WH Exploration Still Viable? | EVE Online
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- WH Exploration Still Viable? | EVE Online
So I tend to nudge people towards exploration when they ask how they can make money. WH exploration in the past has proven rather lucrative for me and its how I got into EVE so must still be a good income today right??? Well, lets take our astero and find out :)
We will also have a quick look at how to do exploration so its also like a how to video aswell :P
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I honestly prefer ultra-cheap exploration fits. (1.5mil isk Heron/Imicus fits) Sure, i can get killed pretty easily, but when I do die I lose next to nothing and I only need to make a single good run to make 10-100x the fit’s cost. Plus I’m an alpha so I’m pretty restricted (no cloaks or T2 analyzers)
yeah I really see the cost advantage of a T1 ship. I think the covert op cloak is a big advantage though so I dont mind the extra isk for the extra safety.
Just done a null sec trip in it and now the ship has payed for itself so anything now is pure profit :P
@@DisownedHero Eh, for me the Cov Ops cloak isn't too useful, since when I'm scanning I'd be at a safe spot and when I'm hacking I wouldn't be able to cloak even if I wanted to. Plus if someone does drop combat probes, all I need to do is warp to a wormhole I scanned down and jump.
Of course, there's probably a lot of reasons that people use cloaks, otherwise it wouldn't be so popular. It just isn't something I'd see myself using when in a hacking fit
@@goofytycooner5519 camps... less common in WH space but in null and low on occasions it gets you out of so much trouble. its not completely necessary but nice to have :)
@@DisownedHero Good to know. How much are Null Sec trips paying off these days?
lmao hello goofy
Been waiting for the next video :). Keep up the good work!!!
Thanks :)
Nice video DH - appreciate your effort to bring informative content. Been out of the game for a while, but it is fun to watch others and see how things have changed. Nice skin on the Astero too! I'm going to check out some of your other content since this was so good. :)
Thanks for the nice words :)
Unknown = C1 through C3
Dangerous Unknown = C4 and C5
Deadly = C6
All others will tell you high sec, low sec, or null sec.
Thats the one. I should have looked that up and reminded myself before heading out tbh lol
C3 and below are the ones you want in an Astero, or other tech I frigates. C4 and up you will find sleeper and drifters, all of whom think you should go away and will make you do so. Drifters actually kill your pod and harvest your corpse.
@@NeilBraun wow never new that. Almost tempted to lose a pod and with a second char cloaked see if they scoop it :P
@@DisownedHero go ahead
tell us what happen
Love your video's. You are great at explaining things and showing the viewer little tips. Yes, I am Newbro.
Great video as always. I have a love hate relationship with exploration. Its either I find nothing, or I find a gd T3C fleet ready to stuff me like a turkey. I have lost so many Astero's. You make me want to try again, maybe this time I will go with something cheaper.
Yeah never good if you lose a 100 mil ship which usually brings back less than its value per trip. You can fit a T1 ship for less than 5 mil so can see why people use them.
Got very lucky my first time back and made a 100 mil haul within 30 min of being in WH!
Great video. Getting back into Eve after being out for a couple years. Trying to figure out where to get started.
Did WH before leaving the game so wanted to see how much has changed since then.
Well I didnt have much luck but alot of people have said I was rather unlucky and I was in to high a class WH for the sites I was after. Maybe try and see how you get on
@@DisownedHero Keep up the good work. Your videos are helping me get back into the game. Lot of new stuff and trying to remember the old stuff as well lol
I spend most of my time in WH doing exploration. Im most comfortable just flying a probe or another T1 frig. Instead of warp stabs i put t2 inert stabs and small joint rigs so i can almost insta warp away. If i get caught, big deal, ship is cheap but I usually dont.
Sorta what I do too.
Except recently I learned what a warp bubble is!
I use an astero, but yeah, I'd rather have inert stabs, as you can expect hunters will have at least one 3 point faction scram. Just keep orbiting when hacking and tag that d-scan button like it's going out of style. have a celestial or bookmark ready, and you can usually git before they can lock you with an under 2 sec alignment.
On the covert research sites, do the secure vault first. That has the best loot and then get out.
Good to see you back, great video. I got ganked 3 times yesterday by wingspan in 3 different WHs looking for data and relic sites lol. (My poor t1 frigate stood no chance) (I'm an alpha btw)
A kikimora tried to jump me yesterday. I saw him coming on dscan and entered warp just as he landed. T1/alpha exploration sure is exciting. You just need to assume that you'll die. A lot. 😂
@@anthonykent00 lucky for you I got jumped by an Astero and then next a Hecate. The entire idea of exploration is to kill your competition and steal their work, its more PvP oriented than other parts of the game.
solid vid, good advice...thanks bro
Mate you need to upload more, I'm sat refreshing youtube waiting for you every week!! Keep them coming lad ^ o7
Edit - Also just to add maybe a video with some C1-C2 level 3 relic/data Combat Sites would be pretty decent I've not seen any about and I'm thinking about trying some in my tengu, so maybe worth a shout xD
Sorry. Things tend to get in the way but ill do my best :)
Also good shout. ill keep that in mind
The reason you don't see stuff about C1-2 combat sites is they are a waste of time, the payouts are very low, C3+ combat/relic datas are good but be aware the relic/data cans are not worth even the time it takes to hack them, the money is all in the blue loot.
The can with the high isk loot is the one that has the different name. In this case it was the "vault" not the "mainframe". When they blow up, they destroy all frigats and severely damage cruisers.
Good to know :) Thanks matey. Been that long since I had properly done exploration you kinda forget :P
Can you please type the modules which you are using for this fit please? I am thinking of doing this myself but in null. Thx
Legend video as always :)
Cheers matey. I learned from the best :P
@@DisownedHero Don't tell them that!" Ill never get a moments peace :)
Good one, thanks
Grey is c1, brown splotches and gray is c2, if it has a small red blob on it with a relatively grayish brownish background its a c3, if it is dark red it is a c4, light orangish means its a c5, and c6s look similar to c5s and c4s but u can look at the show info and it will say "deadly unknown space" You know if it is a nullsec, highsec, or lowsec from the show info page
I couldn't agree more, I was in a wormhole when your video came up on my notifications. Wh exploration is a great way to make money and in the last week I've been increasingly lucky with the amount of sites I've been finding, an 18m can seems pretty damn good to me though. I just made 32m from 3 sites and I'm very happy with that. The most I ever got from a site was about 80m.
I can't take the npcs in the level 3 perimeter and frontier sites in an astero or stratios. I tried a praxis once but I barely escaped before they destroyed me. I presume a well fitted legion would work but I won't have the skills for that one for quite a while.
My astero fit is very similar to yours but I only have one warp stabilizer and an armour/shield mod or something. Maybe I'll change that.
When I'm hacking I'm always aligned to my warpout point just in case someone warps in on top of me and recently I've been successful at making a bookmark on the way into the site between 200 and 1000km away from the cans. I warp back to it between cans in case some cloaky bastard is there watching me.
I havnt done it properly for a while tbh but i remember spending an hour or so in WH's and coming out with 100 mil plus. possible im not remembering right though :P
Legions are perfect I use a duel rep HAM legion for c3 and below never had any issues. higher class I tend to bring a few friends :)
@@DisownedHero Ah friends, I never thought of that. My corp works well for me but most of the members are only interested in exploring their own arseholes and they can be quite rude when spoken to so I tend to go it solo.
I started the game and within 1 hour had 113m in loot in my 3 mil heron. I guess its luck, i go to places with no players in it.
@@theyellowfury sounds like a great corp... 🙄
Yeah sounds like you need to find a new corp matey. No point hanging around with people who have no interest in flying together
I fit my WH hunting Asteros with Caldari Navy Warp Scrams for ships exactly like yours.
Then I hope I never run into you :P
@@DisownedHero I'd just drop a dictor on you. With a web. Point is the WCS are a waste of time, fit i-stabs or nanofibers in all your lows they will save you more often than WCS and it doesn't take forever to lock the cans up then, which is a nice QOL improvement.
@@memitim171 honestly I cant remember the last time I lost one of these so think im doing ok :) Again ill add you to the group off people I dont want to run into in WH space :P
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Nice video guys !
I find I make the most isk just buying 20 needlejack filaments and burning thru them every 30 minutes and scanning the pocket I end up in.
How much is most?
I'm confused this video is recent but how is the core probe launcher in a low slot? And the scram in a high slot? I just got back into the game recently, does it really change that often?
Hay, There not in different slots ive just rearranged them at the bottom of the screen so there easier to find
@@DisownedHero Oh hey I didn't know you could rearrange them that way, never even tried dragging them outside the row that matches their slot.
As far as i know you only find Pirate sites in classes c1 up to c3, so maybe you should stick to those. I actually find the most sites in c1, it seems like the percentage of pirate sites is higher there (not that many sleepers). You can also find Pirate sites in Shattered WHs
ahh ok if that's true would explain why I couldn't find them. Thanks ill test that out :)
@@DisownedHero yup, keep up the great content, I wish you the best of luck to find more sites next time :)
@@Plrmn12 wow so thats why im finding no pirate sites after 5 wormholes
More of these vids!
Lived in a C6 for years. Some of the most fun I have ever had in video games.
I always wondering if peoole say, they life in a WH.
So you have a Station there or you just log off and be in a safe Position where no one can find you?
Two Square we had several POS set up. We ran sites and would roll holes to get connections to other holes that had Corps in them for pvp and POS sieges.
@@networkguy3152 hey, thanks for your fast answer! So living in a WH only with POS?
Two Square yes. My Corp had several Player Owned Stations setup there. We had around 50 members.
Have you tried out Low-Sec/Null-Sec combat exploration?
I have done low sec and wh combat (found through scanning) but never null. Whats the monies/difficulty like?
Just got my first astero. I'm 6 days I the game. I love it, just don't got the higher tier items. Like the drone 2's and damage control 2. I just got regular probed also. But it seems to do pretty well. Not good at the game or anything. Just so far it's pretty nifty.
what ship do you reccomend for alpha exploration?
Any of the T1 ships, magnate, probe, imacus or the other one (forget the name) :P put t1 data and relic analysers on it, lows with stabs, a t1 cloak (if your going low/null/wh) job done :)
Heron is considered the 'best' exploration ship for the extra mid slots over the other races
@@DisownedHero alpha clones cannot use cloaks!
This is the fit I've run as an alpha for a while now and it works brilliantly. I made well over 700m in the last 2 weeks with this, and its dirt cheap.
www.eveworkbench.com/fitting/heron/f43a1293-f5cd-4af6-2d47-08d82e49cd2d
@Joe Hobo Alpha's (although its been awhile since I checked) cant use the Covop cloak but im pretty sure can use the t1 and meta ones.
Man that skin is fucking awesome!!
How you can scan and still remain clocked?
Drop probes, cloak and then scan. Simple
Also the covert ops site cans will do enough damage to one shot most exploration ships after one fail
I thought null space are all always claimed by some corps. They tend to be very ruthless
I use fits less than a million isk for a wormhole run... It's imicus most of the time (alpha clone)... And I made 22 mil from just one data site one time... And it's frustrating when WH's sometimes leads you to another high sec🙆🏻♂️... But, it is fun... I only do exploration when I am bored of mining and ratting...
its save without cloak? :/ i do not have the premium time yet, so i can get that xD
You can go into who's without a cloak and be safe. Just be sure to make safe spots in space so your not stationary next to planets, customs offices ect and keep a good eye on d scan for combat probes trying to find you
@@DisownedHero i'll keep in high space for now xD thx lol
Unknown wormhole: C1 to C3; Dangerous wormhole: C4/C5; Deadly wormhole: C6
OK here is me 2 cents experience from me ( i am a very new player). It is true you can fiend Relics who will give you 30+ mil, but here is the problem you will need to search for ever ! Not only this but this days so many corps are staying in WHs + all the random pvp + all billions of players who are doing the same shit like you do. If you are a omega just go mission lvl 4 . If you are alpha do Abyssal / Filament or Escalations , or just go in nulsec fiend a corporation and do rats. In me personal exp is not even 20% like in videos you guys see on youtube.
It used to be I could spend a few hours in a couple of WH's and come back with 100 mil. dont think thats a thing anymore so im glad I went out to see what its like these days.
They nerfed the spawn rates a while ago so im blaming that.
I was out longer than I thought and TBH I was lucky to find a ghost site. If that had been a standard site for 10 - 20 mil I would have admited that its really not worth doing.
Will have to see in a few days if Null Exploration is any better :P
You can speed the process up a bit by using a cargo scanner and only go for the big cans on each site. But I have to admit there is a lot of scanning and jumping involved. The best cans I could find were holding 80 or 90 Million. But at the same time I would often go an entire session with barely making 20 in total the next day.
I also got burned out of hacking/relics due to finding the same loot an blueprints all the time. Wasn't that exciting after a while. I used to run a Cheetah(?) Minmatar T2 CovertOps frig, doing this little trick where you form a fleet with yourself and marking cans you don't want (2 mil value). Even if I went really hard on chainrunning every site I could find it didn't felt worth for the time it takes.
If they would at least randomize blueprints a bit more, but it is always that Mobile-Something-Thingy, the same T2 Implant and a few others. Contracts for these blueprints are flooded and prices somewhat trash.
@@DisownedHero As an omega (covert cloak), I like to use WHs as gateways to null. Null has consistently better sites and the benefit of local chat. For an alpha, I would recommend joining one of the null alliances and playing in their backyard. I did that for a bit, but the lack of risk became a bit of a bore.
Wh Exploration is fully viable, especially if you can do wormhole ghost sites or willing to ninja c5 sites
Does this mean I was maybe just unlucky in finding sites or is there a trick im missing?
@@DisownedHero for pirate relic sites, stick to wormhole classes of A, B and C, aka c1-c3, ghost sites spawn in all wormhole space, if you want to ninja c5 sites thats a little bit trickier, and theres a few tricks too, firstly if you are serious about wh exploration don't use wormholes close to trade hubs or highly active trade/ship routes, thats where everyone who wants to kill you and your competition are, you want whs in low activity systems, and since your willing to risk wormhole space, lowsec isnt a bad idea for this, wormholes have patterns for their spawns, c2s and c4s for example always have 2 statics, so if you want to go on the c5 highway (c5's are famous for their incredibly long chains of systems that allow forces to project through wormholes), find a c2 or c3 with a c5 static etc. A praxis can run c3 sites by the way rather comfortably, is low SP and is quite cheap, c3s are also more quiet, as are c1s, c2's , c4s and c5s see much more activity (though most of the time you will be alone).
I'd say if ugot a covops, don't bother with safe spots just bookmark two moon on 20-70km off on quick warp and save u lot of time
is this ship possible to build as an alpha?
The only thing of the top of my head that an alpha cant use on this ship is the Covop Cloaking device so would need to be swapped for T1 or meta. I would recommend Alpha's go for the T1 hulls as without the T2 cloak it loses its main benefit so the extra cost isn't justified
nope, for non combat data/relic ur better off going LS than wormholes...every wh is 90% wh+gas+combat sites, you'll spend 15 minutes making safe spots, carpal tunnel from dscan checking wh on zkill and pathfinder for traffic , scanning all sigs ...until you find the odd doable relic/data site ...if it's not alrdy emptied or someone waiting for you )the only good thing about it it's that every c1-c3 wh has a guaranteed non combat relic/data site but you might find it looted alrdy...just jumping around in null will net you more,quicker, less hassle. It's good for practice ur flying skills if u got ships to loose ,not for money making much.
Pirate sites are only in the Unknown from what I have found, things to look out for when you have scanned everything down and there is only one relic site leave its a trap data sites are a waste of time, I have pulled between 50 and 100 mil in a dead wormhole but saying that Null can be just as good even low sec can drop 100 plus loot, Superior sites in high sec are my favs learn how to run them can clear half bill in blue loot and blueprints, need high skills though not for noobies.
Fit aint good, either go full fastalingn and run away (less than 2s align) or go full combat and lose against any stratios/t3. Those hybrid fits always fail, you cant do 2 things at a time and any faction scram will still hold you in place and your damage control will maybe help you survive another hit but thats all. That MWD is useless if scrammed, just give up on the idea of being of any combat value. Put in some hobgoblins to scare off T1 scanfrigs but thats it.
Good intro for exploration but why bookmark 100 klicks out? could be usefull to know, maybe cuz big ships have closed it, or pirates looking 4 easy pray. Cheers m8
Went wormwholing, made it back with 60 mil in an hour haha. Great video though, I think I just had really good luck today.
Its only worth the time/isk when you actually succeed in killing another explorer/miner and steal their loot and if lucky T2 modules... Other than that... its quite slow... and risky... But its really fun and exciting.
this dude just picking up litterally half my net worth "absolute rubbish"
52mil, was my luckiest and fastetest run so far.
1 imicus, 1 WH, 1 signature(LV1 guristas relic site) , 1 hack.
Just entered a HW, 2 jumps from Jita.
My first hack, an astero landed on me and I run away.
I Came back, sold the stuff, and went back to the WH.
wErmhole
damn right ha ha
Why don't you try out exploring before making a video? You surely have lost the touch. Get a grip and make your comeback. You are better than this!