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Dark Lord Melkor (Morgoth) - Epic Character History (Part I)
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- Melkor, later named Morgoth, was the first dark lord in Tolkien’s legendarium, and he is responsible for the strife within Arda. Let me know your thoughts about Melkor in the comments below! Thank you all so much for your support! I’ll see you all next week with part two of Melkor’s history! As always, a great thanks to the online artists whose visual works made this video possible! If you are one of the artists, please let me know and I will post your name and a link to your work in this description!
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I used to think Sauron was the most evil dark lord in all of fiction... then i found out about Melkor.... not even close
Jeb Payne morgoth makes Sauron look like a bitch by comparison
Same here. Turns out one of the most infamous villains in fantasy history was just the real baddy's sidekick.
Sam Rosania I like to think of it as Sauron having learned from morgoth and succeeding him after the war of wrath
Jake Alter he did learn much from melkor, a section of the silmarillion i just read talked about it when he took over the isle of werewolves. Sauron never comes close to the deeds of melkor though.
Jeb Payne that’s a given since he is only the strongest maiar while morgoth was the second most powerful being after eru and was the most powerful vala
Melkor is by far the most powerful and persistent villains in any Fantasy type universe. Really puts Sauron into perspective when you learn who the REAL dark lord was lol
Darren Fred
As the Valar are generally given more power and authority over Earth than angels, Melkor is indisputably more powerful.
He surely is the most popular or epic, but the Spider Queen freaks me out, too.
I wouldn’t say in all of fantasy
I think it might be a malformed question to ask who's more powerful out of morgoth and satan. it seems they practically are the same character just in a different context. much like eru is the Christian god. it would be like asking who's more powerful out of aslan and jesus
jhibbitt1 Key difference: Ainur conceptualized all aspects of the physical world and Eru merely gave their ideas life. God creates angels as mere greater powered servants. Valar are more akin to gods themselves.
A spider so terrifying that "Satan" screamed in fear?
Ruddy hell.
Not even close, Melkor was made by rolemodel of Lucifer aka Satan aka Mephistopheles aka Baal...Lucifer wanted to kill his brother Izual by demonology and than first sin was born, envy...This is still in2020 bigest problem in society, it came from illiteracy bc most ppl are still very limited in brain, education have nothing with it... So Melkor is bad but Lucifer is Prime Evil man
dustisdeadbodies85 No, Lucifer fell and his name changed to Satan, it says so in the Bible.
Isaiah 14:12, 14:16, and 14:17. I may have misunderstood, but I also read something else which I can give you the link to if you so desire.
dustisdeadbodies85 You're welcome, if you want the website feel free to ask.
@dustisdeadbodies85 You too. We shall agree to disagree.
I remember I used to think Sauron was the most powerful evil being in Tolkien’s universe
and then I read the silmarillion
Theres always a bigger fish
Yeah Sauron was AA to Morgoth's Major League. Wars with Morgoth literally changed the face of Middle Earth.
There are way bigger fishes than Sauron
What I would give to see just one scene of Sauron interacting with his master Melkor/Morgoth
It'd be like seeing a hardcore evil version of Dr Evil and Mini me...
I can just imagine Melkor/Morgoth standing above his armies of Balrogs, Dragons and Orcs with his most trusted lieutenants Sauron and Gothmog at his sides...what a sight that would be..
I really hope they put like a flash back in the new Amazon series that will take place during the second age, it could be a flash back about something melkor taught sauron or something just something so that we could see melkor on screen
Listen to track 1 on Blind Guardian’s “Nightfall in Middle Earth” - an audio drama answering your wish, leaving only your imagination to fill in the visual
Damn these ancient elves were honestly fearless 😳
I always imagined the singing of the Valars as, Morgoth blasting and singing ACDC, trying to overpower the others who were singing a church hymn 🤣
Thunderstruck ⚡
You have it backwards....
lol, I can imagine other Ainur singing meditation music - pure, angelic and with discipline, while Melkor suddenly just takes off, by screeching in "core" and beatboxing dubstep.
*music of the Ainur.
😂😂😂😂😂
Morgoth is essentially the ego of Illuvatar. The largest portion of his mind and his biggest competing force of thought amongst all the offspring of his thoughts. Our egos seek to prioritise the individual over the whole, to remake things in their own image through envy and insecurity. Morgoth is the ultimate god of fear because he IS fear, is ruled and made manifest by his own fear - of insignificance, impotence, and the inability to love.
Great comment. Agreed.
Illuvatar is far above ego. Melkor is enslavement to the ego and desire rather than respect for the hierarchy of creation. The Catholic philosophy of enslavement to one’s own vices versus the true freedom to be above one’s own base wants. Morgoth is base want and vice manifested in one elemental of domination. Morgoth is analogous to mortal sin. He knows what he is doing is wicked and chooses to do it anyway.
Pretty much he wanted to be a creator it is incapable of working in harmony with other beings even his own father thus his creations will only be sub par
As soon as I saw this I clicked with no hesitation.
Same
Definitely same here
My friends keep telling me to dress less goth, but I prefer Morgoth
i was told the hall only had one door, but i found mordor along the hallway
Glorious hahaha
I was always told the story lies within Lothlorian
I'd give this reddit gold if that's where we were lol
I don’t give a dandy fuck, I prefer a Brandybuck.
*Here is an interesting "What If": what if there was never a Durin's Bane in Moria?*
-Cory Morgan
I am quoting this comment from the Dagor Dagorath video because it really caught my interest, and there were some really cool and important things that people pointed out in the replies. It's incredible as a minimal change in one historical fact can change everything, I think this is the beauty of the "What If". I organized everything that seemed to be important here, so Yoystan can take inspiration and make another awesome video:
>The Dwarven influence could have extended throughout the Misty Mountains
>Dale would likely not exist, or be very poor, since there would be no Erebor to create the commercial routes
>The Wars of Dwarves and Orcs would not have happened, so the Orc population would be greater by the time of the War of the Ring. Or, maybe, their population wouldn't be so great at all, since there would be no Moria for then to hide in and procreate, and the powerful dwarven kingdom would likely hunt them down
>The Dwarves maybe would have helped more in the War of the Ring
>If the Dwarves continue digging and hoarding treasure, would Smaug attack then that far south? Could they dig too deep and find the "Nameless Things"? Personally, that last hypothesis could end up FAR worse than the Balrog
>There would be no battle of the five armies
>Moria means no Erebor, which means no Quest for Erebor, which means no Bilbo going out in an adventure, which means no Ring. This is huge, probably the greatest change
It will take a long time, but I hope this video comes out(maybe more than one video, because of the different possibilities).
Thanks Yoystan, continue your awesome work
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João Pedro I approve of this! Lol!
So, since posting the initial question on the Dagor Dagorath video, I spent some time pondering, and I came up with what I would refer to as the "Absolute Worst Case Scenario" here. It goes something like this:
Assuming no Balrog and the dwarves continue to dig, eventually they make contact with dark, Nameless Things in the roots of the world.
These beings, so terrifying were they that even Gandalf dared not speak work of, and so old that they existed before Sauron himself, kill all of the dwarves in Moria, and eventually break out into the greater, upper realm of Arda. However, something pulls at them, and the sense a power not unlike their own coming from two different directions: One from the region of Erebor, and the other from the forest of Mirkwood.
They pursue the strongest force first, and quickly find the creature Gollum who they dispatch all the while he screams of his "precious."
They then find the Ring, which the had sensed contained a great power within. Being older and closer in power to Melkor than Sauron, the great leader of these Nameless Things takes the Ring and becomes it's absolute master, dominating the Ring fully and taking it's power for its own.
With the Ring, they are now able to sense to other force, and even bid it come to them. Once it (the still weak Sauron) does, they enslave him and command him to teach them of the upper world.
With the knowledge of all other races and every other secret Sauron has ever had, the free peoples of Middle Earth are either killed or enslaved quickly, and the last we see is Sauron building boats preparing to travel to the Undying Lands and seige even the Gods themselves.
Cory Morgan The Nameless Things are, in fact, a very interesting subject. There is one more thing I want to mention regarding then: when Gandalf reports his battle with the Balrog, he says that they fought *beneath the living earth, where time is not counted*. We are told that time only exists in Arda, so could they be fighting *outside* Arda? It was originally flat, and if the Nameless Things came from the Void, they probably entered in the unknown region below. When the world was made round, maybe they were bounded inside of it, but some passages to the Void remained, much like the Eldar Route to Valinor, but much more terrifying
@@JoaoPedro-qp9cw what do you think Are these nameless things? I think that they could Be: 1.corrupted Maiar or 2.The darknesss itself in the phyisical form(Ungoliat)?
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One thing is for sure: they have their utmost source in Ilúvatar. I believe the Nameless Things may br echoes of the Discord of Melkor, unintended corruptions of the Void. Alternatively, they may be older than the Ainur, and have their origin in a time known only to Ilúvatar. Why would he create them? I have no idea, but there is potential por interesting theories here
@@JoaoPedro-qp9cw Well the only known thing that Eru didn’t create was the darkness itself.We know only one phyisical and that is Ungoliat.There Are maybe more phyisical forms or the Pure form(I mean that It could Be that at the depths of Arda could have source of the darkness.Maybe Melkor saw the Darkness in his journeys through the Void which gave him a big impact so it could have been one of the reasons why he became the Dark Lord.
Morgoth is honestly one of my most favorite villains in Fantasy, both because he has such a deep history and played such a huge role in the History of Arda. And Tolkien obviously took much inspiration from Satan from Christianity, because he was a devout Catholic (I am a Catholic too coincidentally). He is overall a villain I very much aspire to create when I become a writer someday and hopefully build a great world that can stand among Tolkiens Masterpiece of a world! :)
Luke Skywalker the 2nd he was not making a mirror to chriatianity, sorry, hates allegory and is a scholar of deep antiquity and found a way to introduce allllot of what was forgotten knowledge to many now days, yes? Trust me doing alllllot of studying on him and his work will show what he was really doing, re reading alllll of his works will broaden ones mind that's for sure! Hense the blueblood elite kept trying recruit him. Not for no reason at all. And i proudly can admit that he denied them every time. A true awake soul.
Luke Skywalker the 2nd again, he hates when interviewers claim that's what he is doing, it was not a mirror for the bible, which have alot of issues of it's own to solve. Was not at all. Listen to the man himself state that is to return a culture back to england to call its own, to revive an ancient world that was nearly burned completely by christians and many other groups. He haaaaaates allegory okay? He made a souly different world for the goal of restoring ancient knowledge. Study his scholarly work, specially in regards to the pleidies/seven sisters star system and how it resembles alot of things within his works. This man even outside his work was always studying anything to do with that realm/cluster/world. He was a very wonderful man. Trust me, if a total christian took hold of the movie, it would be basically an advert to join the faith, lol. Not bashing you nor Catholics, just saying they got allllot if stuff from thousands of years back to this day to answer to, so yeah. Haha. Tolkien is awesome and i adore him!
Makkaru112 he said he never meant to “copy” Christianity, that doesn’t mean that you don’t finds elements, and inspiration from Christianity...
what is sauron than?antichrist.
Laki PC Both Sauron and Melkor is in a way Antichrist.
"Tulkas, champion of the valar" *picture is Garruk from Magic* I know it's hard to find fitting pictures, i just found it funny.
He uses the Mirari in the palantiri video as well
@@znmckague quite alot of pictures are MTG Art :p they're just to good not to use when you see them. lemme see 1:01 3:08-3:36 9:08 9:28 11:05
@witch blade Melkor was as powerful as he was because he was pretty good at everything, but he wasn't as good at any one thing as the other Valar. So Melkor was better at combat than the other Valar, but not as good at it as Tulkas, just as he could command water better than any but Ulmo, etc.
*plot twist* Tulkas was Garruk this entire time
I noticed also lol
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Great video. Morgoth, the greatest villain in any story genre, without a doubt. Most evil, greedy, and destructive. Can't wait for the next part.
Uhhh. He died. He was thrown out like garbage. Karma for bad people.
Faded he is not dead
I think Sauron was the more interesting villian yeah Morgoth was more powerful but Sauron had the better and more fascinating storyline.
He is basically lucifer allegorically speaking. Their deeds add up almost point for point within their respective narrative.
dont know if he was more evil than sidious, but way more powerfull he was for sure
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Thanks for the support, I'm glad you both like it!
I hope you go into Morgoth motivation. If I remember correctly, in one of Tolkien's letters he noted Morgoth fell to a nihilistic hatred of Eru and creation itself. Therefore, he dominates not maintain perfect order (like Sauron) but to turn all things to the inverse of how Eru made them just to spite him (though this is a bit of speculation).
earganon That's what I remember. It's so badass tho, honestly makes him a top tier villain imo.
A concept that his enemies simply couldn't understand initially, they were pure, innocent children and he was the old cynic.
He was part of Eru's plan I believe, he was impatient before he went into the void, meaning he was created that way by Eru directly right?
I think even his supporters did not fully understand his purpose, or Sauron certainly seeing his goals and motivations were wildly different to his master's.
Furthermore, I'm with you on Morgoth being part of Eru's plan, though we should not underestimate the possibility of him being able to oppose Eru's designs (however feeble) willfully through the use of free will. However, I don't think Eru's to blame. Consider he would've known a world where his children walk free requires evil or else they can not choose the good/noble. So perhaps he set the pieces in place and when Morgoth choose the fall, allowed him to (again a lot of speculation, using a bit of religious argumentation for the problem of Evil, which I'm sure Tolkien would've known).
I'm so tired I thought you were inspiring me to be like Melkor and I was so confused 😂
YESSSSSSSS!!!!!! I've been waiting for this I swear to god you're one of the best CZcamsrs out there
yikes
It says something when you realize that as powerful and terrifying as Sauron was, this is the guy that he worked for.
There are too many crap vids on middle-earth lore on the web... but yours are quality work! Well done!
Melkor Morgoth
I've always loved that his name translated is
"The Black Foe of the World who Arises in Might."
How did Tolkien come up with all of this? Just amazing.
Drugs
Just imagine how many movies and series this tiny piece of source material alone could spawn if done correctly. This man's mind was truly amazing.
EXCELLENT videos my dude! It's like the spirit of LoTR and Tolkien is coming back lately. Do you feel it?
Thanks man! I feel it too!
Well fantasy has been quite popular the last couple of years thanks to Game of Thrones.
Well Tolkien is getting a movie sooooooo.....
For metal fans out there listen to nightfall in middle earth. An album by blind guardian about morgoth and middle earth
You are the best Tolkien themed Chanel on CZcams! Keep up the great vids man!
ThePhilosophersGames is better imo; more research done, much more accurate to lore and pronunciations.
Gunner 240B agreed, who does this guy thinks he is
8:38, I want that as a poster, that is so savage, it's metal as hell.
Yo you have some of the coolest pictures/drawings in this video. 3:15 sparked my imagination like nothing before.
Voldemort: I am the most evil dark lord in the world.
Melkor: **scoffs** Children, Hold my crown.
Ya not even close Voldemort was human and Melkor was basically a God. (Archangel)
Long ago, Children of Iluvatar were living together in peace and harmony. Then everything changed when Morgoth attack.
Morgoth was always a pain in the ass. Even during the song of creation he was screwing up the groove.
@@Powermad-bu4em yeah, he was the one character in Tolkien’s world I think was just Pure Evil, even Sauron wasn’t that bad, or Ungoliant, she was more of a hungry beast.
Melkor, being the greatest of the Valar, who fell into darkness... sounds like Satan/Lucifer to me.
Nope
@@therion5458 yes
@@therion5458 he actually based his books on his own personal religious beliefs, he said so himself
@@GabrielGonzalez-un7rx doesnt matter what he said out loud. the valar and maiar are dead on for a 50/50 blend of greek and norse religion.
"the secret fire" etc. all concepts from texts like the Chaldean Oracles and other PRE-CHRISTIAN documents. none of which are present in any christian traditions aside from christian gnosticism. you dont have to like it, and you can stand on the ground of tolkien virtue signalling about his judaic cult beliefs, but the characters and concepts dont in any way line up with christian doctrine or belief until you back up so far you at a level of vagueness where you can say "good verse a corrupting evil" .. thats the only level that it can be said to "match" christian cult beliefs.
@@GabrielGonzalez-un7rx for example, this speech reads like a paraphrasing of several sections of the Chaldean Oracles. the references to solar magic, etc. continue to solidify the eruopean paganism that is inherent in the entire world tolkien built.
I always imagine the music played by the Valars in the beginning of times like this: while most of the Valars are trying to play classical music in the form of Chopin or Mozart, Melkor comes in and plays some sort of heavy metal Iron Maiden rock & roll, ahahahahaha xD!
He'd probably play some Black Metal
Aule invented heavy metal
Morgoth would definitely not play Heavy Metal, especially not Iron Maiden. That is not so him. He is Black Metal and Funeral Doom for sure or some Death Metal.
Morgoth would play the music of the band Morgoth :D
Every one is playing joyful Mozart music while Morgoth is playing Chopin’s Funeral March.
(I like Chopin better)
Yet again, another excellently done video.
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Great video! No villain in literature is as great, dark and ruthless like Melkor and this is what makes him so fascinating. Cannot wait to see the second part of your video.
Amazon should consult with you for their upcoming ‘Lord of the Rings’ streaming series.
HindsightPOV they spent A BILLION DOLLARS getting the rights. I’m sure they have professors on this shit.
@@cbrreezzyy69 Yeah, sure. Maybe a woke "professor"
@@GenX-RadRat oh god no
@McGuffinTop: And I will be by your side, perhaps I can be the new Sauron?
or maybe they should just read the silmarillion...
"He who arises at night" sounds like me, I'm nocturnal, I work all night, and sleep all day.
*in might.
I mean, we all know Melkors music had to be the first heavy Metal ever created.
Good Valar - Beatles
Melkor - Sabbath
*Count Dooku voice: "I've been looking forward to this".
Hold up, how could Melkor become impatient in the halls of Eru if they're timeless? 🤔😂😂
Must be like the DMV, timeless, an hour can become an eternity.
@@therearefourlights6926 bruh lmfao
"For Iru's sake, this forever is taking....forever. I need some fresh air."
*steps out into the Void*
It's like when you try to count a minute, it can be a lot longer than you think.
Great video Yoystan. I love the part where the Elves already seem to understand the treacherous ways of Melkor. Wished they would have understood sooner, including the Valar. That's one thing that sets this universe as complex, you have to be on the characters position to fully grasp their actions. Awesome.
So good! From the articulate/accurate story-telling, to the fitting original music, and the gorgeous art (a lot that I have not seen before), incredible. Always looking for your next video!
Melkor..... The greatest antagonist ever in any series........... Love your work brother I want to learn more about toklin's creation I just love the series and love your work
Love your stuff bro!!!!!!!
... I am stunned by how incredible this was! WOW! Thank you for creating this fantastic summery! I honestly lack the time (and to be honest, also the discipline!...) to read the Silmarillion though I have tried, and will try again! So this was VERY much, welcomed! You do marvelous work! Thanks!
Fascinating (as always) and congratulations on retaining yourself to stick only to Melkor's history and not be distracted by all the other strands :D
So excited for this one. Absloutly brillant! Do you think you might start a series about creatures of the universe? Creatures like wargs, fell beast, spiders (ew), giants etc. I don't think you can really do an epic charcater history on them but maybe a series exploring creatures in general
Rory Donaldson That would be very interesting, as we could analyze the nature of the beings, their fate after their death(their spiritual nature, as we only know about men and elves) and even their significance in Tolkien's underlying messages
I would find that very interesting
That would be really cool, hopefully he decides to do that at some point!
Rory Donaldson that's a great idea if u have the time please do that Yostan thanks
It's going to be so hard waiting for part 2.
....everyone needs to listen/watch this...over and over again
Thank you so much for these visuals and great recap of Melkor’s history. I’m reading the Silmarillion now and it’s so nice to have this accompany the story. Great work!!
Wow fighting balrogs and dragons, and all omnipotent being and other types of crazy shit. The elves were fucking awesome back in the day lmao
what if the fellowship made for the gap of rohan instead of taking the pass through moria? keep up the good work!
They would've been bit late
Nothing better than a cup of tea and LoTR lore vids during coronavirus crisis.
Love this condensed summary of their actions during the beginning, it's a good refresher and also makes it easier to understand the whole story as I'm still reading the early stories.
I was disappointed that Morgoth won the vote instead of Feanor, but you did much to keep his story compelling despite its resemblance to the archetypal fallen Angel and the fact I've read his wiki page a few times lol
Fëanor was an ASSHOLE!
The Loner while morgoth was the ultimate asshole
0:35 Melkor didn't do evil deeds. Melkor is the source of evil.
And what of the one that devours the light itself? (Ungoliant)
@@outlawman9564 she’s supposed to be darkness itself i think
Tolkien was a genius. This is awesome! Thanks for this. These are the entertainment I like. Something that actually makes sense and has a morale to the story. You can also see the awesome biblical influences on Tolkien’s work. Lovely!
It is quite easy to understand that Tolkien had Lucifer in his mind when he wrote the character of Melkor and Manwe none other than Gabriel, the archangel. He certainly adopted a lot from the text of Abrahamic Religions. Great piece of work by the Old Man.
Btw, hats off to your video dude.
Sees "Song: Morgoth Bauglir by Galafee"
_celebrates_
I think there is something to Morgoth that is far more deep and phylosophical. As in you NEED conflict and strife for things to grow and evolve to gain strenght and to overcome adversity. As such it would be logical to assum that Eru created Melkor to be just such an adversary weather willing or not to help his childeren grow and evolve.
Just think what a world t would be without him? It would be stagnant and unchanging, even the world would be flat and boring, nothing ever chainging or improving just stagnant serenity.
well illuvatar's ultimately responsible for all the bad things including morgoth, he created him with the ability to rebel and did nothing to stop him. but I can kinda see it from his point of view, if I was an all powerful god and created stuff, i'd probably want to put a bad guy into it to make things more exciting and for me to grab some popcorn to watch. admittedly it would make me as much of a dick as illuvatar, but ah well, even the omnipotent need their entertainment XD
"Just think what a world t would be without him? It would be stagnant and unchanging, even the world would be flat and boring, nothing ever chainging or improving just stagnant serenity."
On the contrary, Eru/God will do just that at his rightful appointed time. After all Melkor/Satan's time on Arda/Earth is numbered - but only God knows the number of his days. Eru's ultimate purpose is to show all beings in the cosmos the folly of going against the good, his will.
You, being a limited mortal with finite conceptions of reality, cannot possibly say that God cannot create quite a splendid reality free of evil for all who wish to be a part of it to live within.
Yeay I'm always excited to see & listen to more lore dealing with MELKOR LORD OF SAURON! Thank you!
Bro, been subbed to you forever and you just keep churning out amazing content. Please never stop. You make college unbelievably easy when I know after a long day of classes, papers, busy work and my job that I can come home, crack open a beer and listen to some good ole Tolkien. Thank you!
They should make a mini series or something of that nature for the 1st age and the leading up to the hobbit story
@2:17 Interesting..... You know, I've heard some theorize that even as we tend to view Lucifer as in "opposition" to God - that in some way he is fact serving his(God's) plan. A sort of ying and yang.
Excellent work! This Review succeeds in not only explaining the History of the Dark Lord but also brings the motivations for his actions to life. Can not wait until part two of this saga is released! Would love a video about your interpretation of what Melkor looked like during the various stages of his time in Arda! Thanks for your great work! This is a wonderful channel!
The best thing about Melkor is that he actually have reasons for why he wants to rule the world. You get where he is coming from, and in (some way) you CAN feel sorry for him. The greatest villains are those you can understand their actions even if their horrible and gruesome!
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"He who Arises in Might" Standalone Film please! (could be one of the most depressive tragic films of all time) I will watch it in theaters nonetheless.
Imagine what that world would have been had Melkor not messed up that song from the beginning .
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Another excellent video. Thank you for all the work you do to bring them to us. I'm looking forward to part 2 of Melkor's history. Farewell! wherever you fare, till your eyries receive you at the journey’s end!
Awesome my friend. Thanks and I appreciate your hard work in putting this video together. Melkor epitome of discord. And he is also one of the central figures of all of Tolkiens works. I cannot wait to see how he is depicted in the Silmarillion film. and oh, I loved the artwork.
Keep being awesome man!!!
Morgoth was more evil and powerful, Sauron was just his High Lieutenant.
02:06 should be an album cover, love the pics in these videos.
Awesome stuff bro. I am totally intrigued by this character and can’t get enough of him
The opening quote is so absolutely Christian it is no coincidence that Tolkien put it in the book.
All things work together for the good of those that love God and are called by His purpose. Romans 8:28
The end of all things will show how true it is.
jimmie montgomery He hates Allegory annnnd not to mention, hates when interviewers keep asking him what christian aspect his writings hold when they are beyond all of that. Much deeper, much older. ;3 that was what he was tapping into from his deep and long studying of deep antiquity as an impeccable scholar, there is a reason the blueblood elite globalists literally kept trying to recruit him. Juuust thought i should mention.
Just because Tolkien did not like allegory does not mean he wasn't inspired by his Christian faith
Makkaru112 this quote is so obviously a reference to the Christian conception of God that you can’t argue it wasn’t a part of his inspiration.
But perhaps Tolkien was more of a medieval Christian, thinking of God as the perfect being who created the world as an offspring of his thought. There is a scientific and philosophical logic behind this idea. So maybe Tolkien was upset that people thought he was ripping it off of Christianity SPECIFICALLY.
The Greeks, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, and Christians all had a similar notion of the idea of an ultimate reality that was split up into a space/time story or wheel that unfolds over time. Perhaps Tolkien wanted to create his own story, his own “religion”, just like George Lucas with Star Wars.
If we don't get a silmarillion series of movies in the next 10 years I'm gonna be pissed..
Efren Torres it will take ten years to make sure it is done right and with respect to tolkiens guidelines and major timeline laws that shant be breached.
Efren Torres Well we are getting a TV show.
Thomas K96 are we really?
Efren Torres yes from Amazon they bought the rights to The silmarillion.
Thomas K96 oh hell yeah, I didn't know that. Hopefully it comes to fruition. They're sitting on a goldmine
I clicked like before the video started because I know your videos are always perfect
Your videos and channel is such an inspiration Yoistan, that I'm reworking mine towards more fantasy stuff; namely doing Fantasy history and theogonies, starting with Suikoden, then Krynn and then Middle-Earth. Thank you for such wondrous videos such as these. Melko is truly amongst the vilest and most interesting of villains in literature, thanks for this entertaining video!
Just curious, the "secret fire" (1:37). . . Is this the secret fire Gandalf referred to in his standoff with the Balrog in Khazad-dum? "I am the servant of the secret fire. . ."
Evelyn Rens I think so. Everything gandalf said to the balrog was pretty much taunting.
@@yannaischrire7327 Yes, taunting may have been part of Gandalf's intent. He was certainly holding off the Balrog until the rest of the fellowship was safely off the bridge. And, being the complex character he is, perhaps Gandalf was "invoking" powers as a Maiar and as wielder of the elven ring Narya to prepare himself to attempt to defeat the Balrog.
yes. The flame imperishable
I thought the dwarves were created by Aule the Smith and awakened first but then they were put back to sleep because it wasn't part of Manwe and the Valar's plan.
I know this video is about Morgoth but you truly explained the links with in the history of the lore beautifully. Great job Men of the West. I am currently reading "The Silmarillion" , it's truly out there and I tend to get lost when learning about the evles in the early ages. Once again you explain it amazingly.
Nice. Been enjoying your videos and was excited to see my old painting of Thangorodrim at 10:36! Thanks for using it!
@3:19 That's Garruk Wildspeaker of MTG
I believe that Ungoliant was one of the 2 primordial beings in the void, prior even to Eru. She symbolises greed, sloth, hate, anger, power, fear and betrayal. As for the other primordial I believe it to be Tom Bombadill since he claims to have been there from the beginning and he embodies the complete opposite of Ungoliant (love, trust, happiness and so on).
Tolkien was a Catholic--in the old meaning of that term--and he would not have made a creature older than the Creator. It is obvious in the Silmarillion that Tolkien gave his version of the creation story. Tolkien leaves the origins of some characters like Ungoliant and Tom Bombadil mysterious, since he wanted his legendarium to seem real--and in the real world we don't always have answers to everything. But also remember Tom was originally a character from a totally different story Tolkien made for his children, and he included in LoTR only for them.
Ok, maybe they were not older than him but I still think he created their spirits in the timeless void, before the Ainulindalë.
Since I think the Silmarilion says that Ungoliant came out of the void and in on Arda.
Very interesting (if not correct and an merely entertaining) concept. I love your thoughts on this! Outta the box on this.
It would be seemly for this concept because I found Eru to just be a creator entity who was kinda hands off. It could make sense their being 'titans' who were before, ultimately playing a grand chess game on a cosmic level through Eru and Melkor. Tolkien's universe allows us the indulgence to theorise these concepts when it's fleshed out but not necessarily bindingly so.... Jesus that was supposed to be two lines haha
Humanlink1, this is why we read LOTR ;)
Fantastic and captivating as always. I love your scriptwriting, man. Makes me want to re-read the books and re-watch the films.
Honestly my favourite stories of all time.
FINALLLYY. I've wanted this character history for sooo long
Someone needs to make a movie on this we already got the hobbit and the lord of the rings but we dont have a start before sauron became evil this would be epic for lotr lovers call it the creation and destruction of middle earth
Why the picture of Garruk the Plains Walker from Magic the Gathering? Lol Other then that great video.
thought the same then looked up tulkas on google images and can see why its there
Another excellent video! I've always been a fan of Morgoth, he's one of the most engaging Dark Lords in fiction for me. very glad to see that you are doing a 2nd video to do the character justice. side note, was I the only one entertained by Garruk standing in for Tulkas? Keep up the good work Yoysten!
You mentioned the Noldor a handful of times. at some point, I would really like to see videos(s) about the three Kindreds of Elves. Tolkien did something cool with them, you don't see that level of detail in other mythologies.
Morgoth and Sauron were both evil beyond belief and the horrors they unleashed upon Arda were unforgiveable...yet I understand what drove them down that path. Grief and the feeling of being not good enough drives to madness and despair, then to foul deeds. Very well written characters, both.
Have to wonder if there was an even more evil that turned Melkor
Artur Dent unlikely
technically that would be eru
Love your vids you'd ten
I just finished watching Lord of the Rings extended edition (took 3 weeks) so it's great to see more about the legendarium.
Not even the biggest fan of lotr but i enjoy these videos and listen to them at work. Thanks for making them & please continue!
Great job but when “Dh” is together it makes the “th” sound “maedhros “is “maethros “
My dad who only watched that movies said once that sauron bows to nobody and I explain to him melkor and the valar
Fantastic video man,Melkor is basically Satan in this amazing legendarium and he’s one of my favourite villains in the legendarium
Thank you for your passion and effort, it really shows in your content, keep it up! If I were Amazon, I’d hire you as a historical reference when making their new series!
Basically, Melkor wanted to introduce mumble rap using autotunes into the songs....no way!!!!!
Ea was the universe not the world, the world was called Arda by the ancient elves. Arda is the world.
i didn't realize he had so much history. These videos answer so many questions. Thank you so much!
Just found this channel. I will now proceed to binge watch!