+Brains for Dinner I think he not-so-secretly enjoys disproving its usefulness. Not that it has to be useful to be enjoyed and worth owning, for those who like it, but this is a pretty sure way to make some general points in our ongoing firearms education, not just about the Judge specifically.
I love how people treat the .410 bore. In a full-length, 28" shotgun it's often a youth shotgun for small game. Many states prohibit its use in deer hunting, and even where they do, most hunters wouldn't. Now you take that same shotgun, cut its barrel down from 28" to 3" and now people talk about it like it's the ultimate self-defense tool.
@@bluestatepaine yes and no. My point is that people see a handgun that takes a shotgun cartridge and think it's far more powerful than it is. Thanks to the way such guns are marketed, people often either don't know or forget that the .410 is a pea-shooter of a shotgun round. They further fail to consider that its ballistics are abysmal out of a short barrel. The box of slugs they buy will say 1/5oz slug at 1800 fps. Those specs are from a 28" shotgun. From a handgun, you'll get such a drop in muzzle velocity that those slugs would have energy more similar to a very anemic .45 ACP. The .45 Colt is the far more powerful cartridge out of a handgun like a Judge, and standard .45 Colt loads aren't all that powerful. I've seen people gawk in awe at a Taurus Judge the same way they would look at a magnum revolver. The fact is that any magnum revolver's performance leaves the Judge in the dust and often can do it while being smaller and lighter.
I think the way the slug .410 stopped shy of going through the water jugs made a case for their use in apartments. In the case of a home intruder in an apartment you want to be confident that you wont have over penetration. These could have a specific application for apartments and inside a traditional home to avoid a round traveling through a wall into another room.
i agree. & when a projectile is stopped within a target it has no choice but to transfer all of its energy which is always a plus. a 110 grain slug traveling 1300 fps (i dont know the velocity of the slugs he was using, so im just guesstimating) & that expands to close to 1/2'' or even 3/4" an is stopped within the vitals is going to be alot more effective in my opinion, then a .45 that completely penetrates and expands half to 3/4 of what the slug will & doesnt transfer all of its potential energy. id much rather have a fast moving slug expand alot and stop in vitals rather then have something just make a decent wound cavity and keep on trucking till it hits a wall or someone else. but opinions are like butt holes, everyone has one. some would worry about not having enough penetration. say if it was cold and attacker had thick clothing on or something of that nature. either way i wouldnt want to be on the other end of the stick.
The 410 slug dumps all its energy into the first object. The fact it flattens out will cause extensive tissue damage. It also won't over penetrate a target or continue through a wall into the next room.
The thing is though, it needs to cause damage to vital tissues. Its limited penetration may mean it struggles to do so reliably. Sort of like how a hollow point propelled too quickly will struggle to penetrate adequately.
@@knifedance2402 dude do you really think a 3oz slug at 344fps is going to struggle to penetrate a humans chest 3 inches deep? Come on man what the hell is it with you people? A toothpick is long enough to kill someone if stabbed into the right spot in the chest... You really fucking think a slug can't penetrate that deep?
My exact thoughts hawk. Hit intruder stop in dry wall. Miss intruder energy spent on 2 layers of drywall. Perfect night stand shoot before I get my glasses on gun.
@@knifedance2402 I have, my edc is a Sig P365, but i acknowledge the usefulness of the .410 round as a home defense shell the when chosen carefully isn't likely to kill your neighbor or his dog and in a far more usable pistol it can be reasonably effective.
I am glad I saw these videos. One thing that I think you might consider mentioning is that the lack of penetration by the .410 slugs might be a positive if you are concerned with over penetration. Situations like an apartment building, or rooms where the shots might go through walls and into other people's houses. That's about the only benefit I would see to this pistol.
dave runner I went up to the Raging Judge...shoots .454 Casull, about twice a .44 magnum. It DOES present that over-penetration problem, and a sore wrist.
@@johnstewart8849 I have a 44 mag and i only have hard cast 44spl and fortscott tui and they both have way too much penetration im looking for some jhp so i dont put a hole in something i dont want a hole through
Thank you Paul. I had wondered about this same subject a few months ago. I guessed what the results might be, but never tested (partly because I never bought any slugs). Well, now I know. I had guessed right, but there's nothing like knowing. Someone else here said you're becoming one of the best channels. You're certainly one of the absolute best in my book, and I appreciate your approach, presentation and work in creating these video's.
@sheparddog117 Sheparddog, Some people consider the AK platform to be very reliable and low maintenance. You mention deer hunting. Your point is well taken, but again, some people consider the 7,62X39 cartridge to be plenty of power for deer hunting. Some people just think the AK platform is cool. Some people use it because it's what they have or what they're familiar with. you use the word justification. Luckily we don't have to justify why we like the guns or cars that we like. Can you imagine a woman trying to justify all the shoes she owns? The bottom line is some people's opinions are different than yours or mine.
Paul, great work and thank you for your efforts. I was very likely to buy a Judge before your seeing your videos, now I'm going to go with a .357 with a 4 inch barrel. Thank you for helping me out in my decision making process and saving me disappointment and money.
There's a few reasons why I bought a Judge. One, the cost was about $400, two, the .45 LC is about as heavy a round as I reasonably need for where I live, and three, I appreciated the ability to load the thing with shot shells for small game hunting/ chicken coup guard duty. Although it would be pretty awesome to watch a raccoon explode after being hit by a 225gr bonded JHP, it's not worth the money for the ammo. Aw hell, and four, who doesn't want a pocket shotgun?
Hey I don't want to knock why you bought this particular gun. But $400 seems alot. You could just go with regular Mossberg 500 12ga for half the price, and arguably get a much more functional gun. As for pocket shotgun, my pockets aren't that big. The Taurus is beyond what I would consider good for concealed carry. If you buy a gun because you just think it's cool then that's a very valid reason to buy it.
Wow, that really helped with my decision on which to use, 45 Colt or Slug. I have a Judge as well as a bond arms Snake Slayer, and a Henry .410. I don’t need to look for .410 slugs any longer. Thanks for update three.
I really learn a lot from your videos. thank you for your hard work. very few what you do, prove what you are saying. shooting a firearms which most do really has no purpose. again thank you
For part 4 please do your meat and home walls tests with the judge or governor vs. the 38 357 and 1911. I think it will show you how the shotgun pistol can shine...lethal but without over pentetration. Please address hit probability with less experienced shooters under stress vs. carefully aimed shots by an expert like you. I think you will find he judge can outperform these other guns in the right circumstances like the real world ones I live in. It is a bit of a special purpose gun. But it truly can out perform others in the situations I mentioned, which are actually pretty common concerns, over pentetration, and average or below shooters under stress where penetration through apartment or thin and close home walls is a real danger.
I'm liking the .410 slugs. For compact areas ya ain't gotta worry about over penetration. Meaning the only thing not safe in doors is the threat. Thank you for the show of ballistics. Very helpful, answered all my questions.
Thank you for the Taurus Judge series. Very informative. Appreciate your videos as I have just recently discovered them. This video series saved me from making a poor purchase. Thank you. Take care. :)
The Judge was, as I recall, originally marketed as an anti-carjacking pistol to be used at just past contact range with 8 or 9 birdshot. Target becomes hamburger minimal over penetration.
Hi Paul Loving the vids and as I’m a shooter living in the UK I’m very jealous of the options available to you guys. I would love to see a 4th Judge video where you are shooting moving targets.. vermin / birds can be simulated with clays and may give a different point of view on the judge.
I have to agree with others who have stated over penetration is a detractor when dealing with home security or situations you want to hit the target and not what is in the next several rooms behind the target. Knowing how the gun and ammo work together is exactly why people need to practice their shooting with the ammo so you are in control of your shots and not just hoping it will do what you want and remove all uncertainty.
Great information Sir!!! I have a Polly frame dandy on it's way. For me I'll carry three OOO Buck and two Long colt in mine. Your testing has great points I must say. I just subcribed to your Chanel and blessings to you and your family 😇
I have watched all 4 of your videos on The Judge. First, thanks for the education. Second, it is very important to me that I don't shoot through a brick wall. I want to stop an intruder in my home BUT I don't want to endanger others at the same time. So, I plan to load with .410 PDX1 or .45lc for in home self defense. Johnny Coleman SSG, US Army Retired
GREAT! I'm glad the video helped you make an informed decision. The judge isn't the right gun for me (or a lot of other people) but it sounds like the right gun for you.
Good review friend I had one of these .410/45 pistols back in about 2000 or 2001. It was junk, couldn't hit anything, never would even consider it for home defense.
I'm amazed at the amount of patience and fairness you displayed, reviewing the Judge three times xD I really thought it was the best gun for everything, until I saw your initial review - which is really disappointing. I have a lot of respect for the .45 colt, and thought the shotshell would do just as well (I know nothing about shotgun performance) as a normal shotgun. But seeing as the .45ACP is just as powerful (arm swing) as the .45 colt OR MORE, I am not even sure I trust the .45 colt, anymore. I might just buy something like a 1911. Either way, thanks for an awesome final (hopefully) review of a gun I really wanted to be the best. If I buy a .45 colt revolver it'll be a full size, 6 inch barrel.
Thanks. Don't lose too much faith in the .45 colt, it will get the job done. If you want to see the best use of a judge, it makes an appearance in our "shooting from a car" video.
The 45acp was designed to replicate the original black powder load of the 45 Colt. The 45 Colt can be loaded to equal the 44 Rem Magnum in SOME handguns. I have one. Ruger New Model Blackhawk. I load it at 117fps with a 250 gr bullet, out of a 4.5 inch barrel. No need for 44 mag levels unless I'm going after a T-Rex.
.45 acp represents the low end capabilities of the .45 colt, compromised for a semi automatic weapon that needed a comfortable grip with the magazine inside. The larger case allows for either heavier bullets, more powder, or a combination of both.
I have a Governor and while I don't think it's the end all be all gun, it certainly has a place in the handgun world in my opinion. I think they are about perfect for four wheeler riding or simply being out in the hills due to the variety of caliber and ammunition selection they can fire. And they're kinda light to be such a big gun (slightly less than 30 oz I think). But mine really shines at just having fun target shooting. It's a blast shooting any kind of shotgun shell. And then being able to shoot 45 Colt and 45 ACP is extra nice too, especially 45 ACP due to cost.
Yep, last gun I would grab. It is accurate enough. I won't trust my life to it since mine is poor quality and broke after 26 shots. Same goes for the rest of modern s&w products, i.m.o.
Good information. I've wondered how the slugs would compare with the 45 Colts. I never bothered with 410s of any sort in my Judge. Shot shells realize their intended potential in smooth bores anyway, and rifled barrels drastically reduces its effective range. The Judge is a fun gun for when I want to shoot 45 Colt, but that's pretty much it. Otherwise, with 410 shells, it's pretty much an extreme close range weapon. Not a bad thing, I suppose, if you're using it to shoot at bad guys across a room inside your house. But then again pretty much all guns can do the same thing, and many of them could probably perform better than the Judge. It's the most popular "gimmick gun" ever produced.
I went with the Governor. It's more versatile, being able to shoot 45 ACP with moonclips, which is effectively a speed loader making it even better. Also, I've heard some bad stories regarding the Judge and having to take advantage of the manufacturers warranty.
I had a bad experience with my governor(broke after 26 shots). Poor quality and bad customer service are the reasons I will never buy another s&w. It does make it easy to look at gun stores/shows now.
I've never been a fan of this gun. But if you ever get a chance Mr. Harrell it be nice to see a review of the Judge with the 22lr, 9mm, and 38 special adapters.
Hey Paul Thanks for your time & good work. I agree with pretty much everything you said about the Judge all valid points, for yourself & other seasoned shooters the Judge has almost No use. However for my wife, a person who goes to the range once maybe every two years. It's exactly what I would want her shooting in the house god forbid if there's an intruder & Im not home. For those exact reasons you mentioned our Judge is loaded with .410 Slugs. In all reality our rooms are less than 5yds across & I don't want penetration if she's the one shooting it. I'm counting on her missing at least 2 out of 5 rounds. That being said it also is a Hand Cannon, the shear size of it will scare off an unarmed intruder. She won't even have to fire if some creep is looking in the window & sees that on the other side. If I'm home I'll grab my .40 that's all tactical or my 12 Ga 930. I would have to consider my backstop, I don't want her grabbing either one of those & shooting them; for the sake of others who would be home, & our neighbors so we've talked about what she's supposed to do.
In my home state, a 45 LC revolver is allowed for deer hunting. However, the Judge doesn't meet the barrel length requirements. A shotgun with slugs is permissible, and there is no barrel length requirement. Therefore, the Taurus Judge could be used for deer hunting, and that is an excellent reason for the .410 slugs. On top of that, it is the only skeet gun which can be carried in a holster. How have I live my life without one of these fabulous firearms? Am I being serious? You be the judge.
I'm down to about 3 or 4 gun channels now..Thanks for being there and being who you are. Never change. I have a friend that carries a Judge with some sort of wonder ammo. Friend would be an exaggeration, more as comic relief. That and his ginsu knife make him a master ninja operator.
The 410 slug delivered COMPLETE energy transfer......therefore it flattened completely......the hitting and stopping power is unequaled. Any deer hunter that has downed a deer with a 410 slug will tell you....that thing will put 'em down! Thanks for the video.....I like the "JUDGE"
-Deer hunters who have used a .410 almost certainly use a long gun, which will produce higher velocities. -.410 slugs are not as effective as other rounds even if they have been used to kill deer. Paul has used a .25 auto to kill a deer. It doesn’t make the .25 auto a good cartridge to hunt deer with. -In the case of a pistol which can fire .410 slugs and .45 LC, the question isn’t the viability of .410. It is the viability of a specific type of .410 round from this handgun as compared to .45 LC. That viability is quite low, I believe.
All good points, and a good overall analysis. There is one point that needs to be mentioned. On target impact appeared to be the same, but penetration greatly differed. It's this very fact that makes the Taurus a viable indoor defense tool. Would I hunt with a slug out of a Judge? No. Would I load the cylinder with both buckshot and slugs for self defense purposes? You bet.
You have to love that if Paul hates a gun. He will not just do a video but he will prove exactly why he hates it. And by the end of the day you are going to feel the same way.
I think what you are missing in this review is... Never shoot at something unless you are willing to destroy what is behind it. The slug seemed like it had way more kinetic energy than the .45 It may not have had the penetrating power, but if that slug didn't dispatch whatever target you were firing at... it would have absolutely knocked it on its ass without collateral damage. You proved that the slug would be perfect in a home invasion/robbery/burglary because of this effect. I wouldn't want to harm someone behind my target. The slug would almost guarantee that desired affect. Also, might I suggest and I know this might be a bit of a crazy notion... But go out and buy some flare rounds for a .410 flare-gun. This handgun could fetch you some food, fend off a bear, and signal for help in one bad camping trip. The reason I feel this handgun is one of the best around is because of it's versatility. It is the swiss-army knife of the hand cannon... Plus if you are carrying a lever-action in .45 colt with this handgun, there is virtually no need to worry about ammunition compatibility. Just my thoughts
"I think what you are missing in this review is... Never shoot at something unless you are willing to destroy what is behind it." Paul spent over 20 years in the Marines and spent much of that time as a shooting instructor. He's won many shooting matches. No, Paul didn't miss anything.
The 45 has more energy than the .410 slug. The difference is because of how the slug expanded it transferred that energy faster. Whish is why the penitration was so low. If you used a bullet design that expanded better/faster the .45 would look more devastating. I would say it boil down to what you need or want from the round. Do you want one with more hydrostatic shock and less penitration, or one that has better penitration. That is a pretty common trade off with ammunition.
I have two Judges, one with a Crimson Trace Laser Grip, and enjoy them both. But if you're going to stick with .45 Colt because of accuracy realize the bullet has to jump a lot due to the .410-length cylinder. You might consider the Charter Arms Bulldog in .44 Special with the hottest factory loads you can find or some warm, not hot, handloads. It is more concealable than the Judge as well.
I recently discovered this channel via a friend’s suggestion when asking him some questions about the Taurus Judge. I love the content and have watched several other videos outside of the Taurus Judge. I watched all 4 Taurus Judge videos you made on and know that they are old, but I wanted to post this question here, and on the other 3 videos, in hopes of getting a response from someone. One point of discussion you mentioned was, “What are you buying this gun for?” To answer, I want to buy a ‘squirrel gun.’ When I am archery deer hunting, and not seeing deer, I get tempted to shoot a squirrel, or other small game (rabbit, quail, dove). Some of shots would be ‘up’ so firing a single projectile ballistic would not be safe and I need to fire shot. Carrying a proper shotgun while I’m archery hunting is not practical, but a sidearm would be. Since I don’t want an illegal ‘sawed off shotgun’ a 410 handgun might do the trick. I recently saw a 6.5” barrel Taurus Judge, cheap, at a gun store. But would I have enough lethal energy, accuracy, shot spread at a target that’s upwards of 20 to 25 yards away? Having watched your videos I dare say would 10-15 yards away be effective on small game? I think what I want is impossible, by the laws of physics, let alone man. What does the internet think about a “squirrel-dove handgun”?
Just carry more gear. Get a cheap hatfield single shot 410, cut it 16.5 inch barrel, cut stock short. Youth model short. Get a sling you can tie down decent. Compound/conventional bow or crossbow? I carry crossbow and 10 22 charger, but I can shoot skyline where I hunt.
Hello Mr. Harrell, Do you think that the Taurus Judge loaded with .410 slugs would be a good firearm for home defense purposes based on the damage it does to the intended target while not having to worry about over penetration through said target? I also wonder if you will ever make a video on a list of firearms that you would recommend for home defense based on the characteristics I mentioned before regarding the Taurus Judge using .410 slugs (effectiveness on target and lack of over penetration). Regardless, thank you very much for all the information you provide.
I feel like there's a trade-off between penetration and energy transfer. The slug appears to do that fairly well... Honestly, the judge might be better as a smoothbore shot-shell only pistol; forgoing the 45 Colt altogether, and then the pattern shouldn't spread so far out so fast. Then use a good number of bbs instead of buckshot, or a slug plus bbs (if you roll your own, perhaps). Higher brass might help as well.
i understand it goes against the expressed intent of this gun (conceal carry and maximum spread) but i would love to see you do some tests out of the longer barrel version, just really curious because i do know people who carry it in the longer length as their open carry, great vid and God bless
love my circuit judge. wish someone would do a shot comparison between the original judge and circuit judge. I know it will be highly predictable but haven't seen anyone do it
Viewed the three Judge Reviews, all excellent. If there is a Taurus Judge Review Part Four/update ... (or a "Shooting from Cars Part II" or a "Why Bring a Carbine Same Caliber as your Sidearm Part II" or ".410 Shotgun for Home Defense Part II"), ... it would be interesting to include or focus on the "Taurus Raging Judge M 513 Revolver" (Stainless Steel six shot Magnum w 6.5 inch barrel and 3 inch chamber) examining at least the .454 Casull, ( if not all the rest: .45, .410 and .45 S&W rounds, depending on which video update is relevant.) Of interest: how would the Taurus M 513 revolver paired with a Rossi R92 454 Casull lever action or an appropriate .410 compare to the Ruger .357 GP-100 six inch paired with the .357 lever action (1873 or 1892), or for that matter, the other carbine/sidearm combinations already reviewed?
Good job Paul on this clip too, Nope i'm not today or tomorrow or ever buying a Judge revolver .. If i could ever convince myself i have a need for a gun like that it would be the S&W model .. But that's not gong to happen anytime soon from what i seen..
Wow your area has some very expensive 410's and very low cost 45 colts. I absolutley agree the 45 colts are better but as for cost in my area its the opposite here in Ohio. The only 45 colt ammo I can find locally is over a dollar a round for lead cowboy loads. Self defense rounds are even higher. 410's can be piccked up for 3.99 a box of 5 or 9.99 for 15 close to deer season around here. I can find it cheaper but have to drive for over an hour which off sets the cost quite a bit. Good review. I would be curious to see what those slugs chrono out of that short barrel.
Out of that little revolver I have to agree, 45 Colt is better. However, out of a longer barrel 410 shotgun, those slugs pick up a lot of velocity and have a lot more energy than a 45 Colt.
I'm watching this series for at least the third time. I'd like to see Paul look at the Smith and Wesson governor with 45 ACP versus conventional 45 ACP, but I know he would probably just say "Why? I have done the dawn of time testing with the Judge, and the governor isn't that much different." I'd still like to see it :)
So I was looking for a revolver rifle. The circuit judge popped up. Wife saw it at a gun show the next day and fell in love with it. I put a holographic red dot on it for her and she can shoot chew can centers all day long at 100 yards. with it. She now has an Fn 5.7 and this. She will school people at the range with these. We must remember that there is that special gun for everybody out there. It's not always about having to "defend against an attack" when it comes to shooting. If that time ever comes I would rather have her comfortable with what she has.
Question. For stopping a threat, wouldn't you want the projectile to stop inside the target (like the .410), instead of passing through the target (like the colt .45, if we're observing the soda jugs)? For example, assuming they both have similar velocities, wouldn't the projectile that stops in the target be more effective at disabling the threat since all the energy will be applied to the target, instead of the projectile which passes through the target which would only distribute a percentage of the total energy with some of it end up being wasted as it passes through? I wish there was a way you can show this.
Hi Paul, so this is more for those who read the comment section than for you. So this video was produced in 2016 and the guys in the shotgun shell biz must have watched it because NOW!!! they have come out with a 3-inch shell with a 1/2 ounce slug that reduces cinder blocks into gravel. So consider this an update. Oh, and on a Postscript, the slugs are rifled and have a Muzzle velocity over 700. I suggest a wrist brace if you shoot it a lot.
my one issue with your price comparison is that, although ultimately i agree with the point you were making, bulk bullets will always cost less per bullet when compared to the same ammo sold in a smaller package, so to fairly compare you would need to use boxes with equal quantity, not just multiply the cost of the smaller box up.
You might want to consider using the .410 slug if your shooting in doors against an intruder. You do not want to over penetration and shooting through walls possibly hitting unintended victims.
When I lived out in the country, I would load my judge half and half (more or less). Birdshot, .45, birdshot, .45, 410 slug. I figured that would be the best combo between fighting off raccoons and intruders.
I apologize if I have missed this point because I didn't get all the way through part two but I have watched many of your videos and would definitely describe you as an above average shooter with above average confrontation training and experience. So what I am leading up to is that with buckshot in the judge and novice shooter (the majority of people) your point of aim could be off by a few inches on every shot and you could still potentially hit the target where as with a single projectile and same point of aim miss that same target. Essentially providing a larger margin of error for a shooter in a high stress situation whose aim could very easily be off target.
And also increase your chances of a flyer hitting a bystander. He covers the accuracy in the other two videos. It doesn't help your hit chance at all and it's so inconsistent you may hit the wrong target (like his did).
I think the only time i got the slug instead of 45 colt ,was the time the ammo store had 410 slugs ,but was out of all coly ammo . That is the only time i would consider it as a alternative.
I will have to contest and say that the 410 slug is better than 45colt in defensive situations, simply because of penitration. I also use the Hornady critical defense 410 in mine. I have shot meat targets and they are simply devastating. I would say that the Hornady critical defense 410 rounds are the best carry ammo for the judge. I would like to see you use them against your meat target and give your legendary opinion/review vs the others please. Thank you for all of your very informative videos.
So when is part 4 comeing? I think Paul secretly really likes the judge. That's why he keeps making these.
+Brains for Dinner I think he not-so-secretly enjoys disproving its usefulness. Not that it has to be useful to be enjoyed and worth owning, for those who like it, but this is a pretty sure way to make some general points in our ongoing firearms education, not just about the Judge specifically.
Part 4 should be the raging judge m513 since it can also shoot the .454 casull.
part 4 will be review of .45 cal bird shot.... and to your other point, I think Paul NOT SO SECRETLY likes shooting all guns, good or bad alike!!!
Part 4 out now!
Part four is out now.
I love how people treat the .410 bore. In a full-length, 28" shotgun it's often a youth shotgun for small game. Many states prohibit its use in deer hunting, and even where they do, most hunters wouldn't. Now you take that same shotgun, cut its barrel down from 28" to 3" and now people talk about it like it's the ultimate self-defense tool.
Isn’t that always the way with pistols? What is considered a little pea shooter in a long gun is often a seriously heavy pistol caliber
@@bluestatepaine yes and no. My point is that people see a handgun that takes a shotgun cartridge and think it's far more powerful than it is. Thanks to the way such guns are marketed, people often either don't know or forget that the .410 is a pea-shooter of a shotgun round. They further fail to consider that its ballistics are abysmal out of a short barrel. The box of slugs they buy will say 1/5oz slug at 1800 fps. Those specs are from a 28" shotgun. From a handgun, you'll get such a drop in muzzle velocity that those slugs would have energy more similar to a very anemic .45 ACP. The .45 Colt is the far more powerful cartridge out of a handgun like a Judge, and standard .45 Colt loads aren't all that powerful.
I've seen people gawk in awe at a Taurus Judge the same way they would look at a magnum revolver. The fact is that any magnum revolver's performance leaves the Judge in the dust and often can do it while being smaller and lighter.
I think the way the slug .410 stopped shy of going through the water jugs made a case for their use in apartments. In the case of a home intruder in an apartment you want to be confident that you wont have over penetration. These could have a specific application for apartments and inside a traditional home to avoid a round traveling through a wall into another room.
i agree. & when a projectile is stopped within a target it has no choice but to transfer all of its energy which is always a plus. a 110 grain slug traveling 1300 fps (i dont know the velocity of the slugs he was using, so im just guesstimating) & that expands to close to 1/2'' or even 3/4" an is stopped within the vitals is going to be alot more effective in my opinion, then a .45 that completely penetrates and expands half to 3/4 of what the slug will & doesnt transfer all of its potential energy. id much rather have a fast moving slug expand alot and stop in vitals rather then have something just make a decent wound cavity and keep on trucking till it hits a wall or someone else. but opinions are like butt holes, everyone has one. some would worry about not having enough penetration. say if it was cold and attacker had thick clothing on or something of that nature. either way i wouldnt want to be on the other end of the stick.
Federal guard dog ammo in .45acp does the same thing.
You'll get better performance out of other ammunition
223/556 varmint frangible ammunition
@@TheYamaha37 > opinions are like butt holes, everyone has one. some would worry about not having enough penetration.
LOL :-)
The 410 slug dumps all its energy into the first object. The fact it flattens out will cause extensive tissue damage. It also won't over penetrate a target or continue through a wall into the next room.
The thing is though, it needs to cause damage to vital tissues. Its limited penetration may mean it struggles to do so reliably. Sort of like how a hollow point propelled too quickly will struggle to penetrate adequately.
Yeah I'm curious how it would have done against the meat target
Dumps all its energy. And the meth head knife wielding murderer keeps coming because a few buckshot pellets aren't that effective.
@@knifedance2402 dude do you really think a 3oz slug at 344fps is going to struggle to penetrate a humans chest 3 inches deep? Come on man what the hell is it with you people? A toothpick is long enough to kill someone if stabbed into the right spot in the chest... You really fucking think a slug can't penetrate that deep?
This video has serious 90s energy and i love it
With 1980s video quality
your clarity and rigor is noticed and appreciated
The Judge’s effectiveness? “You be the judge”
With the .410's limited penetration but impressive initial impact I think it would make a decent home defence round.
My exact thoughts hawk. Hit intruder stop in dry wall. Miss intruder energy spent on 2 layers of drywall. Perfect night stand shoot before I get my glasses on gun.
Okay...so a shotgun in .410 then.
@@knifedance2402 a pistol is far easier to handle and maneuver in the tight spaces a home presents.
Hawk 1966 So you need a pistol? Why not have a pistol chambered in a more effective caliber then?
@@knifedance2402 I have, my edc is a Sig P365, but i acknowledge the usefulness of the .410 round as a home defense shell the when chosen carefully isn't likely to kill your neighbor or his dog and in a far more usable pistol it can be reasonably effective.
I am glad I saw these videos. One thing that I think you might consider mentioning is that the lack of penetration by the .410 slugs might be a positive if you are concerned with over penetration. Situations like an apartment building, or rooms where the shots might go through walls and into other people's houses. That's about the only benefit I would see to this pistol.
+Kelly McCauley As long as you hit your target with the 45, then over-penetration isn't a problem.
@@saul2577 that mound of dirt behind the jugs disagrees. did you not see the crater when it hit?
Its a novelty gun, I have one in Stainless, love the thing.
dave runner I went up to the Raging Judge...shoots .454 Casull, about twice a .44 magnum. It DOES present that over-penetration problem, and a sore wrist.
@@johnstewart8849 I have a 44 mag and i only have hard cast 44spl and fortscott tui and they both have way too much penetration im looking for some jhp so i dont put a hole in something i dont want a hole through
More then a novelty
The only reason why I have kept mine is because it was my pops.
federal 000 buck is not a novelty. That will kill with one shot over most handguns at in house ranges
Thank you Paul. I had wondered about this same subject a few months ago. I guessed what the results might be, but never tested (partly because I never bought any slugs). Well, now I know. I had guessed right, but there's nothing like knowing. Someone else here said you're becoming one of the best channels. You're certainly one of the absolute best in my book, and I appreciate your approach, presentation and work in creating these video's.
+Albert Pelletier Thanks. I'm glad you're finding the info useful.
@sheparddog117 Sheparddog,
Some people consider the AK platform to be very reliable and low maintenance. You mention deer hunting. Your point is well taken, but again, some people consider the 7,62X39 cartridge to be plenty of power for deer hunting.
Some people just think the AK platform is cool.
Some people use it because it's what they have or what they're familiar with.
you use the word justification. Luckily we don't have to justify why we like the guns or cars that we like. Can you imagine a woman trying to justify all the shoes she owns?
The bottom line is some people's opinions are different than yours or mine.
Great video as always. I have enjoyed all three of the Taurus Judge videos.
Paul, great work and thank you for your efforts. I was very likely to buy a Judge before your seeing your videos, now I'm going to go with a .357 with a 4 inch barrel. Thank you for helping me out in my decision making process and saving me disappointment and money.
There's a few reasons why I bought a Judge. One, the cost was about $400, two, the .45 LC is about as heavy a round as I reasonably need for where I live, and three, I appreciated the ability to load the thing with shot shells for small game hunting/ chicken coup guard duty. Although it would be pretty awesome to watch a raccoon explode after being hit by a 225gr bonded JHP, it's not worth the money for the ammo. Aw hell, and four, who doesn't want a pocket shotgun?
Hey I don't want to knock why you bought this particular gun. But $400 seems alot. You could just go with regular Mossberg 500 12ga for half the price, and arguably get a much more functional gun. As for pocket shotgun, my pockets aren't that big. The Taurus is beyond what I would consider good for concealed carry.
If you buy a gun because you just think it's cool then that's a very valid reason to buy it.
Get some caliber adapters , it turns it into a cheap a fun plinking gun .
Wow, that really helped with my decision on which to use, 45 Colt or Slug. I have a Judge as well as a bond arms Snake Slayer, and a Henry .410.
I don’t need to look for .410 slugs any longer.
Thanks for update three.
I really learn a lot from your videos. thank you for your hard work. very few what you do, prove what you are saying. shooting a firearms which most do really has no purpose. again thank you
Just purchased a Judge! This info was so helpful in my ammo choices!! Thanks!!
Great video as always, absolutely wonderful demo of the slug vs the .45!
Wow. I was wondering about those two types of ammo. This helped me make up my mind. Thank you.
For part 4 please do your meat and home walls tests with the judge or governor vs. the 38 357 and 1911. I think it will show you how the shotgun pistol can shine...lethal but without over pentetration. Please address hit probability with less experienced shooters under stress vs. carefully aimed shots by an expert like you. I think you will find he judge can outperform these other guns in the right circumstances like the real world ones I live in. It is a bit of a special purpose gun. But it truly can out perform others in the situations I mentioned, which are actually pretty common concerns, over pentetration, and average or below shooters under stress where penetration through apartment or thin and close home walls is a real danger.
An insightful and worthwhile follow-up - thanks!
I'm liking the .410 slugs.
For compact areas ya ain't gotta worry about over penetration.
Meaning the only thing not safe in doors is the threat. Thank you for the show of ballistics.
Very helpful, answered all my questions.
Excellent videos for educating gun enthusiasts
Thank you for the Taurus Judge series. Very informative. Appreciate your videos as I have just recently discovered them. This video series saved me from making a poor purchase. Thank you. Take care. :)
You just made my day. The purpose of this series was to help people make an informed choice. Glad it helped.
The Judge was, as I recall, originally marketed as an anti-carjacking pistol to be used at just past contact range with 8 or 9 birdshot. Target becomes hamburger minimal over penetration.
You're presentations are very good...thanks.
Thanks for making the Taurus Judge review part 3 video.
I've been wondering about this. Thanx Paul, very informative, ya learned me stuff.
0:22 Woot Woot! Nice special effects Paul. :) Production Value eat you're heart out. Love the vids
Hi Paul
Loving the vids and as I’m a shooter living in the UK I’m very jealous of the options available to you guys. I would love to see a 4th Judge video where you are shooting moving targets.. vermin / birds can be simulated with clays and may give a different point of view on the judge.
I have to agree with others who have stated over penetration is a detractor when dealing with home security or situations you want to hit the target and not what is in the next several rooms behind the target. Knowing how the gun and ammo work together is exactly why people need to practice their shooting with the ammo so you are in control of your shots and not just hoping it will do what you want and remove all uncertainty.
Love the videos, Paul. I think you are easily the best on youtube!
Great information Sir!!! I have a Polly frame dandy on it's way. For me I'll carry three OOO Buck and two Long colt in mine. Your testing has great points I must say. I just subcribed to your Chanel and blessings to you and your family 😇
Good Objective Information, Paul You are about the Most Objective Channel about fire Arm, without being Boring, Thank You
I have watched all 4 of your videos on The Judge.
First, thanks for the education.
Second, it is very important to me that I don't shoot through a brick wall. I want to stop an intruder in my home BUT I don't want to endanger others at the same time. So, I plan to load with .410 PDX1 or .45lc for in home self defense.
Johnny Coleman
SSG, US Army
Retired
GREAT! I'm glad the video helped you make an informed decision. The judge isn't the right gun for me (or a lot of other people) but it sounds like the right gun for you.
I only see three Judge videos up. Did Paul take one down?
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Just when I think i've seen most of these videos I ALWAYS see one I haven't seen before in the suggestions. Some kind of magic.
I'm reserving my judgement until you release part IV (kidding!).
Good review friend I had one of these .410/45 pistols back in about 2000 or 2001. It was junk, couldn't hit anything, never would even consider it for home defense.
I'm amazed at the amount of patience and fairness you displayed, reviewing the Judge three times xD I really thought it was the best gun for everything, until I saw your initial review - which is really disappointing. I have a lot of respect for the .45 colt, and thought the shotshell would do just as well (I know nothing about shotgun performance) as a normal shotgun.
But seeing as the .45ACP is just as powerful (arm swing) as the .45 colt OR MORE, I am not even sure I trust the .45 colt, anymore. I might just buy something like a 1911.
Either way, thanks for an awesome final (hopefully) review of a gun I really wanted to be the best. If I buy a .45 colt revolver it'll be a full size, 6 inch barrel.
Thanks. Don't lose too much faith in the .45 colt, it will get the job done. If you want to see the best use of a judge, it makes an appearance in our "shooting from a car" video.
So there is a part 4, sort of!
The 45acp was designed to replicate the original black powder load of the 45 Colt. The 45 Colt can be loaded to equal the 44 Rem Magnum in SOME handguns. I have one. Ruger New Model Blackhawk. I load it at 117fps with a 250 gr bullet, out of a 4.5 inch barrel. No need for 44 mag levels unless I'm going after a T-Rex.
But the .45LC is a cowboy round with historical significance, that alone makes it cool.
.45 acp represents the low end capabilities of the .45 colt, compromised for a semi automatic weapon that needed a comfortable grip with the magazine inside. The larger case allows for either heavier bullets, more powder, or a combination of both.
I have a Governor and while I don't think it's the end all be all gun, it certainly has a place in the handgun world in my opinion. I think they are about perfect for four wheeler riding or simply being out in the hills due to the variety of caliber and ammunition selection they can fire. And they're kinda light to be such a big gun (slightly less than 30 oz I think).
But mine really shines at just having fun target shooting. It's a blast shooting any kind of shotgun shell. And then being able to shoot 45 Colt and 45 ACP is extra nice too, especially 45 ACP due to cost.
Yep, last gun I would grab. It is accurate enough. I won't trust my life to it since mine is poor quality and broke after 26 shots.
Same goes for the rest of modern s&w products, i.m.o.
Pt 4 could you review the effectiveness of the 6 in barrel lol that's the one I plan on buying 😆 thanks for the Informative videos Paul
You’re a better teacher than all of my medical school professors combined.
watching 8 years later and my thought based on this is 410 slug is better for home defense to prevent over penetration
great video
Good information. I've wondered how the slugs would compare with the 45 Colts. I never bothered with 410s of any sort in my Judge. Shot shells realize their intended potential in smooth bores anyway, and rifled barrels drastically reduces its effective range. The Judge is a fun gun for when I want to shoot 45 Colt, but that's pretty much it. Otherwise, with 410 shells, it's pretty much an extreme close range weapon. Not a bad thing, I suppose, if you're using it to shoot at bad guys across a room inside your house. But then again pretty much all guns can do the same thing, and many of them could probably perform better than the Judge. It's the most popular "gimmick gun" ever produced.
this guy does awesome videos him Scotch ,nuttenfancy and Hickock 45 are the best out there thanks for your videos and time
I went with the Governor. It's more versatile, being able to shoot 45 ACP with moonclips, which is effectively a speed loader making it even better. Also, I've heard some bad stories regarding the Judge and having to take advantage of the manufacturers warranty.
I had a bad experience with my governor(broke after 26 shots). Poor quality and bad customer service are the reasons I will never buy another s&w. It does make it easy to look at gun stores/shows now.
I've never been a fan of this gun. But if you ever get a chance Mr. Harrell it be nice to see a review of the Judge with the 22lr, 9mm, and 38 special adapters.
Really like your vids paul ! keep it up my friend ....
Will the Taurus Judge rise again for a part IV? Hope not. You have done as thorough of a review as can be done. Great and thanks!
Hey Paul Thanks for your time & good work. I agree with pretty much everything you said about the Judge all valid points, for yourself & other seasoned shooters the Judge has almost No use. However for my wife, a person who goes to the range once maybe every two years. It's exactly what I would want her shooting in the house god forbid if there's an intruder & Im not home. For those exact reasons you mentioned our Judge is loaded with .410 Slugs. In all reality our rooms are less than 5yds across & I don't want penetration if she's the one shooting it. I'm counting on her missing at least 2 out of 5 rounds. That being said it also is a Hand Cannon, the shear size of it will scare off an unarmed intruder. She won't even have to fire if some creep is looking in the window & sees that on the other side.
If I'm home I'll grab my .40 that's all tactical or my 12 Ga 930. I would have to consider my backstop, I don't want her grabbing either one of those & shooting them; for the sake of others who would be home, & our neighbors so we've talked about what she's supposed to do.
This gives a whole new meaning to "you be the judge".
Great set of videos. You were certainly exhaustive in your research! Hmm, so when does #4 come out? LOL.
I like your review very unbiased
I sure do like your stuff, Thanks,
In my home state, a 45 LC revolver is allowed for deer hunting. However, the Judge doesn't meet the barrel length requirements. A shotgun with slugs is permissible, and there is no barrel length requirement. Therefore, the Taurus Judge could be used for deer hunting, and that is an excellent reason for the .410 slugs. On top of that, it is the only skeet gun which can be carried in a holster. How have I live my life without one of these fabulous firearms?
Am I being serious? You be the judge.
Taurus Judge Review Part Four, what's more effective as a club? The Taurus Judge, or a club. lol Just found your videos today. They're great.
I'm down to about 3 or 4 gun channels now..Thanks for being there and being who you are. Never change. I have a friend that carries a Judge with some sort of wonder ammo. Friend would be an exaggeration, more as comic relief. That and his ginsu knife make him a master ninja operator.
Yep. The Judge has been around for 20 years. The people most attracted to it are those with the least experience with guns.
Should do a part IV to see how well the 6.5 inch version does with the shotshells or slugs.
The 410 slug delivered COMPLETE energy transfer......therefore it flattened completely......the hitting and stopping power is unequaled. Any deer hunter that has downed a deer with a 410 slug will tell you....that thing will put 'em down! Thanks for the video.....I like the "JUDGE"
-Deer hunters who have used a .410 almost certainly use a long gun, which will produce higher velocities.
-.410 slugs are not as effective as other rounds even if they have been used to kill deer. Paul has used a .25 auto to kill a deer. It doesn’t make the .25 auto a good cartridge to hunt deer with.
-In the case of a pistol which can fire .410 slugs and .45 LC, the question isn’t the viability of .410. It is the viability of a specific type of .410 round from this handgun as compared to .45 LC. That viability is quite low, I believe.
All good points, and a good overall analysis. There is one point that needs to be mentioned. On target impact appeared to be the same, but penetration greatly differed. It's this very fact that makes the Taurus a viable indoor defense tool.
Would I hunt with a slug out of a Judge? No. Would I load the cylinder with both buckshot and slugs for self defense purposes? You bet.
i came more for the comparison of slug vs .45. Very good video sir.
Thanx Paul, I'm currently going through your CZcams videos backend-first. No one be alarmed that time is sideways, sort of
You have to love that if Paul hates a gun. He will not just do a video but he will prove exactly why he hates it. And by the end of the day you are going to feel the same way.
I think what you are missing in this review is... Never shoot at something unless you are willing to destroy what is behind it.
The slug seemed like it had way more kinetic energy than the .45
It may not have had the penetrating power, but if that slug didn't dispatch whatever target you were firing at... it would have absolutely knocked it on its ass without collateral damage.
You proved that the slug would be perfect in a home invasion/robbery/burglary because of this effect. I wouldn't want to harm someone behind my target. The slug would almost guarantee that desired affect.
Also, might I suggest and I know this might be a bit of a crazy notion... But go out and buy some flare rounds for a .410 flare-gun. This handgun could fetch you some food, fend off a bear, and signal for help in one bad camping trip.
The reason I feel this handgun is one of the best around is because of it's versatility. It is the swiss-army knife of the hand cannon... Plus if you are carrying a lever-action in .45 colt with this handgun, there is virtually no need to worry about ammunition compatibility.
Just my thoughts
"I think what you are missing in this review is... Never shoot at something unless you are willing to destroy what is behind it."
Paul spent over 20 years in the Marines and spent much of that time as a shooting instructor. He's won many shooting matches. No, Paul didn't miss anything.
The 45 has more energy than the .410 slug. The difference is because of how the slug expanded it transferred that energy faster. Whish is why the penitration was so low. If you used a bullet design that expanded better/faster the .45 would look more devastating. I would say it boil down to what you need or want from the round. Do you want one with more hydrostatic shock and less penitration, or one that has better penitration. That is a pretty common trade off with ammunition.
Great demonstration.
I have two Judges, one with a Crimson Trace Laser Grip, and enjoy them both. But if you're going to stick with .45 Colt because of accuracy realize the bullet has to jump a lot due to the .410-length cylinder. You might consider the Charter Arms Bulldog in .44 Special with the hottest factory loads you can find or some warm, not hot, handloads. It is more concealable than the Judge as well.
I recently discovered this channel via a friend’s suggestion when asking him some questions about the Taurus Judge. I love the content and have watched several other videos outside of the Taurus Judge. I watched all 4 Taurus Judge videos you made on and know that they are old, but I wanted to post this question here, and on the other 3 videos, in hopes of getting a response from someone. One point of discussion you mentioned was, “What are you buying this gun for?” To answer, I want to buy a ‘squirrel gun.’ When I am archery deer hunting, and not seeing deer, I get tempted to shoot a squirrel, or other small game (rabbit, quail, dove). Some of shots would be ‘up’ so firing a single projectile ballistic would not be safe and I need to fire shot. Carrying a proper shotgun while I’m archery hunting is not practical, but a sidearm would be. Since I don’t want an illegal ‘sawed off shotgun’ a 410 handgun might do the trick. I recently saw a 6.5” barrel Taurus Judge, cheap, at a gun store. But would I have enough lethal energy, accuracy, shot spread at a target that’s upwards of 20 to 25 yards away? Having watched your videos I dare say would 10-15 yards away be effective on small game? I think what I want is impossible, by the laws of physics, let alone man. What does the internet think about a “squirrel-dove handgun”?
Just carry more gear. Get a cheap hatfield single shot 410, cut it 16.5 inch barrel, cut stock short. Youth model short. Get a sling you can tie down decent. Compound/conventional bow or crossbow? I carry crossbow and 10 22 charger, but I can shoot skyline where I hunt.
You sir are a mad genius!!!
Hello Mr. Harrell,
Do you think that the Taurus Judge loaded with .410 slugs would be a good firearm for home defense purposes based on the damage it does to the intended target while not having to worry about over penetration through said target?
I also wonder if you will ever make a video on a list of firearms that you would recommend for home defense based on the characteristics I mentioned before regarding the Taurus Judge using .410 slugs (effectiveness on target and lack of over penetration).
Regardless, thank you very much for all the information you provide.
so that means the 410ga slug deposited all its energy in the first bottle which is good isn't it ?
I feel like there's a trade-off between penetration and energy transfer. The slug appears to do that fairly well... Honestly, the judge might be better as a smoothbore shot-shell only pistol; forgoing the 45 Colt altogether, and then the pattern shouldn't spread so far out so fast. Then use a good number of bbs instead of buckshot, or a slug plus bbs (if you roll your own, perhaps). Higher brass might help as well.
The only thing I could see is maybe the slug would be better inside a dwelling for home defense with out over penetration. Great video !
i understand it goes against the expressed intent of this gun (conceal carry and maximum spread) but i would love to see you do some tests out of the longer barrel version, just really curious because i do know people who carry it in the longer length as their open carry, great vid and God bless
love my circuit judge. wish someone would do a shot comparison between the original judge and circuit judge. I know it will be highly predictable but haven't seen anyone do it
Viewed the three Judge Reviews, all excellent.
If there is a Taurus Judge Review Part Four/update ... (or a "Shooting from Cars Part II" or a "Why Bring a Carbine Same Caliber as your Sidearm Part II" or ".410 Shotgun for Home Defense Part II"), ... it would be interesting to include or focus on the "Taurus Raging Judge M 513 Revolver" (Stainless Steel six shot Magnum w 6.5 inch barrel and 3 inch chamber) examining at least the .454 Casull, ( if not all the rest: .45, .410 and .45 S&W rounds, depending on which video update is relevant.)
Of interest: how would the Taurus M 513 revolver paired with a Rossi R92 454 Casull lever action or an appropriate .410 compare to the Ruger .357 GP-100 six inch paired with the .357 lever action (1873 or 1892), or for that matter, the other carbine/sidearm combinations already reviewed?
Good job Paul on this clip too, Nope i'm not today or tomorrow or ever buying a Judge revolver .. If i could ever convince myself i have a need for a gun like that it would be the S&W model .. But that's not gong to happen anytime soon from what i seen..
Wow your area has some very expensive 410's and very low cost 45 colts. I absolutley agree the 45 colts are better but as for cost in my area its the opposite here in Ohio. The only 45 colt ammo I can find locally is over a dollar a round for lead cowboy loads. Self defense rounds are even higher. 410's can be piccked up for 3.99 a box of 5 or 9.99 for 15 close to deer season around here. I can find it cheaper but have to drive for over an hour which off sets the cost quite a bit. Good review. I would be curious to see what those slugs chrono out of that short barrel.
Not sure if I missed it, but I would be interested in your thoughts on a Bond Arms derringer. It shoots 410 or 45 colt, or 45 Acp.
Out of that little revolver I have to agree, 45 Colt is better. However, out of a longer barrel 410 shotgun, those slugs pick up a lot of velocity and have a lot more energy than a 45 Colt.
I'm watching this series for at least the third time. I'd like to see Paul look at the Smith and Wesson governor with 45 ACP versus conventional 45 ACP, but I know he would probably just say "Why? I have done the dawn of time testing with the Judge, and the governor isn't that much different." I'd still like to see it :)
So I was looking for a revolver rifle. The circuit judge popped up. Wife saw it at a gun show the next day and fell in love with it. I put a holographic red dot on it for her and she can shoot chew can centers all day long at 100 yards. with it. She now has an Fn 5.7 and this. She will school people at the range with these. We must remember that there is that special gun for everybody out there. It's not always about having to "defend against an attack" when it comes to shooting. If that time ever comes I would rather have her comfortable with what she has.
"You be the judge."
Nice, I see what you did there.
Question. For stopping a threat, wouldn't you want the projectile to stop inside the target (like the .410), instead of passing through the target (like the colt .45, if we're observing the soda jugs)? For example, assuming they both have similar velocities, wouldn't the projectile that stops in the target be more effective at disabling the threat since all the energy will be applied to the target, instead of the projectile which passes through the target which would only distribute a percentage of the total energy with some of it end up being wasted as it passes through? I wish there was a way you can show this.
Hi Paul, so this is more for those who read the comment section than for you.
So this video was produced in 2016 and the guys in the shotgun shell biz must have watched it because NOW!!! they have come out with a 3-inch shell with a 1/2 ounce slug that reduces cinder blocks into gravel. So consider this an update. Oh, and on a Postscript, the slugs are rifled and have a Muzzle velocity over 700. I suggest a wrist brace if you shoot it a lot.
my one issue with your price comparison is that, although ultimately i agree with the point you were making, bulk bullets will always cost less per bullet when compared to the same ammo sold in a smaller package, so to fairly compare you would need to use boxes with equal quantity, not just multiply the cost of the smaller box up.
A good summary:
"The Taurus Judge: You be the judge."
Id buy a judge, but its gotta be the raging judge in 454...that makes alot more sense to me
You might want to consider using the .410 slug if your shooting in doors against an intruder. You do not want to over penetration and shooting through walls possibly hitting unintended victims.
That coat looks great for shooting, but I've been unable to find anything like it. Could you tell me where you got it?
When I lived out in the country, I would load my judge half and half (more or less). Birdshot, .45, birdshot, .45, 410 slug. I figured that would be the best combo between fighting off raccoons and intruders.
Wow, I've noticed the weather there sucks!
Great vid
I apologize if I have missed this point because I didn't get all the way through part two but I have watched many of your videos and would definitely describe you as an above average shooter with above average confrontation training and experience. So what I am leading up to is that with buckshot in the judge and novice shooter (the majority of people) your point of aim could be off by a few inches on every shot and you could still potentially hit the target where as with a single projectile and same point of aim miss that same target. Essentially providing a larger margin of error for a shooter in a high stress situation whose aim could very easily be off target.
And also increase your chances of a flyer hitting a bystander. He covers the accuracy in the other two videos. It doesn't help your hit chance at all and it's so inconsistent you may hit the wrong target (like his did).
I think the only time i got the slug instead of 45 colt ,was the time the ammo store had 410 slugs ,but was out of all coly ammo . That is the only time i would consider it as a alternative.
You're opinion has been pretty consistent in each review.
With three videos on it, nobody can say you didn't give this one a fair shot.
I will have to contest and say that the 410 slug is better than 45colt in defensive situations, simply because of penitration. I also use the Hornady critical defense 410 in mine. I have shot meat targets and they are simply devastating. I would say that the Hornady critical defense 410 rounds are the best carry ammo for the judge. I would like to see you use them against your meat target and give your legendary opinion/review vs the others please. Thank you for all of your very informative videos.
I’d love to see this series with the raging judge magnum. 454 casull. You can shoot 9mm out of it with adapters. 6” bbl.
4:10 - I was totally waiting for Paul to say "your Kung Fu is strong"
The taurus seems to be the definition of a close range apartment gun.
Kinda like a raging bull, so maybe that was the idea. Shot range but good kicking power that doesn't go further than the target typically
Your the man Paul