game
@@yumadshechooseme8286they might bring it back
@@Robbobgaminghopefully!!! I love taking people down in stealth mode ESPECIALLY with the new ability to double takedown from a zip line? Sheesh 😫
They're missing a lot of things just compared to their previous 2 games
If we compare it to all past spider man games
Damn...
Web of Shadows always felt amazing to me the combat the story the endings everything i unknowningly chose to save black cat first coz i like more than mj and then loose the symbiote powers and get a neutral ending which was actually a canon event, save everyone even if you are alone in the end.
That's nostalgia talking. Replay the game now, it's about 6 hours of bad voice acting, ugly visuals, and very boring combat
@@frogglen6350dude, the combat and game was actually good for some people, (like me) and it maybe bad for you, but Spider-Man web of shadows was good for its time.
@@decaturhealth7275
Its combat is definitely not as good as Devil May Cry 3 lol
You can ride enemies like skateboards
@@frogglen6350devil may cry 3 is goated
Web of Shadows symbiote invasion in comparison was much more horrific looking it had a certain horror element to it as well
because it was originally meant to be a marvel zombie game
Not only that but there was a build up to it. Civilians with hidden symbiotes, then the main villains, this city's apocalypse and then the heroes. It felt like everything was falling apart, unlike SM2 where it just happens for the last 2 hours.
@@thatboyakira4202cause it's not going to happen
Cap
@@sukumadehk what is not going to happen?
Web of Shadows felt more apocalyptic and it had that horror element to it. You could feel the tension and despair. and all over the map you can find shield agents fighting on the ground and blowing shit up which was really cool to me. And there was an option for a bad ending. SM2 is a great game but I wish they would’ve went for something different with the symbiotes. It also felt like they took inspiration from stranger things and Vecna with the whole hive mind And even some of the imagery was stranger things esque
Insomniacs SM2 is definitely not a 'great' game... its not even close to it unfortunately
I'm pretty sure they took inspiration from the comics not from stranger things lol
@@godzillazfriction lying is bad.
@@didllynutz go look at the scene where the symbiote infiltrates mile’s mind and tell me that doesn’t look like a scene from stranger things season 4 lol.
The Hive Mind is from the comics. Even the Venom movies mentions it.
I loved how in web of shadows when you fought people the buildings would get destroyed in the process of the fighting
I will say, having the symbiote suit change most of your basic moveset in Web of Shadows feels like a better implementation of the black suit. The small details such as Peter's posture, the way you throw enemies out of a web strike and even the fact you basically get rid of the web shooters as an attack altogether. Been having a blast replaying it recently, almost got 2000 of the tokens. Only 50 to go.
Awesome, I hope you enjoy getting the last of em, I certainly did!
also the way spiderman uses the enemy as a surf board 😂
@@chris_player2reminds me of the wild surf move Dante does in dmc3.
Pretty sure his posture is the same lol
@@coatrak1357 No his posture changes slightly in game when you switch suits. Black suit peter huntches over abit.
glad web of shadows is getting more love again. Another point towards web of shadows that i dont think anyone else has pointed out, is that the symbiote invasion feels even more apocalyptic due to the inclusion of other marvel heroes alongside SHIELD. It's not just a problem peter, miles, and mj can solve, but it requires the aid of heroes like wolverine, black widow and moon knight alongside other spider-man villans. This is not to say that the symbiote invasion in spider-man 2 is bad, but it certianly could've had more missions like those in web of shadows. WOS also explains why certain heores arent in new york, despire the global threat, unlike Spider-man 2 that omits other heroes entirely with no explanation
Ur right about that, I wished that the game had a way to explain where are the other Marvel heroes and SHIELD cuz it would be nice to know. Considering it's a full on alien invasion
the symbiote invasion is an avengers level threat
@@chris_player2not is easy of spidermens
@@emmanuelhernandez830this universe the heroes references maybe is other zone
Here is.
Got to play web of shadows the other day everyone was right it was awesome
For me still the best Spider-Man game ever!
Exactly
Definitely not my thing, but glad you enjoyed it!
@@TheItalianSpider-Guythe best in some aspects, but I think the new Spider-Man 2 is better in more aspects. Though web of shadows is a close second for me
@@ghostwalkergames7707of course comparing a 2008 game to a 2023 game it will be more awesome
If i say what's better in WOS was Symbiote was much more explored in the city like it connected with the city and spiderman villains and but it lacks emotion in storyline and Technology that the Marvel Spiderman has
WoS will always be in my heart
I’m so glad other people noticed this! When I got up to this part with my partner I went total fanboy mode and got to explain Web of Shadows to them!!!
Web of shadows was lit especially since you could call on allies too help fight at anytime
And Insomniacs games doesn't even have other superheroes in it
And the homies you have are just random at street crimes
Why can you join them but not the other way around
Like you interrupt a crime and then Miles will join you
WOS is like the Arkham City of Spider-Man. The pacing, dark atmosphere, and storyline is really good.
In that case, Arkham City is Batman's equivalent to Web of Shadows in a way since that came out 3 years later. Still really good comparison though.
Story is pretty bad
Voice acting is horrible
Plot is non existent
The gameplay is the only redeeming factor
@@ItzApotato5907 bait is pretty bad
@@cryptiik5700loved WOS but it is undeniable the voice acting and repetitive missions are bad
@@okayokayfr ohhh my bad i'm smooth brain i thought you were talking about spiderman 2, i'm retarded
I miss web of shadows. It is trully an amazing game full of cool ideas and atmosphere.
I do really dig the more webby design of the symbiotic corruption in web of shadows. Though I do like that Spider-man 2's has a similar look to the mold from the recent resident evil games. It kinda comes full circle since the mold enemies in 7 look like venom!
Man the old Web of Shadows gameplay was so much fun
Fr the combat was crazy good
One feature I wish they brought over from web of shadows was switching your suit in real time. Or at least having a red and a black suit you could switch between at the push of a button. Also wish you could change the black suit powers back to black in post game.
I feel like something between these two would be perfection, like SM2 has more of the symbiote stuff and even the air is tinted but it doesn't look gloopy enough. WOS is more gloopy, even if there's less of the actual stuff covering the buildings compared to SM2, and the city itself seems less populated aside from shit trying to kill you which gives it a much spookier vibe to it. One would hope that in the unlikely event that Web of Shadows gets a remaster that they take *some* of the imagery from Spider-Man 2 and apply it to their symbiote city and maybe we'll have that perfect combo. Either that or they just port it to modern PCs and fans mod the fuck out of it themselves.
I absolutely love this idea
beeeen waiting for someone to start making the comparisons to past games 👌💯
You can also find on my channel the one between Venom from Ultimate Spider-Man and Marvel's Spider-Man 2!
I like the design of the web of shadows symbiote city because they look like big symbiote tendrils that have latched onto the architecture but spider-man 2's just overall chaos is better, the whole streets are covered in goo and the tendrils are literally so high up the buildings
I loved how Spider-Man 2 basically turns into devil may cry towards the end
It makes you think Miles Nero and Viola would make a hell of a trio:
*Parent(s) died
*Total badass in their own right
*Takes up the torch and becomes the new big (wo)man on campus after the OG steps down in the end of the game
Basically yes
Once again proving why web of shadows is the better game
no, stop living under a rock web of shadows is good, but everyone considers insomniac and more spiderman 2 as the best game of the character
@@ryker4547Best game of the character? WOS Peter wasnt nerf for the sake of getting replaced dude
@@TheEmperorRaidougetting replaced? Huh?
@@CaptainEffortYeah apparently u haven’t noticed it if u watched or played the actual game. the story and dialogue is meant to set up Peter’s replacement which is Miles it’s so obvious if u pay attention there are CZcamsrs right now breaking the news to everyone no more Peter Parker until SM3 because otherwise that future game that will come out will be a massive flop.
@@SonGoku100YearsLater right…
As much as I loved Web of Shadows, the biggest problem the game's story had was that it only happened because all the A-list heroes were away and unable to help. As soon as, say, Thor was available, it was going to get resolved regardless. Even the bad end where Peter takes over as the big bad symbiote daddy was pretty much just squatting in Iron Man's lawn.
I don’t know why people praise spider man 2 when u literally only get 5 (4at a time) symbiote attacks everything else is just animation from a jump or super dash or part/finisher there’s no actual moves or combat moves that differ and change up the gameplay I loved the game when it first came out but as the days go by my disappointment from THE POTENTIAL that could’ve been touched increases
I feel what you mean bro, for all the hype it's getting I can only think about what's missing or what could've been done better. Still grateful for it but just a itching sensation for greatness
I've watch a whole playthrough of SM2. The combat looks fun, just like SM1 but ...I think SM1 is the superior game.
I did like the Miles/Peter Dynamic though, that felt really solid.
Nothing will top Web of Shadows for awhile. The games' willingness to pull characters from other comic series was great(I loved that about the old Spider-Man games from the Nintendo64 era too).
Web of shadows doesn’t get enough love
sadly not
@@chris_player2 It does, you just dont know it.
5:46 Holy shit
the combat and swinging off the ground part is just AMAZING in web of shadows. Such a classic
Honestly there are a few things that game does better that spiderman 2. Its kind of hard to judge and im pretty happy with both
the story and how it's paced like a comic book as well as proper progression that the story shifts into stages and its environment...
the writing how the symbiote works compared to Insomniac who completely didn't understand the concept of the symbiote overall...
the tone/atmosphere blows Insomniacs SM2 in everything where its inconsistent for the sake of it being inconsistent because the game wanted to push certain elements into the story and the world around it as contrived as possible because of its underwhelming story beats like Peter and Harry (until the agent venom part where its the only well done part of the story), the underutilisation of Kraven and the sinister Six that Kraven and Peter and Miles were supposed to stop but almost all of them died off-screen...
the issue with Kraven is him actually using Tech stuff in order to defeat his opponents... that literally goes everything he stands for, i wouldve appreciated it if Insomniac utilised this desperate aspect of Kraven using tech for his purpose especially SPOILERS...
his cancer that took an affect on him... but then why is he THIS STRONG... it doesn't make sense... what i feel is that Insomniac shouldve just made Kraven and his group of hunters as 100% primal.. they rely on their primal technology than actual technology that Insomniac for their art direction put out to Spider-Man himself and the villains as well as the environments... this wouldve added a layer to Kraven and he wouldve been made far more intimidating but just remove the epic and overdramatic soundtrack for Kraven since it reminds me of inFAMOUS 2s main villain theme where its just generically bad...
when Kraven kills Scorpion, make it so that he despises what Scorpion stands for and how he doesn't fully know or validate 'the fight' - his pathetic poison sting of his technological tail is where Kraven would start his monologue of how the Tech devalues you as a being...
this wouldve worked in favour of the overall story of Kraven because of the 'SYMBIOTE' since its all organic and primal in an otherworldly sense...
now it's just that Kraven wants to die by someone stronger than him although i thought it was to fight someone as strong or stronger than him all for the thrill of the hunt but i don't know anymore because it's so contrived... it's all over the place... the cancer then his motivations of the hunt not being clear as well as shifting in meaning, making Kraven 100% primal wouldve worked better for thr character of Kraven in Insomniac... just wasted potential
only the open world activities for the sake of open world activities are arguably better but WoS has depth in its utilisation of the activities that contribute towards the main narrative.... the activities which is just fighting enemies is still complex because of its dynamic world... I'll give you one example that WoS does better than something like the crime activities from Insomniacs spiderman (2)...
Web of Shadows, a PS3 2008 game with a short development cycle of only 17 months still managed to have the gang war act as part of the games 1st story act to appear in the city because there's a gang war and they'll do what's appropriate to them as well as what's appropriate for the innocent ppl that are involved in the gang war...
the criminals would LITERALLY try and hurt, kill random innocent ppl in which those around the gang members would run away, the POLICE CAN LITERALLY COME IN WITH THEIR CARS TO STOP THEM... then there are whole battles between the police and various of the 2 opposing sides of the gangs fighting each other as well as innocent ppl getting in the way in which YOU AS SPIDERMAN have to stop them...
@godzillazfriction preach dude 💯
Spiderman 2 is mid
@@Codyslx czcams.com/video/_GZJjYpo4wo/video.htmlsi=ljtOOYZurGatbd_6 if video game hot takes were illegal
the helicarrier fight was fire but i love that ghoulish ambience that's in the web of shadows background.
I loved that insomniac went this directions seeing how web of shadow sequel was cancelled
I like the way the symbiote infested city looked in Spider-man 2. Seems like it took some inspiration from how the symbiote works in the Venom movies. But Web of Shadows has the apocalyptic look, helps that the whole game is building up to it rather than the few hours in Spider-man 2.
Maybe Insomniac will go crazy on the symbiote apocalypse if they're bringing in Knull. The symbiote the Spider-men fought and the meteor containining them did bear his mark.
Knull? Hated that loser.
Tunbghuio.
Web of Shadows did the symbiote invasion so much better. Because it was the main focus of the story, and they actually built around it. SM2 wastes way too much time on Kraven, then they cram the symbiote storyline at the end. All of a sudden New York is getting apocalyptic but it feels rushed and out of nowhere. They handled how the black suit effects Peter pretty well, but everything outside of that was so rushed. Then before you know it, boom. A solution comes up and the game is over before you can even process whats going on.
For that to have happened you would’ve had to skip cutscenes
Gowr and spiderman 2 both rush the endings to much, I think it's starting to become a Sony staple
@@mrj1897 Skip cutscenes? Wtf are you even on about? The game literally rushed through Venom storyline and crammed 30 years of stories into 30% towards the end of the game. Even Venom as a character barely has any deep hatred towards Peter. All Venom cared about was to "cure the world". There's hardly any personal vendetta. Even the symbiote invasion itself felt like a joke for how quick it was.
@@zeroskaterz92 you’re proving my point. They didn’t cram 30 years of venom storytelling, they took an interpretation of the character and ran with it. Venom isn’t metaphorically human like us in this game, it’s an alien that fulfills the desire of the host. Peter needed to feel powerless to help and save people, so the symbiote gave into that. Harry wanted to cure the world, so venom offered to infect the city with the symbiote in order to do so.
Venom is the consequence that comes with Peter’s downfall, while it wasn’t controlling him, it did bring out his worst side because of the power it gave him.
Because of Peter’s neglect of Harry, Harry as a result got fucked up mentally as he was rotting away whilst Peter was getting praise from his dad, on top of Peter letting Harry die just so he can keep the power trip.
@@mrj1897 Venom has always been an alien. It was never fulfill the desire of its host. It amplifies the host emotions and took over the body.
They didn't took an interpretation, they literally butchered it. They don't understand the character.
The fact that Venom has no deep personal vendetta against Peter was already a character assassination.
For the symbiote to just suddenly abide Harry's desire to cure the world was the most smoothbrain writing on their part that completely against the point of why it's called Venom in the first place.
They even had the audacity to introduced Anti-Venom and completely failed to understand the nature of its existence.
It sounds like you don't know what you're talking about and certainly have no idea of how the symbiote works either. Kinda obvious that you never read comics either.
Man, I remember countless late nights playing Web of Shadows over and over again. Spidey fans that haven’t played it are seriously missing out
Web of shadows was so ahead of its time. If it had Spider-Man 2 graphics it would win GOTY easily.
I literally see this comment under every old game. Web of Shadows was never ahead lf its time. Atheist game literally lacks the detail of gta san andreas and metal gear solid 2. awesome of Shadows lacks the great story that shadow of the colossus or Final Fantasy 6 had.
super Hero games were mid until Arkham Asylum. 😅
@@frogglen6350disabled mindset you got
@@frogglen6350 and yet spiderman 2 lacks many gameeplay features WoS has. and still you wouldnt mind giving it GOTY
@@frogglen6350web of shadows def was ahead of its time currently still wos has better swinging better gameplay and combos
@@RageArtEnthusiast and even compared to OG SM2 and Ultimate spider man
I think Insomniac has a vision to recreate the web of shadows storyline, would be pretty cool if we get to fight symbiote Wolverine!
They weren’t inspired by WOS I find it funny ngl but back to topic, they were inspired by one of nulls avengers comics
@@Sky-no.1it was inspired by both actually the symbiote design and venom's wings is definitely a call back to king in black story but it's also one too web of shadows as well with venom being the cause of new York being overwhelmed with symbiotes and being the final boss also web of shadows came out way before the king in black story came out around recently years
@@ishmaelpierson7681 Ik I was just sayin bro that they took inspiration from kings in black
@@Sky-no.1 The intro theme from Web of Shadows is being played on a piano in Spider Man 2, WoS was the inspiration.
@@Cri_Jackal it wasn’t Entirely it was somewhat. Most of the inspiration came from the kings in black comic where bull takes over
Insomniac should have included vertical wall combat like WOS.. Spiderman 2 is a good game for sure.. but it really lacks innovation. just those webwings , a few swing and combat animations added. Not as impactfull as the first game.
That's the problem with all modern video games they focus FAR too much on graphics and cutscenes and not enough on gameplay mechanics
@@EyeBeZombiebecause yall complain when graphics aren't up to date
@@EyeBeZombieyeah like remember when people are crying about sm2 has a ps3 graphics when the first trailer is released? lol. People's standards nowadays are unrealistic.
@@erronmoraleswho tf complained that it was 'unrealistic' it was just that the water looked sh1t... both of you guys are so one-noted in regards to any f3cking criticism and nitpicks towards Insomniacs SM2 and you shills will try to disregard that persons PoV towards the game so you can keep on validating yourselfs to believing that the game is perfect or not accepting other ppls perspective towards the game because your baised hype towards the game made you fell in love with the game and you hold that perception towards the very end of the game and when someone doesn't have that and isn't delusional and has an actual 'outlook' on things to discuss then all of you Hive-Minded shills lose their F3CKING minds.... gtfo
@@EyeBeZombiedon't even acknowledge these 2 r31ards below you... i can because I've endured so much brainrot that im practically immune
YES! FINALLY SOMEBODY MADE THIS VIDEO !!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I'd love to see a side-by-side of Spider-Man 2 and Shatttered Dimensions' black suit gameplay, seeing how each portrays the suits abilities.
Work in progress 😉
I wished Spiderman web of shadows gets a remaster but highly unlikely
XD Spider-Man 2 is basically a remaster and a remake of web of shadows
But don't get it twisted: both games are fucking awesome
Brooo spiderman 2 is basically a WOS remake 😂😂
@@eriksanchez1721 the combat not the same nor does it offer any depth compared to WOS. Still good tho.
Never happening if they do that then they will have to make all their old games to make it fair and they definitely wouldn't do that even if we payed them 💀💀
@@leonradics618cap. Wos combat is way different and better.
Nice video ❤
Thanks 🙏🏻
Fun fact I only just found out while playing the game: in WOS, if you swing and go through the symbiote goo attached between buildings, it makes a strange noise
Web of Shadows is one of the best Games I’ve played in my childhood. Others are Wolverine, Hulk, and GTA. Now in 2023, Spider-Man 2 on PS5 is like bringing back good old memories. Sucks that OG face was replaced, tho
SM2 is just ‘Miles’ ahead of WOS in my opinion. The symbiote sections are just better in every way, not to mention the new iterations have people continuously conversing with one another that feels more genuine. The only thing I want from WOS is that sliding/skating on the enemy mechanic. Damn, reminds me of Prototype and Infamous series.
It would be sad if it wasn't, wos is a 10 year old gake, yet old sm2 has the inferior combat system.
I really wonder how Wolverine and maybe Xmen will fit into the Insomniac Universe, How will they justify them not taking action during Devil's Breath and THE MASSIVE SYMBIOTE INVASION?
I also wonder if we will see the avengers. We have the tower and Peter confirms they exist but feels weird they're not here in neither of the three games.
Also the lack of presence of them in the city, No other character mentions them and Aside of the Damage Control building, which in the comics its funded by Tony Stark theres nothing more
Evvery Marvel game before that did it better
I hate how not even some of the street heroes are appearing in Insomniacs games
Nothing new, that kinda thing also happens in the comics, like when the X-Men mostly stayed out of Civil War
They probably helped, we just didn't find them, the city is quite big so while we were in one part of it, the other heroes were in another.
@@Pointman11111In Web of Shadows Peter did interact with other heroes and did try to reach Reed Richards and Tony Stark to help him find a solution to the Symbiotes. Moon Knight, Luke Cage and Wolverine, each with their own unique moves and summonable in fights if your meter was full. They would even help out on the Helicarrier in the final mission. They would also often be thrown off never to return lol.
@@Theendman42 i played WoS
One reason why i liked it where the other Marvel heroes
Same in neversofts Spider man
Volitions Punisher
Ultimate spider man
While Eidos' Gotg didn't have any heroes like Captain marvel the references where insane snd the fin fang foom fight
Good job Eidos
sorry insomniac. the goat remains undefeated
Sorry Web of Shadows but looks like you're defeated by a company that way better then Activision which is Insomniac
web of shadows is my all time favorite spider-man game. so SM2 drawing from it was amazing for me.
Although in Spiderman 2 it obviously looks much better in my opinion I feel that in Web of Shadows's the depressive atmosphere is felt much more and it really gives you the feeling of loneliness unlike the other
Black Widow was in Web of Shadows? It’s been that long that I don’t remember that?
She was!
and wolverine, and moon knight , so on
And Luke Cage
@@Hellyeahray21nah thats black car
They took all the goods pro's from every spiderman game and put it into one single package which is awesome!
More or less.
One idea I saw in the concept art for Web of Shadows was that apparently the tendrils which stretched across the streets and were attached to buildings were supposed to be built up of dead symbiote-infected civilians who would desperately try crawling and struggling their way out. The game was supposed to be *quite* dark…
Spiderman 2 was like all the games put into one.
Cap it was nothing like shattered dimensions 😉😉😆💀❤️
@@stepsis8437well, you had the Mysterio fights.
@@Hellyeahray21 I know I was just kidding especially every suit from that game is in Spiderman 2 💀
Stealth is still kinda ass why can't Spidey KO two MFs ar once except when he's on a web line lmao
TASM let you KO two guys when being on the ceiling
Insomniacs SM2 rips off iterations from previous spiderman games/works and making it bad...
WoS is an example of that... the whole reason why it doesn't work is because the whole point of a symbiote is for the symbiote to bond with a host like Eddie for example and 'amplify' the host to what's already inside the host... it could be ANYTHING from Eddie's repressed negative thoughts or him loving his girlfriend...
the symbiote becomes one with the host but it doesn't 'control' the host and changes its motivations that doesn't align with the host... and i cant believe that Insomniac just fcked it up like that...
they rip off previous spiderman works and iterations but make them worse and generic like how the symbiote is written in Insomniacs SM2... but there's also contrived parts where supposedly the host is the one that is in control even though none are actually in control...
the symbiote doesn't change you as a person like what happens to Peter in the game and even then, he still is doing good in his intentions while in the symbiote form and that would make sense or better if the symbiote just amplified on what's already there but no...
instead Insomniacs wrote off the symbiote as how it can control and change Peter any time even though there's an obvious bond that the symbiote has like how the symbiote chose an almost dead corpse of Peter and just left Harry but Insomniac just didn't understand it...
its either they wanted to do their own 'original' iteration of the symbiote which would explain why the symbiote isn't weak to fire (which i doubt that was the reason) or they just didn't understand it because some ppl believe that the symbiote changes you and controls when that's not the case...
sure you can make the argument of the WoS Symbiote Invasion where everyone just want to kill and spread the symbiote Invasion but you can make the case of the symbiote amplifying humanitys repressed negative thoughts like how Garth Ennis wrote 'The Crossed' where there was a virus where it exposed EVERYONES repressed negative thoughts or you can make the case that WoS Venom aka Eddie and the Symbiote are one and the same because the symbiote actually amplified Eddie and both Eddie and Peter have history with one another which is proven at the beginning of the game that Eddie says ''you dare to take the other from me, I will take the girl from you.'' which probably establishes since the 616 events are canon to WoS Spidey, Peter did indeed go out with Eddies girlfriend who i forgot her name but that's what Venom/Eddie is referencing towards to...
but anyways this is what lead to Venom creating the Symbiote Invasion because in the trailers of WoS, Spidey does also blame himself for making this mess which takes a toll on him in the story if you don't FULLY go in a dark path since WoS doesn't prioritise an actual Good vs Evil morality system at a surface level since its all up to YOU how you want to play and be as Spider-Man since the Symbiote on Peter still prioritises what the symbiote actually is and doesn't change or control Peter... you can be Good but still utilise the symbiote suit to your advantage against the Symbiote Invasion and Spidey already has experience with the symbiote because he wore it before the games events which was said by Wolverine in his boss fight...
now to get to my actual case, since the symbiote on Peter just amplifies him and you can choose how you want your Spider-Man to play and feel as within the narrative, but you'll notice that not every symbiote on ppl get the same effect as Peter even though the symbiote did get on Peter at the beginning of the game... there's an actual explanation in the comics to how the symbiote works...
the symbiote can prioritise its own shared symbiote like how the Symbiote Invasion is apart of Venom/Eddie and so everyone that gets the symbiote on them gets that part of Venom/Eddie whereas Peter, got the 'offspring' of the symbiote from Venom where it shares it's own state of mind which is what happened when the offspring of Venom wanted to get back to Peter...
I miss web of shadows so much
Same.
Web of shadows is still one of the top 3 Spiderman games and the best with symbiote play
wish they added enemy zipping in Spider-Man 2 where you’d zip to 3 enemies quickly with moderate damage then finish off with a XO finisher
Man the new one just makes me reeeeeeally wish we could get a new Prototype game cause it gives me similar vibes to the red zone in Prototype 2 (probably helps both are set in New York)
if Insomniacs SM2 reminds you of [PROTOTYPE] then your perception is through the earths core
@@godzillazfriction I don’t think it’s that far fetched to see the design of the symbiote covered city as similar to the city in prototype 2
@@shokotwokawa9695 i mean sure and the addition to that... the ending where all the symbiotes get wiped out is very reminiscent compared to P2s ending where Heller consumes Mercer and wipes out every infected... also fun fact: Yuri did voice a blackwatch or a military soldier in [PROTOTYPE] 1s web of intrigue
I really hope we get on os5 next is Maximum carnage but the comic story line king in black and have KNULL and you can’t forget wolverine!
We have Spidey, we have Venom, we'll have Wolverine and we'll have Carnage. Insomniac is cooking!
@@TheItalianSpider-Guy YES! It’s leading to KNULL!
@@fraticelli510Knull… that name still makes me laugh. Nobody liked that guy or any modern rectons.
@@Dave-gk6si yeah that Donnie cates run was dope! That’s why the symbiote in spider man 2 got the swirl in the face
it's cute when fans get so excited that they fully abandon grammar
Web of shadows legit looks like an apocalyptic virus. The goo pulsating and developing giant pimples on certain buildings is just unsettling. The new game just looks like overgrown spikey vines that fail to disturb me. Web of shadows infection actually looks like ill catch something if i go outside or touch that disgusting slime
Web of Shadows 🤝 Prototype 1+2
I’m sad they didn’t bring the ability to turn black back n forth. It was a brilliant mechanic and it would’ve been so cool to act as normal spidey with whatever outfit and then turn into symbiote during a fight or as you jump off the building like how i used to do in shadows lol
I really like the combat of web of shadows
It's the one thing I think it has over Spider-Man 2 personally.
this combat looks insane i wish i got to do that when i played sm2
Yeah the black symbiote suit in SM2 feels more like a skin with some cool abilities rather than a new suit with it's own combat style etc. in WOS the black suit powers more in depth the combat felt more like Dmc... Hell even the posture of the black suit was different.
@@valveezy6672combat is repetitive bro I just replayed the game last weak and it doesn't feel as good as spiderman 2
@@ElijahTaylor-ie5muTo each thier own, perhaps they just like using enemies as a skateboard.
@@theultimatefusion7265 yeah but it's literally y, b, b, or y again most of the time, msms there is more the game forces you to do, and I hate when spidey has glowing fist while fighting
Man I feel like the modern version really lacks atmosphere and I think it's mostly down to the music and the dialogue. I don't understand why insomniac decided on keeping the general hero-theme music for this section. Having say a solo piano track for this section of the game or something purely electronic would have made the situation feel so much more dire imo.
it does have its own theme that sounds more dire than the original themes that play during the first act and post game.
it has the leitmotif of peter or miles depending on who you play as in there, mixed in with the synthetic, alien like drones associated with insomniacs venom and the black suit.
Another moron nostalgia masturbator
@darker2920 tbf your comparing a game that has a symbiote pandemic for the entire game vs a final act on spider man 2 kinda unfair comparison
@@darker2920 or maybe the better lesson is that WOS was never truly a spider man game. It was og a zombie game transformed into a spiderman game. Plus the fact the game can juggle all these plotlines and still be a goat is just truly astonishing. So yes again your comparing a game with an entire plot dedicated to a symbiote invasion vs a game with a better pacing story and overall gameplay. KEK
@gameexpert133 bro what? Literally Spider-Man 2 is basically trying to be like WOS. Stop defending a game that did a terrible job at Story pacing 🤡
Does anyone know if the transition for the symbiote costume in the free game is the same as in web of shadow? I got curious
10:33
"Whered those symbiotes come from?"
Gee, I wonder spiderman
1:20 THIS! this right here is the reason why WOS is the best spiderman game cannot tell you how fucking satisfying it is body surfing symbiotes off of or up and down skyscrapers plus you can also do it to bosses which makes you feel like bully maguire it's too fucking badass
There's no way you just used that one outdated detail to call a game the "best". But you're entitled to opinion
In Marvel's Spider-Man 2 honestly they wasted it. I wish the focus was Symbiotes instead of Kraven. Don't get me wrong, Kraven was amazing. One of the best villains I've ever seen in Spider-Man games. But when you tease about this whole Symbiote and Black suit since the first ever game then people's expectations gets way too big. That's why I was also kind of disappointed. But still, game was overall okay.
but still the story of 2 and the venom of the game are incredible, it was not disappointing either since the symbiote is in a large part of the game, not just the third act
Heh look at the screen tearing and rendering issues we used to just deal with back then, so cool to see how far tech has come.
WOS was one of my favs back in '08. Great game.
The symbiote city in Spider man 2 feels so rushed, it would be so cool if they used the symbiote city to do something like Batman Arkham with the gangs taking over the city
Thats literally what happens in the symbiote city though, the streets are filled with symbiote monsters and cult members
How does it feel rushed?
@@soggywater8The Symbiote Invasion was forced into the plot and crammed into the third act.
@@spider-man500 Don’t mind him, he’s desperate.
@@radosvukoicic6794 You replied to the wrong person.
11:47 I thought we would be the symbiotes' worst nightmare when the Anti Venom feature came, but it felt more like it was nothing more than a few new animations.
im pretty sure it just got ONE new power and that is the ball that you throw... i dont even remember the original power that was replaced with the black symbiote
@@godzillazfrictionnot one,two.
And all symbiote abilities that was before that now works as anti-Venom
I know yall are automatically gonna say wos is better cause its old but the city undoubtedly is better in Spider man 2 cause
Its not about who did it first it's about who did it RIGHT
Spider Man 2 gave me Web of Shadows vibes
It's impressive how a game that was made in 8 months ( web fo shadows) . In a ps3 that is 1000x times less powerful than a ps5 still has a better atmosphere than insomiac 5 year of deveploment spider man 2 that even had a prequel to worked on before. Spider man 2 symbyot city just look rushed ( even when it's the contrary and web of shadows was the one rushed) , and lazy . While web of shadows looks stylish as fuck it's incredible
Web of Shadows, for me, will always be the best experience for any Spiderman fan.
I do like the activity in the city in Spider-Man 2 during the Symbiote invasion. One of my gripes about Web of Shadows was that, outside of the Symbiotes, the open world felt dead, with nothing to do.
I like how in web of shadows, the symbiote tendrils look like webs
Biggest problem with the new game is how does no one else care that the city was taken over, like no Avengers, f4, anyone? Shield or military? Nope, also civilians still walk and drive around fhe the other parts of the map unbothered, feels extremely lazy from insomniac like they just wanted to wrao the end of the game up fast
do not exaggerate
@@darker2920 true but at least there were other heros in the city in sm2 they're just absent
@@darker2920the entirety of Shield was present in the game..
Only thing i hated about SM2 was the story , the whole venom storyline in there felt so rushed
i didnt play this one but watched a stream and yeah some parts were lame
bike riding with Harry, cleaning your house , playing as Miles' love interest
I was waiting for the symbiote infestation and it does feel rushed
@@chris_player2 yep and so many of the fanboys will blindly defend it saying it’s perfect with no flaw. the game fell short in too many aspects
where can i buy the web of shadows spiderman?? i cant find it
Reminds me of the infected city in Prototype 2
the city itself looks waaay cooler in sm2 , though that could be that wos is limited by tech
?
??? Buddy, web of shadows came out in 2008. Of course the tech had limitations
@@HELS999😂
how tf does the city look 'waaay' cooler in Insomniacs SM2.... it looks like a generic version of New York... WoS on the other hand brings that grit into New York and reminds me of how Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 1 presented New York... not to mention the art direction that WoS went for which is one of the best within the Spider-Man games
@@godzillazfriction 😐
@@HELS999 😐
You can't compare these games I'm sorry, SM2 is miles ahead of any superhero game to date
not really. WOS, Batman Arkham City, and Asylum solos this game 😮💨
@@TheEmperorRaidouDisagree. I think it's actually better than all of those
I like it they give venom a porpose, cuz the original idea is just: i hate you, vengeaaance!
Now he want something, he have a goal.
Bringing the web of shadows back with this motivation is so good.
its almost has similar atmosphere to Prototype series
Web of shadows nailed it. The symbiote city in spiderman 2 felt weak in comparison. They basically only dedicate a few missions to it whereas web of shadows dedicates the entire third act to the symbiote city.
The latest one feels like a loving homage to Web of Shadows at least
Unfortunately since venom enters the story only so late into the story it doesn’t really make sense to fully flesh out all the aspects of the symbiote city so it’s more of a nod to WOB than actually a replacement
Other than that there are tons of callbacks to different symbiote storylines like knull, carnage, anti-venom and more obscure symbiotes like scream get a cameo so as an enjoyer of venoms comics im surprised how much they managed to fit in in such a short period
@@thugkermit9999honestly it did felt rushed in a way
It's no doubt that Marvel's Spider-Man 2 took inspiration from Web of Shadows
Wow no one thought of that
I hope the weather and day system is way more robust allowing us to set it to symbiote city.
Finally someone who gets it!
Web of Shadows handled it way better, imo
Insomniac did it better
@@Shahriyararin63 have you ever played web of shadows?
@@wolfofthegate7181 yeah. And nothing about Web of Shadows got right that Insomniac didn't. Insomniac clears Web of Shadows
@@Shahriyararin63 Insomniac just did a "Web of Shadows at Home" edition
@@wolfofthegate7181 well still a good take too
how the hell does this gameplay look cooler/funner than spiderman 2 lol I need to try this game
"Funner"
You're probably 13 lmao
@@KDA21What's wrong with being 13?
@@JamesslashTryhe never experienced how good this game was back then
It’s dogshit. Sm2 shits all over it
And yet Spiderman 2 is more fun, there's a reason why it's considered the best Spiderman game.
If this spiderman was in marvel spiderman 2 during the invasion it would have been over so quickly
Wth are you saying? How did you get that conclusion?
@@zetapro2281 the fact that Peter mspiderman 2 weak as hell compared to wos peter
@@Hisokablack29fr 😂
Symbiote electro vulture kicked ass!