Online Poker Bombshell: Explosive SCAM Exposed - Game Changer!
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Really leaning into the serial killer vibes with this room decor
Looks like it is getting more damp each day.
@@mrdjr6544gg poker promised him an upgraded accommodation if he can con 500 guys into signing up by the end of the week
Mold!?
the suspenseful music adds to the vibe.....
He's a bleeding head bangrr
Everytime there is cheating, it is talked about for few weeks then everyone shuts up. Poker community is not about justice, they just want to be able to play. This has been going on for 20 years.
Lol no. If you couldn't beat a bot twenty years ago, you were guaranteed to lose all your money anyway. Online poker was insanely easy back then.
@@Tom_Bee_ what does being easy have to do with something being right or wrong. You kind of proved my point. The poker community is okay with cheating on certain situations,but is against it in others. Poker players do not care. This will get blown over and players will continue to play on these sites
@@Tom_Bee_ also if you read my comment it's not just about bots it's about cheating period.
Idk if people don't care, I think it's more that there is a also oligarchy of stakeholders who run online poker... THOSE guys don't care about cheating as long as business is still good
I’m gutted I’m good enough to play pro but these games suck life outta me river card always
Never play online poker for real cash. You will get baited out and loose your money to groups, like this.
Just play super tight and aggressive and you wont lose to these people
GG Poker is a Scam, ACR is a a Scam, online poker is dead
Nah, all you need is to pay about 200 bucks per month on a training site and learn some new obscure terminologies and you'll be fine 😂😂😂😂
@@FriendsForFriends666 I will hire a half naked hippy to tell me what other gamblers are really thinking
@@Stoic-poker where do you play?
GG is a very easy to see its scam, play professional and see you lose all your money 2 or more years and bad players ( lot russians) are profit on sharkscope..... o noooooo sharkscope ................. noooo thats over because lot players see what i see!
Yep two much weird stuff happened on ggpoker compared to live. thats why I only play the free daily games and thats it. Poker stars is not as rigged but also weird sometimes. Playing live always better
@@MrPokerpro2
He's getting videos out while being held in a CIA blacksite huge respect!
😂🤣😂
He already has the hair, why not take the next step
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wet room lol
Poker stars are by far, the worst. Not only the bots and AI, but the RNG is just not even hiding it at this point. I had an 8 hour session recently where we averaged 62 hands an hour, and there were 14 straights, 9 flushes, 8 sets, and 13 2 pairs for a total of 44/62 hands in the first hour alone. This is statistically impossible.
It encourages horrible play, bad beats left and right, but it at least forces players out of tournaments right into the next one or re-buys increasing the rake.
It... I dunno... should be illegal.
Wow, that is a large samplesize you've got there. Absolutely statistically impossible over that large a sample. A whole 8 hour session at 62 hands/hour you say 🤯 Definitive proof, case closed, shut that site down
@@indubioprokokolores6502 There is a study from 1 million and its way off and the problem is not that is off.. is when, the big spots the important spots for your bankroll they crush you.
Person above is a shill
Indubio is a plant who works for PokerStars and reviews forums and threads to discredit the allegations
Well, I guess this is going to be the biggest poker live boom we will ever see.
No absolutley not
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Online dorks Will be wipes out in 6 months baceuse they dont get live poker.
Also No one wants them there
It's unfortunate because in a lot of countries there are few casino and not all of them host poker games regurarly, for example im from italy (61 million people), and there are 3 casino of which only 1 host poker games regularly
Online poker has been very fishy for me for way over a year. That's why I almost completely stopped playing it.
Poker site admins aren’t changing anything because they’re obviously in on it smh I no longer play online poker
20 yrs ago, one had a chance online, but them days have been long gone
I think shadow banning could be an effective technique to help curb some of this activity. It would be quite humorous to isolate several bot-rings and just have them endlessly playing each other in their own player pool while they donate rake to the site.
Lol good idea
Goat idea
These companies also need to partner with gaming anti-cheat companies like BattleEye or others to write a kernel level anti-cheat. The online poker scene is a decade behind the gaming scene and even then it'll still a problem in the gaming world.
This is brilliant but the problem is finding the bots
maybe dont play on unregulated sites and then be pikachu shocked when you get cheated for 5-6 figures. you want the good (easy games unregulated) without the bad (not cheated).
Sorry, you cant have it both ways. Either take the regulated safe route or don't be surprised when it does come out there are bot rings and scammers and RTAs.
They should make everyone use their real names
How does that change anything? The sites themselves are rigged.
They do..when you sign up. These gangs still find ways around it obviously. Fake IDs and bank accounts. Its the full works
They do some private games make you
But it still doesn’t stop them from cheating
Sobering news, even for an old low-stakes sit n go player. I don't care about playing any more if people have hacked the game ~ from the outside or the inside. No way forward but to quit playing on-line.
I’ve known for ages there was cheaters on gg. Too many weird calls too many bad beats.
There no hope
i used to work for what i guess now is the 2nd biggest online poker site, in the collusion and poker team. The amount of collusion taking place was staggering, and this was going back 10-15 years ago. Can't imagine what its like now with AI. This is why I no longer play online, even at small stakes.
Really? I've benn trying to believe that these poker rooms are not rigged for action. Guess i was wrong.... sad sad sadsa dasdasda sdasdasd as
@@111jamelao they are not rigged. thats not what I said. I said collusion is riff... collusion a form of team play, which includes things like pot buiding, chip dumping, squeezing players etc. the games are legit, just a lot of cheaters are in those games. Which is why these sites have specific teams just dedicated to catching collusion.
I just recently quit playing online on ignition… I wanted to believe it was legit but after 2 years of non stop losing I finally quit. Lost thousands
@@thaxbest2180I've actually been fairly profitable on ignition, it's one of the softer sites out there
@@thaxbest2180😂
i'm officially quitting online poker. I just know i've been getting scammed.
Im playing online and im winning, so how you are getting scammed and Im not? Scammers May exist but your winrate is almost not affected by them
@@pablocuevas1052 you are the problem with this... a lot of players have actually accepted getting scammed... to say it don't affect your winrate is crazy... go on, keep playing online lol
Same. I know they are setting me up constantly. I'm done.
@@pablocuevas1052 He is not saying he is losing... But even winning they steal money from you. Is so obvious.
@@pablocuevas1052tell me your a plant without telling me your a plant
Stopped playing online last year.. my focus is live MTT's and cash games
I will say at least charlie has the balls to speak about it unlike most guys especially being paid by site tuck there tail and hope they dont have to speak, man money really isnthe root of most evil 😢
Money itself isn't evil, it's the love of money.
It was already covered by poker giants like Doug Polk.
Wtf 😂,the hole online Poker Sites are a scam . This is a diversionary maneuver from the Poker sites
I was playing on poker bros and theres been many times that i flopped the nuts in position and my opponent folds to no bet is there any way they can see your cards
888 is a scam no wonder most sites have banned chat. I miss the old full tilt poker
Stone cold facts,I was on 888 ,lost far to many 7% for it to be anything other than ,a rigged game
@aaronjohnstone5838 They must have robbed me out of hundreds of thousands in potential winnings when my hands are clearly dominating and ahead only to lose devastatingly time and time again. It's sad, instead of being up I'm losing.
holy sht. that's what they're doing to me on pkrstars in cash games.
now you explained how they work together to beat their target i've realised thats whats been happening all this time.
i had two Canadians on my right in tourney yesterday that seemed to be doing it to me too often on my bb, i called them out as cheaters and they seemed to back off.
couldn't understand why i was losing so badly online but makes perfect sense if I'm playing a group of colluders instead of individuals.
further realising that the Brazilians in the k.o tourneys that go mental with stuff like 6-10 off or Q7 suited against 4 or 5 opponents aren't just mad and going for the bounties but are in cahoots with the other players in the hand and on the table. such rats man.
Either that...or you're not very good...most likely a combo of both
Lol you don't just get to blame all ur losses on colluders
@@DarrellHoner i wish i could blame it all on myself, and there are of course hands that i probably just got unlucky on for sure, i accept this....but im also 100% sure i have witnessed and had people doing it against me. its too obvious, i just didnt know or expect they'd be working together like that but now it all makes sense and why i just kept getting reraised out of or into pots by very very strange plays/hands that just didn't make alot of sense to me until now.
i think a strategy they have is to just get as many of their team members to go into an all in pot with their targets, knowing its very unlikely the mark is going to win the hand against 3 or more opponents....im not trying to say im the best, im just a competent player, decent enough I'm usually hitting FTs and do frequently cash out a profit but i cant beat cheaters who work together as a unit, no one really could. you might get lucky on a few hands but they'd completely dominate working together like that.
@@DarrellHonerWhats your poker name ill sharkscope you?
Just admit that you’re bad at poker lmao
Thanks for this video Charlie. Sad news but needed to be highlighted. I do agree the poker world has to react and create some securities like webcam live during sessions, common cheaters list for poker sites etc.
I agree with webcam just to know my money are safe
I think the best way is to apply the real world rules. You cannot play on more than 1 table/tournament at the time. This will reduce the scalability for cheaters. The RTA cheaters make money on the law of large numbers so they need volume to make money. For the other types of the cheaters, the colluding ones, these were always a problem hard to solve online. However, good security tools could identify the patterns. Even these ones needs volume to be profitable so first solution may help with these ones too. However, this will be much more detrimental for the poker sites and they won’t ever implemented as far as the rake comes in and the degenerates lose their money.
Online poker is done. AI/Bots are just going to be running out infinite hand regressions against one another now.
Online is rigged and has been for around 7 years..... Party Poker stopped sending Hand Histories for Christ sake! 🤣The whole thing stinks
Yep,
I suspect some palyers being house players aswell. Like Lena900 who cant play live poker for shit and is a staright up fish.
@@nsbdbsbsbdbzbz8555 Absolutely! Some players are so terrible yet are rarely seen having a losing day...
What? You can get hand histories from party.
this is incorrect you can still get HH
clearly you have alot of work to do.
i think its an easy get out for people that struggle with online to say its rigged. when you hear news like this. but this is the problem with online and live you gotta be careful who you are playing against. game selection is important but anytime you play multiway poker theres always potential to be cheated online or live
@@_MMWWMM_ it's a 40 day period now isn't it? What about all the hand Histories prior!?!?! Can't get access to them.
Start your own site Charlie! Webcam required. Would be fun! I’ve heard many players endorse such an idea over the years.
Ya id love that idea, n we can all talk over our mic too, heck even throw in a real dealer with real cards obviously n that would be AWESOME
I would be down... ffs I would be down to be recorded with my nutsack out if that's what it takes... tbf I also sport a fat pair so where's the loss goddamit!
@@ThunderDomeBoxingTalk webcam games have failed many times in the past. No-one wants to be on camera while in their home. Site would fail immediately
Living in maine, there is absolutely no trustworthy place to play poker. Clubs are shady, ACR is shady. Global Poker is weird and has shit for games and structure. Good vid Charlie, I will subscribe now.
we for sure get screwed trying to play in Maine. I mainly play on Global Poker for the most part and feel like I'm playing fucking Zynga!
thank you for people with courage like you are
we may not always be on pin point but its always strenght to speak up.
When playing small stakes poker, you can notice which are the bots. There are many.
Cómo los notas?
Alot of them have numbers on their names. Who creates a poker name totti20202030. I play everyday for six months I keep notes and color tags..I went off about their rng all of sudden I have random names with numbers all around me..you couldn't make it up..also they have your details and make hilarious trolling and needling names..it sounds crazy but I promise you. Data is a real thing.
The squeeze collusion play is definitely very common online but sometimes one of the colluders hits it. You see very suspicious play online too often. As far as Daniel goes, he deleted some comments about the latest GG hack on his latest video about his 2023 results.
Nice exit line Charlie and huge thanks for bringing this to our attention 🙏
Even talking about the Jabs... bro you have all my respect (not that you need it, but that is a fact).
Thanks for speaking up as allways! you have enought times showed your real character. In this era of so many fake faces and so many lonnelines lives, we all need to still see that people in "privileged" positions are willing to still show themself as they are.
This
They need to analyse players action. Humans make mistakes and blunders. Humans go on tilt at times no matter how levelheaded they usually are. Surely there will be a signature from bot play and if humans can't work out how to identify them, use AI to monitor plays and give players a risk score. If the risk score remains high beyond a length of time then investigate and take action where necessary..
That app is where im playing at, there are 3 people colluding. All tables in all stakes are infested with that bots.
Online poker is good for practice but there are too many good players to make huge profits as was the case years ago. If you want to make money playing poker, play live. That’s where most of the fish swim !!
I'd love it if a non scumbag company made a poker site where you can actually play and know you aren't getting stiffed. It's pretty nuts to me that people still think online poker is fair.
I want to see clips of Lex Veldhuis telling people how stupid they are for thinking online poker is rigged, along with his Pokerstars Ambassador video mixed in. It always seemed a bit dodgy that someone would always promote the idea that scammers couldn't exist online when there are so many variables to cover....
Well its sure not rigged in his favour, he is a fish
@@bludmop7281 Yeah but so is Gus Hansen as far as playing styles.....And I don't think Lex is a fish with his choices....I think Lex is a confidence man trying to convince live players that online 'bad beats' are all about the vast number of hands that format allows.....even when thoses beats ALWAYS come with the most random calls and insane run outs...A multi billion dollar industry easy to rig from the inside and a population of aspartame swigging, fluoridated and bisphennol-a gendered zombies will believe anything...Just look at the two presidential candidates!
Lost $ 400 basically on badbeats got 7/58 in a turny. I know I’m not a bad player it defo rigged on the river
Man there is no chance ACR is trying to claim that there arent bots. In February of 2023 I was playing cash games and there was a few open 1/2 tables and a few full tables. I played at one that was full for a while then stopped. 5 min later I wanted to hop back on and I joined an empty table. As soon as I sat down each seat filled immediately.. and we started playing with a full table. Not sure any other explanation than bots. Their stance is laughable..
Edit: when I say the seats filled immediately I mean within one second every seat was full
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Glad i gave up playing online. I was a guy who came from online. Live was relatively alien. But live is way better. More fun.
The thing with these things coming out is that bad players who don't know they are bad will start blaming all their bad plays over the years on ALLEGEDLY cheats
I sat down in a few live cash games over the Christmas break, felt like a completely different game.
Over the years I’ve been in some really weird spots online and just put it down to facing brick opponents. Now all these allegations of bots and collusion have surfaced, suddenly a lot of things have made sense.
I’ll definitely be playing a lot more live poker going forward. Just need to find a few good games near me.
Got to love Charlie. The man says what he thinks and isn't afraid of consequences. Brilliant stuff. Dont ever change Charlie. You will go further in life than being a paid corporate man
outside of poker, charlie carrel is a moron.
I love playing poker and i think im pretty good at it, but feels like there is something fishy going on in my tournaments. Either the site or the players. I think i havent had a winning month in six or seven months no matter how good or bad i play. Sometimes when i drop out couple of tournaments I might tilt and play like a maniac and somehow my K5o-type of hands are starting to chip me up. Also just wanna point out feels like in pokerstars you can call out turn and river after the flop, always so monotonic, especially on preflop allins example: AKo vs 78s, 8-5-6-J-6 like aghh. Would love to play more poker at live but there aint much going on in my country
Yk what i found about callision and love about it?
That their not actually reacting to u but their hopeing that u fall in their strategy.
So what i started doing is, i call for thin value, because they shove all in more with air hands or Mid pairs to TP weak kickers. So just get a good feel about their Frequences and when you see when their hands are at their weakest then just call down for thin value. Bc their not thinking in ranges their thinking in Hand versus hand.
Also i mix in some bluffs when the board gets connected or A scared card comes up, i bluff about 1/3 of time.
But if u been folding alot you can get away with bluffing 2/5 of the time!
Again cause they dont base any equity or ranges in their colusion
Im thinking yeah, this is another turning point. I suppose given enough time it would eventually see online poker cancel 😢
You mean to tell me these overly raked underground online games are rife with cheating?!?!?
a lot of the bot stuff could be solved by having a captcha requirement before you collect winnings per hand... and it you don't pass it, your balance reverts back to what you entered the hand with... sure it would get annoying after a while but if you want security sometimes you gotta deal with a little pain
The speed at which technology moves today it is absolutely impossible to be guaranteed a fair game when it comes to online poker.
I'm really NOT surprised to see this happening.
I have actually faced in live poker way more cheaters and crazy scams
That HH is more damning than the GG call down with J2o
Anytime there's money to be made, people will find a way. I stopped playing online for substantial money because of these shenanigans. Play micros only now to stay sharp for live games. The games are ruined, are filled with bots, nits and software, and simply can't be trusted. Sucks.
thanks for talking about such stuff charlie
So what exactly are we supposed to be looking at in this bot farm? What are they doing? Are the people there just monitoring the bots to make sure theyre all up and running? Inputting some human element periodically like chatting, mouse movements, etc? Passing captcha's when needed?
This is crazy stuff can be scammed everywhere. Blockchain poker is a future
Wonder if this is being done with high stakes or low stakes poker
Could a simple fix be to have facial recognition software that ensures a real, recognisable face is present in front of the computer that an account is playing from? With random checks that ask the player to respond using a certain gesture or similar. Everyone has a webcam right? Wouldn’t that immediately stop these bot farms?
I don't know about that sort of stuff but I'd imagine they will find a way around it
@CharlieCarrel - So basically, as a Poker online player- Having a top pair with a good blocker (street or flush blocker) should be always using (call off button) pretty much all the time vs suspicious players and should print money nowadays?
Gus Hansen learned too late about the cheating on line, they squanderd his whole bank roll🤦 if u gamble poker on line, u will be another casualty💯
He wasn't the only one either. Ilsidur1, Mike Matusow, Prahlad Friedman, more pros than that got scammed for big money online back in online poker's golden age
Thanks Charlie for the heads up top G
the solution to this is to integrate automated analysis of every hand played on the site by a strong solver and rate every player desicions based on some metric, in the hands you show, for example that "bananas metric" would go to the roof so you would automatically ban those players, a similar logic is applied on chess sites. I don't think that is too complicated to implement, poker sites just need to invest the right amount.
They should just build solvers into the apps. So everybody knows what the optimal play is. And then u can exploit how u want.
It would make online poker a different kind of game, and make people better at live poker. The only people who wouldn’t like that are the human bots and people cheating.
I really think this is how it’ll
Be played eventually.
that makes no sense... why would you ever deviate? And if you did you'd basically either be always losing vs people who dont, or playing a rock paper scissors vs people who would. Guaranteed -EV, and that's without rake.
That already exists, its called video poker. You can play that if you want to play vs computer.
Why you in a mouldy room?
His Chinese overlords from GG Poker Scam had the impression that it’s fitting for someone looking like he does
He's doing one of those clinical trials, £10 per hour. This one for asthmatics.
How can the sites with technology let these cheaters in
Online poker RIP
Thanks so much for the info
I see that this happens alot in cash games....what about online tournament poker
Poker sites need to really need to start using the eye in the sky. Aka webcam to record and monitor games integrity.
Not the first day people playing collusion or bot(usually stupid bot)in app game, it’s 100% not safe playing in app. Those host or admin allow some of their reg do this but not go so much because they want to keep their club/ table running. But about the scandal of ACR and GG, I feel very very disappointed 😢
No need for bots to cheat. Sit with several players from the comfort of their own homes, sharing cards through some chat app, cleaning up the tables, sharing profits.
Literally bout to quit ignition and BOVADA any recommendations on better places available in the southeast us don’t think there is but open to suggestions
So good u dont keep silence about it dude!
Lets try do smth to let ppl know how big this problem is!
Charlie you should look up the world of Warcraft bot farm with 400+ bots running in a Chinese warehouse. They PRINT money. This shit is highly probable and shouldn’t be a surprise
Which app is that at the beginning?
Shout out to the AT guy. What a Gigachad!
Hoping that some of my casinos in my state bring back blackjack as a result of this and the future to come!!!
I was skeptical of cheaters having that big of an advantage until i had pocket aces and got snap called with 5-2 offsuit and the guy immediately flops 2 pair and then turns a full house. I dont get visibly angry when im alone playing but i was so confused and outraged i knew instantly it had to be a cheater of some kind
...or variance. You WILL lose 20% of the time. Enjoy
@@innihbassey6369 yeah but him snap calling with such cards is kind of blatant cheating only time I’ve ever been really mad
well they seem to be Ban Nuts Now! had an account a decade ago that I never deposited or won anything on decided to get back into poker last month, made a deposit on a new account lost 90% of it, and got banned for having an old account! don't expect to keep players to make that check off of when they ban all your fish instead of the bots
AI security.
Right now there is no way to have enough security looking into the millions of hands being played every day, but maybe with AI having access to hands it will see the patterns.
Just like the solver programs say this hand vs this range should do this action, the AI should be able to see hands being consistently played incorrectly but winning way above ev and be able to flag these for human review.
It wouldn't need to review every players hands. Just having it on there reviewing the higher stakes and larger buy in wins for all stakes to start.
Using the hands you shown Charlie the bot would flag those hands for review.
He jugado muchos años al poker online y si las páginas de poker tienen patrones en sus cartas,yo me he aprovechado de eso cuando los he notado lo malo es que tu rival también sea consciente de ello y te fastidie cuando tengas manos premium.
Cada x se vuelven a cambiar los patrones pero siempre están presentes sólo hay que analizar muy bien las cartas.
Por eso ya no juego al póker online porque aunque haya ganado dinero soy consciente de que hay muchas cosas turbias en todas las páginas y siento total desconfianza.
Maybe just play a regulated site with good security 😂
So which shot is of BetOnline, ACR
Ignition???
What website they playing on in the picture?
you got a serious mold problem there!
These plays are so outright obvious colluding, and eliminating the "fish" cheaters should be easy - these hands are not possible in a legit game. the real threat in my opinion is the smart colluders that does not aim for ridicules winrates but just maintains a high 10-15bb/100 winrate through making their decisions on every street more profitable through their increased information from their colluding partner(s).
Serial killer ,bunker look, to Charlie’s broadcast room
You would need different account, how many can you create?
Hi Charlie :) What is the name of the background song ?
but if you cheat to win the 100k do you then get band from all the online sites?
How about clicking on a CAPTCHA every so often, won't stop coalition but maybe stop bots.
The 2nd hand should have automatically triggered a ban for those 2 accounts.
Has your house been on fire? Brutal wall colouring.
Respect for bringing up the jabs
Future online poker will be only heads up-zoom :D
Appreciate your videos
the prop bet is just a bug bounty... what's the big deal
That’s so sad
Bots, Collusion, Superusers, RTA etc, all of this will happen and all of it will make the games worse and take from the winning Poker players and the aspiring Pros. But the biggest impact on winrates will be
1) If Recreationals still want to play online
2) The rake the websites take from the games.
I got to say GG Poker the rake is disgustingly bad and has driven almost every game to be based around recreationals, but they have still somehow managed to attract a massive portion of Recreationals to their website, over half a million active players on a weekend. If 1000 pros who grind the website boycott it has no impact, their Rake model is forcing the game to be unprofitable to sit on even with a Rec on the table, if they're in the wrong seat, playing NL200 is like grinding the MicroStakes with Rake but more solid Regulars with less leaks.
The Rake is what is killing the game for Pros, I'd actually welcome GG Poker to die out and somewhere with more reasonable Rake take over the market but the Pros go where the Recs go and the Recs go to GG Poker.
I always get confused when people type NL200. Does that mean it's a max buy-in for $200 or that the big blind is $200? Recs buying in for $20,000 seems absurd to me that they would gamble that high.
I got dealt a hand face down on a GG poker tournament the other night. Seen it happen to me several times now. Not sure what is going on , I have reported it and currently awaiting a response.
That’s literally one of their features lol there’s a setting that you can change so it’s dealt face up but by default it’s dealt face down and you turn them over
🤣
@@BOD-CormZ No I have that switched off. It was like I was watching a table that I wasn't playing. All the cards are face down.
Then I time out and my cards folded without me getting to see them. 🙅♂
@@BOD-CormZ The deal is always face down but your cards flip once the deal is finished. Sometimes they don't flip.
@@BOD-CormZ He clearly meant his cards wouldn flip ya dummy
As someone who lives 7 hours from the nearest place to play live poker this fucking sux
I will stop playing online poker. Gotta a hand SB vs BB. 25BB effective on a turbo. SB shoves 94off i called with QQ. The SB made triples... wtf That guy had a monster stack on a turbo playing like crazy.