"What has happened to our great game!" - Browny fumes over SOFT calls & HARSH bans! | On the Couch
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- On the Couch's Johnathan Brown raises his big question on why the state of the game is becoming so soft.
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I'm 100% with browny. You can see where it's going. Sad really
Don't blame the Afl. Instead blame the explayers who are queuing up sue the league. Can't have your cake and eat it.
Cameron and Bedford given the same punishment as Davies is insulting to every supporter
AFL is a joke
100% agree Browny
This is all the work of lawyers, getting the AFL to demonstrate that they are taking all possible measures to prevent concussions, so that 10yrs down the track today's players will have no recourse for law suits. This is a world-wide phenomenon that will eventually lead to the end of all professional contact sports.
Lol you mean Lier's
@@andrewkerr5296 you mean former players wanting compensation
Not all. MMA will never go anywhere
@@geoskillzand that's why it's becoming more and more popular by the day
Im very sceptical of this actually. There have been cases where players have tried to sue the sports governing body for injuries suffered games and none of them have been succesful. Thirty years ago an ex Italian soccer player with dementia tried to sue the Seria A (well his daughter did ) for his condition. Something to do with heading a wet ball over a twenty year career. Cant remember exactly what was involved but the Italian courts threw it out nonetheless. I dont think there has been a successful case anywhere in the world actually. When you choose to play sport, you accept the potential risks.. the only exception is when you are the victim of violent assault etc which is deemed outside the rules laid out. Somebody tried to sue Roy Keane from Man United for a dirty tackle if I remember correctly. He didnt have a prayer suing the club or the FA, but he did have a case to sue the player who had injured him through a very dirty tackle.
That is absolutely pathetic in all aspects of a contact sport.
This is getting out of control.
Our great game is toast
Suits have pillaged it.
It was dead long before this further sanitation.
What suit? Seriously, can you name a single successful case? Not having a go at you, but everyone talks about the legal risks, yet I dont think there has ever been a successful case, in any code, anywhere in the world.
@PeterM1-qx1tz he means, corporate suits 😂 Not lawsuits
@@PeterM1-qx1tzdoesn’t have to be successful, AFL are crapping themselves incase 1 does. As I much as I hate what’s going on, I don’t blame the AFL for what they are doing, it’s the players looking for a cash cow. Bit like Krackour brothers suing for something that happened 35-40 years ago, but their feelings only just officially got hurt now, when there is money available. Blame the players not the AFL
As bad as AFL has become in regards to suspensions and rule changes, this is next level, I'm shocked, honestly, I am lost for words, fabric of the game is destroyed, no further path needed, well said Browny , thanks for flying the flag of sanity
youre not lost for words you are literally typing words after saying i am lost for words lmao nuffy
@@doogi30 it's called a figure of speech..
@@doogi30 rage bate-ing bud, jog on. It's a figure of speech.
Get the players to sign a waver to show they're aware that they're playing a full body contact sport and they can't sue for compensation !
They already do sign waivers, there's a difference between freak accidents and workplace safety.
WHY, so when your disabled through footy whos going to pay all your bills and living cost going forward when you cant work through an injury. We all have work care. COVER is so important to all players.
@arthuralexiou8839
AFL players get paid big $$$ if they’re any good. They shouldn’t need to work another day in their lives after footy if they’re smart with their money.
So get out with that. They step out on that field with the intention of being the best and making big $$$. It’s why they’re there.
You can’t whinge that you were never quite good enough and so didn’t make the big $$$ and now you’ve got concussion issues. The individual still chooses the path they took to play AFL. Nobody forces them, they knew the risks, they decided to have a go anyway.
Maybe it should be expected that players actually take some personal accountability. They choose to have a crack at AFL, whether they succeed or fail, get injured or are unscathed. They know what they’re getting into.
They get paid alot of money as it is while choosing to play the sport.
This should be the final rule change:
Every player should sign a contract that they understand they might receive head high contact/concussion. By signing this its make them unable to sue the afl down the track if this may occur and they accept all liability as it's a contact sport amd these things happen.
If they don't want to sign then don't play
Unfortunately under WHS legislation which is federally legislated, a waiver would not override the act. Hear what you’re saying though👍
Would be too sensible of an approach these days..
Same as signing a 'waiver' before you do an obstacle course, play centre etc..
This has been proposed before but wouldn't stand up in court. It wouldn't be that hard to prove (by balance of probability) they were under some coercion to sign it etc
the game has gone to dogshit. Haven't watched since the changes this year
Lawyers shaking every single tree out there rn, it's sad.
Duggen tries swinging charlie off of him, causing him to lose balance and fall over with charlie on top of him. Charlie didnt cause the action, sling, dump, or anything. Yet its 3 weeks. Toby didnt dump either, danger literally got off for the exact tackle before.
it wasn't the exact tackle as Danger.. but I don't think Toby Bedford had anything to answer for either.. good tackle
@@daviecrockett2272exactly! Danger should have got off and Toby should get off. Both text book tackles where the player ends up with a bit of a bump to the head, but it’s a tackling game, players are going to get a bump to the head occasionally. It’s a contact sport for God sake!
Yep, Im a mad keen Eagles fan and agree its Duggans own fault. I hope Charlie appeals because its a ridiculous turn of events.
Well done to all who stand up against it like browny unlike the afl puppets like Damien Barrett and Tom Morris
They have totally f..... this game
I stopped watching afl 5-6 years ago because of exactly this issue. No one is forcing blokes to play and they are well compensated. Stop ruining the game.
Couldn't agree more, games getting so blood-y soft. I'm about done with it.
Same it's getting really really ridiculous. Some players you can see it aren't even tackling now because they're afraid something will go wrong. Needs to stop
The game is simply being over officiated. Four ground umps have caused a "too many chefs in the kitchen" situation.
Beautiful tackle Bedford . . .
I am a safety professional and it's a well-known established understanding that you can't punish people into being safer. Taking concussion out of the game is admirable but it will never be achieved through fines and punishments. The health and safety laws that people mention when talking about concussion and players "workplaces" does not require all risk to be zero. Risk is a part of work (and life) and the requirement of the WHS law is to lower the risk as far as reasonably practicable. That's what the AFL will have tested in these court cases. Did the AFL do what would be considered reasonable to manage the risk to concussion related injuries? If work had to be without risk, then we wouldn't have police, firefighters, and a lot of other professions. There will always be different opinions on the acceptable level of risk, and the courts will decide. At the end of the day if you have a system of work that requires 100% of the workers to get things 100% right 100% of the time, your system will fail. I think the AFL has to settle on its risk appetite within the game rules and stand by it. Risk will rarely every be a zero-sum game and while it's admirable to try and achieve zero harm it's not a realistic quantifiable goal in many occupations, including contact sports.
Afl is turning into touch football 👎
And the AFL think that ‘Opening Round’ nonsense in NSW and QLD will get more NRL supporters to switch…not if these disgraceful rule changes keep ruining the game. No wonder NRL is becoming more popular. People want to see risk and courage and toughness. We don’t want to pay $27 minimum to watch touch footy
NRL is getting softer too, don't you worry about that. It's just the world in general now, everyone is softer
The game is on it's way out if this is the new standard, time to rename and rebrand.
If the AFL is determined to say these tackles are not acceptable, they absolutely must come out and say, in each case, what the tackler should have done differently.
Bingo!!!
Exactly, tell us what they should’ve done other than letting him go
This is an intelligent comment. Cheers
Bedford tackle is still a legal tackle and no free so how can you get 3 weeks for something that isn’t even a free kick
When did the local council take over the afl?
Bedford was in the same situation in Round 24 2023. They let him off that time to play St Kilda in the first final. I went to that final and I screamed out without so much joy that he was playing - along with Welcoming Uncle Colin to electricity and modern medicine - that the staff saw fit to eject me from the game at quarter time and give me a 2 year ban from the MCG.
This game is so broken. There is no stopping the AFL Mafia. If they r so scared of law suits, why don’t they amend contracts to say, concussions happen. By signing here, u agree u can’t sue us
This game is turning out just like soccer. Any half attempt at a tackle usually turns out into an opposition goal and the tackler is in trouble with the coach and fans.
At this point the footy has turned into aerial ping pong
Didn't hear Brown say this when Sicily got 3 weeks last year for tackling McClugage
I would encourage Toby to let up mid-tackle...split second adjustment, however, not sure how to do that at high speed.
This should be renamed the "eye for an eye" rule. The suspension is purely dependant on how the player getting tackled is affected
Tackling fairly = 3 weeks
Throwing an elbow with intent from behind= 1 week
Wow!!!!
Players need to sign wavers to play afl. The only way out from the legal leaches.
The once great game, is now a farce.
The game doesn’t even make sense anymore.
It looks more ridiculous than it ever has.
It’s become pointless 😂😂
I thought h was gonna say "...like Sammy Newman can do with a mannequin!" LMAO
As much as I love cameron, he could of easily just held him up.. he didnt have to dump him..
bedfords suspension is a joke
The commentators, the experts all said “we need to protect the head” well these are the consequences. You can’t say protect the head and want a contact sport to still be contact. Pick a side and stick with it. The AFL is pandering to ex broke players who knew the consequences and accepted all the accolades at the time but no w suffering the effects of that. Karma anyone? If you don’t want to be concussed, then do t play the sport. The players have the most responsibility here, they are adults and the AFL should stop buckling at the knees to this concussion stuff otherwise it could be flag football soon 🤷
I warned everyone a few weeks ago, boycott attending until the AFL wakes up and realises they’re ruining the game.
It's like telling boxers that they shouldn't punch. It's football... it's a contact sport!
25 years ago I said it will be Gaelic football one day.
Mission accomplished.
Wait till they ban high marking (knees)
Bring in mandatory head guards?
just fucking can the sport if you cant even lay a tackle
Ralph showing he is VFL. Excessive force? WTF? He tackled and didnt sling or aggressively hit Taranto. Ralph is a fool.
What next? The knee and ligament campaigners?
VFL rules.
I stopped watching the AFL about 5yrs ago due to the constant rule changes/decline of the modern game. I get it re concussions. Its just the game is far less enjoyable to watch.
Yeah it's not as enjoyable as it use to be
A legal tackle is to be between knees and shoulders how can u tackle and not wrap the arms up? We are taught to wrap the arms and ball up so they can't get rid of the ball it is essentially impossible to tackle under the new guide line.
The afl has been bad for a long time. The last great old school game was the 2004 grand final
2005 and 2006 weren't bad!
1995 was the last great year of the AFL.
Why don't AFL make players sign a waiver to agree that they understand the risks of playing footy and can't sue them
Absolutely agree with Browny.. when he speaks the AFL need to listen.. non contact sport is coming. 😢
That was the last straw. Now the game is truly lost.
Patrick Dangerfield is a prime example of the AFL's protected specie
I watched a game from the 90's the other day and a few since. I didnt watch one game from last weekend.
Could turn it back on the afl & get em to soften the grounds a touch
I'll tell you what's happened. Lawyer's. And on top of that, the 3 people running are lawyers.
It’s what you get when you have a lawyer running the AFL
Genuine question... if amateur and non elite players of Australian football, who played in AFL sanctioned competitions, are suffering the long termeffects of multiple concussions, are they also allowed to pursue the AFL?
If you want to play a contact sport sign a waiver at the beginning before you step onto the afl, vfl, sanfl, waafl so they understand what you are doing and what the repercussion is, worst case scenario if the play they tackle gets one week for concussion give the tackling player the same time so its even on both sides
Rode motorcycles my whole life.....Never entered my mind to sue anyone
both lads spoke perfectly so true, accidental clash is part of the game, it's why they get crazy cash...well partly
$$$ insurance payouts for concussion
The AFL will soon become a non contact sport if tackles like Bedford's and Cameron's are not allowed..
What a absolute joke, the AFL has lost another supporter because this isn't the sport l remember!!
That's part of the agenda, the AFL are gradually trying to phase out tacking and any form of contact.
Mitchell lewis gets head whacked week before, no control over body when falling and dislocates knee. Player responsible gets away scott free. However this one which is so much softer, 3 weeks.. dont understand.
Easy fix. AFL just needs to mandate wearing helmets. Any player that doesn't takes their own risk and if issues happen, the AFL won't be liable.
Have you heard of the nfl? This is where the concussion talk around the world started..
a mandate is a request to do some thing voluntarily , its is not a law
@@astonishedhoplite2510 both of those players would have avoided concussion if they had worn a helmet
@@hardto994helmets don't do anything to prevent concussion
The past players of this game will be the death of the game
Both tackles are textbook and should be the standard kids are taught. I would rather see headgear mandated to prevent concussions.
On a positive I thought the Eagles players raising their hands to call the Dr out straight away was fantastic. Their concern for the health of their mate over him playing through it was admirable.
Imagine if boxers were told to change their punching techniques...😂
Agree with Browny. But starting tomorrow I would be teaching the players to grab the jumper and not to grab the whole upper body including the arms , grab the jumper and get the free kick , players seem able to grab the jumper plenty when the opposition doesn"t have the ball .
Can't wait for brayshaw to sue the afl over the Maynard bump. Every decision has increasingly ruined the game for a bit of money at the expense of the fabric of the game.
I was concussed playing footy saty got whacked and smashed going up for a mark
Play on was the call.
Tackling will be gone in 5 years, games is on its last legs.
Yeah i think so too. It's getting so soft omg
We are not far off suspending players who fly for a mark and make contact with somebody. Maybe we should suspend somebody who chases a player if it makes them run too fast and they do a hammy. It is easy to make all of the stupid arguments that the AFL make for tackling on both of these (and many others) instances.
This is everything that this BS is about. $$. Thats it. It's not as much about the players safety as it is about the money. We live in a corporate world from top to bottom. The 5 years has opened that can of worms for everyone to see. DEI's & ESG's have taken control of your every thoughts & in this case our great game.
Notice that the AFL is harder on interstate team with suspensions. AFL doesn’t like interstate teams, let alone in finals.
Our great game is ruined
It is an absolute joke what do the AFL want, do they want to end up with touch footy where all the players have to do is touch the player and it's holding the ball.... what a joke
It is it's a joke
Concussions are part of the game, if you don't want to potentially be concussed, don't play the game. It is a bloody contact sport. Why can't they just make players sign a waiver before they're allowed to play?
The AFL might as well just ban tacking and make it a touch-based game. This is becoming a joke. All those former players who tried to sue the league for money over concussions, they're partly responsible....yet they have the nerve to call the modern game soft. You can't have it both ways!
ive yet to meet one person who doesnt think michael christian is a flog
Yes. Right on.
Disgraceful that Snooze has been banned for 3 games. Disgraceful. VFL.
Patrick Dangerfield did the same thing as Toby Bedford, Dangerfield got nothing, Bedford gets 3 weeks? Typical Geelong players being protected by the AFL. I don’t care if the outcome of the player being tackled is different it’s the exact same motion.
Joel Selwood and Dangerfield were/are endangered species in the eyes of the AFL. Nobody can touch them, but they can do as they please to someone else.
Afl players get 10 times the average salary. They benefit from this their whole playing career.
Once they stop playing and start looking for a job that pays 60k a year, like most people live on, they
figure I'll sue the Afl. If you don't want to get injuries in a contact sport, then don't play it.
This is all theatre and the whole AFL stance around concussion is posturing to try and reduce liability. There's two real simple questions you can ask to determine how serious the AFL really is.
1) Is protection of the head and prevention of concussion in the AFL the utmost priority? In the AFL is the head "sacrosanct"? True/False?
2) Do helmets/headgear help mitigate damage to the head and reduce head injuries, True/False?
If both answers are TRUE, then helmets would be mandatory in the AFL. Yet helmets are NOT mandatory in the AFL. So which statement is false?
Ask the AFL.
Edit: Further to this, why have we seen basically zero innovation in the design of protective headwear in the AFL? When Phil Hughes got hit, immediately the helmet design was changed specifically to prevent that injury from ever happening again. Maybe the AFL will figure out the image of the game or players isn't worth as much as the 100s of millions, maybe billions it'll have to start dishing out in lawsuits in the future.
I don’t understand how players can sue the afl in a contact sport for incidental concussions. Unless there’s some negligence on looking after the players mid game after a concussion (even though players would lie to get back on the ground) how can they possibly have a case. To that point the afl is now trying to doctor the rules, destroying the game to keep as browny said and rightfully so the concussion campaigners happy. This sport is becoming an absolute debacle.
Lawyers stirring the pot with everything rn $$$$$$$$$$. Sad.
couldn't agree more with browny wwhat was bedford supposed to do? Just let him run past?
What do you expect with Victorians running the show?
It's got nothing to do with "Victorians", you just have a clear anti-Victorian bias.
A lot of us Victorians don't even agree with the AFL's stance
Laura Kane 😍
And Andrew Dillon, be as angry at that dipshit as Laura Kane
Time for a new league..AFL Retro ... bring back 80's and 90' style footy
I'm all for making the game safer but last few years they've crossed the line where the very fabric of the game has been changed
So only a miraculous standing grapple will do.
This leads to more chance of one of those great drop-ball “disposals” is more likely.
Or even better, the new throw-pass to a hovering team mate.
The AFL has to stop its delusions.
Neither of those acts had malice or intent, nor negligence.
Footy is hard to watch.
It's time for people in the AFL community to call out Laura Kane and the rest of the wokie crew in charge at the AFL. How much longer will we let these people ruin our game. Let people sue the AFL, you don't need to change the fabric of the game, let them take it to court.
Let’s just let ‘em start playing TAG 🤷🏻♂️ Absolutely pathetic…
This is absolutely disgraceful, what was bedford meant to do? Magically slip his hands underneath Toranto? Also letting him get the hands free would've been an easy handball for toranto to his teammates. Completely agree browny
Agreed Browny, wouldn't be surprised if he isnt "on the couch" next week for speaking the truth though.
Is Browny going to cover the class action payouts? Because that’s all this about like it or not. AFL covering their arses do get used to it
It’s legitimately heading to flag football. Thanks lawyers 🖕
Players are getting hurt because they are CHOOSING to take possession and try and BREAK the tackle whereas twenty years ago they would either knock it on to advantage or dispose of it instantly as soon as it hits the fingers. I mean, its a contact sport, dont want to get KO'd? Dont get Caught with the ball!! This is the unintended consequence of umpires refusing to apply the RULES of holding the ball and deciding on their own to turn our game into rugby. Every single one of these guys who has been hurt only has himself to blame. The players duty of care is to THEMSELVES first and foremost.. so if you dont want end up in an MRI machine on Monday morning, DONT GET CAUGHT WITH THE PILL!!
Paranoia about the issue in regards to possible legal consequences in the future.
The AFL are eliminating litigation responsibilities from them to whoever is the tackler. If someone in 10 years wants to make a claim they will have to identify the individual who tackled them and caused the head trauma, not the AFL.
IF U KNOW THE GAME, U KNOW THE RISKS. ALL PLAYERS SHOULD SIGN A CONSENT CONTRACT PRIOR TO PLAYING UNDERSTANDING YOU MAY GET CONCUSSED IN A CONTACT F...N SPORT. THE GAME WILL END UP TOUCH FOOTY.THIS IS BECAUSE EX PLAYERS ARE TAKING THE AFL TO COURT LEFT RIGHT AND CENTRE.
3 WEEKS!?!?