Off topic: the new e 208 has a better charging curve. My older e208 is going to get an update tomorrow! Maybe u should make a range test again and calculate the 1000km challenge
The only time that you're driving that the different modes would have an effect on energy usage would be when you are accelerating. The amount of power to maintain a consistent speed on the highway will be the same no matter what mode you are in
As a current e-Golf owner I understand the VW Eco vs Standard (Comfort Mode) efficiency savings to be primarily in the acceleration (for the e-Golf the Eco vs Eco Plus cuts out the climate control (no heating or AC) and cuts the max car speed of the car). Therefore Highway testing where you would accelerate up to speed then maintain that speed would not result in a efficiency savings other than maybe a slight savings on the climate control. Where the efficiency savings would be most noticeable is driving around town or in stop & go traffic where it forces the acceleration to be slowed down to save consumption.
I normally drive in range mode in the Taycan 4S and my efficiency over 4,800+ miles is 28.3 kw/100 miles (17.5848047 kw / (100 km). Yesterday I forgot to put it in range mode (it defaults to normal) and I noticed the same level of efficiency degradation that you did. In the past when I kept it in sport mode I had already noticed an even greater degradation. Your degradation is about 1% and mine just for the one trip was 2%. I suspect sport would be similar to yours at 5%. I also would note your 195 to my 176 so the Taycan may also be slightly more efficient than the ID4 in general. I always have my AC on.
More would be saved in eco if non- motorway driving is carried out , in town / stop start driving as throttle is backed off, with constant speed there will be little difference. My old JLR had a graph showing even in sport mode the 4 wheel drive backed off once up to constant speed.
I'd bet it will make most difference, not so much at constant speed but in the city where acceleration will take a higher toll on the consumption while in sport mode than when compared with eco mode.
Yes they are unique in the market as both Ev-6 and Ioniq 5 keep a PM synchronous motor in front and use a patented mechanical clutch to totally uncouple front motor from the front axle . See « the disconnector » from Hyundai youtube channel 6-8% increase of efficiency.
@@mathew-ls yes without the disconnector, it effectively brakes the vehicle as you cannot free wheel the PM synchronous motor. It has to be mechanically uncoupled.
@@mathew-ls we are talking about EVs with awd ( 2 motors ) only as other manufacturers than Hyundai use a « slipping » asynchronous induction motor in the front
Dear bjorn, I am following all your tests with attention, I find that the banana box chalenge is very relevant but I think that we should test the cars with a journey of four people with the suitcases to judge the real autonomy.
Test with HVAC….that’s what I’d use if I purchased a car with climate control. HVAC in all the different driving modes. Should be comparable for the purposes of this video/test.
No, HVAC energy consumption will depend a lot on a) starting temperature in the car and b) short term weather conditions (sun/clouded, wind). The first one could be eliminated by driving for a long time beforehand, but the second one cannot be eliminated at all, maybe minimized if it's a completely wind- and cloud-free day - but still. Anyways, for the answer to the question of this test ("How much energy does driving in eco mode actually save?") the HVAC is irrelevant and thus should be turned off.
I agree with Bjorn that the front motor could be providing some of the torque in sport mode, and the induction motor is less efficient, but VW could have made other adjustments though, in the Ioniq classic sport mode reduces the regen strength, and peak torque at low speeds is noticeably higher. VW could also be running the water pump(s) at a higher flow rate as well in sport mode if the allowable peak current in the inverter is increased, which will slightly increase consumption.
I saw a woman with an enyaq filling it with that blue liquid refrigerant or whatever....why? Does a new ev need that or it had a problem? Anyone knows. I was going to ask her but it's better sometimes to "keep distance"
It definitely is more practical than it is exciting. For me, when I sat down and added up all the pros/cons the vehicle made sense for my needs. It's comfortable/roomy, comes with 3 years of free EA charging, is more affordable than the competition, and has a pretty solid charging curve which makes road trips less of a hassle. I should clarify that some of these things only apply to North American consumers like me. We have fewer non-luxury EV options here in the USA unless you reside in a state like CA. Our choices are this, the Bolt EUV, the Mach-e or a Tesla in most states. The latter two are much more expensive similarly-equipped. If I lived somewhere with other options my decision might be different.
@@jrwaters943 I just checked pricing and you are correct - I did not know the delta between the Model Y and the ID.4 was over 5K, and I think that is without the tax credits you get with VW. That will surely make the car more interesting!
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Off topic: the new e 208 has a better charging curve. My older e208 is going to get an update tomorrow! Maybe u should make a range test again and calculate the 1000km challenge
Definitely. Charging improved a lot with nearly 100 kW up to about 25 kW. Crushes the competition in the segment. It really should be retested
The only time that you're driving that the different modes would have an effect on energy usage would be when you are accelerating. The amount of power to maintain a consistent speed on the highway will be the same no matter what mode you are in
Looking forward to the Ioniq5 test!
As a current e-Golf owner I understand the VW Eco vs Standard (Comfort Mode) efficiency savings to be primarily in the acceleration (for the e-Golf the Eco vs Eco Plus cuts out the climate control (no heating or AC) and cuts the max car speed of the car). Therefore Highway testing where you would accelerate up to speed then maintain that speed would not result in a efficiency savings other than maybe a slight savings on the climate control. Where the efficiency savings would be most noticeable is driving around town or in stop & go traffic where it forces the acceleration to be slowed down to save consumption.
I normally drive in range mode in the Taycan 4S and my efficiency over 4,800+ miles is 28.3 kw/100 miles (17.5848047 kw / (100 km). Yesterday I forgot to put it in range mode (it defaults to normal) and I noticed the same level of efficiency degradation that you did. In the past when I kept it in sport mode I had already noticed an even greater degradation. Your degradation is about 1% and mine just for the one trip was 2%. I suspect sport would be similar to yours at 5%. I also would note your 195 to my 176 so the Taycan may also be slightly more efficient than the ID4 in general. I always have my AC on.
More would be saved in eco if non- motorway driving is carried out , in town / stop start driving as throttle is backed off, with constant speed there will be little difference. My old JLR had a graph showing even in sport mode the 4 wheel drive backed off once up to constant speed.
Bjorn doesn't do urban testing :(
Can you do a focus on DCC?! Is it worth it?
I'd bet it will make most difference, not so much at constant speed but in the city where acceleration will take a higher toll on the consumption while in sport mode than when compared with eco mode.
I think you should test the different modes in city traffic.
ABA: Always Be ABA testing
Could you comment If DCC is worth to buy and new AR HUD. Id.4 Also has sport chassis. Is it available for test?
Guess the Traction mode is most suitable for winter driving?
That Mode is only active up to 20km/h .... so no
Can you test the new Fiat 500e
FYI IONIQ5 AWD has a "transmission disconnector" clutch that disconnects the front motor when not needed.
Yes they are unique in the market as both Ev-6 and Ioniq 5 keep a PM synchronous motor in front and use a patented mechanical clutch to totally uncouple front motor from the front axle .
See « the disconnector » from Hyundai youtube channel 6-8% increase of efficiency.
mmmmm is an electronically disconnected motor really using that much energy to add the complexity of a clutch?
@@mathew-ls yes without the disconnector, it effectively brakes the vehicle as you cannot free wheel the PM synchronous motor. It has to be mechanically uncoupled.
@@chevalde31 well... I can easily push my M3 rwd when in neutral and it doesn't have any clutch
@@mathew-ls we are talking about EVs with awd ( 2 motors ) only as other manufacturers than Hyundai use a « slipping » asynchronous induction motor in the front
Dear bjorn, I am following all your tests with attention, I find that the banana box chalenge is very relevant but I think that we should test the cars with a journey of four people with the suitcases to judge the real autonomy.
Why not test traction? Just noticed your comment on 4WD on Sport mode etc.
Hello...where been...how are you doing? Following you for years...
Bjorn I would love to know if the turning circle is affected by the front motor or if it makes no difference
About 1 meter larger with AWD.
Anyone made the external engine noise for the EV's yet? Starting at 6:15 ! send it to Elon, maybe he'll put in in the next special update!
mmmm could also try traction mode?
Test with HVAC….that’s what I’d use if I purchased a car with climate control. HVAC in all the different driving modes. Should be comparable for the purposes of this video/test.
No, HVAC energy consumption will depend a lot on a) starting temperature in the car and b) short term weather conditions (sun/clouded, wind). The first one could be eliminated by driving for a long time beforehand, but the second one cannot be eliminated at all, maybe minimized if it's a completely wind- and cloud-free day - but still. Anyways, for the answer to the question of this test ("How much energy does driving in eco mode actually save?") the HVAC is irrelevant and thus should be turned off.
A-B-A = Always be awesome?
Maybe traction mode would be best for winter and slippery conditions
Great job Bjorn, please come to India and test drive Nexon EV, made by Tata motors
I agree with Bjorn that the front motor could be providing some of the torque in sport mode, and the induction motor is less efficient, but VW could have made other adjustments though, in the Ioniq classic sport mode reduces the regen strength, and peak torque at low speeds is noticeably higher. VW could also be running the water pump(s) at a higher flow rate as well in sport mode if the allowable peak current in the inverter is increased, which will slightly increase consumption.
I saw a woman with an enyaq filling it with that blue liquid refrigerant or whatever....why? Does a new ev need that or it had a problem? Anyone knows.
I was going to ask her but it's better sometimes to "keep distance"
It was most likely washer fluid.
VW should implement its 800 volt system in the ID.3 and the ID.4…
Or at least increase the charging speed!
Traction mode = 4WD
The skoda enyaq iv80 is so more efficient then this one
The iV80 is RWD only...
I try to remain interested in VW electric vehicles, but find it hard. Styling, software, performance - all average and bland.
It definitely is more practical than it is exciting. For me, when I sat down and added up all the pros/cons the vehicle made sense for my needs. It's comfortable/roomy, comes with 3 years of free EA charging, is more affordable than the competition, and has a pretty solid charging curve which makes road trips less of a hassle. I should clarify that some of these things only apply to North American consumers like me. We have fewer non-luxury EV options here in the USA unless you reside in a state like CA. Our choices are this, the Bolt EUV, the Mach-e or a Tesla in most states. The latter two are much more expensive similarly-equipped. If I lived somewhere with other options my decision might be different.
@@jrwaters943 I just checked pricing and you are correct - I did not know the delta between the Model Y and the ID.4 was over 5K, and I think that is without the tax credits you get with VW. That will surely make the car more interesting!
The VW software is to confusing. Tesla Software is easy to use. But both cars are to expensive for me, I’ll by the MG ZS EV. Everything is simple 😉😎
Please stop making engine sounds..
It's not efficient, it's a SUV