I Never Expected the Range and Penetration I Have With this Receiver... Walksnail Avatar Review
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- čas přidán 22. 05. 2024
- I decided to take the Walksnail Avatar video receiver for a spin at my standard spot for testing range and penetration. I was very impressed with how well it performed here. I was able to hit areas of this spot no other video system has been capable of reaching.
Sorry for the spotty audio. They recently took out some trees by the road and I wasn't expecting it to be that loud now.
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Intro 00:00
A look at the hardware 02:05
Flight Testing 09:23
Conclusions 17:59
#walksnail #fpv #hdzero - Věda a technologie
I prefer the 720p100hz mode at 50Mbps because it gives the lowest delay. 25Mbps should be better for scouting though since smaller RF bandwidth is more stable. I like the option to run this on my HDZero goggles, but obviously I run HDZero 99% of the time
I've been looking at getting the HD Zero goggles so that I can run any video system except DJI (screw DJI). I've heard they work well with the Walksnail VRX, thanks for doing a review.
Got the Avatar VRX December, did a lot of testing, for me it performed significantly better than my system at the time (O3) and I sold the Goggle 2 and all my VTXs, and switched completely, for a short time.
The system is great, for what it is, and from the retransmission systems it has by far the best flight feel and consistency. I use 720p100 exclusively and high bit rate when within LOS and standard for everything else. Power doesn’t matter too much it works great on 25 even (I use the 1S at 350) (on a 45 minute autonomy 4”) and can fly basically my whole neighbourhood, with good antennas though, otherwise it won’t make it through more than 7-8 houses, ask me how I know) and at 1200 I can go literally anywhere.
I got the HDZero goggle at the very end of December and by the middle of January I literally progressed in my flying more in those two weeks than the last two years, that’s when I found I am extremely latency sensitive and that my brain just couldn’t deal with my previous video systems, thus the huge gain in skill, when unencumbered.
I have since been flying primarily HDZero, especially the Runcam90 (with a proper lens, stock is borderline unflyable for me) followed by analog for the ultra light stuff (I really struggle flying analog sometimes, because of the flashes) and Avatar for the exploration, scouting, and long range.
That’s my happy combination!
I use the Avatar VRX on a tripod connected to my HDZero goggle as it’s way too heavy and uncomfortable hanging it on the goggle. Plus I use diner plate/helical antenna only (no omni) and penetration and image is always great.
I also run RHCP on everything for the same reasons! 👍🏻
could you give me your plate setup on the vrx? i m trying to get my hand on a WS vrx for only long rang stuff but i dunno what antenna combo i should use.
@@tomymoonly Two triple Feed Patch Array on Ant1 + 2, 7 turn helical on Ant3, 5 turn helical on Ant4. That’s it. Cheap and simple.
Works extremely well!
Especially if you have someone to help you move the tripod, it’s great 👍🏻 I do kick the tripod with my foot to move it when alone and flying parallel to myself, but this is rare, and only when exploring massive properties. Most of the time I’m flying away from myself and not around myself in a giant circle 😜 but that does happen occasionally.
If you have any other questions don’t hesitate to ask.
About which lens for Runcam90 are You actually talking about? Thanks for answer in advance :)
@@jarekdomanski7985 The easiest and cheapest good lens is the HDZero Nano camera upgrade lens. You can get it directly from HDZero or anywhere where their products are sold.
Or use your favourite M8 lens from your racing cameras that you are already used to Runcam, Foxeer… Just make sure it has sn IR filter as a lot of the Foxeer Predator5 cameras have the filter on the sensor, as opposed to the lens.
But the Nano upgrade lens is inexpensive and available everywhere, so I use that most of the time.
For the consistency and availability.
Plus it’s a great lens with really good colours and contrast and no distortion (the opposite of the lens it comes with)
They had to keep the price of the camera down and unfortunately put a cheap and crappy lens, but it’s an easy fix, so I’m not mad 😜
walksnail is killing it. prices are good. they listen and actually produce what people want. if the new VTX and the VRX had USB-C they would be just about perfect.
I'm still hoping for an sd card slot on the vtx, but I definitely like where things are going. Usb C transfer speeds would definitely help for offloading video files.
I was debating HDZero or Walksnail VRX but i've been leaning towards the Walksnail system, it keeps getting better and better.
want to see you more again thx for sharing
I'm so happy with the walksnail system.
Very cool, man. Thanks 👍😍🤘
Great video my hdzero goggles are waiting on me at home can’t wait. I’ve been also thinking about getting the walk snail add on for when I end up building a cinewhoop. I wonder if putting one of the circular antennas at 90 deg would help a bit when flying behind you??
Nice to see you back with the GoPro. That DJI Action was just terrible. Glad to seer you still ripping and would love to see more.
I didn’t even use a GoPro here? 🤷🏻♂️
@@stingersswarm You had an 11 on the drone didn"t You? I was just saying that I like your videos much better with the GoPro than the Othger.
@@jdd1777 ah you are right. I didn’t end up using that footage. I see.
@@jdd1777 no idea why people from the USA support a Chinese company in DJI. GoPro needs our support!!
@@JaydenLawson because GoPro doesn’t support the fpv community. We are just a drop in their ocean of water.
Velcro in FPV is very underrated...lol 😆 But seriously that industrial strength velcro is strong AF. And it's probably cleaner looking with no mount.
Good review Stingy. 🤙🤙🍺🍺
Nice video, that's my exact setup and I love it. I prefer the 720 high frame.
I fly walksnail for fly thru tours and the penetration is amazing. Best settings for me have been 720p high frame rate at 25mbps, and believe it or not, the lower the channel, the better the penetration. So choose the lowest channel with the best signal.
Look forward to more
Interesting I've had the hdzero goggles since February, I had the sharkbyte system before, I feel like walksnail has matured enough now it might be better for some things, I was thinking of getting walksnail for hdzero, but why stick with hdzero if the screens are the same, curious if the module performs better than the goggles, or if the bugs have been worked out over the last year.
720p, low bitrate, low framerate, 1000mw is the most stable for me! The gyro is in the cam btw, not in the vtx.
If you use the HDZero HDMI cable with 90 degree ends, it’s much more compact 😊
Funny you mention the mount. Mine broke the first day. Printed the replacement with hard TPU
Hi nice vid! What for a FW version you are using here?
Hey, great video! I'm intrigued - will this setup (Walksnail VRX + Accsoon Seemo + iPhone) actually work? Could you share more about the connection, battery life, HDMI quality, etc.? If it pans out, it could indeed be the ideal minimal setup for those without goggles.
OG PILOTS ... Yall remember the Quanum DIY Goggles?? Feels like we moving backwards wit HD0.. Not to diss but that is just tooo much ish on the head for me. I was going to switch to the Walksnail dom goggles from v2s just for the form factor but then the Goggles 2 dropped and Im happy for the form factor alone, but the pic is also amazing.
I fly 720p standard bit rate at 200 to 500 usually.
Occasionally switch to 1080p high bitrate to remind my self of how good it can look.
Mostly free style proximity 720p or cruise a new spot at 1080p.
TrueRC stubbies and Patches.
Switched over from analog and wow.
Even fly it in a 4" with the nano vtx and cam on a racetrack: 25mw standard bitrate 720p.
Coming from analog I can finally fly together with DJI pilots and not get pushed away from interference.
We only keep in mind to warn each other plugging in and make groups to space out channels if going for the 8ch settings.
Haven't flown HDzero while others are flying Walksnail because I'm the only nut that flies both systems on one day.
V1 vtx tends to just die for no reason.
V2 is on the shelf waiting to replace a v1 that died after a really bad involuntary run in with a fence pole.
Lollipop 4+ work great with the TrueRC antenna's.
On my 4" I have a hglrc hammer LHCP I'm combo with the nano vtx and cam. That nano vtx is a tank compared to the fullsize v1 vtx, it's survives hard crashes on a racetrack and freestyle crashes on hard surfaces.
All VTX's are powered trough 9v/10v from the FC, or 5v for the nano.
4s.
I use the Fatshark Dominator Walksnail goggles. First order at rotor riot and all is good. They had them in stock all the time and service is great, delivery to Europe took less then a week. Ordered before Walksnail really took of with the sales and before the VRX unit was launched, so no VRX on my HDzero goggles, I just pack them both and see how many DJI pilots are there to pick my goggles.
HDzero on the racetrack gets interference badly from them, Walksnail: no problem.
I just need the impulserc regulator, osd board, and some 5v vtx's to make a come back, haha.
Switch the stock patches out. It made a big difference with my wing and long range flights. The HDzero Goggles are my next purchase.
I fly the Walksnail System with the Goggles since December. I fly it as main System. And realy enjoy the System. for Freestyle i use 720p with high Framerate. And for my Wings i use 1080p and i can see a diffrent between those 2 settings
Great video. Thanks. Still haven't jumped to digital yet, but this looks compelling. Would like to support the company that is the most open-source (maybe doesn't currently exist?), and listens most to users. What do others think the closest company to this is?
'Open HD' then mate.. Its early stages but will definitely catch up eventually..
what battery do you use? seems like a 3000mah 2S drains pretty quickly for me
Nice video! I still prefer analog systems though. If I break or loose the quad, at least where I live, the digital VTX only is the price of my whole 5" mark 4 drone so a no go... =D
I don't see a difference in 25 and 50 mbps. So 25 and 720 is my standard settings. 1080 would be nice for cinawhoop work.
what frame are you flying these days?
Looks like a great System as Combo with HdZero. I think i still carry my Goggles 2 and a DJI O3 Quad for exploring, still have to much of that Stuff. HdZero Quads are all three ready and still waiting for HdZero Goggles to Ship out..😅 Waiting Game..
I too want to make all my antenna RHCP for simplicity. But, would putting RHCP stubbies on the VRX (and RHCP on the VTX) not make the integrated LHCP patch antenna obsolete?
I’ve replaced the patch antennas too.
@@stingersswarm Ooh, sounds good. I'll check out those options :)
use the true rc patches that screw onto the side sma's (like you would use on analogue with an angled adapter) rather than those that clip on the front. That way you can mount the ws vrx on the front easier more securely with slightly less leverage(weight) on the face. I only ever use 25mb at 700 I've done everything with that setting. flew so far 1.5 miles on that no issues per say. Also I've flown with a mix of lchp and rhcp and had pretty darn good performance. That 1.5 mile run was done with lhcp stock patches and rhcp omni on the vrx and rhcp on the quad had perfect video no issues.
I’m glad that someone is experimenting like this! Kinda feel like for the most part things like this just aren’t thought about by most people 👍🤝
with the new googles coming out would you still buy this? to keep around the fatsharks?
1080p 25mb, 1200Mmw and low frame rate is my go to. Best picture and best range for me. I use the HGLRC Hammers as my antennas for the V1's and for the V2 VTX's I use the Foxeer Lollipop 4+ but I only use the Fat shark Dominators HD! The standalone VRX is horrible for me on range in comparison, with several different Omni antenna setups, the patches are garbage I believe but I haven't tried different ones on those. Cheers Fam 🍻
Brother I’ve gone through so many patches to see what works well, I’d love to see some scientific research done on them all as I have noticed differences even on two units made by the same people! 👍🤝
are you running hdzero for cinematic stuff?
Does it feel like more latency than DJI?
Im running this setup but the extra weight on the front pulls the HDzero goggles down a lil.
Switched over from analog to the Fatshark HDs and Walksnail and never looked back. Sold or gifted all my analog gear, and I have NO regrets. Walksnail is killin it after all the updates 👊
Edit: What school is that? Looks really familiar 🤔
Do you notice the latency on walksnail compared to analog
People here are talking about using RHCP omni's (including @stingersswarm) so that they don't have to switch over all their other gear, but if the VRX has LHCP patches baked in won't this cause signal issues?
It's possible to switch out the patches on the VRX (though I think it's a bit of a faff, and requires a bit of dismantling)
You use a ufl to sma and mod the vrx. This is needed for better patch (for long range) or changing polarity.
@@wesley4713 though if your just going to fly long range once in a while you could just swap out the omnis with patches
Fantastic flying and testing, Kevin! 😃
This system is really tempting!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
this is the most twitchie flying i have ever seen
Do you build your own Quads?
Dude, you need to use the noise cancelation feature in da Vinci, cut down that road noise, haha.
Yeah the stock patch antennas are actually pretty good, it's only the Omni stock antennas that aren't the greatest.
I just bought the VRX and the HD Pro VTX and love it.
When are you posting another video;-)?
Wish you'd done some back to back vs 03 since you're saying it goes deeper than dji
I trust he knows what the systems do if you regularly fly the same area you get a feel for these things
@UgpFpv right, just vastly different from my experience, OG and Vista went deeper than Analog. WS was similar penetration to OG/Vista 03 going quite a but deeper than them. And HD zero with the least penetration of all (in concrete parking decks)
@@Fly_High_FPV don't know if you had the goggles or the vrx... V1 of the vtx or V2, and what firmware?
The stock patch antennas of the vrx are much better than the stock goggle antennas, but there is word that the V2 vtx has less range than the V1..., Things are always changing.
What goggle set did you mount the vtx to?
HDZero
Tis a chunky combo 😅 how about an ultra portable option?
720p 25mb 700mw is more than enough for flying bandos.
Held on to my Dji gear for a while but sellint it now. WS is all i need 👌🏼
Do you have the WS VRX or Goggles?
@@zuldanfpv4634 Googles, sorry didnt mention that :P And stock google antennas. Just swapping the vtx antennas to OG Caddx Cherrys made a huge difference
720p high frame high bit with walksnail goggles stock antenna's works well
Cross polarity dual antennas would allow diversity and also packet splitting cabapilities
2T antenna packet splitting allows twice data at twice the pace so essentially four times faster data via means of space
4T4R config would match 4g capabilities but a lot of antennas for some good airwaves
I don't understand why you wouldn't put the receiver on a tripod if it sucks sitting on your head.
Cool video Stingy - I'm on HD Zero, & analogue for racing and freestyle and DJI O2 & O3 cinematic and exploring... O3 is outstanding for me, for exploring and has great penetration too.
I'm building toward exactly what you're doing. The only thing that would pull me toward using a Walksnail Vrx, with HDZero, would be, so I don't have to carry two sets of goggles with me. A decision that I am not ready to make in a day, but I want to be able to hike to hilltops, with my gear, so the second set of goggles is a pretty big difference for me, if I want to be able to have both very high definition video at the goggles, and in the same session, be able to switch over to super low latency, for after I know my environment.
I just now am getting into drones. And I see a ton of people use and love DJI. Why is there dislike for DJI aside from the they seem like the bully big brother on the block(I can understand if it is just that). If there is a video explaining you can point me there. Awesome video though!
They have CCP Members on their Board of Directors. They use open-source software, change it, and then close the source. You have to buy into their whole closed ecosystem.
They support the military, they arnt as open source, i.e you have to root them, and cant just flash addon public code.
but maily the military! And can easily make your flight id like phones have become, in offerwords, you have to put your email address in your phone before it even goes on to the main page, i suppose what im getting at is "i dont like being tracked and manipulated!" Very biest comment their🎉🎉😢
my biggest complaint about my HD zeros other than the lose IPD adjustment is the weight. no review talked about it before i bought them. even worse with the WS VTX on it, my neck hurts after one pack and i get a headache for hours after a session. it sucks because i bought them for WS. Thanks for the review, Stingy
slap WS receiver on radio stand (Clearview style)
@@SirCrashaLot good thinking but not high enough for good reception. i put it on a tripod when im at home BUT i like to show up at a spot and get in and get out before anyone starts beef with me. ideally it would live on my goggles. i might end up 3d printing my own goggle case and take out the HD zero receivers since im not even using them. then try to build the WS VTX PCB right to the goggles.
Something we did in the military was add a counterweight for the rear of the night vision goggles strap to support the neck vertebrae and it works very well with nods. I’ve tested it with goggles and of course it works the same. I have severe disc damage from my stint in the Marines on active duty and this is how we mitigate the effects.
@@WarriorLife_fpv i'll give that a try so long as it's fast to set up and not too bulky. thank you for your service!
Did he say HDZero goggles with WS vrx performed better than the actual WS goggles?
I got hdzero on all my quads. And after talking to Drew at Rampage and seeing all these videos, I'm scared lol. The low light is so good on walksnail with the pro kit, the penetration is better than hdzero and it seems cheaper too....what do I doooooooo
Why have you stopped using DJI?
I like the lower latency hdzero. But I still want higher image quality sometimes. I can have both and only pack one set of goggles with this setup.
@@stingersswarm Exactly!!
I was thinking about building a drone specifically to live in my car with this walksnail RX or hdz rx. Mounting the antenna's on the outside somewhere and plumbing the HDMI to a screen on the dash instead of goggles. This way anytime I see something cool on the road I can have a scout flight. Probably with a LION battery since I'm a little sketched on keeping lipo's in the car always :P
Cool idea!
I was thinking of a similar idea if you want to share thoughts or collab on it. I want to make an x8 capable of carrying nv/thermal sensors. Probably using a cinelifter frame. HMU if you’re interested.
Haha inside the perfect bad weather spot. I was thinking some antenna with magnetic bases to attach on the outside and pipe a cable in through the window. Just need to extend the antenna correctly for clean signal (what im researching).
This is how an HD system addiction starts... 😅 next you'll have DJI o3
In @lemonsquareFPV's comment above, he says the Avatar system significantly outperformed the o3 so... dunno about that
He said first thing he has stoped flying DJI so idk
7.42 I heard the word latency and nearly threw up! 😮
Nice Kev 🦾👊🏻
I using 700mw,, 1080p, 25mbit, 60fps
1080p low bitrate 1200mw. Never flown anything else 😂 never had a blackout
I’m accepting the “nose weight” on my face because…… because I’m skint! 😅 I’ve no other reason myself! 👍🤝
put it on high on tripod and have way better reception
First
Test analog there next :)
He said he's tested everything here
@@JaydenLawson Yea but is there a video for us to see?
Why’s this hobby gotta be so technical, I wanna get into this so bad but there is so much to learn 😂
I just got Walksnail vrx (haven’t flown it yet) for my HDZero goggles. Based on all the info the best setting for power is 700mw as over that it is not stable.
Always use high frame rate on HDZero googles as it can do the 100fps.
Finally use 25mb s as there doesn’t seem that much improvement in 50mb mode.
Damn this hobby😅 trying to start out but seeing guys with 1000€$ goggles strapped to their head is a downer😅
You’ve got to start somewhere. Don’t worry about having all of the latest and greatest. Focus on getting the best results with the gear you have. Then slowly expand that gear as needed. Keep doing that as long as you enjoy it. I hope that helps.
Please, sir, do not slap antennae.
Got burned buying analog goggles
Got burned buy DJI V1 goggles
Got burned buying HDzero.
I'm not buying a 4th system. Forget flakey stuff shilled by some random internet guy.
In which sense did you get "burned"? Maybe you have the wrong expectations if none of the options satisfy you...
Define burned?
Thats literally all the options lol. Maybe FPV isnt what you thought it was?
The goggles shouldn't be burning you, it's the video transmitter that gets toasty..... obviously you have no idea 😅 🙃