I remember Dot's eulogy at Jim's wake when she claimed that even though Jim may have been a racist once but when she knew him his best friend was Patrick Trueman which made him smile
Well, not completely. I remember an episode around 2006 when he was criticising Ruby Allen and Juley's interracial relationship and even Phil had to tell him to stop. 😆
@@sallyrae1292 the writers forgotten about that he liked gus when he was with sonia, but go bk about 15 yrs to the earlier ones of these in early nighties he is one of the biggest racists ever along with that Derek the bully
Yeah he was so racist him and Patrick truman were inseparable like brothers, the only point here is you couldn't see the point go cry racists elsewhere the lefties will listen
Poor Jim he didn't do anything wrong but i don't blame Carol for kicking off like she did they could have had a picture of Billy in their house if they asked Carol for one.
One thing I don't understand about this is that Jim couldn't even stand up. He wouldn't have been able to put the picture back there. She should've blamed Dot.
As much as this is her grief, Jim is no position to really stand up for himself here. Dot did just that, she told her why there isn't a picture and Carol was being too selfish to listen to her
@@kaz9430 Yeah but after that he changed and was even best friends with Patrick, a black man. But I suppose it's in fashion to self-righteously hold people's past mistakes against them forever and ever these days.
That's why I'm glad I weren't watching EastEnders at that time to see what Jim was like then. Much preferred when he later became a more softer humorous character when he got together with Dot and became friends with Patrick.
I agree jim was a racist. But ppl forget jim comes from another time. It was a "norm" for him. im not saying jim was right or siding with him just that we are products of our environments. Jim was probably raised with prejudice parents. I hope some of you keep that same energy when talking about Sean slater. He too was a racist. Look at the way he treated Patrick and Gus. Also look at Dirty Den, he didnt want Sharon with the young black boy back when she was a teen. Look into it.
Sean wasn't a racist. He did bully Gus but not because he was black. He didn't pick on Patrick because he was black either. He bullied Mickey who was white. He picked on Jack, Phil, Max, and Jase who were all also white.
@@Kyleeeeeeeee agree!. He just picked on soft targets it was ridiculous. I always remember him trying to pick a fight with "johnny allen" back in 2006 just because johnny was in prison, he wouldn't of dared to that if johnny was on the square. Sean would of been dead
You're not wrong, but Jim was worse than average. Not every white grandparent in the 90's would refuse to speak to their black son in law or see their mixed race grandson. The 90's weren't the 1950's. Jim changed, but that doesn't excuse his behaviour in the 90's. He owes Carol and Alan a massive apology, I wonder if he ever did?
I'm also not sure we can call Sean racist, as he had no trouble beating up white people or being horrible to white women alongside his black girlfriend whom he also mistreated. There's no indication Sean's behaviour was racially motivated. Sean beat a white sex worker in 2008. He was not adverse to hurting anyone.
People change. But was was racist previously, he didnt accept Alan, Carols previous partner and Billys father. This was around the time Billy die and a Mourning Carol's emotions were getting the better of her.
Quite unfair when Carol slagging Bradley off because he hasn't done nothing wrong to upset Carol. Carol had a point about Jim though being racist and I always hated Jim in Eastenders.
I couldn't stand Jim because he was horrible and nasty throughout this programme. He used to be abusive when towards son Max when he was growing up and Carol had a point about Jim being racist. I can understand why Carol is upset and angry with Jim. 😢
Carol's out of line here. Justified to a degree but she's just plain wrong. Morgan is right there. Can't expect a picture to be up when you never gave them one.
@@akarex2k9 Okey dokey. human beings are not set in stone, they aren't even set by their experiences up to a particular age. It can be harder to change their ways as they grow older, but not impossible. We had over 10 years worth of episodes depicting Jim's character and in that time he transitions from someone apalled that his daughter(s) would marry anyone too 'foreign' for his liking into someone who didn't hold those prejudices anymore. Not only was his best friend a black man, not only did he regularly socialize with Patrick's also back girlfriend/wife/family, but he accepted and cried over the loss of his black grandson too. Carol was wrong in this clip, lashing out due to grief. He didn't have any pictures of Billy because he and Dot were never given any. Carol was judging Jim for who he used to be not who he is. And in case you think this is JUST fiction, look up Daryl Davis, an African American who convinced over 200 KKK members to change and turn away from the organization, accepting that they'd been racist, that it was wrong and that they were going to endeavour to NOT be like that again.
Call down Caral I only had the d d d d d d digestive biscuits this morning. But Jim the tin is empty. Chill out love I was p p p p p p peckish and had the c c c c c c custard creams. Don't tell d d d d d d d Dorothy I had her fig rolls. Jim what's that smell? O God my p p p p p p pants it's the laxative I found in the draws.
Lindsey Coulson is such a magnificent actress, we were lucky when we had her.
“ whoever that is “ dotty lol 🤣🤣🤣
The true racist is revealed
That part really got me 😂😂
@@SassyCat20 honest I was crying 🤣🤣
@@stag_gt . Same lol. I'm sure it was Dotty. Dot's granddaughter. Btw it's my birthday tomorrow. I'll be 20.
The ironic part is that later in life, Jim's best friend was Patrick who was black.
Yeah that may have been his way of reprieving himself but he would have done better by owning up to his past and apologising to his children
@@celtictarotreadings333 How could he he had a stroke
That was literally the only point of having Patrick and he's still here lol
He's not racist at all or anything I mean he had a friend who was black and that's patrick
"Later in life" didn't he only die like 5 years after this?
Lindsay coulson is probably the best actress EE has ever had
I think Lacey Turner is the best for sure
She is amazing so believable
Both Lacey and Lindsay are amazing @@gillianmcewan3570
@@gillianmcewan3570no she's rubbish
"Whoever this is" that cracked me up and that was funny when Carol said that. 😂😅
Billie's death was sad don't blame Carol for lashing out at Jim for his past racism but was sad seen John like this
Carol was a slag, who hated her family
Will Jim didn't kill Billie. And stop playing the racist card grow up
Get over it
@@jetnight88 no. Racism is wrong. That’s not gonna stop being true and ppl aren’t gonna stop caring about it
@@jetnight88 if you watch earlier episodes Jim didn't want to know Billie as a kid and was racist to his dad
0:20 Bradley was a whole lot more respectable than Billie grew up to be.
Jim really screwed Carol up in the same way as he did Max.
He really was such an appalling father to carol and max and favoured derek and jack
@@theyoungwolf9852 and Suzi
In all fairness, Jim did eventually change his ways
I remember Dot's eulogy at Jim's wake when she claimed that even though Jim may have been a racist once but when she knew him his best friend was Patrick Trueman which made him smile
Well, not completely. I remember an episode around 2006 when he was criticising Ruby Allen and Juley's interracial relationship and even Phil had to tell him to stop. 😆
Felt bad for Jim here but I don't blame Carol for kicking off.
He deserved it the racist old bag
He did not like Alan because of the colour of his skin
@@gemmaaboagye8951 but Patrick the shop owner is his best friend I’ve seen them together they’re like brothers and he’s black
@@sallyrae1292 the writers forgotten about that he liked gus when he was with sonia, but go bk about 15 yrs to the earlier ones of these in early nighties he is one of the biggest racists ever along with that Derek the bully
@@gemmaaboagye8951 but his best mate is Patrick forgotten storylines
This scene is hilarious if you imagine shes talking about Billy Mitchell 😂
Jerry She’s talking about her son Billie not Billy Mitchell
@@djwalkerfemaledj duh
He said imagine 😂
Do you know what hilarious means? Because that wouldn’t be hilarious at all, it would just be very weird.
@@30Something90sChild and in turn funny 😂
Man this must have just been awful for Lindsay to film, but what a trooper John was.
Lindsay is a fantastic actress
Carol did have a point
Yeah he was so racist him and Patrick truman were inseparable like brothers, the only point here is you couldn't see the point go cry racists elsewhere the lefties will listen
How? Dot clearly said they don't have a picture of him because no one gave them one.
Stick to selling converted rice
A lot of racists say they have black friends
@@carlt9265 What on Earth is converted rice? 🤔
She was brill bring her back
Poor Jim he didn't do anything wrong but i don't blame Carol for kicking off like she did they could have had a picture of Billy in their house if they asked Carol for one.
Its because in the past Jim was racist and didn't except Carols partner Alan
God I miss Lindsay coulson
Linnnndssaay Coooullsonnn !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GURL you kicked this scene's ass ! Damn she's great in this scene !
RIP June and John
One thing I don't understand about this is that Jim couldn't even stand up. He wouldn't have been able to put the picture back there. She should've blamed Dot.
Carol don't talk about Bradley like that
As much as this is her grief, Jim is no position to really stand up for himself here. Dot did just that, she told her why there isn't a picture and Carol was being too selfish to listen to her
But if you go back years Jim was a racist and never wanted carol marrying Alan because of his race
your a clown
@@kaz9430 Yeah but after that he changed and was even best friends with Patrick, a black man. But I suppose it's in fashion to self-righteously hold people's past mistakes against them forever and ever these days.
@@anonymousnobody326 I agree 100% it was so different back then was just commenting on the storyline itself but you are right.
Carol should've mentioned Max aswell
Doesn't matter what Jim did...
He was still carol's dad. John Bardon was a legend in EastEnders. Rip to John and Jim. Miss you every day.
I always thought Max was the only one who hated Jim. Turns out Carol hated him as well.
Get stuffed
@@gorillanotion1024 Who you telling to get stuffed? Get stuffed with what?
You can’t forgive bad behaviour because it was done by family members. That is self destruction to its core.
‘Don’t you dare deny it’! Erm he can’t Carol as he can’t speak because of the stroke! 🙈😂
But he was a racist. He and Dereck tried stormed Carol's wedding because she was marrying a black man.
Oh shit I wanna see that clip
That's why I'm glad I weren't watching EastEnders at that time to see what Jim was like then. Much preferred when he later became a more softer humorous character when he got together with Dot and became friends with Patrick.
Could you upload more jim stories and any feuds he had aswell please
Oh missing Billie photo
I agree jim was a racist. But ppl forget jim comes from another time. It was a "norm" for him. im not saying jim was right or siding with him just that we are products of our environments. Jim was probably raised with prejudice parents.
I hope some of you keep that same energy when talking about Sean slater. He too was a racist. Look at the way he treated Patrick and Gus. Also look at Dirty Den, he didnt want Sharon with the young black boy back when she was a teen. Look into it.
Sean wasn't a racist. He did bully Gus but not because he was black. He didn't pick on Patrick because he was black either. He bullied Mickey who was white. He picked on Jack, Phil, Max, and Jase who were all also white.
Sean wasn't racist. He just liked easy targets. He also bullied Mickey and Darren and lots of other white people
@@Kyleeeeeeeee agree!. He just picked on soft targets it was ridiculous. I always remember him trying to pick a fight with "johnny allen" back in 2006 just because johnny was in prison, he wouldn't of dared to that if johnny was on the square. Sean would of been dead
You're not wrong, but Jim was worse than average. Not every white grandparent in the 90's would refuse to speak to their black son in law or see their mixed race grandson. The 90's weren't the 1950's. Jim changed, but that doesn't excuse his behaviour in the 90's. He owes Carol and Alan a massive apology, I wonder if he ever did?
I'm also not sure we can call Sean racist, as he had no trouble beating up white people or being horrible to white women alongside his black girlfriend whom he also mistreated. There's no indication Sean's behaviour was racially motivated. Sean beat a white sex worker in 2008. He was not adverse to hurting anyone.
Talk about knocking the board over. Carol has enjoyed doing that to make up for her own shortcomings
Of cause Dot's gonna have pictures of her biological granddaughter in her house more than ones she only met a couple of times.
Age and infirmity hide a lot of things.
Funny how she called him racist but patrick a black man was his best friend
Doesn't change the fact he was racist. He hated that Carol was dating a black guy and was even racist when he first arrived
People change. But was was racist previously, he didnt accept Alan, Carols previous partner and Billys father. This was around the time Billy die and a Mourning Carol's emotions were getting the better of her.
0:17
Never liked Jim since i saw the way he treated Alan
Even though he changed in later years and was friends with Patrick?
Quite unfair when Carol slagging Bradley off because he hasn't done nothing wrong to upset Carol. Carol had a point about Jim though being racist and I always hated Jim in Eastenders.
I couldn't stand Jim because he was horrible and nasty throughout this programme. He used to be abusive when towards son Max when he was growing up and Carol had a point about Jim being racist. I can understand why Carol is upset and angry with Jim. 😢
She's accused him of being racist yet his best friend was black
he was originally he refused carol marrying alan who was black
Carol's out of line here. Justified to a degree but she's just plain wrong. Morgan is right there. Can't expect a picture to be up when you never gave them one.
Jim did actually mean it when he pur hes hand on Carol's in this episode
Probably wanted to give her one.
Pretty low, yelling at someone too old and infirm to even be able to talk.
Ppl forget jim changed. He wasn't racist by the end
u clearly don't understand at all do u
@@akarex2k9 I do actually. Evidently better than yourself
@@227060 explain then...
@@akarex2k9 Okey dokey. human beings are not set in stone, they aren't even set by their experiences up to a particular age. It can be harder to change their ways as they grow older, but not impossible.
We had over 10 years worth of episodes depicting Jim's character and in that time he transitions from someone apalled that his daughter(s) would marry anyone too 'foreign' for his liking into someone who didn't hold those prejudices anymore.
Not only was his best friend a black man, not only did he regularly socialize with Patrick's also back girlfriend/wife/family, but he accepted and cried over the loss of his black grandson too.
Carol was wrong in this clip, lashing out due to grief. He didn't have any pictures of Billy because he and Dot were never given any. Carol was judging Jim for who he used to be not who he is.
And in case you think this is JUST fiction, look up Daryl Davis, an African American who convinced over 200 KKK members to change and turn away from the organization, accepting that they'd been racist, that it was wrong and that they were going to endeavour to NOT be like that again.
@@227060 excusing racism huh how pathetic
Anger issues :V
Pov: you tell a funny joke in university in 2023
carol should be
Hang on carol he not racist
He was before.
I HATE car ol
Im with jim!! Stick to your own!
That’s how ure lot think
@@TextBookPuncher1 agreed
Carol was a bad mother, and then slept with her sons friend lol
Why does she care so much about billy? He's not even a Branning and they were never close.
Billy is carols son, Jim's grandson but I wouldn't want Jim around my kids!!
Negan's Dad She's is talking about her son billie. Not Mitchell
She was talking about her son, Billie Jackson
She was talking about her son Billie, not Billy Mitchell
lool oh dear...
I really don't care what people say yea doesn't have a pic of bilie so what
Thank you however liked my comment
A really over-worked and tritely working class stance, in this scene...is this Carol a Labourite.....how droll..
Working class? Betraying your own and calling your father names? No
Call down Caral I only had the d d d d d d digestive biscuits this morning. But Jim the tin is empty. Chill out love I was p p p p p p peckish and had the c c c c c c custard creams. Don't tell d d d d d d d Dorothy I had her fig rolls. Jim what's that smell? O God my p p p p p p pants it's the laxative I found in the draws.
Lay off the crack
All of your comments are beyond ridiculous.
@@zainabkhalid103 Your profile picture is ridiculous.
@@Black.Sabbath Good thing your opinion doesn’t mean anything to me
Sonya looked jew/Israeli
Pathetic storyline. Jim displays tribalism and there's nothing wrong with favouring your own people.
Callum , yes there is
@@jaredporikos2197 Even liberals favour their fellow liberals over those they deem "racist".
@@STEJTHEGREATEST oh ok
Said like a true racist 👍
@@mitchellreynolds1277 said like a true cuckold