The Lexus RZ 450e Is Missing Something IMPORTANT...And That Makes Roman Grumpy!
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I enjoy these "Grumpy" reviews. They are honest and are a good representation of what a typical driver would would note when sharing information about the car with friends.
At first I thought “Lexus?!” But then all the things you were grumpy about were totally agreeable. We need more fun constructive criticism videos. Learned a lot.👍
Everything makes Roman grumpy! Definitely don’t road trip with him. 😀
Every employee there knows this. And anyone that follows TFL knows this. Anyone that does not know this, will learn the hard way.
Unless he buys the beer.
Great review fellas. Exposing this 70k scam EV from Toyota.
You were at a 150 station, so no EVs will get a charge rate of over 200kwh on a 150 station. My Ioniq 5 gets up into the 170's kwh, so this car is definitely slower charging than that, but may be on par with some of the other EVs it will be competing with.
I've been a Lexus car owner for many years and my es350 rocks on the road, but I'm disapppointed in this EV. I'm glad I got the Ioniq 5!
I'm a HI5 owner as well. There is no metric in which this embarassment of an EV effort by Toyota that comes close to the HI5, let alone beats it. A top spec HI5 is still $10k cheaper. I expect Toyota will be begging people to take these things off of their lots.
This seems like a solid first attempt car. The problem is that Toyota/Lexus/Subaru are so late to the BEV market (not counting compliance cars like the Rav4 EV from many years ago). But the competition are already on their 2nd, 3rd, or more generations of BEVs. I cannot imagine spending that much money on a car with no glove box. WTF?
Toyota really did a crap job of benchmarking the competition, to put it charitably.
My buddy is a Lexus die hard with his 20th Lexus. He currently is driving his 5th RX 350. He owned 2 previous RX 450H. He spent the weekend with an RZ full equipped with no 240V charger at home. I must admit the interior finish and toys are supreme. The range is the worst it can be with barely 150 miles. Although the dealer was eager to lease him this EV, he decided not to and will wait until his current lease is up. The fully loaded RZ 450 is 120K$ CAD. Good luck Lexus.
The original TFL duo doing a review is always refreshing to see. I think I have been watching you guys since the Roman Mica channel name days!
I remember when Lexus was a flagship, premium, product. For me a rebadged Subaru just doesn't do it for me.
I am a fan of this style of review haha! I know it's different but it's raw, and real
Three different beeps in the hopes that the driver is not deaf in all three frequency ranges…😂😂😂
You know why Tesla Superchargers don't have a screen, cause they don't need a screen! The car's screen gives you all the information, speed, cost, time to charge, miles added.
I've spent over a year with the KIA EV6 in Central Oregon. Abundant snow, ice and rain. Never once wished I had a rear wiper. For this specific car it's unnecessary. IONIQ 5 has a much more upright rear window so I could possibly see a case on that model.
This is meant to be a luxury car but Toyota cheaped out with a 71 kw/hr battery that has 63.5 usable capacity. The Ioniq 5 has about 77 kw/hr usable capacity. The onboard charger is 6.6 kw compared to the 11 kw on the ioniq 5. Toyota wasn’t really even trying to make this car competitive.
The connection no one seems to make about it not having a rear wiper, is that sedans are like this without rear wipers yet people managed fine with them.
It takes about 15 minutes and a bidirectional OBD-2 scanner to do away with all the default beeping that the corporate lawyers made them program into the vehicles loaned to you tube reviewers. My DB8BT made the RZ completely silent. All those beeps can be easily changed.
Looks like Cadillac lyric hit it out of the park.
I liked this review and format but the car is whelming, and hopefully EA does something about their stations, I visited the one nearest my house and it had two units down that day as well, I've only encountered about 8 broken supercharger stalls in over 100k miles and two downed sites (one hurricane flood aftermath, one site without power for a short while)
This video is way more funnier than it looks like😂😂😂. Great job 👍.
The Japanese bet on hydrogen. Oops.
29:33 I’m confused. It seems that the 10- 80% time is the only thing that matters. Who cares about the peak charging rate if it can’t maintain a high average charging speed. The average charging speed is baked into the 10-80% time. I do understand that this is still an incomplete metric as it does not speak to range.
You should include the snake as a gag from now own. "Why is there frigging snake in my car!
Great video!
I must have saw you guys driving this around in Erie. I was there this past Wednesday and was surprised to see one on the road. 🙂
the amount of beeps is just totally unacceptable. Actually detracts from the car experience. Glad you could point this out, no way would I buy this from the beeps alone, would drive me bonkers!
Does the shiny wheel arches make the wheels look really small to you?
That panel fitment is way below what we've come to expect from Lexus.
Every non Tesla EV review I’ve seen turns into charging fail video. I think automakers are joining Tesla on the plug standard for just that reason.
I like the format
I will bet a years wages that the beeps originate from Subaru. I swear we sold our Ascent due to the unbelievable amount of noises it made for every single little thing.
A Symphony of beeping going on for sure 👎 I think it is a Safety issue, as each time it starts beeping you are conditioned to start looking at the screens to see what it wants, taking your eyes off the road.
A very real and honest review of this new tech in cars! A lot of media sensationalizes a lot of that junk but this is very real world conversation about a new car.
Terrible range, so I guess this is just another compliance car.
Compliant in the face, rebellious (or intentionally dumb?) inside ?
Toyota works very hard to make bad EV, they want people to hate EV.
I drove one at a press event a few weeks ago. Have to agree with most of his criticism but disagree about the interior. Nothing about the interior looks or feels like typical Lexus quality. The steering wheel covering, in particular, has an odd feel. I’m sure Lexus wanted to be like the cool kids and swath the interior entirely in recycled materials. Honestly, Kia and Hyundai do it much better.
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Really like this relaxing and easy going “grumpy” reviews 👍🤗
Can’t wait till these get to 25k so I can be annoyed daily by its beeps and boops. I just want something nice to drive around town in that fits in my garage. Burning 1 gallon of gas in my f150 to get groceries is kinda dumb.
i drove one of these recently. i didnt even know it was just a warmed-over solterra, but it just didnt feel like $62,500 to me.
This is best in class, some people are just clueless
You accidentally switched the word "best" for "worst". Don't worry, we all have typos sometimes.
Definitely the worst! Especially at that price.
What class?
Well, I have no doubt some people will see this as the best among all Ancient Egyptian vehicles
Roman, that was a stright up lie about Tesla not having chargers on your Florida trip as I watched it. You always had a charger. You just don't know much about the navigation system.
They would get better range if they didn’t waste all that energy on the beeps.
Great video and I appreciate the honesty. The more I view videos of trying to charge, the more I am deciding NOT to purchase an EV at this time. Just not worth the hassle. Will stick with my gas vehicle and maybe in a couple of years, I will revisit.
Agreed. If anything, I'm going hybrid next time.
Was the finder trim by the charging port broken? Or does it just fit terribly?
It was broken
The slow charging and low overall battery range on these and Toyta's bz4x are all because Toyota really wanted for the battery to last for long time (the faster you charge rechargeable batteries = the faster they will degrade, same goes for capacity), something they have mentioned for both models. Unfortunately for many people it's not something that they care about, for them the faster charging (without daily limits on how many times you can do that) and higher usable battery range are most important things about EVs and this Lexus and Toyota-branded version of it will definitely not be something desirable.
And yea, the amount and variety of beeping warnings is really too much on this Lexus.
"The slow charging and low overall battery range on these and Toyta's bz4x are all because Toyota really wanted for the battery to last for long time (the faster you charge rechargeable batteries = the faster they will degrade, same goes for capacity), something they have mentioned for both models .. "
Really bad excuses. Toyota is just so far behind in BEV tech/expertise/capability.
They're more like a horse-carriage manufacturer in the early days of automobile
Did that charging stall share power with other chargers at the station? I'm curious how much of that 100kW charging speed was the car vs what the stall could provide with other's charging at the station. With
I was so looking forward to the Solterra/BZ4X/RZ450e to complement my 1999 Lexus SC400. The design and engine limitations really turned me off. 17,000 miles later, I'm very happy with my Ford Mach-e (don't call it a Mustang). Thank you for the honest video!
As a Ford Mach-e owner, I feel the pain of public charging. I can only hope that EA and EV Go get their s*** together. I don't know how many times I've pulled into an EA station and had the unit not functional. I've had to call EA many times.
Clearly there's a snake in all this high tech tomfoolery. I can't see the appeal to this at all. There's better for cheaper and a lot less hassle. If GM would upsize the Bolt they'd actually have a compelling offering!
Instead, they're discontinuing the Bolt.
While we often complain about the lousy build quality of the Teslas out there, we should also complain about the horrible compromises imposed upon us by legacy car manufacturers who build electric cars for the first time. Toyota should be embarrassed building such junk - small batteries, inadequate cooling and electrical components for charging, gimmicky radiant heating for knees instead of glove boxes, an overly complicated system of coolant lines and multiple radiators inside of the frunk, a lack of thought put into access for door pulls, and to hide such a juvenile and immature design a splash of expensive materials and finishes. Also, Toyota where is the software to enable charging station to station travel on long distance trips? Boy, if this is your best effort Toyota, you are going to die and fade away as a company.
7:52 The reason why the car is beeping is to remind you that it has lost detection of the Proximity Key (It occurs on many other vehicles) Hope this helps :)
So this is a competition for the $30k Equinox EV with little battery. Awde upgrade option. Or half price. 250 mile range 150 kW DCFC and less beeps.
I am tired of manufacturers dismissing the presence of a frunk by saying owners rarely use them. The honest answer is their engineering is simply not there yet. Every bit of space matters when going to Costco or to the airport.
I can ask electric Ford Explorer last night. It looked similar in the front to the Lightening, but not the headlights. I didn't see a light bar in the back, but it was in the front. The body was sleek. I had no idea they were making one.
Hello guys. I love your reviews and your honest acting, but I have some info of Lexus RZ I would like to share with you. Because of the common way of long distance travelling by car in the US you need fast charging and too heavy batteries for long range vehicles. Personally I think we need more delopment of the batteries before we have evs suited for fast long traveling without too heavy cars. And I'm sorry to tell if all electric vehicles were built after this goal I would not have been able to be moved anywhere inside an ev. A lot of people including me got too high immunresponce from a vaccine that led to the immune defence system attacked the nervous system. A normal reaction from this is that people getting paralyses and can have tought inflammations making them disabled for life, and attacking all sorts of muscular systems including heart and lungs people are exhausted and bedridden for years. And it's no good if lunge- or heart inflammations is growing. This disabled people often become hypersensitive for sound and vibrations such as from the road and the car. And every time you have to visit a hospital for control and treatment in emergency or all sorts of other vehicles you might getting worse and exhausted for weeks with the illness growing. My family was watching me and feared for my healf and life because I was growing worse after transport for every needed treatment, and they started testing a lot of vehicles trying to make all the transports themselves. At last they had picked out a few all too expencive evs, but these also had a sort of noise and vibrations which I'm getting completely exhausted from. These costly evs had long range and a weight of more than 2,5 tons with the most advanced air suspensions. And even if they were quiet and the owners love the comfortable ride, some told they were surprice that they still needed a short break for streching their legs after 3,5 hours. At last my family tried a Lexus RZ 450e, and it was surpricingly better than all others even on 20" wheels (rims) and without air-suspension. After a change to 18" wheels they drove me as a passenger back and forth to the hospital without no problems for more than 90 minutes. When I became bedridden my lovely wife helped me and feeded me for months, and after all transport by family and friends in this Lexus I'm not growing worse from every transport any more. In average an Norwegian car runs around 7.500 miles/year, and some people are driving longer distances, but most people are not making many longer trips a year. Now I haven't permissian to drive a car, but as menthioned my lovely wife bought this car trying to bring me through this scary illness. She has normally been driving aprox the double of the average Norwegians with aprox 15.000 miles/year (24-25.000 km/year) using the car in commuting, visiting family and friends she normally are noti near the rangelimit. And even before I became disabled we just where driving longer distances in vaccations, and loved a break at the same time as the car. In these few longer trips we normally either topping up for a few extra miles or taking 30-40 minutes break for 80 % charging maybe only 1-2 times a year. Ofcourse she has 18" wheels with the comfort from higher sidewalls of the tire, longer range, a cheaper ride both in electric consumtion, tire wear and lower tirecost in the price of each tire which will last longer. The 1100 pounds lighter vehicle than the most costly ev my family testet gives better handling with no need of air-suspension, and of course we love the shorter braking distance og a lighter car. As menthioned I understand the long range focus on in the US, but with the batteries for the time being I think some of the benefits I love with evs are dissapearing. Thanks for your reviews.
I own Luxus CT200h hybrid, drives nice goes good and has a spare (space saver) in a big country like Australia a tyre repair kit is BS. FYI In a hybrid Lexus in sports mode the steering stiffens and in a hybrid accelerates better.
It looks great !
I know that charging spot. Tommy goes there when he does gym work outs. 😉 I believe he had similar issues. As in, he already discovered that location sucks for reliable charging stations. Wonder, did this spot purposely get used so Roman could continue to point out grumpy situations? Surely Tommy told him, don't go there. Think I seen that 2nd station being used where they found the snake too. Oh, Roman, guess what, 2nd potential dangerous scenario at a charging station over going to a gas station has been made now. Will you concede that fact or gloss over it? 😜
As if he ever listens to Tommy 😅
Love this format. Honest and hilarious!
9:30 conference rooms since the 80's have had this.
Yup, I attend conferences twice a day everyday 24/7, that's how I know this tech
Great format, keep it up!
I always know where you guys are coming from on your reviews. I don't always agree but I sure enjoy the content.
No Teslas have rear wipers. It’s not a problem. If you park outside in a snow storm - you’re going to need an ice scraper anyway. 😊
I'd rather have the new Prius than that. The fact that I could have two Priuses? Wow...
So much tech, I'm glad you didn't run over that guy and his dog.
This is better
I don't get the wiper thing. So you don't drive sedans? Is it not the same? Slant seems similar.
A hydrophobic treatment solves the problem. RainX, aquapel, etc.
What a mess of a vehicle
That charging speed is as exciting as NACS V2 that needs cold rags to keep from thermal throttling down to 40kW. 🤭30:14
$67k car and 100kw charging🫣. My used $30k 4 year old model 3 standard range does 175kw. I loved my old Toyota ICE trucks but Toyota is at least 5-10 years behind with EVs. Pretty car with craptastic charging.
But will those wheels stay on the vehicle?
How long will those LCD glass roof panels last? LCD screens have a finite life, and being exposed to harsh sun and temperatures makes me skeptical they will be good after 10 years
They aren't LCD. It's an electrostatic process. So you apply a voltage and it changes. You apply the opposite voltage and it reverses. There is no constant voltage and current like there would be for an LCD. Mercedes uses a similar process for it's colour changing paint job. Look up electrochromatic glass.
@@mondotv4216 Internet research I did shows they have life similar to batteries - about 10 to 20 years. Not bad, but I still doubt they make over 10 years with harsh sun regimes and temperature conditions. Modern cars are meant to last 10 years no more I guess.
It is made in Japan, so hundreds of years..
@@bartwaggoner2000 I guess if you garage the car it will last longer, just like paint. They use the same tech for window tinting in some expensive corporate buildings so it has to be reasonably robust.
@@allentoyokawa9068 keep this junk in Japan!
EA could at least light up the panels red when down so people don't waste their time puling into the spot. But that would make too much sense.
They don't want to do that as their stations would all be broadcasting how bad their reliability is. LOL
This car is Lexus version of the Cadillac cimarron
Ha! Classic!
No comment on the Niro PHEV charging, Roman, or did the snake cause you to miss it?
I was expecting you to say it had no cruise control 😀
This😂
The question is will Toyota be able to make a competitive EV when they get serious or will the competition have pulled ahead too far? I imagine the loyal Lexus customers who buy this will eventually feel burned.
Lexus owners are usually older so they may think this is amazing tech.
I agree. This isn’t a car for an EV enthusiast, but for someone new to EVs who is going to drive around town it could be fine. I wouldn’t expect this to be super competitive, but with a bigger battery, a better onboard charger and a better instrument cluster I might think Toyota was actually trying. I’m guessing they have built these either because they feel they have to something out there or because it gives them data for the next build. I’m as impressed by the Koreans as I am unimpressed by Toyota.
This is someone’s second or third car
@aussie2uGA there is nothing wrong with the tech. Toyota and Lexus want longer lasting EV batteries hence the limit to the charging speed. Any manufacturer will tell you to use superchargers sparingly to preserve the battery.
@@Justmejbful interestingly, recent long term reports show little difference in the Tesla packs that supercharged often vs level 2 home charging.
I want to see Roman and Tommy , review the new RR Spectra
Out of Spec guys complained enough about charger unavailability 😒
My 4 year old Genesis G90 does fine without a rear wiper.
Some fair criticism here for sure, but also some grumpy old man nitpicking, such as with the door handles lol.
It is not fair, but foolish
😂 😂 😂
Dang, Lexus/Toyota!
(again - 3rd video review I've seen on this vehicle).
Thank you for the video!
They focused on battery logevity as opposed to quicker charging. How often to people really use superchargers anyway? It's definitely not a road trip car for sure.
Putting a cubby up front would not impede passenger space if they packaged the components better under that hood. Tons of wasted space. How is the range so bad with that big of a battery? All the beeps are common in the Chinese market, so I am wondering if this was intended to be Chinese market focused, I don't care enough to bother to Google it though.
My Toyota has that backdoor beep. You can turn it off.
Wow range is crap!
I understand the need/benefit of automotive partnerships, but Toyota teaming up with Subaru (the company who has not been able to even muster a 1/2 decent/affordable/practical hybrid) for an EV? They would have been better off teaming up with their other sometimes partners in creation by trying to make some kind of BMW/Lexus EV collaboration.
I'm not impressed with this Lexus, but I like the Grumpy old man videos! I prefer the Tesla interface. As Nathan said, the screen's just one more thing that can go wrong. Plus all the button pushes and wait time between steps. Reminds me of the pump at my local gas station. A half dozen button pushes before I can fill my vehicle. At least EA isn't giving you a commercial at max volume while you're charging 🤣
Great review Roman/Nathan, nice car ,although this will be a tough sell in US at $67095.00 with such a short range and i could easily hear all the tire noise in the video, that isa not Lexus quality , Subaru yes, the 2023 Camry my neighbour has is quieter than this Lexus, Americans are sticklers for range and rightly so, you'll see many new EV shoppers pass this by, like you said there's way more to choose from for allot less money by $10,000 and qualify for the Gov,t rebate, i can't imagine what it is going to cost here in Canada probably $75-80k, and the range n winter will be 100 miles at best 💩
That's a 40k EV at max, Tint that GD roof and put the extra money where it needed, like the battery and motor
umm it is worth closer to 100k, you don't know what you are talking about
@@allentoyokawa9068 exactly what I’m trying to say, just slabbing a Lexus badge don’t make it worth more.
@@allentoyokawa9068 terrible!
@@jonvb2439 I recently test drove a Model Y, as well as this Lexus and the Subaru Soterra. The Model Y is a non-starter for me. Too much road noise, and WAY too much road vibration makes its way into the cabin. It's just unacceptable for a car of that price. The Subaru and Lexus are in a completely different class when it comes to that. The Lexus is (of course) a bit more refined in both of those categories, but the Solterra is great as well. Also, the lack of panel gaps, and having a car put together properly are nice as well.
@BeefJerky9999 you sound exactly like that salesperson at the Toyota dealership
Can it play "Moon River"?
This car is not competitive. Its range and charging rate is about 3 years behind the market. As such, its price should be at least 20% less. Furthermore, rich people are notoriously impatient. That slow charging rate is a big miss.
The screen looks nice, but it's much smaller than the one in my Tesla
Toyota/Lexus screen size is kinda OK but the software/UI seems horrible
@@drive-channel1834 I think Tesla should start consulting on how to make vehicle UX
Oh boy, do I love my Tesla!
I am one of the few......I love the name, bZ4X. I nicknamed her Bab Z.
It’s bout time both car manufacturers & charging stations operators develop tech to let customers know if charger is operating or down instead of driving miles to find a dead unit
They do
Lexus dropped the ball on this car. IMO, it damages its reputation on quality and craftsmanship.
umm they didn't drop anything, you clearly have no clue what you are talking about
I'm always reminded how Nikola Tesla said batteries were a dumb idea.
SO Basically it's an SUX6000
Don't know about that, but I'd buy the Lexus for a dollar 😄
@@aaronw8606 yeah because you are afool
I didn't think this was grumpy, but informative. Go for it Roman, pick it apart.
I mean Roman does complain a lot, but honestly there's no compelling reason to buy any of the Toyota platform EVs.
Umm this is as good as it gets, so yes there is plenty of reasons
@allentoyokawa9068 you sound like a grumpy Toyota salesperson
I'm all for EVs but if the vehicle cannot go at least 300 miles in 20°F, then what's the point?
Roman is grumpy and rightly so.
The base EV is just unfortunate. 70+ kW and under 200 miles range. That’s like 2.8 miles/kW BEFORE winter happens to the range…..
One day, i hope, one can drive to a fast charger and not think about it failing, and not have to worry about having a stupid account or app. One day