New ship designs at MADEX 2023: HHI and Hanwha Ocean
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- Day 1 at MADEX 2023, the international maritime defense exhibition. In this video we focus on the new ship designs showcased by South Korea leading naval shipyards: HD Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) and Hanwha Ocean.
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01:37 - HHI new CVX CATOBAR variant (Korean aircraft carrier project)
03:31 - KDDX Korea's next generation destroyer
04:36 - HPD2200+ OPV
04:48 - HCX-23 mothership
05:17 - KDX III Batch 2 destroyer
06:21 - Hanwha Ocean's new Arsenal Ship (Joint Strike Ship concept)
09:05 - KDDX-S destroyer (replacement for KDX II)
10:16 - GHOST Commander mothership
11:34 - Combat XLUUV
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The multi-deck drone ship looks like something an artist designed instead of an engineer.
maybe big fan of marvel
Marvel has a big following here in Korea. Way bigger than Star Wars and Star Trek.
@@bhhn-964 more like from gundam
If you ever watched the Japanese anime Starblazers as a kid, the double deck carrier looks a bit familiar.
Yeah and Heavily inspired from USS gabriel giffordes stealth ship
Very good to see the ROK navy stepping up and I see the UUV Mothership concept something that many nations will consider!
Yooooo. That ship looks cool at
I doubt even South Korea will consider that design. The mission, yes. The weird layout, no.
Does anyone know what the leading design (most promising/advanced) USN unmanned "mothership" design would be at this point in time? I imagine, given USN budgets and advanced unammedn capabilities and development funds, they will eventually develop a selection of variants, perhaps one targeted at underwater unmanned, one for surface vessel unmanned, one for unmanned aircraft (either one for SVTOL/VTOL/helicopters and one for catapult launcher, or perhaps one design combining the features of both into one general air-focused unmanned ships. Then I imagine all varieties would have varying levels of smaller unmanned scount ISR assets like large quad copters with decent range at a minimum and I forsee quite heavy use of implementing loitering munitions/swarm attack technology as deemed neccessary, for light underwater stealthy torpedo-like swarms, cheap surface-level swarming munitions, and of course traiditonal air-based swarms.
I just haven't happened to see what the leading US prototypes look like within these near future classes of ships.
I love wild designs. On a world a different sized FREMMs, US style supercarriers, the drone mothership is refreshing.
it is always amazing to see what designs and concepts different companies and countries come up with! thank you for the coverage!
Japan has the largest number of industrial spies in Korea! A shameful country!
the designs are breath taking. i like the fact that we seem to have finally figured out model making.
KDDX..the main air defense destroyer of the future of Korean destroyers, has a very high localization rate..
That ghost commander concept made me feel things. I understand the financial limitations of the industry's ability to design like this for production and how unrealistic it is. But, God damn does it look good.
I've dreamed of unmanned drone carriers
The Korean carrier is quite beautiful. The two catapults suggest it's much smaller than US carriers that have 4 and sustain a crazy sortie rate. The ghost commander concept does look like the future of war. Unmanned AI driven semi autonomous systems are where it's headed.
It's overly complex. Just put two catapults next to each other on one deck. If you're dead-set on an offset deck, then put it on the same plane. You would get more overall deck space, have less of a wind trap and would probably give their engineers fewer fits.
Complex and unique designs that are complex and unique for the sake of being complex and unique have no place in a military TO&E. That's something the US has been struggling with for a long time.
You make good points but one can also think of potential advantages. The US pursues an overmatch to rival platforms - it isn't easy.
Edit: Grammar
@@aymonfoxc1442 Yeah. And I kinda favour small carriers. Big carriers are a huge loss when taken out and of course can only be in one place at a time. But I can't pretend to know better than the department of the navy. Pretty sure they did a lot of thinking before buying a $13Bn a piece of kit.
@@amorosogombe9650 Yeah, I like small carriers as well but people often overestimate how easy it is to sink a super-carrier. Back in the day, the big ones were slower but nuclear power solved that problem.
I think a fleet of smaller carriers is probsbly a more adaptable solution for any country outside of the US (which can afford a combination of the two) and will suit distributed drone warfare. Notably, China is pursuing super-carriers and this buys the US some breathing room because they are expensive and take longer to build.
We know this is an unrealistic design, but it's clear that it looks attractive.
in case of Hanhwa …that seems to be very very innovative !! I love them !!
Pls ROKN must choose Hanhwa design !!
Agree that the design is dope.
But design cannot destroy enemy ships.
Need to verify its practicality.
@@kakaungranduomo2666I agree
Looks amazing can’t wait for my future naval career in the Dutch navy and hopefully see them one day serving side by side 🎉
They saw the Avengers once and thought the double flight deck was a good idea, nice design from the Koreans tho and the double island carrier, now they have 2 rooftops to shoot from 💪
Koreans are building beautiful next generation military ships. Always ready to go battle with NKorea, and China made them battle ready.
I don't care if this is impractical. I love over-the-top military vehicle designs
Excellent overview there, Xavier and Naval News! Great job as always!
The two gigantic rockets at the rear dec of the arsenal ship are literally rockets to deploy LEO (low earth orbit) recon satellites in case of emergency (enemy disrupting satcom using EMP - as NK and China both has nukes, these can be used as EMP by detonating 100km above the sea level). There are currently 2 systems under development by ROKA and ROKAF.
Using various data link that Korea is developing, the arsenal ship can receive target designation from other ISR units (SAT, AWACS, drone, other ships etc) to relay it to various assets including L-SAM, ASM, HG ballistic and cruise missiles and new hypersonic ASM being developed.
The unique thing about Korean systems is, the indigenisations and integration of comms (data link), ISR assets, missile systems and launch platforms that no one else other than US and China has the full capabilities of. And they achieve this at a competitive price according to recent NY Times article.
Their only weakness is the airforce restricting itself to a cap on total operational planes and decreasing population where number of enlisting pool is shrinking YOY.
ROKA is also about to sign a new ammo upgrade agreement where the new ammo is supposed to have the double the range and 3 times the energy on impact. There is a video footage on CZcams from ROKA which demonstrates the new ammo. The results were breathtaking. For example, new 7.62mm round had 4 MOA at 600m fired by their new LMG!!!! Also it penetrated IFV armour at 1km from the same gun (22/30 on target at 1km!!!!). If this is real, no need to use ATGM or recoilless guns as LMG (7.62mm) will take care of any armoured convey other than MBTs. ROKA announced its intention to replace all existing ammos with the new types (556 762 and 12.7mm). This is the game changer!!
Another interesting design concepts, although SK ship builders would offer global design like T26 size or joint corvette to offer to allies like Australia who are looking at smaller warships with small crew.
The Australian Navy is not looking for SSC, they have a need for long range deployments. Hence their selection of the 10,000 ton type 26 Frigate (Destroyer) and the previous Hobart Class 7,000 tons Destroyer.
@@johnmartin6420 Hunter is junk, we will find out later in the year but most naval people are thinking its going to a be a dead project. Hence why BAE have released renders of the type 83 for the RN. But its fitted with the australian CEFAR radar and not the british SAMSON so most people are thinking its aimed at the RAN as attempt to save the hunter program against the competition from naventia
Fantastic work by South Korea props🙏✌️
I'm very glad to see our Navy chose to go for a CATOBAR large size carrier, there's no point of making a STOVL type light carrier without fixed wing AWACS and pair it with the most expansive, high maintenance but low performance out of the 3 version F35B. Sure they say the new KCVX design is a 40,000t medium size carrier but even looking a the concept model one can assume it's going to be a bigger ~70,000t carrier. The problem will be how will it be powered: conventional or nuclear? Looking the size, will have at least 2 EMALS, 360 degree covering AESA radar etc. the carrier will be very power hungry not to mention Korean Navy only have 4 supply ships AOEs (1 10.000t, 3 4,500t) to supply 3 home fleet and a maritime battle group which will be the future CSG, at min 2 AOEs is needed to accompany one fleet. And lastly just one carrier won't be enough, 3 will be optimum but at least 2 should be built to hopefully have one always operational, even building a second carrier will need public understanding and government commitment to build and maintain such expansive assets
So many people do not think of the maintanence downtime required. The U.S.has 11 super carriers, there are only 6 operational at any time with the others either undergoing refit/modernization, working up, or regular maintanence. Nuclear adds much more expense and only makes sense if your ships will be expected to sail for months on end.
I think Xavier himself was a bit flabbergasted with the ballistic missile and space rocket models on the flight deck of the Joint Strike Ship model. 🤣
That dual deck drone carrier design is very similar with Arasaka supercarrier from Cyberpunk 2077. what a marvelous design.
Was thinking more SHIELD Helicarrier but I see what you're getting at. Think it was called the Kujira.
Also, if you ever watched the Japanese anime Starblazers as a kid, the double deck carrier looks a bit familiar.
There's a Japanese dwarf who feels inferior!
@@caligulapontifex5759 There's a Japanese dwarf who feels inferior!
That is real innovation and new technology ...I love it ❤
These new designs of these ships are pretty out there but some still remain within design levels of previous U.S ships such as the Littoral ships. Why is the new laser system not higher up on the ship where I would put it so it is not in any other weapons way or blast site etc.
@goodjob3314he stated the flaw
Why you mad!? Can't accept critique!? Go watch golf matches or something
These ship design here feel like it come out from an anime
GUNDAM SHIP STYLE INDEED
@@marikawashizuka9580 wrong East Asian navy.
😂😂😂😂 Gundam Seed
Starblazers Gamilon carrier.
The US better buy some of these ships.
The combat mothership concept moves forward again. Including further innovations on flattops, both lightweight (~ Hyuuga, Mistral) & flyweight (~ San Giorgio & heavier). And if US DDGX end up being larger & nuke-fueled, that might affect & push the world's new lightweight flattops to follow suit
It won't.
40000 tons?🤭 More like 80000
yeah I think they're down playing it. Korean military youtubers are saying it's probably more like 60000 to 70000 tons. I think they're being cautious because of the people apposed to the ROK navy contracting a carrier. the previous plan was for a 30000 so if they find out that it's been increased to like 70000 most of them would definitely freak the f out.
Secret.. shh...
Multi deck carrier is pure fantasy.
Now I wanna see this ships on Modern Warships Game😊
Oh, I just thought of that too 😂😂
It feels like one of their naval engineers/architects decided to go the nostalgia plane and rewatch Gundam SEED, saw the ORB carrier and was like: "You know what, that's not a bad idea"
🤣🤣
Freedom and Justice 😂
When i saw that design all in my mind was the sword impulse landing in that carrier and tearing shit up.
“I want to see those beauties at modern warships before the end of this year.” XD
I'm digging the mothership designs
I'm getting SHIELD Helicarrier vibes on the drone carrier design.
Soon my friend!
We'll be getting gundam, Macross, and other things for sure
10:17 It's really weird how Hanwha Ocean came with an idea of a drone mothership with a multiple flight deck when both Royal Navy and Imperial Japanese Navy concluded that it's a dead idea during the interwar years.
Hmm, I wonder if anything has changed in the intervening 90-100 years? Probably not, right?
IJN Admirals saw potential on aircraft carriers, I think it was the Americans who didn't liked it.
@@jb76489 in naval aviation, the size of aircrafts changes overtime. Naval UAVs might be small today, but it will become bigger for sure in the near future just like before in interwar naval aviation: from biplanes to monoplanes.
Hanwha Ocean can build this multiple flight deck carrier design as is, but they will come up with a conclusion later on that they should have gone with a conventional one.
@@knit-abroad-glide I know that it's still a conceptual design, but it's really weird seeing a well established shipyard revisited the failed multiple fligt decks design.
Even someone like me with a surface level background in naval architecture can see the drag being generated by the 1st deck(?)/angled fligh deck and other problems that it might bring.
@@jonlaurenzreyes1902 everybody was investigating the carrier's potential early on though
It's like they're from another planet.
Favorite one here was the arsenal ship. Very interesting seeing the concept for large ballistic missiles
10:19
Ace Combat screeching on the distance. That’s just Ace Combat-ish
The ship with the balistic missiles
Back room Korea gov shipbuilders : nukes
Which will put them at parity to the north so fair enough
Hopefully join us in aukus pact soon from uk soldier
Bro imagine a drone carrier
where it can command and control 1000 drones all at once and arm them all with missiles and machines gun and perhaps even have bombs
Crazy Iol I comment similar about this but carrier drone controle by AI.
The last Aircraft carrier remind me of ancient Austronesian ship, the archaic design applied in futuristic ship is such interesting concept
10:15 OMG finally!! I've been saving cubes like crazy for that ship!! 😍😍
Oh wait!......wrong channel
That uav carrier looks like an avengers movie prop
To my Pinoy Brothers-in-Arms on the high seas. Good choice and Dios Bless Republic of Philippines 🇵🇭
The angled deck at different levels can clear obstacles during arrested landing, and also protect the bridge from one side, like a shield wall... Landed aircraft has to be hauled by elevators anyway...
Good design actually
But there's big flaw
They will have difficult time placing anti air defense since
It's stacked that's mean AA gun on below deck have limited angle and can't shot enemies target if it's come from behind stacked deck
Also if upper deck collapse from missile the debris will obstruct the bellow deck and may even destroy the stand by aircraft
Unique but unpractical 😅
There are few nations that could bring this level of fighting ships to fruition. And South Korea is one of them. Good to see our allies remaining strong and looking forward.
That drone ship looked like a combination of "Fs blue shark" and "ocean Avenger"
On the Hanwha Arsenal ship they should have the largest ballistic missiles on the back actually come out the sides of the ship rotate up and launch.. have the entire missle and launch system pop out kinda like the side missles on the f22
Im already mad that i know this concept will never be used just like all the concept cars they make every year in that auto industry
These new designs from the Sci-fi animations are becoming a reality.
Take two Gerald Ford class aircraft carriers and put them together with the tower in the middle.
Then do it again.
One for the Atlantic and one for the Pacific ocean.
Inbetween the twin hulls could be used to link up with submarines.
Thanks! Thank you very much!
The arsenal ship is a really intriguing concept although I'm not sure what advantages it has over submarine based platforms.
Perhaps better payload, lower maintenance and operation cost?
Looks awesome... and please put more defensive weapons and offensive weapons on carriers so they can actually be more lethal
At first I thought the idea of navalizing the Korean KF-21 was a cool idea, where perhaps it could be upgraded in the future into a proper stealth fighter, but wouldn't it just be easier to import F-35Cs from the US? SK already has F-35As and will be using F-35Bs in the CVX-1 and -2, so why not make the logistics easier and cheaper and get the F-35C? They would be the first foreign operator of the C model, which would be interesting.
One possibility is that they acquire both aircraft, which would make things expensive, but would be undoubtedly the most effective option...
i think that's a good idea. But as you saw at 10:17, even a drone carrier with stealth drones will be built in hanhwa ocean. Those drones are efficient in terms of human resources because they can perform joint missions in conjunction with kf21n later. In addition, the Korean government does not consider the introduction of the f-35c because kf21 is considering evolution to block 2 and block 3. 😊😊
@@Blood_Moon__98728 I don't that Drone carrier is going to work as a design. A drone carrier would probably look more like the CVX-2 shown, actually. Also, later blocks of F-35C will have drone integration as well. Though, you do still have a good point with the SK government evolving the KF-21 design, as it would be important to make the Borame worthwhile.
Because you need to enter activation code Everyday for f35
The Ghost commander mothership concept looks insanely cool, but can see many design flaws. Catamaran hull design on very large vessels are difficult and risky to construct due to potential structural integrity issues. This ship looks even more off balance than the conventional aircraft carrier that could flip during sea storms. It's not aerodynamic which will affect speed and fuel consumption. A neopanamax single hull design with twin angle flight deck (one on each side) with a centered island and an open top cargo bay with a telescopic crane would be more practical, balanced, and sustainable design. A mere suggestion that could help secure an actual sale in defense contracts with a more tangible and realistic design.
this carrier like bee hive, the drones is the bee.
I really like the arsenal ship..
It looks like most people are glossing over the fact that the concept drone carrier will also be fitted with "directed energy weapons". It may never grow past the conceptual stage, but there is a chance of laser drone carriers in the future.
Love the 2 islands going around the world
me: Sees the thumbnail.
my brain: PICTURE IT! ONE MILLION LIVES!! SALVATION!!!
Another step closer until we get the S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier.
10:30 did somebody watch too many Avengers movies?
10:19 Hmm, the Millenium Falcon. Wow, that's a winner.
looks like [Gundam00 ]behring class
Aint no way that carrier is only 40,000Tons, its gotta be at least twice that unless it just uses drones instead of fighters.
These designers/engineers should develop ships for Star Citizen. They'd have a lot more practical looking ships with badass style.
I was wondering when the VLS cells would get spread out and might even be subdivided by mission. I think I see fleet defense, Land Attack, Surface Attack, and then gun and missile based close in defense. You can put larger missiles in the midship where you can elevate the decks, so if you need longer range cruise or THAAD type missiles you have a place for them. I like it, a ship that can take a large span of missile sizes and they can also move around the magazines so you can air defend while firing a long range strike without the missile wash interfering with each other.
*ESPECTACULARES....* LOS DISEÑOS CONCEPTUALES DE HANWHA OCEAN.
having an elevated deck would certainly increase hangar space. I don't know enough about tri-hull designs to comment on its seaworthiness
Problem with that is that the higher the deck. The less stable the ship, so you end up having to make he hanger deck lower which limits the size of the aircraft the ship can handle.
Ships like that would take another 30-50 years to develop the techniques and technologies to even build the necessary facilities and manufacturing and probably another 10-20 years to build even certain portions of the ship, let alone the whole fleet of replacements. Only possible if half of Asia was United under one Asian nation. Plus, apparently someone was inspired by the avengers S.H.E.I.L.D helicarrier design.
Ya ya, just like the luxury submarines that never got built.
What is that, on the Thumbnail? An Orb Union's Takemikazuchi Class Mobile suit Carrier?
A very informative and fascinating video!
You've earned my subscription 👏
Great example great presentation !!
미사일 순양함은 신박하다고 해야할까... 특이한 아이디어긴 하네ㅋㅋㅋ
10:17 if this would go into space it would be a ship in Infinite Warfare.
Thank you video brilliant compliment.
Why does the last aircraft carrier remind me of the one from gundam oo 10:17
5:02 liking the new trimaran , a concept I very much believed in............. - pity no one seems to be building them . US ones suffering from stress problems !
좋은 자료 감사합니다 🎉🎉🎉
bro the last one looks so cool
When will an executive class version of this be available to the civilian buyer? It looks like a good fit for a certain portion of the private market.
Still using shaft driven propellers, why no Azipods, wouldn't that make the vessel more maneuverable and reduced weight?
9:12 Philippine Navy representative theyre really checking out new ships arent they
this administration is focusing in navy than mrf idk why but its good tho kid marcos is interested in submarine
@@z5170 we don't know whats gonna happen to H3 as far as I know they're eyeing for gripen
@@kevinalcanzado974 the chance of Gripen C/D MS20 from winning over the Viper block. 70 is higher than ever with the appointment of a permanent Defense Secretary.
Tho the Philippine Air Force can still get some older F-16C/Ds block 30/32 thru EDAs which is rumored to be provided by US after the successful EDCA negotiations.
@@kevinalcanzado974 also, the Philippine military loves Kimchi due to its high tier capabilites at a cheaper costs.
There's also the freebies they offer like used warships and aircrafts once their products were selected.
@@paulsteaven yup your right and as we see in this video there warship is nice looking and the weapon is good actually, no wonder south Korea is the leading ship building country in this hemisphere, probably in H3 they're like to buy the ffx batch 2 or 3
If you ever watched the Japanese anime Starblazers as a kid, the double deck carrier looks a bit familiar.
There's a Japanese dwarf who feels inferior!
very futuristic concepts
Greetings . Is it possible that the US 155mm AGS gun will be rethought to equip both older ships and future designs, or is it unlikely? . Thank you .
The trimaran drone ship looks pretty cool
@10:20 Looks like something out of an anime. Reminds me of uchuu kubo Bluenoah.
Some designers: you saw that flying aircraft carrier in Avengers, let's make a floating version of it.
His boss: 🤔
10:20 Looks like something from Gundam 00, one of the antagonist surface carrier vessel. All that's missing now with Gundams and Mecha units.
Realy I like this new ship
The generals may not like that design, but I do.
Xavier are you going to Seafuture in La Spezia?
The multideck design looks inspired by a comic book movie but doesn’t actually work realistically.
UUV drone motherships aren’t going to last very long if they aren’t at least semisubmersible
Geez I need to be a naval architect, that one carrier is dumb
S.H.I.E.L.D called, they want their helicarrier back
That ski-jump.
lol
Who every designed the Ghost Commander, clearly went of a Marvel binge with helicarrier involved
The multi layer aircraft carrier is seen in Gundam 00. and Gundam Ironblood Orphans.
so... perhaps some engineer is a fan...
Now lets wait until modern warship add this ship 🗿