Proceedings Podcast-Midway: Timeless Battle, Evolving Interpretations
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- Join us for the latest Naval History edition of the Proceedings podcast, as we commemorate the 80th anniversary of the Battle of Midway with acclaimed Midway historian Jonathan Parshall.
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Excellent and very interesting discussion. Thank you.
Outstanding presentation, I'm in the process of reading the book and you have changed my understanding of the battle. While I'm not a historian, I've been interested in WW2 since the early 60's. lastly, the Victory at sea reference makes me want to watch teh series again. Thank you.
Excellent presentation
Nice job!
Regarding Japanese scouting deficiencies, the submarine USS Drum on May 1 sank the seaplane carrier "Mizuho," denying Yamamoto of the 24 scout planes it carried. Just another what-if to consider.
This battle was one of the turning points of WW2
anytime I see Jon Parshall I stop click listen & enjoy!!!! then teach others
I watch and read every thing I can find about the Midway battle. Never do I fail to learn something I hadn’t known before. One thing I’ve never heard addressed but always wondered,
When MvClusky saw the destroyer heading back to the main group after depth charging at the Nautilus, it always says “He followed the ship and indeed, it led them to the fleet”. How do airplanes follow ships? They go much faster. It seems he would determine the direction and just fly that way, quickly leaving the ship behind. No one mentions that. Why not?
Midway was pretty much a one day affair that depended to a very great extent on quality of luck that affected each side independently. As such it was of course very important, but the real turning point was the long, drag out and far costlier fight over Guadalcanal. As for Fuchida, one should remember that he was a Japanese writing in Japan for a Japanese public and subject to the whims of his Japanese editors and publisher. As is true in American history, particularly of the Civil War era, there is a great deal of history in the official records that no publisher will allow a writer to publish even today.
Shattered sword is thee #1 book on midway
My friend, you must be joking.
1. Senshi Sosho- the author's primary source- is not the official history that they claim that it is.
2. Statements from the senior surviving officers of both Kaga and Soryu (supported by the last landing times on the carriers) knock the bottom out from under the central revelation of the book- namely, that all the Japanese attack aircraft were in the hangars of the carriers when they were attacked. Both of these men are mentioned in Shattered Sword repeatedly- but their statements on the status of the ship's aircraft when they were attacked are not.
3. The time interval between the end of the dive bomber attack and the launch of Hiryu's retaliatory strike (supported by the last landing time on that ship as well) does the same as (2) above.
4. There is no evidence at all for the claim of the authors that Yamamoto ordered Nagumo to retain half of his aircraft in reserve. The source of their claim is one Japanese officer- and he was a member of Yamamoto's staff who was likely just attempting to save the face of his former chief by casting responsibility for the disaster onto Nagumo- who was not on Yamamoto's best friends list.
You'd do well to read that book with extreme caution- but you do you.
Cheers...
My only problem with the 2019 movie was there was no mention of any of the 4 carrier’s fighter squadrons.
As a former army firefighter i feel that Taffy 3 is the greatest navel battle ever. Do you have any stories that cover tbat battle?? Which magazine can I find it in??
Taffy 3 and the battle of Leyte Gulf would make such a great movie. Too bad we have very few naval movies
First thank you for your service sir. I agree the battle of Samar aka. Taffy 3 was probably the most fascinating u.s. naval battles in our countries history. The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors by James D. Hornfischer is an outstanding book that goes into every detail and he relies on actual personal interviews of military personnel. Extremely well written book. New York times bestseller.
I ask just what specific (be specific) damage was done to Yorktown in the Coral Sea?
I disagree that the code breaking was not known about until well after the war. Within days of the battle the front page of the Chicago Tribune had a headline story that the victory was made possible by breaking the Japanese naval code.
Yes, but there is no reason to believe that the Japanese might not have thought that was just some newspaper trying to sell newspapers by peddling rumors instead of the truth. You have to check the sourcing on that to get a clue there. The major problem with intelligence is that both sides know the power of lying like a rug all of the time.
I think that Midway is one of the most important naval battles in history along with Samalis, Lepanto and Trafalgar. If any one of these battles had gone the other way our history would be completely different. So if I had a question to ask it would be what effect on America's war effort would a defeat have been. I am sure we would have kept fighting but it would have been so much harder. Would we have settled for something less than unconditional surrender?
Guadalcanal.
John goes into detail about "what if we lost Midway" in his book and other podcasts....the American war manufacturing industry was kicking into high gear at this point and there were already Serious issues with Japan's factories ability to produce planes and ships in any quantity ....as well as maintaining supply chains....( at the time of Midway battle, Japan had 1 aircraft carrier under construction, 16 months from completion. The U.S. had 4 carriers under construction and Japan had issues at the factories building dive bombers and torpedo planes)
*¿evolving interpretations? ¡hmmmmmm!* - 7:53 am Pacific Daylight Savings Time on Tuesday, 7 June 2022
I am not saying his book is wrong. How ever why do I now have to think Completely different about the battle?
The authors have thrown dirt into the faces of our aviators who risked their lives to gain that victory by claiming that they were telling "lurid tales" of attack aircraft on the flight decks of the enemy carriers. Either the U.S. Naval Institute is clueless to this, or they're perfectly fine with it. Frankly, it's reprehensible.
Did that mustache come with the black glasses and fake nose?
Dear Host, please clean your camera. Thank you.
Senshi Sosho is 'not' an official Japanese history. It was neither commissioned nor endorsed by the Japanese government. The contents of each volume are the responsibility of the authors and of the Japanese War History Office.
"evolving interpretations" aka politics shoving their nose in for one and two historians have to "discover" new thing to push books.