Using the Cluch to Shift your Dirt Bike??
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To clutch, or not to clutch? That is the question. If the rest of that question is asking whether or not you need to do this while shifting your dirt bike, the answer is totally dependent on whether you want to or not. The truth is that you don’t need to use the clutch in order to shift your dirt bike, although it certainly helps on the up shifts. With down shifts, it really doesn’t matter most of the time.
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I raced 2 strokes..broke..clutch cable on start line for final race....sat in neutral on line..gate went down..smashed it into gear full throttle.. no clutch all race..come 3rd..won trophy...😎👍
I mean that is not gonna happen too many times before you round off the dogs but yeah they are pretty tough
@@martinskamla6789 you clearly don't know how a dirt bike gearbox works!
@@SSsacas 😂 Oh don’t I ?
On What are you judging that ?
I rebuild more engines than you’ve seen ;)
@@martinskamla6789 engines maybe... What about gearboxes?
@@SSsacas ;) a motorcycle engine and gearbox are one unit 😂 except on harleys..... Yes obv that includes gearboxes ..... so go on based on What do you think i don’t know how a motorcycle gearbox works
Clutch never heard of her since first gear
Matt Drew 😂😂😂
True
I thought the clutch was for wheelies :)
:) :)
Ahahahahaha!
It drives the wheels:)
It is
Shitchya homie
I like the feeling of using the clutch.
Me too
Rhys Tomney me too
I've never not used the clutch, it's fun and I'd rather not rebuild my transmission
Yeah I also like the feeling of knowing that my transmission isn’t going to break as easily if I use the clutch..... hmmm
Mr. StealYourGrill 1 yeah, exactly. Only time you don’t use a clutch is when your in the air from a jump. Even then, just use the clutch
Ya, I haven't been using the clutch for shifting for 30 years. Get ready for some hate comments tho, I put up a few videos even showing an open transmission and shifting and lots of people think the clutch does something magic.
Love your channel , and your Maico collection . = )
Thanks!
I watched that video about 2 weeks ago and I completely agree with your conclusions.
Haha honestly, your vids are great and so are your Maicos, cr500 is better tho :)
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Kyle, love the videos. Been watching for a few months now. Just wanna say you settled an argument my buddies have been having for a few years now. Thank you! Ps: when you actually have the bottom end apart it’s clear the shift forks and tabs definitely appreciate rolling off the throttle before no clutching 🤘🏼
Awesome video Kyle. You deserve way more viewers and subscribers! Would love to see you make some more types of these videos debunking these myths about 2 strokes.
I love the comment clutch is to modulate power! That is definitely an aha moment for me. I remember doing hill climbs on my quad not clutching but any other time it’s just muscle memory. Now that I’m just getting back into the sport and into dirt bikes I have a chance to start fresh and build new good habits. Great tip man thanks.
I learned this year's ago while attending Tony DiStefano's Motocross School. I actually thought that whole weekend was going to be a waste of time but I learned some helpful tips that would help me the rest of my days.
I never touch the clutch while shifting and haven’t had an issue so far. Good information and that looked like some great trail riding. 🤘🏼
One motorcycle that doesn’t like clutchless shifting is the older bmw motorcycles with the boxer motor. They have a dry automotive style clutch. While you can shift without it, it tends to be pretty clunky and often won’t shift on or off throttle hard.
Started with a pw80 when I was a kid and it had no hand clutch so I learned to shift and continue to shift without the clutch. Never have never will.
Awesome video thanks! I’ll have to try that no clutch thing out! I’ve always used my clutch every shift haha
It's not because it's a constant mesh, every manual in a car is constant mesh, it's because it's a dog gear and not sycro. Understand that not using the clutch will increase shock loads, but a good bike transmission can handle it. On upshifts, a quick throttle blip will help it grab the next gear, or a bump unloading the tire will allow the shift to easily occur as well.
Awesome video Kyle!
Do a video on engine breaking, I always see people arguing about it
He rides two stroke, can't really talk about it. Engine breaking is nice and all but it really doesn't help to much, I've actually just recently the last few months stop using it on down hills or certain rocky sections, It actually makes the my bike being a 4stroke, handle so much better through rocky down hills, and allows me to be faster through the tough sections with so much less effort. I stopped using it all together in turns also because when you use your engine break it makes your bike want to keep going straight and blow through turns, when you hold the clutch it really allows you to manipulate the rear end so much better and using the rear break to do fine adjustment with a quick slide or so.
Try not to engine break with 2 strokes. Fuel lubricates the crank bearings and piston and rid bearings. Engine breaking makes high rpm with zero lubrication. As for 4 strokes no problem at all. Just dont over rev it and float the valves.
dont engine brake on 2 strokes, and go for your life on 4 strokes. to sum it up a 2 strokes lube is in the fuel, when you engine brake the rear wheel is driving the engine to a high rpm, but the carby is still only at idle, meaning that the engine it running at a high rpm without lube, a 4 stroke doesn't have this problem.
that's why some 2 stroke engines was designed with autolube, so doesn't really matter even you have zero fuel, because the lubricant wasn't mixed with the petrol but injected directly into intake manifold
Puckchew .Pakciu yes there is oil injection but the oil inje tion pump works kinda like a little carburetor activated by a extra throttle cable. So more oil is pumped at wide open throttle then at throttle off position. So high at rpm oil is still not being pumped in as much as with the throttle open. Almost every 2 cycle snowmobile since 1978 use this system. When riding fast across lakes and slowing down its recomended to blip the throttle a few times to get the fuel and oil into the engine to prevent a dry out. While working in the small engine repair industry years back i fixed alot of blown up sleds
That trail looks really cool!
Man are you getting faster. Nice work
Shift with your throttle, been doing it for forty years on tons of different bikes. No problems yet.
Great video and info! Subscribed
Clutchless upshifts are easier on 2 strokes at the right RPMs, but don’t seem the same on 4 strokes. Feathering the clutch slightly gets the bike into the meat of the powerband quicker when trying to gain momentum.
A lot of 4 stroke pro MX riders suggest using very light clutch when up shifting four strokes.
Love the sound of the 2 stroke by the way!
Good pace, trail looks fun.
I have been training myself to shift without clutching..I remember in the 70's when we broke clutch cables and didn't have one till we got money to get a new one.We bump started and rode all day in the woods.The shift dogs are the only concern if you jam them.It's all about feel and being in that rpm that's not driving or back pressuring when you shift..Most of the time now I just click it down or up..Slips in like a glove..Saves the wrist,cables too.
in the 80's i ride clutchless on daily basis, to go to school and everything
Funny I have been road racing for years and hardly ever use my clutch to shift. This is another way to reduce arm pump. Nice video.
you get arm pump road racing?
Used to have a 2004 200exc with rekluse and left hand rear brake in the place of the clutch..no clutch lever at all on that bike..never had any problems
last time i clutchless down shift i threw my chain off lmao, i didnt realise it was loose till it was too late. always check ur bike before u ride guys
I found out a while ago that clutching is not necessary for downshifting, and recently I found out that it's not necessary for upshifting. Who would have thunk it after using the clutch for both for 40+ years. That muscle memory is a son of a gun, though.
That's exactly how I taught my nine-year-old to ride his KTM 65 SX! He only uses the clutch for taking off and modulating power like on a rocky technical hill climb.
i would say i use it 50% of the time, i would say i use it less on upshifts, in more technical stuff when your not in the high rpm. but downshifts i do use the clutch a bit more, just one finger and pop it a bit
I never use the clutch when up shifting, just put a little pressure upwards on the shifter then roll off the throttle slightly and it clicks right into gear. It's worked fine with every dirtbike I've owned. I normally always use the clutch when downshifting though. I guess I never really feel like I'm blasting hard enough to skip clutching when I'm slowing down,
Yeah I feel clutchless downs are for racers who are coming into corners hot and slam down through a couple gears to use the engine to brake too. I only clutch down... and that’s to rev match
You're right, you don't HAVE to use the clutch to change gears on your dirt bike, but if you keep your bikes for any length of time, be prepared to have to rebuild the transmission. I brought a dirt bike that had the transmission worn out because of clutchless shifting, and it was only 9 years old, transmissions should last longer than that.
"only 9 years old" and he was probably doing it wrong. i had a drz400 for 7 years and only used the clutch for certain things. transition was fine, you just have to rev match, an art that only good riders can do. any modern bike done with proper maintenance will never have an issue. for e.g. my new 2016 ktm 450sxf has no sign of wear on the tranny and i have done constant clutchless shifts in pro 450 class motocross
i personally use the clutch for downshift only for when im racing my road bike (it stops the rear of bike from skidding out) but for when i on my dirt bike i generally dont use the clutch at speed only at low speed is when i use the clutch
edit : also on my dirt bike i sometimes dosnt want to change gears going up without the clutch so thats when i use the clutch for up shift
I had no idea that you could shift without clutching. I use the clutch on up and down shifts.
Omar Rahman that's good
Was always told clutch for up shift no clutch for down but will be giving this a go 💯
I've been down shifting for many years with out the clutch , feather the clutch on the up shifting . I keep my bikes for 10 to 15 years , don't need to do trans work . You go through bikes often, almost always they are new, so you won't see a worn trans. The CZ's where designed to shift with out the clutch , you could even stomp on first gear at a old motocross during a hand on the helmet start. CZ's often got the hole shots back them. Huskies and Maico just ground gears , using the clutch didn't help at all with the Sachs motocross bikes.
but maicos are huge and lovely
We know them as "crash" gearboxes here in the UK. Helps to roll of the throttle for upshifts..but even on roadbikes there is a sweet spot for gear changes without the clutch..Personally, it helps in certain situations racing but now as a 55year old trail dirtrider who apart from the odd mad blast- am generally not in a hurry so the use of clutch/non use is not a factor. In all my 40+years offroad, i'v had more troubkle with drive chains than failed gears/boxes....I am always amazed though when good riders like Kyle [over 30s] find out these things that we were taught in our youth, i wonder why? Why hasn't this information been passed on?..any thoughts..or is the decline in 2strokes the reason..? Excellent videos as per..from a wet icey North of England..Keepon Riding y'awl......
Never used the clutch to shift since the seventies until I bought a Service Kawasaki KX500AF that has a brand new engine and gears. Most of the gears are unavailable anymore so I use the clutch when I need to shift which is not much on the 500. Im hoping to increase the life span of the dogs on the gears. Never had a transmission problem in fifty years of riding so not sure if it matters using the clutch.
I have shifted like this since I was a kid -- thanks for confirming haha
Down shift on a wet road without using the clutch.
He did mention near the beginning talking about his buddy at this course he was at "The clutch is mainly to control the power torque" :P
Referring to your example ^^
I grew up on a brand new Yamaha Bigwheel 80 with 3 gears no clutch just let off, i took that right into my clutched bikes
Quick question what kind of drone do you like to use and any special cases you use so it won't get damaged in a crash? Also I agree no clutch needed. Look at shifter carts the clutch is used to start and stop. Great channel
I always thought of my clutch as a pause lever so I never really liked that thing except in a corner 👍
it pretty much is
Hi Kyle, I'm new to your channel, I've been watching your videos for the last months and I really enjoy every single one of them, and I really like the advice you give. I don't know if you answer through here but I have a serious question, I recently bought a new KTM 250 xc-f 2017 and I haven't ridden it yet, what is the process you use to break in a new bike?
I know breaking in a new bike is very important so I really need your help before I mess this up. Thank you, have a great one!
I was talking to my friend about this yesterday on a ride😂
I'll try tomorrow. I don't use clutch on the upshift on a road bike, but never tried no clutch on a dirt bike.
Yeah i never use the clutch on upshift but always on down idk y.
Forget all this and the 250xc. Review that 150 head ASAP. Please!!!!
James Pinder ya more 150 vids
I haven't used the clutch in 45 years of dirt riding to shift and have never had transmission problems. Now on my trials bikes the clutch is everything and those transmissions are fragile, so I use the clutch to shift.
To clutch or not to clutch... While I do agree with Kyle's dissertation of the subject, I will add this. In my 45 years of dirt riding, I have found that it generally doesn't matter if you clutch to shift or not. If clutching on the upshift minimizes chances of a mis-shift at a critical moment, then by all means clutch it. And it should go without saying that constant clutchless shifts (up or down) under power or hard engine breaking will incur more wear than using the clutch. But probably not much, or at least not significantly in the time most of us own a given bike (a few years). Craig's List buyers beware! LOL!!
That said, I really don't pay much attention to clutch use while shifting. Because if you're using advanced clutch techniques, you're constantly using the clutch to modulate and shape power delivery. Top off road pro's from trials to MX to extreme endure do this. And you should too. It's a critical element in next level riding. Once you learn, it becomes instinctive. I even do it on the street bike!
clutching only healthy to the drive chain i guess, but will shift the burden to brake shoes and pads
I had a broken hydrolic clutch on the first day of a four day ride. After a while it became very natural.
Just finding neutral/ stopping in general was a pain in the a** ;D
Starting off must have been fun too, rev engine slam into gear and spin/fishtail away? :-D I guess you could start pushing and hop on while clicking into gear...
Phil Ward yes always had to push and go into gear ;)
So frustrating!!! One “expert” say you don’t need to clutch up shirting. Another, says you do need to clutch up shifting but don’t need to catch downshifting. And the other says exactly the opposite. Another says always use the clutch, another says never use the clutch. is There a lot of this disagreement because there’s different things for street bikes versus trail bike vs motor cross? I have a dual sport I’d really like to know if I’m ruining the transmission or not
dirtbikes are designed to take alot of abuse, no clutch while upshift is actually doable but you must time it by feeling the sudden engine breaking when closing the throttle, that being said i dont use those techniques ride how you ride comfortable and i dont suggest using those techniques for daily commute.. you'll just end up working alot on your bike.
Using clutch will never damage the transmission, not using the clutch can. Better safe than sorry.
Not sure where the constant mesh idea comes from. A motorcycle transmission is a bunch of spur gears (straight cut) and have no syncromesh in them. If you don't release the tension in the gears they will not mesh up properly and eventually you will break off teeth. Shifting up with out the clutch is easier to master. Roll back on the gas and pop the shifter up. Don't jam it up. If the revs are too high you will feel resistance don't force it. Used to shift my old XR650L this way. Down shifting with out the clutch involves rev matching and is a tougher scarier skill to master. When down shifting you need to blip the throttle so as to have the gears loosen up and match the engine revs. Don't just stomp it down as suggested here. I tried it a couple times but felt replacing a transmission wasn't worth the split second it took to use the clutch. My new KTM 690 takes care of everything for you for clutchless shifting. Look up Quickshit+. Again just stomping the shifter down a gear is risky. Besides unless you are racing and 10ths or 100ths of a second count why risk it?
Sheep Dog could not have put it better myself, I can’t see the people advocating that us weekend warriors use no clutch chipping in to pay for a transmission rebuild if/when the transmission fails.
Dirt bikes are made to withstand transmission without clutch although it’s still good to do. With a dual sport I would use clutch, Doesn’t hurt it and it’s not difficult, why not just use the clutch
yeah, recently i rebuilt transmission and all i can say is that gear dogs doesn't like clutchless shifts. You can do that in low grip situations like desserts but i don't recommend doing this.
dont do it under full rpm, rev match and its fine
You can't rev match while not using clutch
i think he did mean to tickle it, you know just like shifting those nonsynchro double declutch necessary prime mover (but without stepping on to that clutch pedal} ;)
If I'm up shifting while under full throttle, I'll pull the clutch in, click up and dump the clutch, which on a 250f keeps the RPMs up. Coming in to a corner, sometimes I'll slip the clutch to drop gears, but that is mostly on corners where I'll be clutching to get out of the corner anyways. If I don't need the clutch in for the corner I'll just apply a tiny amount of throttle to take the stress off the gears and tap down.
If I'm in the air and shifting up or down, I just hit the lever
yep im exactly the same on a 2016 ktm 450sxf. in a race the few seconds matter hey
Same here. Wide open gear changes need the clutch to release pressure. Mostly it's 3rd to 4th on a track on a 450. Downshift, I tend to be gentle on corner approach and click down one, sometimes not touching the clutch. Gear goes in easily. Trail riding, yes, one can shift up without clutch but I am not used to it.
You just blew my mind! Whaaaa?!
If you could further this subject with another video and cameras mounted facing your shift foot, shift hand , and path of travel that would be great
I've seen the selector forks bent and worn and the gear dogs rounded off from doing this too much. A careful up shift is fine and I do it often but shifting down without the clutch by just stomping on it is not good for the transmission. I've never had a problem on my bikes but I've fixed transmissions on other bikes and ones I've bought from people doing this
then, it;s time to replace them mate
that was the reason they didn't manufacture the bike only but also the spare parts
spare parts, they're the parts but the spare ones, to replace the damage and worn ones
Puckchew .Pakciu I've replaced thousands of dollars in OEM parts on bikes. I'm just saying that I've seen damage from people doing this and I've fixed it and it's not cheep. When done carefully it's fine but I've seen people do this without ever caring about the bike and then wonder why it won't stay in gear
was taught that as a 8 year old !!
(nothing to do with cluthing) I have an issue choosing the right gear for uphills sometime, im ridining a husqvarna te250cc, and sometimes 2nd gear is mt best choice for be more steady but in some tricky parts of the uphill my low rpms seems to not respond as well as in 1st gear, but in 1st gear there’s loose of control due to very high torke, and there’s where the clutch control helps me, also in the middle of the tricky section on the uphill sometime I shift down from 2nd to 1st when I feel im lossing power but then my frking dirtbike goes to neutral and omg if I dont shift down very quickly byebye. lol. hope U can share your thoughts whats best in thst scenarios, goes all the way with 2nd gear in middle-high rpm or goes down to 1st and use clutch control to not wheelie or loose traction. (very good vids btw) greets from MX
Thankyou
I think downshifting in a four stroke and two-stroke or different. I rode two strokes my whole life and downshifter with no clutch. First time I rode a race for stroke I downshifted with no clutch and the engine break was too much because I was in a higher rpm’s. In my rear tire locked up and it was a shit show. But when I do it in the two-stroke I’ll be at that magic spot just below the power band and it was beautiful. Something to think about
yeah, sure something to think about is never ride a 4 cycle motox, the engine's just not in their right habitat
4 stroke is for those CVT twist n go moped
and if i may add, that dull sound off 4 cycle single thumper was not really annoying when in constant high rev ;)
Name which mechanic told you this. He wants you to buy a new transmission. Racers rebuild their bike every couple races so they don't care about treating it so kindly just about speed
🤣🤣
If it was that bad for your tranny racers wouldn't risk breaking it in the middle of a race
@@hardtailfails if it is better to not use the clutch why does it exist. Feathering the clutch and shifting
@@jacobhoogland8191 stopping and starting and I use it for changing multiple gears like downshifting twice there is a great video on CZcams by motorcycle magazine also my brother has a 15 year old gas gas 300 that has around 700 hours on the bottom end and he never used the clutch
when you shift up with your clutch does it make it easier because i like shifting with out my clutch?
Hold the throttle to lock and shift
If you are not using clutch, your clutch plates will go off much faster. They do sit between crankshaft and gearbox shaft. When you change gears these two shafts need to be sinchronised again. So it simply slids till engages. Needless to say clutch plates will wear out much faster if they are together. And I guess they will create grooves in clutch basket much faster too since they are not moving. If you are rich and your mechanic does the job for you then its not a problem.
Great 👍🏻 videos tho how to all that Jazz honestly it’s not hard doing work yourself all it takes is little willingness and learning bc that’s how you learn but in all honesty always used my clutch just bc I don’t want to damage my trans split the cases all around great videos
So when do you need to use your clutch
I like to think of my bikes as a long term investment and not using your clutch will wear the gears out a lot faster. clutches are cheaper and easier to replace than gears! :) it also puts more wear and stress on the whole drive train. The clutch also helps you to ease down on speed rather than jerking the back tire to slow down. Sure racers and going to tell you not to, but how long do they plan to keep a bike, maybe 1 or 2 seasons?
Plz make a video with (How to do wheelies)
Thanks for the tip. I have a question tho? So what the point of the rekluse auto clutch is for. I was about to get one but it was like $600 for my 2017 kx250f
i been using the clutch since i started riding 25 years ago i really dont see a benefit in not using it your hand and foot are 2 different things you can do at virtually the exact same time the clutch never slowed me down if anything it made me faster u have to use the clutch alot regardless y not just use it to shift also unless maybe u have extreme arm pump and you need to make it thru a race then maybe just hold on and shift so you dont wreck. i ride everything from moto x to single track i ride my yz250 and rmz450 thats just my 2 csnts do whatever you are most comfortable with
When you are racing your dirt bike and you get to the highest gear do you stay at they highest gear until you slow down
Unlike Synchronous gearboxes that cars usually have, that use syncros (aka a form of friction clutches) to slowly (by comparison to dog clutches) synchronize the gears , sequential gearboxes use dog clutches or interference clutches which are effectively gears with large spaces between the teeth, that when engaged by the shifting forks, sync the 2 actual gears doing the power transmission almost instantly when torque is slightly dropped by slamming into each-other (hence the clunk! sound when you engage certain gears), so it doesn't really matter if you use the clutch to drop the torque, or come off the gas momentary, the action the gearbox takes to shift gears is identical, so no additional wear exists if shifting clutch-less. Now, go and ride your bikes and stop worrying about how to shift gears on them!
is it better to use the clutch to up shift or more throttel
What are your thoughts on a rekluce clutch ? I ride a kx250f and in slow technical sections I really struggle with clutch control
Why'd someone build bridges over the fun parts? 🤔
Told by top rider and trainer . If your having to use your clutch your not riding your bike properly.
Yesssssssssss I hate clutching shifting up it just makes your hand hurt after a while
So basically you can use it like a semi-auto??
Unless your a factory supported rider or daddy buys your bikes and parts then you need to use the clutch sometimes
is this a trail bike thing or can you shift clutchless on an mx bike or race bike
Literally says in my motorcycle manual from the factory to use the clutch when up shifting. Why would they put that in there if using the clutch didn’t do anything.
if you are in high revs and shift down whouldnt it put big amounts of preshure on the gears
Is this true for every bike? My manual says specifically not to shift without the clutch.
Do you need to shift when racing
yepp, no clutching needed even for taking off and stopping
clutch lever only for showoff (that's when you depress it then rev the engine to the redline while coasting in gears LOL)
and i come to think ...."do we need that kick starter too?"
of course not ....
sadly i don't have the video of my 1984 cr250r video, really good bike, no kick starter, no foot brake (the left hand lever is operating the rear wheel brake), so yeah, no active clutch lever, who needs it anyway
My step dad called it a dry shift sometimes a hot shift.
Do you let go of the throttle when you shift
Where was this ride? Can you send the location in the link?
I broke 3 gears on my 65 because I didn't use the clutch. Use it all the time now on my TE450. I think it's ok for a two stroke, but not on a four-stroke
either bad luck or you were doing it wrong, i imagine on a 65 you were shifting at full throttle without clutch, thats bad
WeRideLikeThis No, I just don't think it's necessary to shift without the clutch, I've seen the pros down here is Aus do it and how much slower am I going to be because I used the clutch? No much
I have a Rekluse clutch, what's the protocol with that? I picked up a 08 KTM 300xc and the Rekluse came with the bike.
The right lever is a burnout lever and the left is a wheele lever
I've never used my clutch while shifting. My father was a factory Yamaha racer so I guess he thought me right
when you down shift do you stomp down to 1 or do it gradually like in a car (go from 4-3 then 3-2 ect...)
That would be downshifting, which is fine but if you’re engine braking on a 2 stroke, no. Don’t engine brake on a 2 stroke
It’s a sequential transmission so to go down shift you have to go through all the gears, unlike a car where you can go from fifth to third or second to fourth etc
How much is a clutch basket and hub? Not to mention rebuilding a trans when you beat the shit out of dogs by panic slamming downshifts on a rocky hill climb.... I’ll just use my clutch.
I have no doubt that if you are gentle with it then not clutching is fine. But I’d rather use my clutch than have to worry about whether or not I’m roughing up my clutch or tranny components.
Anyone who has spent time driving a stick shift car knows if you do it right you can granny shift it up and down all day. But why would you?
So basically you can use it like a semi_auto??
dose it hurt your trasmision
I only use the clutch to get in and out of 1st
I have a 2003 crf450r what sould i do?
Ou Hell naa My engine gives such a evil bäng sound when i shift dry
Just stamp on the shifter to down shift....ehh no thanks. Upshifting is easy and makes sense but downshifting that way isnt something Im going to do. Cant say I can understand how you think its easier.
On my dirt bike I almost never use the clutch for shifting. As mentioned in the vid, controlling power/traction is the job of the clutch. No, it won't damage the bike.
nitemunky76 can u still up shift when u are under full power
Kristjan Hočevar you can do it. But it's hard on your transmission. Ease off the throttle a smudge if you are clutchless shifting
Up shift while backing off the throttle , sure . Down shift without the clutch? No thanks. Maybe that is why i have never had a trans problem on any bike I have ever owned. I am my own mechanic and parts suplier and keep my stuff for years at a time.
yeah this guy is nuts.
reminds me to ask the owner of the next bike if he did this or not.
not buying it if he so.
he acts like down shifting clutches is better than up.... insane man.
actually when downshifting without clutch you need to rev a little bit, just try to match engine;s rev and speed ....
Puckchew .Pakciu yup
Actually there is very to little no strain on the tranny when downshifting only because its connected to the speed of the rear wheel and notthe engine because it is at low rpms ive been doing clutchless down shifting and also proper braking by not using the clutch amd have gotten quite faster on a bike just take care of it and it will take care of you