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@@chrisodillman3355 you mean a foreign national can’t buy land in another country online without any documentation or signatures!? I am truly shocked
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This sponsor gives no documentation as to whether it gives the money to the charity it claims. It is a scam, don't support it.
Finally! I pushed you about this a few months ago. Glad to have a WIIM streamer that is in a rectangular case with feet. And for some of us, "build quality" is ALWAYS important. Bravo !
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Nobody actually thinks it is real. Too bad they didn't research if they actually donate to legit charities or if those are scams as well though.
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@@destructoidepic2685 knives that are sharp for about 1 week. I have a knife that is now almost 25 years old and has never needed sharpening and will cut anything and I use it every day. There isn't a tomato it will shy away from.
Can you tell us something about the sound quality:
- WiFi compared to hard wired?
- wiim mini optical output compared to PRO optical output?
- inside DAC of the PRO compared to external DACs?
- digital coax output of the PRO compared to coax output of Bluesound Node (and/or other streamers)?
That would be very helpful for me making a choise.
Thanks, from the Netherlands
I though the WiiM Mini and Pro couldn't get any better. I turned on multiroom audio today, within the Wiim app. It is flawless. Even switching music in rapid succession it sounds as if the 3 systems on 3 different floor were 6 speakers hard wired to a single receiver/streamer combo. I stood on the stairs, between floors to see if there was even the slightest out of sync issue. None, none, none, zero sync issues, zero delay. Thank you a thousand times for reviewing the Wiim on your channel.
How the heck did you get multiroom audio? I tried for HOURS and could not get an Streaming service to play on a single Echo device. I finally got my turntable to play on 1 (AND ONLY 1) echo device. Completely frustrating. Is the sole purpose of this thing to stream music from service to your stereo via cables from the Wiim to your stereo?
@@x1124x I have 2 Wiim Pros and a Mini. each connected to a stereo receiver, 2 receivers using optical, 1 using RCA cables from the Wiim's and another mini that I connect to a jbl bluetooth speaker. The stereo's all play in sync. The JBL bluetooth speaker is slightly delayed. You also have to have the first device in my setup being one of the stereo's and the other devices link multiroom audio to it in the Wiim app. If you play music to the bluetooth speaker then link other devices to it then you get dropouts in the music. I don't know if the connection to the echo is wifi or bluetooth, but if it's bluetooth that's most likely the problem. Bluetooth even if it's v5 is still too low bandwidth for stable multiroom audio, i'm guessing. Hope that helps
Thanks for the great review! I am excitedly adding the Wiim to my holiday wish list!
My only issue here is there was a missed opportunity to do the awesome looking Wiim app some justice by singing “a-Wiim a-app” along to “The Lion Sleeps Tonight”, but I will make sure to do so when mine comes in. 😂
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Definitely looking forward to picking this up. Looking forward to being able to select between home theater input and music streaming through my phone or tablet. I think that it will be a better option than the Arylic S50 pro+ with physical remote for me. Thanks again for your reviews and recommendations.
This is awesome to hear. A friend and I were having a conversation a while back about streamers, and he was saying the streamer makes a huge difference in the sound of your setup. Sounds like those may be a good first streamer for me for something like Tidal to connect to
If you're using the digital out, and avoiding the inbuilt DAC, I don't think the streamer does anything the affect the sound at all. It just connects to the inteternet and stream the data. I may be wrong, but pretty sure the streamer has zero affect on sound quality unless you use its dac.
@@kaufmanat1 I would disagree on that, having used different streamers without DACs for quite some time. I have consistently noticed significant improvement going from Chromecast Audio ( that did have a DAC but I didn't use it ) to Auralic Aries Femto to Auralic Aries G2.
It's down to implementation, power supply, galvanic isolation, USB handling, clock etc.
However I do think the Wiim and the Pro are fantastic products and using an external DAC is the way to go before spending bigger bucks on a better streamer.
@@jimfarrell4635 yeah I agree with you...I've tried the Node, Cambridge CXN2, WiiM, Ifi Zen Stream, Arcam SA30, as well as using my phone with USB adapter into stereo. As much as I wish that a bit perfect signal would sound the same from whatever streamer into the same Dac it just isn't true. There are definitely things going on in a streamer that effect the sound, some more than others. Some sound the same, but the ones that stick out usually have a quieter background, which I think allows us to hear more detail and effects things like imaging and soundstage. But I also think the WiiM is a great product.. especially for it's price. Their Home app is better than most. The Zen and Arcam app is basically useless to me lol.
@@jimfarrell4635 good points
Nice! :) You forgot to mention it uses the same DAC as the mini. Such a DAC would be expected in something at that price-point, but people may have other expectation for the Pro.
I believe they expect people to bypass the DAC using the optical and/or coaxial outs. That's the way I would. Nice that it has so many inputs and outputs.
This is exactly the information I was looking for. Thanks! I can still with the mini…I do wish the Cheapaudioman would take a little time to understand and explain the hardware and design of what makes the gear he reviews better/worse/same as other gear. I don’t need or want an EE, but a little bit of design/hardware detail would make a huge difference in the value of this channel.
I agree to an extent but without a better DAC it's really just a slightly more flexible mini with Chromecast. Not sure if that justifies the extra moolah. If you don't need ethernet or Chromecast and are using an outboard DAC then just get mini.
That's too bad. I was hoping the Wiim Pro would have a better DAC. I already have a Wiim Mini. What I miss are better DAC and a remote control.
@@aoelounge6446 If they really wanted to be a "Node killer" they could incorporate a good DAC, remote, and a subwoofer output and sell it for $249 - 299. It would sell like hot cakes and be considered an insane value.
So glad I didn't buy a second Mini for my basement setup. Now I can pick this up for my main and toss the mini in the basement. Thanks Randy!
Mine just arrived, I am now running Flac audio via optical cables.
Wow.
Thanks Randy!
I bought a Wiim Mini when I set up my stereo earlier this year after seeing it on your channel, and honestly you would never need anything else for a simple stereo system. Super easy to use and plays great quality music. The only issue I had was on Tidal's end whenever the Wiim would update, but once Tidal fixed the app it's been smooth sailing. Absolutely recommend it.
Do you use the inbuilt DAC? I found I got better sound if I used the toslink and let the dac in my avr do the work... Just my experience. Didn't get great audio from using the wiim mini Dac.
@@kaufmanat1 I don't, which is a good clarification. This thing is an excellent streamer, but it's always better to have a separate DAC.
I'm happy with my LGV30,and I have new one as a back up.Very savoury with the T9,plugged into the unit,no bloody BT.
Quick question: can you have both optical input and coaxial output operational at the same time? Is the coaxial output fixed or can you adjust its volume digitally?
Awesome video! Question: is the WiiM (either one) a good replacement for the Apple AirPort Express?? I use the AirPort to stream audio from my computer and cel phones to my Logitech Z625 speakers. Is the WiiM mini enough? Or should I go for the Pro? Thanks!
I just bought 2 of the minis before the pros were announced. They both came with power bricks. Crazy easy to set up. I use it to send hi res audio from Qobuz to my receiver using the optical cable and it is fantastic. I assumed it wouldn't come with cables and was pleasantly surprised that it did. I might have bought the pro if I had known about it, but I'm insanely happy listening to quality of audio the mini puts out.
Hi Darko, I'm somewhat Ignorant of Music Streamers. Did you connect your phone playing Qobuz to your receiver using an optical cable? how did you do that? I appreciate your advice.
@@Chiroman527 when you set up the WiiM you have to use the WiiM app to set it up. Once you are in the WiiM app you give it your login info for Qobuz and other streaming services. When playing music you select the service and song in the phone app and the WiiM gets it directly from your network, it does not pass through your phone first. The phone app just tells it what to do then the WiiM gets it from your wireless if it is the mini or from wireless or network cable in the cast of the WiiM pro. Your phone is a remote control only and not involved in the quality of the music.
Your phone connects to the WiiM over your WiFi network. The WiiM mini connects to your receiver over optical or to it's rca or 3.5mm input. The phone has no physical connection to the wiim. If you use the optical connection like I did then your receiver's dac processes the audio signal instead of the WiiM's dac. If you use the 3.5mm out on the WiiM then the WiiM's dac does the digital to analog conversion. The optical is the preferred connection if your receiver supports it. The WiiM pro has an optical in as well as an optical out but the phone still connects over wifi
@@darkoresnik75 Can you bypass the DAC in this and use an external DAC?
@@dextermorgan1 Room Yes. I have 3 of the WiiM's. 1 old receiver, no DAC that uses WiiM's DAC via the analog audio out. Room 2 WiiM's over optical, which bypasses the DAC into a Merantz sr6015 using the merantz's DAC. Room 3 WiiM optical out to Geshelli j2 DAC. J2 analog out to Merantz sr6015. The geshelli j2 is the active DAC there.
I forgot to use your link when I bought my Wiim Pro Streamer so here you go! Keep the videos coming!
Nice! A great central unit and the mini’s for a real multi room setup
Just got the pro today. I’m impressed. It might not be super heavy but the rubber on the bottom does a great job at keeping it in place.. bumping etc.
Hey Randy
Thanks for the very helpful reviews. Does anyone know if I can display album art via TV while playing music, similar to chromecast?
Thanks for the video! How would you compare the internal DAC of the Wiim to the one of the Yamaha WXAD-10? My Yamaha doesn´t work anymore and I´m thinking of replacing it with the Wiim, but would like to save the extra money that would cost an external DAC, although I know the internal is far from being perfect. Thank you!!
This will replace my Echo Link in my main system. Looking forward to the release, please keep us posted! Thanks Randy! 👍👍👍
can you compare the sound of wiim pro to bluesound or ifi zen stream when paired with an external dac?
Thank you for the video. Just finding this device and placed one on order from Amazon. Already own the older Bluesound Node 2i and a couple of Echo links. Use them with various DACs I’ve tried. Decided to try this instead of upgrading one of the Links to the newest Bluesound Node. If it works out I will by a second one. I use several music services like Amazon Music HD, Apple Music, and Roon Server that I set up and digitized my entire CD collection to. Since it supports more than the Link maybe there are other streaming services I can change too. Curious how well voice control thru Alexa will work, if at all, with it. Just curious also what a DACs you thing are well targeted to work with it. Also do you think getting a linear power supply is worth getting to go with it, if so which one? Thank you again.
Randy, I'm pretty sure you have mentioned using the Wiim Pro as a preamp (directly into a DAC and then into a power amp). I am considering that method as well. Do you get better sound that way, or is it better to go fixed output to DAC then out to a preamp/integrated/receiver?
I'm wondering about this too. Did you ever buy one?
Just put in the order for this. Pairing it with a Aiyima T9 and a pair of Emotiva B1+. Putting the living room TV into it with the WIIM. Haven't had anything close to this in almost 30 years. Really looking forward to it.
Hi Randy,
thanks for this video. What about bluetooth - does the Wiim Pro aptx hd?
Which dac do you recommend for the Mini and the Pro?
best regards from Berlin, Germany
Carsten
Thanks Randy. I'll be buying the Wiim Pro and a Geshelli J2 DAC for less money than I'd pay for a NODE.
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Great video! Do you need more than one wiim in order to connect 2 different devices (Klipsch Fives and Bose Smart Speaker)?
Hi, is there a difference in audio quality when I use it for an external DAC, between mini ana pro?
Let me see if I get this right: my phone is the source with Amazon, Pandora and Spotify for the music, connected to the Wiim and then a couple of RCA's wired to the tape input of my SX780. Would that do it? Thank you.
Hi guys..looking for some advice if possible please?
I have a Wiim Mini and an Amazon Echo Sound 5.
Is there a way to stream from the Wiim and have the album art / lyrics to appear on the screen of The Show.
I have tried various ways, but no luck so far.
Any ideas would be welcome.
Many thanks. 🤘
Question: I got Elac uni-fi 2.0 hooked up to smsl A300 amp fed by my android tv and I use streaming apps from my tv but would getting this device improve the sound quality?
Than ks for the review. Can you tell us if the WIIM pro will be seen as a DLNA Media renderer/receiver from the PC? Thanks
Randy nice review: what about an external DAC? Quality of one built and in and is it nice or necessary?
Hi! I’m new to this hobby and checking how to build, planning to get smsl sa300 - can wiim pro connected directly or shall I need an external dac? I’m thinking WIIM RCA out to SA300 RCA in, but I’m not sure if WIIM’s DAC is enough, Thanks!
I bought one of these for my first try at streaming. I've been retired for 10 years and haven't kept up with tech - phones, computers, etc. I was concerned about successfully hooking it up. Actually found it pretty simple. Now playing spotify, amazon music, etc., power via a Yamaha AS700, speakers are JBL Studio 130's. Sounds good, easy to use - winner!
Typo, s/b JBL Studio 530's.
WiiM Pro sounds like a great replacement for both Zone 1 theater music streamer, though AudioControl XR6s is Roon Ready, but moreso to take over for Zones 2 and 3. My biggest dilemma is SiriusXM via HEOS is our daily habit.
Might WiiM be adding SiriusXM compatibility anytime soon?
Can you inform me for a suitable external dac with optical input, Geshelli products are not for sale in Europe. I have no experience with external dac’s only the usb dac cobalt from audioquest I am using for streaming from my I pad to my Hifiman Sundara headphone. Schitt audio products are also hard to find in Europe for the moment.
Thanks in advance Ludo Belgium
Great video but I’m still confused if this product is for me. My current set up is Amazon music HD. I have a decommissioned iPhone connected to my preamp and listen to music through the Amazon app. I would love to be able to control the music from my other iPhone, essentially as a remote control so I can listen and select what I want to hear without having to get up. I used to love this feature with Spotify, I believe it was called connect where you could control one iPhone to another essentially giving you a remote control. That’s what I want with Amazon Music HD. Will this streamer do this? Thanks for any insight
Sorry you are using the iPhone as a dac?!
I like how often Wiim updates their software with bug fixes and new features. They also give you control over almost everything. Being able to turn the status light off is nice too.
I'm trying to figure out what a Wiim box does that I may or may not want/need - I currently have a house flooded with Google Home audio products. Regular Google Home speakers in the main bedrooms. A few Google Home Mini speakers in other areas, such as bathrooms. I have the Google Home Wifi Mesh network which includes a wifi extender that has integrated speakers and music playback ability. For video, I run Android OS on an Nvidia Shield Pro. Lastly, I am subscribed to Spotify. So, I can stream music anywhere in my house on the Google Home Speakers. My Nvidia Shield will send Bluetooth audio to Bluetooth headphones, also, anywhere in my house (I have a small house). My Shield also acts as a server of sorts for an external HDD full of music files (although the voice commands are a bit janky). What is it that Wiim offers that I am currently not experiencing? Is it the following: Access to hi-fi audio streaming like Tidal service; the ability to chose my own speakers; and the preamp functionality to add, say, a turntable, to my home audio network, should I so chose to? Is that what Wiim would offer? Basically, it tears down the walled garden? Am I overlooking something?
@@esperago I'll do my best to answer your questions. For starters I'm a pretty basic user, the only functionality I use is the hi-res streaming connected to my amp/dac all-in-one unit via optical. It functions well as a sound bar replacement setup.
I'll explain my Wiim mini, the Pro should be similar with added functionality. The mini can choose from 3 outputs: optical, line out (3.5mm jack that can be used with RCA adapter with 4 voltage options), and Bluetooth. Here's where it gets interesting for inputs, either wi-fi, Bluetooth, or that very same 3.5mm but line in. So some of these connection methods go both ways. I don't have experience with record players but you might be able to take the signal from your record player preamp and feed it to the wiim and from there play it though the optical (or Bluetooth) in the room you're in OR in another room, either simultaneously or separately via another wiim.
But don't quote me on that because I've never fiddled around with multiple wiim systems.
I don't have any experience with multi room audio but you can link and synchronize the Wiims you choose (a separate devices screen lets you name and control various settings of each streamer including linking them together.)
If I understand correctly, you can play the same song on a system in your living room and a small kitchen system so it's seamless as you move through your house doing chores. Or you can play only in the kitchen as you cook, as an independent streamer.
Can anyone recommend a good budget DAC to pair with the Wiim? One thats available in Europe - The Schiit Modi is often mentioned but its not that 'budget' by the time its had VAT and duty added to it to get it over to the UK. Thanks
Hi Randy, love what you do. I want to download hi res recording of some favs. Can I then play this using the Wiim of a thumb drive.
PS I notice that your down to earth approach is influencing some of my fav audio influencers. Great stuff !
Thanks for a great review. I’m subscribing. I’m getting a wiim pro for streaming mainly but will run the tv through it if there are no lip syncing issues.
Sorry if I missed - I know you said you can manually switch inputs, but does it have auto input switching as well?
Need some advice here. When it comes to music I am old school vinyl with HK citation, Big technics Sa9600 power amp etc... The technics recently decided it needed a massive overhaul so I bought a Fosi V3 on your recommendation as a stop gap and it's pretty damn good and for the money....amazing. I am now looking to get my music streamed from my Mac mini ( in my basement) up to my separates in my dad cave and the wiim pro looks like it could be the answer. I especially like that you can add a TT through it as the TT is on show but the separates are housed about 10ft away so it would save me a ton of cabling. Does the wiim pro sound like a good fit for my application? The Mac mini is a 2010 running high Sierra...If the wiim and Mac will talk to each other through Apple play will all my music be accessible through the app? Sorry for my lack of knowledge but I have had nothing to do with streaming....either blue tooth or WiFi so any advice would be great. Thanks.
Can I select it as Spotify "Remote Speaker" from any device inside of the Spotify-App in my WLAN or do I need to install the WIIM-App on all of them?
Hey, I am really considering buying this to replace my arcam aircam 2 dac and Yamaha wxad 10 streamer. I’ve heard so many good things about the streaming aspect of the wiim but just how good is the dac? And would it be worth replacing my current set up with the Wiim pro +?
How does the digital output quality compare to Ifi zen streamer? Im leaning towards a better audio performance. Is the digital output of the wiim pro better than the zen stream?
I added this. Amazed at how well it works.
Glad you got one. Have the WiiM mini, will I need to install a different app on my iPhone?
Hey Randy, The middle button on the front selects the playlist you have selected as “1”
Looking for a way to connect one of these WiiM streamers to the AUX input (RCA) of a Pioneer SX-780, any ideas? WiiM mini 3.5mm output to some type of RCA splitter (I think I have one somewhere). Failing a way to do that (cheaper than the 780 itself), my alternative is to link my SONOS Connect to it. WiiM doesn't do Apple Music, Sonos does. Any other "cheap" alternatives (no Blue Node!!) ? Thanks.
I just connected my Wiim Pro today running with Tidal and it works amazing. I have had a Wiim mini in my shop for awhile and have always been happy with that. My system is a Cambridge AXR100 with a Cambridge DACmagic 100 and Polk R200 speakers. I am thinking of getting a new DAC but I really like the sound of the DAC magic.
I am thinking of using my FiiO BTA 30 PROs DAC (ES9038Q2M chip) as an external DAC for the WiiM mini or pro DAC that no one speaks highly of. Is the FiiO BTA 30 Pro DAC better than WiiMs? Also, Randy ever considering reviewing the FiiO BTA 30 Pro? I am currently listening to my Amazon HD music via LDAC Bluetooth from my Android. How would this compare to using the WIFI settings through the WIIM? Thanks.
Bluetooth is not likely to match up well against even this modest Texas Instrument DAC inside the Wiim Mini & Pro. Other comparisons will need direct listening in the owner's system.
I have a zen can/dac stack with my tablet as a source via USB. I think you said the Wiim pro comes with a usb c/a cable. Does that mean I could connect this to my "stack"?
Hi, I was looking at where to put this figured here is as good as anywhere... need some advice on my set up and where I could do better.... I am running 2 x Technics !210s through a DJM 400 Mixer into an RCA switcher that goes into a Behringer Minimon, also in to the switcher I have a Traktor S2 and a portable MD player.... I was going to run a Tablet as a Music Streamer with Apple music ... s0 3.5 out from the tablet to RCA in on the switcher then again that comes out through the Minimon (an 800 I believe) all of this comes out throuto 2 active KRK 5 speakers set up by my Turntables.... do you think this tablet set up will work well as a streamer... just using Apple Music.
So can one use this as an external DAC going from a CD player to an HT receiver?
Would those work on my usecase? Planning to hook up my tv via optical in then use the optical out to connect my current speakers (HiVi Swan D100) and use the other RCA out to hook up a dedicated subwoofer?
Would love to hear your thoughts on a direct comparison with the bluesound node!
Hi! What do you think about the Andover songbird and the Wiim mini, in comparison?
I am currently using ROKU devices in 3 rooms for all our video streaming needs. On my main system, the ROKU is connected to the Sony Receiver. On occasion I'll also play Spotify through the ROKU. Will I get a better sound quality streaming Spotify through the WIIM Mini or the WIIM Pro?
So, I just bought this for my home theater receiver, (because HEOS isn't as good as it could be) and was shocked that the software looks exactly like the 4stream app for the Arylic S50 pro streamer, and Outlaws RR2160 MKII receiver(it would be cool to see your review on that.) I can even see all devices in each specific software.I didn't check to see if each app could control all devices, though.
Are all these companies under one umbrella?
I'm not certain that this is *the* definitive answer, but some of these brands are powered by Linkplay technology in some capacity. This includes SoC modules and a standard companion app. Source: Linkplay website
Also: "Welcome to Arylic's developer documentation.
This documentation describes the API of DIY audio boards, which are manufactured by the Linkplay company. Their boards are so called white label solutions, which means that hundreds of brands use them in their own products (as Arylic does). There are many well-known manufacturers that use Linkplay as their core." Source: From the Arylic HTTPAPI Developer page
Meanwhile, it is apparent that WiiM is actually the in-house brand of Linkplay.
I tried to use a wiim mini with my aiyma T9 with CZcams music. When I replaced the wiim (and airplay) with a Chromecast, the process became much easier/simplified and fun. Playing music and tv on the same system became more cohesive with less steps. The one thing I would like is the ability to control volume from my iphone/iPad within the the dac-amp, perhaps with hdmi e-arc? This all a fun experiment for me-I’d replace the T9-as long as it’s not 3x the price. Perhaps it’s the wrong forum for this question?
Awesome! Can’t wait to get one. On the computer front..1) can’t use my phone as a “remote”, and 2) my iMac only outputs 44.1 (even though iPad does 192?)? Thanks Randy
Randy thank you! What's your thought on the built in DAC? Thought it was the TI Burr-Brown PCM5121 DAC?
Does the pro version have any advantage over the mini when using its digital out into an external Schiit audio 3e DAC?
I think the only major difference is the input and output options and the wired network connection. I have 2 Minis running into DACs, so I'm not sure there's a compelling reason for me to upgrade right now.
@@crmixman A major difference is that the Pro has Chromecast which is great for Android users especially.
I’m looking to get the Wiim pro will this work for all steaming music CZcams music, Spotify, etc.
I hope they release this sooner than later!
Would this be a good replacement for a Sony str dh190? Looking to get more out of my tv setup.
Hey so can I use this with a older amp? So say like if I use the line out on this device into a line in on say the tape input or cd input on a receiver. Will it play through the speakers hooked up to the amp?
What would be the advantage of this over something like my Denon X-3500H please? Obviously I use the AVR for TV and Movies with a 5.1.2 setup, but is there any advantage to the WIIM Pro for listening to music?
Is this device compatible with a sonos speaker in a multiroom setup?
I brought the Wiim Pro after watching this. Very impressed with it once I got it hooked up. Thanks so much for the valuable insights. A real game changer for me, sounds great on my system. Nice they also added a PEQ. Great to get all the features at such a low price. Picked mine up on a lightning deal. Can’t beat this at such a low price point. Enjoying hi res on my stereo for the first time! Thanks for the great videos!
The reason you need a streamer if you have a computer is that the streamer is way easier, and it goes in the equipment rack, and the app becomes your remote. The Wiim mini is killer and I can't wait to grab the Pro.
Nicely Done.
Any chance this pro version streams Amazon Hd up to 24 192 ?
Thanks
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Apparently not. Still the pinned comment.
As you always state, as a streamer it is brilliant just amazing. As a dac, it leaves a lot to be desired. All the new analog inputs and outputs in the pro version will go through that not so great dac. Just an FYI. I'll be sticking with the mini in to a Geshelli J2.
Does the Mini have Coax SPDIF out?
@@navinadv - negative. Which is why the Wiim Pro will sell like hotcakes.
I can stil make a case (for some people) for the Echo Link/Bluesound Node over Wiim - the subwoofer out with bass management (high frequency cut off) . I plan on adding a sub at some point and this capability will be, for me, worth it's weight in gold. Again, that's only me and my use case but I believe if they add full bass management in the future (not just subwoofer out) they would make a lot of competition obsolete. Maybe they should go with two versions of the device - a new mini without an internal DAC (pure streamer) and with sub out and a PRO with a more decent DAC than the one inside it now. Just a thought...
100 % agree with you! It's a bummer that they still use the same DAC, although, its better than NOT having a DAC. Most audio nerds understand/accept they will be using an outboard DAC whether it is an external stand alone DAC or the DAC in your receiver/integrated amplifier. I think WiiM should just go for the juggular and make a PRO + version, that has a really good built in DAC, a remote, and a subwoofer output, and keep it under $300.
I have a couple of questions please, if you can help:
1. Is it possible to "limit" the volume coming out of the Wiim Mini using the app setting of the Wiim Mini, so somebody can't push the volume too high without having access to the app itself? I own a house which I rent on airbnb, I have an amplifier providing a bit too much volume, so I'd like to limit the output volume thanks to the Wiim Mini if possible.
2. Possible to connect to bluetooth without having access to the app itself?
Thanks
But is it possible that the device automatically switches to the line in if there is a signal (like a tv). So if I turn the tv on its like a preamp and if its turned of it should act like a streamer
Looking for a used marantz receiver with pre outs for a power amp, must also have tone control knobs
I need to echo this: Please be more discerning with sponsors or they may be your undoing. This is one reason I personally never accepted sponsors when I was a text journalist and would not do so as a CZcamsr either. That's just me personally as having had deep dive experience with the whole sponsor thing from the inside though not personally connected, but working for/with someone on an audio event. I have seen disasters with sponsors before. If one wants sponsors, that is fine, but just be discerning. I'd hate to see any damage to your channel Randy by some unscrupulous sponsor. What you do here is a service!
I cancelled my contract with them
@@cheapaudioman That's good Randy. I don't like to see folks doing a good public service get damaged or destroyed by unscrupulous sponsor scams and the like. When I was in the saddle, I was offered sponsorship by a questionable company that had nothing to do with audio and I turned them down immediately because they wanted automatic quid pro quo and they also tried to pressure me. Two no-no's in my book.
Hi, How would you connect the WIIM Pro to a Topping D10?
Wiim Pro vs Argon Solo.
Need music streamer with my integrated Amp. Which one to get. Please advice.
Thanks in advance.
Do you know if I can use my Kindle fire 10 instead of my android phone with this?
Can’t wait to get one and glue quarters to the top, lol
Well thank you sooo much> I just bought and installed the Bluesound Node and so you’ve ruined my day. LOL
Does anyone know if you can use the wiim pro with the Google nest hub gen 2?
Help. My iphone 11 doesn't have a lossless music setting. If I use the Wiim app from this iphone 11 to stream Amazon music via wifi am I getting lossless music?
I already wanted to buy before I finished watching your video. Went to Amazon don’t find it, went to wiim website they don’t show nothing about it. Then came back to your video…. Oh not out yet lol. can’t wait!
Thanks for the review! Is it possible to airplay from a Mac/desktop directly to it?
Yes it is
It’s a great looking device and I’ll probably pick one up but without HDMI it doesn’t replace the Bluesound Node for me.
Hey Randy! Quick question, If I use the optical out on the Wiim Pro to hook it up to an external DAC, can I still control the volume via the Wiim, or will I need a preamp/DAC with a volume control? Thanks man!
You can control it with the app. I have a Wiim mini just plugged into a power amp. The Pro is the same other than the extra inputs/outputs.
@@FelaHughes Hi, thanks for the response. Just to clarify, are you using the optical out on the Wiim or the RCAs?
@@deathstryker666 I’m using the optical out on a wiim mini which is functionally the same as a pro in this respect. You can control the volume using the phone or you can turn off the feature in the Wiim app and the output gets fixed at 100%.
Ah sorry brain freeze - I’m going into a dac- then the amp. Point is I control the volume using the wiim
@@FelaHughes Perfect, that's exactly what I needed to know. Thank you!!
Maybe someone can help explain something to me. I currently have a DAC that is fed by; An Apple AirPort Express, and a Mac mini that I use just for the many thousands of ALAC files that I listen to through iTunes, and control via Apple Remote. System works great, I just have to switch the DAC (Schiit Modi) between toslink and usb as needed.
I would like to try using just the Wiim Pro, when available, through the app. With the app will I be able to access the music saved on the hard drive of the Mac mini? I'll connect it to the Wiim pro with toslink, or LAN if that works. I'd like to be able to stream Spotify through the app, and switch to my Mac mini library easily... plus my kids have some non-apple tablets they would like to stream but they don't play well with the AirPort Express... the Wiim is a compelling option, but if it doesn't really provide more than my current setup, I'll just stick with what works.
Hey Randy, what do you do with all the equipment you buy and no longer need or use? I'm always up for buying used equipment. Love watching your videos, keep them coming.
I give away a lot to my patrons. If it’s something I’ve purchased I’ll sell it at pretty big discounts. Most of it stacks up on a shelf.
Great channel. New to hifi and your channel is the best. I got a pair of a2 plus and a sub from a friend. Do I need an amp with the wiim pro? There is no optical on the back of the a2 plus? Any help from anyone is appreciated.
Nice review. What is t he amp (pre amp?) to the left of Iron Man, over Randy's shoulder?
I thought I missed something, but I guess I didn't. What did you think of the DAC? Is it any better than the one in the Mini, or should we bypass it?
Same DAC, unfortunately.