JEV's RANT on AIM ASSIST is PERFECT!
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As someone who switched to M&KB 4 months ago (don't play cod anymore) I 100% agree. Mouse and key is so much more fun and the skill expression with it can be so high.
This is my first cod on kbam. Started playing valorant last summer and decided I’m just going to stick to kbam. I was a 1.8 on controller I’m a 1.34 on kbam but I’m having fun relearning how to play cod and how to change my play style
I think COD is the only game that can be argued to an extent in terms of controller vs. KBAM. I think controller is just the better option in terms of warzone and cod just because close range gunfights are extremely difficult to win on a consistent basis. If you miss one single bullet in a close range gunfight on KBAM, you’re gonna lose to a good controller player. But I do agree that KBAM is more fun
@@TheTater_change your classes, use less optics, don’t worry as much about recoil and substitute it for range since the aim assist reaches very far now a days, makes gunfights easier for me to prioritize range over horizontal or vertical recoil, just look for overall “recoil control” on attachments, usually there’s quite a few options that come with extra range, I’ve only started on KBM for call of duty in 2019. I didn’t play the new MW2. But I am on MW3. I enjoy it for the most part, but honestly I’m getting tired of the morons that just sit in their spawns mounted on shit, but it is what it is, most people don’t know how to play the game, so they hide. As a KBM guy, I find smoke grenades the easiest shit to use, also try out the HoloTherm on the snipers, you can see the enemies outlines, but they cannot see your glare at all since it’s a holosight.
Definitely. It helps a lot to play something like CS or even PUBG. Then go back to Warzone. It's hilarious how much easier it is.
I switched on mw2019 like a year in and did pretty good, started on gunfight and playing shipment helped a lot with my accuracy. I'd consider myself pretty good
Jev and Marksman the only ones i listen to.
Same here
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Marksman is the Goat Jev he is idiot I don't like him
Facts
oh no 🤣
The response to the aim assist nerf on The Finals speaks volumes lol
Yeah like their player count decreased after the update? Yeah
M&k feels awesome in the finals.
@tropwen56 because it's a lot easier to be better in that game with m&k, if I see another M&K light invisible sniper, I'm gonna feckin scream.
Wait what happened in the finals? I’ve only used kbnm in that game, never even tried it w roller, barely play the game and no idea why tbh, I love the game
@@FaZePlaysGames they massively nerfed AA. Its now one of if not the lowest AA game when it comes to big titles.
Easiest solution is an option for input based matchmaking. Just give mouse and keyboard players something similar to crossplay for console. They enable it, they get it in mouse and keyboard lobbies.
Unfortunately this never works. The player base gets divided and kills queue times.
let me disable crossplay then. xbox technically can if youre fine with getting booted to the main menu after every match and clicking through 40 pop ups telling you you cant play. but that turns it into a job
This is dumb to say. There's so many ways to fix this issue, these devs are professionals that know how to fix it better than you or anyone else. The real problem is that Activision is clearly giving guidelines where this is done on purpose
@@Mandroid45 Cod has always been a controller game, if you think they will "fix" the broken rotational aim assist, you are delusional. Input based matchmaking is the closest thing they can do without a backlash from controller player base, which is like %90 or smth.
The problem is everyone has switched and the MKB population is very small and only consists of higher skilled players that won't switch even though they get spanked by robots aiming for kids...
It’s always nice to hear you be honest on how much money u made through different ventures, most creators try to underplay it. U deserve it man!
@@grayson7844not mutually exclusive
Dude, you guys are literally my top two favorite CZcamsrs to watch and for you to be watching one of his videos and putting it on your channel is a dream ✨😭💪
Playing Keyboard and Mouse is comparable to driving a stick shift. The experience is far more immersive like you are part of the rig to make things happen. It’s wonderful
If they gave aim assist to mouse and keyboard I think the majority of mnk players would stop playing. Why would you want to play a game that plays for you?
@@nameofthegame9664 mnk players would stop playing because mnk aim assist actually makes it harder to aim
Whatever helps you sleep at night bub
@@nameofthegame9664 plays for you is kind of a stretch my guy 😂
101%
I remember during the early days of CoD and the beginning of Battlefield's growth on console, everyone understood playing on PC/KBM was for the people who were highly invested into gaming, and something many of us aspired to earn! Most of us were still on console at the time, but we'd still watch PC gameplay because of how fast and exciting it was, especially for Battlefield since we only had 30fps with virtually no aim-assist. To go from playing like that, to finally getting a PC and investing 10 years into myself and improving, to now seeing people spend 3000$ on a PC just to plug in a controller on CoD feels like we've forgotten the entire point of what we were doing.
nicely sad
This mindset is not entirely healthy. You also have to understand that many controller players wanted to switch to PC to play the same games at higher fps and better performance. ESPECIALLY games like fortnite, apex and cod.
consoles limit your hertz i have a 245hz monitor and my xbox series x limits it to 120hz and also there is no fps limit not all about the input for the player its about the performance coming from the hardware you use
@@jahsearrr7518not true considering these games weren’t even out except cod u had like titan fall and shii
@@S1mp1eMac what are you talking about, that’s why a lot of competitors switched to pc because it’s all around better in every aspect performance wise. If you were a pro, would you rather play on a console against other PC pros, or on a PC against other pc pros?
its also good when ur tracking ur enemies on dark areas where its super hard to track using ur eyes
Who’s here from the latest rant where people were hating on Jev on twitter
I played on controller for 12 years and 2 years ago I made the switch to KBM and I couldn't believe the difference in skill ceiling. The way I see it is kind of like an automatic transmission vehicle VS manual transmission. Controller is very straight forward and easy to learn and handle like an automatic car, where as a manual takes time and is a fully raw human to machine experience that you HAVE to understand because it will not allow for any errors. One allows for more skill to be shown w years of practice, while the other is very limiting and DOES help the user to achieve the same goal.. playing the game.
Unless you're like me and play controller with no aim assist and actually got good xD
@@dewclips5683 why? You're just handicapping yourself for sportsmanship lmao
@@dewclips5683 yea...that doesnt make much sense
wdym? i don't need it, i do worse with it@@REFLEHX
@@dwdesign2873 Why would people handicap themselves by playing on M/KB? If you really care about skill ceiling, skill expression, improving your skills blah blah blah (all the nonsense M/KB people claim to care about). Then playing controller with no aim assist should be their wet dream, as that is the most effective way of achieving all those things.
For some reason I just love this guys videos. Watching em play. Hearing em discuss the game. The way he understands the game. GOAT fasho.
I know you probably don't care, but I think Jev is just referring to gloves wide receivers wear. They do give better grip and are slightly sticky kinda. It's legal. So hes comparing players that use those to those who go out with raw hands
no...there was something entirely different in the 80s that only some used that was cheating. EVERYONE uses grippy gloves now....but not that stuff that was straight up instant glue
@@Shadow0fd3ath24but that tar was NOT what Jev was referring to so Marksman is wrong in his response to what Jev was comparing.
@@koncepttheking4071 like the pine tar they used to use in baseball too?
@@lmkilluminati yea Jev was talking about legal Gloves that the NFL allows. Marksman was talking about that pine tar.
@@koncepttheking4071 First of all, how tf do you know what he was referring to if he didn't specify? Sit tf down. You assuming he's referring to WR is no different than Marksman assuming he was referring to Stickem.
Due to the lack of a precision on a control stick. The only thing aim assist should do really is slowdown that's it since it's not easy to actually pull back at the right speed which is where the problem has always been with using a controller. Sticks just weren't designed with intention of being used in FPS games. They were made for things like flight.
Rotational aim assist really is the only real problem. Sometimes that really does the work for you and you can feel it. Other times it can screw you over, but more often than not it will help you. But no one needs that sort of hand holding where it tracks the enemies movements before either party can react.
The issue with this is Slowdown can become detrimental, if the target suddenly starts strafing to your left after strafing right you have the natural issue of sticks where you're still aiming right, slow right, slow left, then hard left.
Just Slowdown gives M&K an massive advantage. This is why Rotational exists, to remove that issue above and was fine when it was only controller. When Crossplay came into the picture Mouse and Controller can't co-exist.
24:45 damn great explanation for me as a console player to understand everything more clearly. I haven't had the opportunity to play PC. This whole video as been great. Need more like this.
I haven’t played cod on controller since mw19 when I switched mid game to pc and I just plugged in my remote on mw2 at the time and was completely amazed at how it was. Granted I wasn’t good against the bots, because I haven’t picked up a controller in years, but the tracking I had with the sensitivity the game gave me was nuts
I have always been absolute DOG SHIT with my aim on controller, and always have been. I have been playing cod for a good 6-8 months on kbm, and I'm a lot of the times practicing my centering against bots in private matches. I struggle to hit a lot of the flick shots. I saw a few yt videos explaining how good aim assist on cod is so I tried it against the bots. Bruh I was hitting flicks that I couldn't hit on kbm after months of practice. I SUCK ON CONTROLLER, and all it took was one game of playing on controller for me to hit better flick shots.
Yeah it's a crazy change. I used to be top 500 on PS4 during Overwatch's peak (like season 2 & 3). I switched to M&KB and could barely even compete. It took a while, but I got really good with M&KB. Aiming is one thing, but movement inputs and movement techs feel great on keyboard once you're proficient. There's always room to improve too.
I don't know if I can recommend grinding to get to that point (it's objectively a waste of time), but it's really fun
in classic cod's there was only ONE type of aim assist which was the default version of it up until MW19 where we were introduced to multiple aim assist types (focusing, precision, standard). In MW2 (2022) the "black ops" aim assist was added to the game while the others still existed. Even in today's most recent cod (MWIII) all of the aim assist types I mentioned are still available in game; each aim assist brings a different dynamic that is still effective. the issue isn't aim assist alone, its the variety of aim assist types you can choose from. the only way to patch aim assist is to go back to how classic cod's were, which is to have 1 type of aim assist which is the standard version.
You are mistaking Aim curves to Aim assist. Two different things entirely. No relation to eachother
@@santi_claws no I'm not, i know what I'm talking about
@@OnlyFloor No, you did mistake it.
Older cods had Aim Assist (The slowdown Bubble) but also had Rotational Assist (If you strafe left/right near an enemy it keeps you on target, typically when not ADS) This already proves you wrong.
The "different" Aim Assists you claim are just settings that influence how the intensity of the Assist works, which people optimize so they will end up roughly centered when the AA is full but if off center the AA will help them get on center. It is still the same aim assist.
@@Dragoonsoul7878 all of that is false info. I didn't mistake anything
Gamer grip cockring had me dead bro 😂
I tried those things in my controller and couldn't even move my sticks lol
@@T-Man_865 BRO 🤣🤣🤣
@@GreenSniper_YT yea man for real tho they are the control freak brand. That go under the analog sticks. But I literally couldn't move the sticks to run or aim so I took them off. I don't see how they help with aim. But yeah they would make a small cock ring 😂
Interested to see his, and your take on the subject. As a M&K player, I feel like a controller player needs that aim assist to not be put at a massive disadvantage.
My main game is Hunt:showdown, where a controller on PC doesn’t add aim assist, so a controller is hardly even viable. But it’s also a OSHS game and doesn’t have cross play.
Glad I stuck around. Good takes overall. I don’t play COD anymore so I wouldn’t have assumed controller is stronger, based on my experience with other games. Good for them though. It’s not a game I’d recommend people play to begin with, and every game is going to have its issues anyways.
The raw input on controller is so atrocious that losing Aim Assist would be the equivalent of losing one of your five senses and could actually kill COD for the console market as a whole just as both Jev and Mark said
@@biiyen8458 Yeah definitely. I think they both hit the nail on the head.
I think it’s funny that controller is stronger on one game and pc is going crazy over it
@@KillaZero Lol right? I’m not a fan of controller at all, but people are clearly forgetting CODs target audience. Like they said probably 90% is on console, what do you expect 🤦♂️
As someone who switched to MnK 2 years ago from Xbox to pc, it does feel more rewarding to play on mouse and keyboard than on controller. At first I was skeptical about but then I saw how much aim assist helps. It is insane. I’m now decent on MnK but man the difference is there.
It's such a massive leap from being good on controller to good on MNK . On roller you just worry about crosshair placement and the rest is done with LT/RT but on MNK even if your crosshair placement was good you still have to micro track when you ADS
I had this same realization when I went back to apex after switching to kbm for months. Was so mind boggled when I saw just how much my aim assist was helping and how easy it was to just turn my brain off and let the game aim for me
lmaooo ok
Let’s see some clips bud
ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?
Lmao apex community was pushing for zero aim assist on controller and were convinced it was the right move. Controller would be almost unplayable without it with crossplay
@@Soupy_bass noone is or has pushed for no aim assist. Just a reduction. AA is meant to level the playing field not give an objective advantage and it is needed to level the playing field.
It has only been a complaint since 2019 because that’s when cross play started. Warzone was the worst thing to happen to Call of Duty.
disagree. fortnite was the worst thing, beause of that we have nikki minaj and 21 savage running around
@@rxl3gend123😂
@@rxl3gend123 Good take. Fortnite made these companies realize how much profit there was in catering to the younger crowd. They couldn't give a shit how it affects it for everybody else.
My win loss is so terrible in this game 😂 I gotta crunch shipment if I wanna unlock anything with the time I have, and the amount of games I join mid game to the enemy team having sentry turrets/helis/rgl/spamming lmgs and camping, covering almost the entire map and spawns is insane. And it doesn’t help that every time you spawn you have to YY or let a animation play out before you can even fight back.
That right there is the terror of sbmm/eomm
This year's cod is the worse I've played sbmm wise. Prolly my favorite cod that released in years but every match I play is down to the wire maybe 10 point difference and it's ridiculous. Every lobby feels like I'm in ranked now
I agree I'm not afraid to be just another controller player. There is just no feeling like mkb. It's so engaging . When you drop a 5 on screen heady with a sniper on shipment and you hear the despair in there voice in voice chat as you steamroll there team knowing no robot haf any part in your kills feels good man
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i am a kbm main and one thing i find crazy is, during mw2 (vanguard as well) i was playing ranked at a high diamond- low crimson level, and i could play kbm one lobby, then go play controller in the very next lobby and perform just as well if not BETTER on controller, when i almost NEVER play cod on controller. ive played kbm and controller all my gaming life (10-12 years), but ive played kbm for probably about 80% of my lifetime total compiled game hours. i also do currently play ranked halo infinite when the mood arises at a low onyx level on controller.
I play mouse and keyboard because the skill cap for it seems to be infinite and it feels really good to see myself progressively getting better. Also im not a couch gamer anymore so playing with a controller at my desk feels weird lol.
i still feel this way when i play diablo 4 cause i play it with controller. its so weird and ive been a desktop andy for like 3 years now lol
I hear that. I'm married and a dad, I play on the TV with a
Controller on my xbox and it would feel so weird, and probably less relaxing to use kbm and have a table or whatever in front of me. I get some people wanna be the "best", I was very good when the OG versions of these games released and played every day for hours. Now I'm likely to get 5 hours a week and I'm playing to decompress not to get sweaty.
It's honestly too bad there will never be a game where social is fun and carefree and ranked is for sweats because people always use social to "Stomp" and that's why sbmm is so bad now.
A year of experience gaming on keyboard and mouse versus somebody who never has is like facing recruit bots
New to both here channels but I definitely learned how to aim off their video and I’m new to cod overall
Everytime I hear Marksman talk about the average .7-.9 kd I feel so much better. I always think I'm ass with my 1.22 kd but being reminded what the average kd is makes me feel better lol.
Same I have a 1.31 kd and I'm just average at the game. I don't see how the average is below a 1 kd.
I’m a 1.40 I always thought I was average too lol
I’m pretty sure the average player isn’t watching videos about cod on CZcams.
Everything below 2kd is bot level.. mp is dead so nobody cares about kd
I had a 3 kd 10 years ago but in the thick sbmm era it’s just 1.2. Shows how different it is now.
I just wish they didn't force us to play with cross-play for console and PC.
You can still plug in a controller on pc lol
@@jesusblanco7657completely missing the point
@@bushmonster1702 consoles you can just turn it off lol so I don’t see the point
@@jesusblanco7657 because you're forced to play with console players
@@phelan8385 there you go , but even on pc if there was no crossplay people would still be able to use roller on pc
I initially played COD on controller for about 6-7 years before switching to KBM for the last 4-5 years. This year with MWIII I went back to controller, because the mouse input seemed off, and aim assist is so strong compared to what I remember.
the reason you feel it that much is just because u are not used to it you stop feeling it after 1 match
jev marksman combo video is crazy but love to see it
This video was desperately needed. Thanks Jev and thanks Marksman for bringing this vid to my attention. Ive been PC since BF3, last game i played on controller/console full time was og Balck Ops on 360. I tried to switch back to controller on mw2 2022 and i gave up. The shots where nuts, I was a quick scoping fiend, but looked like a complete uncoordinated muppet when it came to movement. I was literally just left click right click. I'll stick to kbam from now on, after 20 years its all i know.
Also, lots of great points Marksman. We were on controller before there was such thing as aim assist. Then they figured out if they could give toddlers aim, they could shovel absolute shit on irresponsible parents who had little electronic boxes babysit their kids .... BOOM... profit. And the rest is dark practices history.
what are you talking about, aim assist has always been a thing, its just stronger in recent cods
@@sammyperez6547 you have obviously never played d-pad era shooters. Pixel perfect aim required, or you missed. Also no auto centering, and no rapid fire meaning you had to "Press A" for every shot on your single fire weapons and the only weapons that used an autofire were actual fully automatic weapons. Shooters have existed much longer than since "Call Of DooDoo" was put on console and fed to toddlers with aim assist as a way to get into their parents wallets.
i feel the exact same way ab it feeling too easy on controller, so awhile ago ive tried to take up the skill of playing higher sens on roller. MY GOD when i tell you its so fkn hard to learn when youre playing on a sens that can break aim assist on you by the slightest touch. My friends and I have been playing ranked for YEARS and it sucks now bc im playing at a FAR lower level trying to see if i can learn how to consistently play on this and still run n gun. Hopefully i can figure out some consistencies bc playing low sens on roller actually just feels like anyone can do it
Love ya bro! Glad you and jev are boys!
I play controller and I had my aim assist switched to one of the other options for a while on accident and I couldn't figure out how literally everyone had better aim than me until I swapped the aim assist over to default, that shit is so strong its like the hand of God is guiding you to the bad guys
wish ppl would see this and stop down playing aa, it can be way too much, how is someone on mnk supposed to compete, like you have to be well rested,eaten right all day, no caffeine, peak health to be consistent on mnk, a little shaking/jittering and your aim is all over, meanwhile on controller I can play on 1 hr of sleep, no food, 2 energy drinks and my aim takes no hit, its too much.
But also is really fun to play with AA off once you get gud on controller
Everyone online seems to recommend black ops. Will give default a go 👌🏻
I play without aim assist it's so much better
@@19ryuusei The only time it's a problem is when it slows down through objects
16:00 i can vouche for this ! i went from having around 1.7K/D nothing great but not horrible either. I switched to m&kb and i might have a .8KD. I will admit the massive amount of inputs threw me off at first, but once i learned the input i still managed to feel the massive difference!
I'm holding on for dear life to my 1.0 with mnk but I dont enjoy the game aiming for me so I'd rather have a 1.0 vs whatever I could get on controller
it took me over 3 years to get proficient on KBM, its one of the reasons i feel most people that try KBM tend to go back to controller
@@unseatedewe2393dude, fuck stats. Remember what these games were made for to begin within, FUN. Keep fun in the forefront of your mind when you play and the experience changes a bit.
I switched to kbam about 3 years ago as well and it's far more rewarding to have good games. My kd is at a .9 right now because of camos 😂 but it has definitely taken some time to actually master it and be able to play with it without thinking or telling myself where the 3 button is or left CTRL. It's just muscle memory now.
,1.7 kd is about 5 percent best players mate.
So glad this was said. I have to work hard to ill someone close quarters, but I'm given them pure helllllll
The only cod ive played seriously was Mw19 and cold war but still watch marksman just bc i love hearing his discussions on cod, W content creator
I'm top 10% in S&D globally based on the leaderboard and I completely agree with what's being said here
The stuff being able to be done with AA esp. on zero recoil guns like the MCW and also on Snipers is pretty wild
The fact that I haven't quit the game yet is miracle (I'm on PC MNK)
no lifing a game and still being unknown 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@juveniIelive your life
I may be a tryhard/sweat but I play casually, I'm not pro and have no intent going pro lol, so I'm not sure what you're trying to imply @@juveniIe
@@looppp Salty about no lifing, but he watches a low skill content creator for opinions on game 😮
@@looppp was talking about juvenile, I tried.
Well said and factual- once you play KBM you get the perspective/the REALITY. If you're blinded by playing only controller.
It's crazy how on PC I remember joining an MW 2019 SnD lobby and if the whole enemy team was controller you just assumed it would be an easy win regardless of what class you use. Now on MW3 if the whole enemy team is on controller you know you're going to get sweated on with only meta weapons and knives.
Keyboard input on that game was actually so good. Idk what changed but after Cold War it has just been clunky and hard to be good
lovely mate might aswell re-uplaod his entire channels videos aswell!!! keep up the good work !!!
I think every good controller player would prefer it gets a nerf. A wider skill gap is always better imo.
As a former pc player now on console im actually shocked that people aim more with left stick. I guess I’ve been missing out! In some situations I landed some shots that I would never land on pc but I didn’t make the connection with strafing . I guess imma improve that k/d soon 😆
It’s crazy and shows how broken and backwards it is.
Lmao bouta b a whole new player
@@bushmonster1702 😢
You arent improving, you are simply getting carried 😂
@@balllover52who cares
It was super hard to switch over to kbm so I didn’t for the longest. I learned and got comfortable with playing kbm slowly by playing bo3 custom zombies because most of the time the zombies were slow. I prefer kbm so much now I can never see my self going back
AA is so temperamental too, its easily exploitable if you master the small strafe directions and touches on the left stick. As a mnk player I also would like to see it be more how it used to be. I used to be controller and i can't even use it anymore for fun because the AA actually throws me off
I played controller from cod4 to Ghosts then switched ever since. Recently plugged in a controller and I was shocked at just how much more it allows you to track and snap on heads compared to how it used to be. When not looking at people, I was all over the place, over aiming, underaiming, and looking straight down/up on accident lol. But when theres a player near my crosshair, I had an amount of tracking that would take years to develop on pc. It was insanely easy to use
There needs to be aim assist for controller to compete, but the line to determine when it's too much is hard to see. Only Activision has the data for who wins more engagements, but in the end like they said, it doesnt matter because mnk is a minority.
In the end mnk has ten games it’s stronger in for every one controller is stronger
@@KillaZero cool
@@KillaZero wtf are you on about?
So what you’re saying, marksman is that we so be honored to be watching a mouse and keyboard player as yourself?
I started m&k 8 months ago, and man that was a struggle to transition. Im just now getting used to it and it’s a lot more fun than controller. It’s been a journey full of frustration 😂 good luck to anyone who makes the voyage 😂🤙🏾
I feel like a fix too could be different levels of Aim Assist per the different weapon. Like SMGs have shorter, but Snipers have longer. If they don't do that already, I can honestly say I don't know a lot about this type of stuff. But I feel like that will fix SMGs outscoring other weapons at ranges they aren't supposed to outshoot at as well as other weapons. I get close up smgs are king, but more than 100m away I shouldn't be getting beaten when I have something stronger like a battle rifle or an LMG
I played controller for circa 10 years from COD4 all the way until Vanguard.
Mid way through MWII I switched to MnK and only just now 6 months later I’m able to maintain above a 1KD, it is fkn brutal for MnK players..
I enjoy the hard work tho, it isn’t for everyone and you really need to find the sens that works for you and stick with it to build muscle memory, tracking and movement are by far the most difficult imo.
Jev is basically Ice Spice
Jev has it right on the nose. The problem isn't that aim assist exists, it's that it's too strong. Rotational aim assist reacts faster than any human being can possibly do EVER, and there are even times when the tracking is so good that people are saying it's best to switch to 'roller from MnK because it's just that much easier.
The other problem apart from reaction time is visibility. They have made it far harder to see with the center dot shaking off-center of the screen, way more aim sway, more visual recoil, more muzzle flash/smoke etc. Most of this does nothing to a controller player while you are basically guessing where your bullets are actually coming out from half the time on M&K. In the event that you do manage to land all your shots, there is a far higher chance you are hitting arms and legs, whereas a controller's aim assist basically sticks you to the chest, so you even often lose fights when you aren't missing.
Nah he didn’t hit shit on the head, he is another content creator crybaby of many. The issue is putting console players in pc lobbies. Gaming died when they put people who aim with their thumbs vs people who aim with their hand lmao
@@John_R_Jackson_III**aim w thumb w the help of a robot that has inhuman reaction time and tracking ability
Aim assist isn't that strong you people are just pssys
@@Sean-MacGuire Try playing both in a lobby where people have positive KDs before you speak. If you haven't played both (like most console fanboys) then you are talking out of your ass.
I went to Tarkov last year. Coming back to other games from time to time is crazy as well. having a maps , uav , instant reload , names of enemies and more. its actually fun for while not caring and going back to my main Tarkov after. I learned kbam solo playing Tarkov haha hardest thing i've ever learned.
I’m sorry for your lost brain cells playing tarkov
@@keanumartin659 only time I lost brain cells was playing cod and all the other games like it
@@missjibb337 I’m not putting cod above tarkov…but we all know how that game treats the mental
@@keanumartin659 same not trying to say one is better than the other. My bad for sounding that way. But my mental was worse playing cod. Everyone is different though 🤘🏼😊 have a great day!
I feel like a game that’s willing to change these things will give us some answers. Maybe defiant will give us that since they seem to more focus on the player base we are
May be an oddball here, built my first pc 5 years ago, was so happy with myself that every game I played, i said, "ohhhh this is gonna fun on mouse and keyboard". Ever since that day, i have never touched a controller becuase of how odd it feels to hold. Doesnt matter the game, cod, forza, rocket league, etc. I will never touch another controller again, its like i cant comprehend the imputs on them. Once I got comfortable on kbm, there was no going back. (I could care less about aim assist, I just play search with a sniper, aim assist dont matter when they get flicked back to Narnia (I copied and pasted this from my comment on jevs video)
Thoughts before watching the video:
MW2019 did it well. however, aim assist should not work through destructible walls (more prevelent in vanguard) and not through smokes.
Thoughts after watching the video:
Aim assist has gotten too strong. I shouldnt be able to pick up a controller after years of not touching it (other than racing games) and be a 1.5 kd player. I had no clue that left stick aiming was superior and with controlFreaks, im sure i could easily be a 2kd+ like I am on pc. Most people who think aim assist is good have not played to be good on both inputs or are just really bad at controller. Aim assist should just go back to MW2019 levels. Where it was still stronger than pc (according to the lead warzone dev) but WAY more redeeming and fair than it is now.
Just watch 12:54 again. I garentee any pc player wouldnt be as smooth as a controller player.
To further your point at the 16:30 mark, I have played both M&K n controller. My problem is the movement, vs my shot I genuinely think my shot is better on M&K vs controller
The stuff you are speaking of was also known as tacafire . And some WR also used a thing called pine tar like batters do on there bat handle
I have been playing MnK for all of my time playing call of duty and basically any other game. Honestly i like the challenge except in warzone where you have to run controller or else you lose. I played controller for a week and i quit controller because it was so easy that i just couldn’t do it. As you said i felt so babysitted. Moved back after a week of playing. We need an option to turn off crossplay even if it sacrifices queue time.
i agree but youll still get the players that plug a controller into their pc
As a controller player that plays causally on cod I wouldn't mind a AA nerf because someone like me shouldn't be able to hop on and do as good as I do. The people that put in the time should most of the time out gun me in a fight.
raw input is the ❤REAL DEAL❤
First off i just subbed cuz of this video, Secondly, Bravo this video couldn't have been more helpful to explain what it feels like using a keyboard n mouse for years, n still getting slammed
As a MNK player you notice the strength of aim assist more in this game because of the longer TTK and other factors that disrupt your aim on MNK such as strafe reticle sway which does not impact controller players
I play controller and i find the aim assist being so strong takes away from the game just in terms of satisfaction to play
I haven’t touched a controller since my PS3 cod days, and since then, started playing a PC games like counter strike and I got really good at MnK. Started playing cod again starting with MW2019 and I only played MnK since then. I recently plugged in a controller and felt so slow and sluggish, even though I was hitting every shot. I just have more fun on MnK and I think that’s the best way to choose your input. It’s a game at the end of the day, and whatever input you have the MOST fun on, is what you should choose. There is no right input, even though the stix is objectively the stronger input. I could care less as long as I’m having fun. At this point, COD has just become a $70 aim trainer for me lol.
I appreciate the challenge of using raw input, M&K versus the controller folks on games. Always been a m&K for almost 30 years now since Doom / Quake days. Will always feel more natural to me
Mnk is harder to learn then controller, and also takes more skill. The controller is easy to control but we can only control recoil with one thumb. Mnk players can use there entire forearm, which has more freedom and control to handle recoil.
Without aim assist for us controller players we would be demolished by the Mnk players.
That's what I tell everyone. The recoil control on mouse I heard was much easier. Not to mention the fast flicks to aim is easier..To me I would think controller having aim assist would be an even trade
both of my COD GOATS in the same video is epic, need a collab from you two now 😂
Marksman is the Goat of Cod the one and only
@@DanielDLUFFY-sj5duthere's no world where he's the goat of anything. Jev is the goat content creator and someone like scump is the goat player marksman is just good at both
Hey, I siwtched last year to PC for the first time and I've been doing pretty good. I always hear compliments about my tracking, especially from other PC players. What i think it might be is my sensitivity, I play on 6 sens, 800dpi at the moment, started with 7.5. I know that everyone recommends slower speeds by try it out, why not. I'm sure people are different, you might find that your best sens is higher than you think.
Jev, take a breath! And slow down! 😂
Thank you for saying that. "You know youre a good player, you know you are losing to a robot". The struggle is real and console players just dont get it. Ive been exclusively playing M&K 20 years since the original COD release. I do not suck and feel robbed of my skill status!
Funny how no one ranted about aim assisnt back when everyone was on consoles
It's not like PC players ask for cross play either...
@@loopppmnk player here for almost a decade and tbh, I strongly believe that gaming in general shouldn't be on pc as even games without AA on pc are infested with cheaters. Also, controller was always better for gaming except in the fps genre therefore it was a matter of time but either idc because I just play games these days.
@@aniefblack9506 dark souls, platformers and racing are quite Literally the only thing controllers are better at. FPS were undeniably ruled by MnK before the COD AA was added
true i use to play on controller until wwii and i switch to pc, ever since i have played on MnKB maybe 3 fully years and bought mw2 and i bought a xbox one controller and i saw the big difference i felt like i had aimbot or something maybe because i didnt use a controller for some time but noticed it a big difference either way i still went back to MnKB
I'm the crazy one for switching to mnk in vangaurd on the ps5 because it looked fun to use lol it was a struggle in the beginning and i struggled even more when mw2 came out because aiming felt worse somehow and not as smooth. I can confidently say that I had a 1.9 kd and 2.2 kd in search specifically with controller on vanguard and after the switch it dropped to like 1.5 in 2 months! I enjoy kbm and it's still taking time to perform as good as I used to and I think im finally getting there now that I am also on pc. I do agree that aim assist needs to be tweaked not gone cause it def needs it!
Adjust the damage guns do at max ranges and make aim assist not there at those distances. Guns need to stop having unlimited distances and still killing people. There is a lot more cheaters on pc too.
The crazy part is that this would almost 100% work to help warzone and even please the controller players, but Activision still won't do it because they don't wanna lose money, and I don't blame them, they are a company, money is priority number 1 for most
Alot of people doing it on console too look at the sales figures for the chronus, strikepack and modded controllers its alot higher than anyone ever talks about
Great video but I think a lot of the issues with this topic stem from language and tone. When you say things like “you don’t want to loose to a literal robot because that what it is” you’re insulting every controller player who, I’m willing to bet, at the time of getting that kill or making that play, didn’t feel for a second that a robot did it for them. It’s an absurd and inflammatory statement. I do get kills where I know I shouldn’t have made that headshot or won that gunfight but for the most part it is not something you notice most of the time because it’s just normal. In many instances I find aim assist to be annoying in the amount it can pull you off a headshot or to an area you aren’t aimming for. Insurgency on ps5 is another game with no aim assist I’m fairly certain and I destroy in that game too. Acting as if every kill was because of aim assist and controllers never miss a shot just isn’t reality. Pc players also love to leave out the numerous other advantages they have in literally every other area of gaming. Crossplay with pc in multiplayer games should have never been done. It’s made it so console can’t just play with console because if you opt out you get an endless search for a game, even when games are brand new and it’s given pc players an excuse for why they die, every time they die. It will never go back to non crossplay because pc is such a minority. I guess we will all just have to hate each other forever 😂
I started off playing warzone on controller with my PS4, and then when I got a PC I made the switch to keyboard and mouse.. I’ve been losing hair ever since
The main issue in MW3 is not AA the issue is the gun sway and reticle centering even when strafing the gun sway is ridiculous sometimes you feel like there is a bloom. True gaming data explained the issue very well
It's a two pronged issue. All that stuff technically affects controller players as well, it's just that the aim assist is so strong it automatically counteracts most of the effects without the player even realizing they existed in the first place. Both need to be toned down, because if you did nerf AA then controller players would start getting doubly screwed by those mechanics, because they're even less equipped to counteract them manually.
The big thing you gotta take into consideration is that controller players are indirectly buffed when the game has increased health and increased movement. Tracking a target through space well is one of the hardest things to do on m+kb but aim assist basically trivializes it on controller. The problem though is that if you make the game super slow where everything is a laser that instagibs you then the game becomes less fun (imo) and it still doesn't mean that aim assist won't pick players up through walls. It feels like they cranked up the aim assist when they decided to go with advanced movement and then dialed it back down a bit when they went back to classic CoDs, but they didn't bring it back to where it was in the past.
~10-11 years ago when dudes like IncredibleOrb and TBNR Frags first popped up, it was clear that m+kb players would dumpster controller players but that has changed thanks to shit like Scufs and buffed aim assist. There's a reason why games like Quake 3 Arena and UT didn't do well on console back in the day and that's probably because the developers weren't willing to give players what was effectively just an aimbot.
Tracking is literally easier on m/kb because you can literally just adjust the speed of your arms movement in real time over a greater distance with more accuracy, your skill at it may just be underdeveloped (which would make sense if you come from one shot headshot games like cs or valo)
@@SaltSpirits Not as simple as that. Things like player movement speed, player hitbox size, distance and whether or not you have a hitscan or projectile weapon factor in too. Tracking in games like CS and Valorant isn't that difficult because the players move relatively slowly and CS applies a MS penalty for getting shot.
Having to aim with your entire arm has pros and cons in that you have a wider angle you can cover but you have less fine control over stopping and starting. It's similar to the premise behind different length thumbsticks giving a player more control to make very fine adjustments at long range at the cost of precision and speed close up.
Tracking is hard because it's easy to either overshoot or undershoot, especially when your opponent quickly switches directions and that's exactly where aim assist helps a player the most. It's like pitch correcting the note a singer sings. It's not going to sound right if the singer is totally off, but it can make a slight flat or sharp note sound perfect without being too obvious.
I know there are some videos out there of people hitting high numbers in shit like AimLab and Kovaak's but those exercises aren't real matches, don't simulate a real match and they're also not having to think about their own movement and counter-strafing while tracking the opponent's. Some of the best aimers in Quake sit around 40-50% LG accuracy in duels, assuming their opponent isn't a bot who is walking or standing there.
@@SaltSpirits getting good at tracking isn't as easy as just playing kbm. The skill ceiling for kbm is way higher tan controller because of tracking. and aa literally tracks enemies faster than anyone on kbm ever could
The cross over we didn't know we needed.
Spot on. Nice video Mark. I’m getting to the point where I think I have to find a new game - as much as I like COD. The global console market brought in so much revenue that it’s never changing.
GAMER GRIP CCK RING LMAO I LOVE THAT
Getting mapped by smgs has really bothered me. Makes it dumb when smgs out power ARs at distance because aim assist keeps enemies locked on you.
THIS x100
As a KBM player (I started pc fps shooter games in 1999 on KBM), controller players can suck it. I say this even though I played controller from COD4-BO2. Aim assist needs to be nurfed.
I watched some of murdashow Had a video on controller and mouse and keyboard about cross play, and he stated what really goes on
I quit playing CoD last year and played only Valorant for about 3 months. Came back to CoD and it was crazy how much i realized AA was to strong.
How about everyone play against people of the same system 🤦♂️
Exactly
IMO, i really believe aim assist should be there. That said, I think rotational aim assist needs to be nerfed. It's too strong. Being able to find someone behind a wall because your aim would be slowed down, that's a problem. I remember someone finding someone during hide and seek not because they saw them, but because their aim assist slowed down over the body. It's just too damn strong, to the point where it's now a crutch.
I think both the range of aim assist and rotational should be nerfed. Not a fan of getting lasered at long range while moving across a lane. Snipers are the only class that should be able to punish people on the move at long range.
@@bigsmall2842 When you get outsniped by a MCW across map when you have a sniper hahah
No mouse player can ever get close to the level of aim assist, because aim assist has a reaction time of 0ms while the best pro player ever might have a reaction time of 150-160ms.
And reaction time is everything when it comes to tracking moving players, especially in close quarters.
the strafing thing is huge in cs as well
I think nerfing aim assist would actually be beneficial for controller players too, it would widen the skill gap a bit
widen the skill gap + make their aim EVEN better, which just helps the AA. fine by me. better than the soft aimbot rn
My only comment on this is if you watch kill cams, you can literally see and pick out every single one that was aim assist. It is that strong you can literally see it lock onto you. It wasn't like that in the past. And again it is infinite range now. I just want Black Ops 1 back man.
you dont want that espcially with mnk you could get away with uit back then bc youre playing against other roller players youll just end up switching to mnk after cause it would be unfair
5:16 You must have never heard of shroud…… 😂
i used to warm up with aim assist off and i would always forget to turn it on, so i just got used to it and turned my sens up and everyone thinks i play m&k lmao
21:31 - “Am I an elitist? I feel like I’m not an elitist.” 22:13 “90% of you suck at cod.”
That's not elitist. It's true.
I have always said the same.. And i will always say the same...
Aim assist NEEDS to be there..
But not to the point where is a damn right disadvantage to being on MnK....
Devs always say they want equality, and no unfair advantage... (hence why cheats get you banned)
So why is it allowed via Input device?!?!
Controller literally has a 7x advantage, Over MnK...
Aim assist isn't a problem it's cheaters using xim strike packs to get extra aim assist no recoil these clowns think it's just controllers with default aim assist they literally act like aim assist tracks and locks on and the dude said he plays fortnite at a pro level lmao fortnite what a joke 🤣
This is a great video btw, from you and Jev both
There was a random weekend in modern warfare 2 where aim assist was supposedly messed up in warzone. I play with a group that is mixed mnk and controller. The controller players had no issue getting kills and winning games. If this did actually happen, it was super interesting to see how happy they were with how the game felt. I don't know if this was ever actually stated that this happened, but if it did, I think the nerf to rotational would be beneficial to all sides just like has been said in the video. Well done my friend