Nexus Masterclass Roger Scruton 'Brexit: yes or no?'
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- Roger Scruton, one of Britain’s most famous and thought-provoking philosophers, on Brexit.
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I have only recently discovered this amazing man, and I thank Douglas Murray for that. Now, after his death, I am hearing what his thoughts on various subjects are, and I love what I hearing. Oh how I wish I cam across him years earlier. Thank goodness for CZcams.
Welcome to the fold.
And some people say there are no reasoned and intelligent argument to leave. This man should be given a bigger stage.
+earthstick
I agree
Those "people" don't want to hear, its what leftists do.
I agree with every word. Thank you Roger you have my vote. We want to control our destiny in all matters. Our Ancesters paid a high price for our freedom and we will not give it up for any economic argument.
Roger Scruton speaks with innate intelligence, deep wisdom and enduring sensitivity and a smattering of his audience clap politely. Without minds like Scrutons having a platform to educate we are truly lost.
Scruton is so prescient on everything - a true, clear first-principle thinker.
May he Rest In Peace....so sad to lose this man so young. Humanity needed Sir Roger to be more widely recognised and listened to. Like many great artists and intellects he might now be appreciated more in death than in life.
Brilliant presentation from an intelligent man who cares about the history, present and future of the UK.
Probably the most articulate expression of why Brexit happened, given the year before the vote.
Repudiates totally the nonsense that only ignorant people voted to leave.
"Regulation creates as many problems as it solves." Brilliant! In fact, only those who know this can have a fighting chance of governing properly, since the art of governance lies in knowing when and what to regulate and when and what not to regulate.
Prof Scruton makes excellent points. His first point about the UK and it's sovereignty is absolutely critical in understanding citizens concern about a supranational institution.
integrity, sovereignty and freedom
This guy is a real fucking philosopher. You just need to listen.
Never have truer words been spoken.
Roger Scruton makes a solid case for Brexit with great clarity. We could have done with such precise thinking prior to the referendum. Perhaps the margin of victory would have been greater.
This was prior to the referendum.
Yes I know but I'm saying more precise tinking such as his speech here wasn't the norm. Much of the 'debate' prereferendum was frequently angry, hostile and superficial. If this speech had been on the BBC for example perhaps it would have set a tone.
I gave you a thumbs up Roger Scruton, but I had been an anti EU activist for many years, and one could argue that I had already reached my conclusions prior to watching/listening to your speech, and they would be correct. None-the-less, well said.
He is my philosopher.
👍🏻@684
Roger Scruton RIP
Spoke so eloquently on preserving & protecting ones traditions in ones homeland.........True Noble English Gentleman ..........God Speed ☘
Good luck from France, lads.
I wish you all the best and I hope we too will be given the chance to escape from EU.
I hope you are given the chance too!
that was beautiful
I am hoping (probably more strongly than I have ever hoped for any election outcome) that, in just under a month, we vote to remain in the EU. But I am glad that Roger Scruton has articulated so precisely his contrary view. Well-reasoned and honest arguments are in short supply (on both sides, to be fair, at least as far the official campaigns go). All of Scruton's points can be answered. Each of them could be turned on its head to argue in favour of remaining: Our shared European history, our legal system and freedom of movement. He is, however, bang on the money (!) in his closing remarks that this decision should not be chiefly about the economy but about the other values we hold dear.
The simplest statement of why it is impossible for the British to continue in the EU.
24/12/2020 Deal is struck. RIP Mr Scruton.
...and finally the UK will habe thrown off the shackes and extracred themselves from beneath the jackboot.........31st January 2020. Greatness shall return.
14:03 did he say angelica merkel? :)
That's a profound and interesting observation.
"There's nothing great about Britain"-Slowthai
Conservative thinking is based in belief, which explains why there are very few people you would call 'conservative intellectuals'. Hard to make a cogent argument based on belief.
It is strange how he says that Portugal and Spain "succumbed" to the Nazis for having adopted a neutral position during the war against the Nazis. that is completely wrong because we were never invaded or threatened by the Nazis. In fact, Portugal's Government at the time was even able to strengthening its economy for not taking part in the war. Also, it was interesting to verify that Britain has taken advantage of the oldest treaty in the World, between Portugal and the UK, which benefits the UK in war time. The use of the Azores Islands during the WW2, helped the British and the Americans with the naval and aerial support they needed. In fact, the Portuguese decided to make a pact of non/aggression with Spain which benefited, once more, the Allies. Were not for this pact, Spain would have entered the War as well as Portugal and the Nazis would have attacked both countries as was their plan. Portugal's neutrality has in fact helped the Allies win the war.
But on the topic I would suggest this article: www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/29/us-warns-britain-it-could-face-trade-barriers-if-it-leaves-eu
+Rui Martins
Interesting bit of history there. Perhaps Scruton was just referring to how Portugal and Spain became Fascist during that time?
guitarrahombre Definitely not the case but I will leave you there.
He did say "all other nations save Spain, Portugal and Sweden..."
+Rui Martins He excludes Spain and Portugal, you got it wrong, he actually says they were neutral.
He said, "...all other nations *save* Portugal & Spain..." meaning except in this context.
RIP What a loss.
In a lot of Roger's talks he seems to forget Ireland is in Europe... or maybe he just thinks of it as part of Britain
Are you referring to the Republic of Ireland, or Northern Ireland which is still part of the union?
I noticed that. He left out Ireland as a neutral state during WW2 as it was inconvenient to his argument. He is an ideologue and naturally filters on what doesn't fit his narrative. Unusual here as he could have included the Republic and made his argument work had he been less lazy.
@@jamescoll3855 It's a reasonable 'oversight' because Eire shares the Common Law tradition with England & Wales and Northern Ireland. Scotland has a different legal system, largely founded in Roman Dutch Law and English Common Law (yes the same Roman Dutch law extinct in the Netherlands, but alive in South Africa).
The 'economic' argument is a dismal conceit. The so called economy is really an uneconomy. As Adam Smith said: 'there is a great deal of ruin in a nation.' So the following quote, of Theodore Dalrymple, whilst speaking primarily of the Greek nation, the 'ruin' therein is only too familiar to anyone with any sense: "When the crowd tried to storm the Greek parliament, shouting, “Thieves! Thieves!,” its anger was misdirected. It was a classic case of what Freudians call projection: the attribution to others of one’s own faults. It is true that the Greek politicians are much to blame for the current situation, and no doubt many of them are thieves; but their real crime was not stealing, but offering a substantial proportion of the Greek population a standard of living that was economically unjustified, maintained for a time by borrowing, and in the long run unsustainable, in return for votes. The crime of that substantial proportion of the Greek population was to accept the bribe that the politicians offered; they were only too prepared to live well at someone else’s expense. The thieves were not principally the politicians, but the demonstrators."
'Living well' is obviously a very questionable way of putting it.
Note "economically unjustified" i.e uneconomic... unsustainable. The word economic derives from the Greek oikos (home) nomos (law) or home management (private property). And I invoke Edmund Burke's expression "dearest domestic ties", those ties, without which the moral sentiments (that Adam Smith recognised as the necessary precondition of a successful open market based society) would instead be the 'moral' resentments of oppressive patriarchal kinship. Fickle tribal allegiances which may have the appearance of domestic affections but are more readily recruited to brutal totalitarian efficiency. It is from these dearest domestic ties that the "little platoons" arise and ensure a high degree of good faith that the invisible hand might bestow its blessings.
+Kiljoy "Note "economically unjustified" i.e uneconomic... unsustainable. The
word economic derives from the Greek oikos (home) nomos (law) or home
management (private property). And I invoke Edmund Burke's expression
"dearest domestic ties", those ties, without which the moral sentiments
(that Adam Smith recognised as the necessary precondition of a
successful open market based society) would instead be the 'moral'
resentments of oppressive patriarchal kinship. Fickle tribal allegiances
which may have the appearance of domestic affections but are more
readily recruited to brutal totalitarian efficiency. It is from these
dearest domestic ties that the "little platoons" arise and ensure a high
degree of good faith that the invisible hand might bestow its
blessings." LOL Too pompous for a CZcams comment
I often come across high quality contributions on CZcams. It always cheers me up.
I’m surprised he’s allowed to speak in Europe.
There are not four nations in the UK, which is a state. England and Scotland are - constitutionally the only nations are Wales was incorporated into England in the16th century AD. These two Kingdoms ( England and Scotland ) with Wales appended to England as a Principality form Great Britain. Northern Ireland is part of the UK but not Britain. Common Law applies ostensibly in England and Wales. Scotland's Law is separate and based on Roman Law.
+David Allen To Scruton nation is not equal to constitution if I understand him correctly.
Scruton never mentions the elephant in the room; Britain's abject subservience to the USA's empire of military bases and their aggressive foreign policy. American, not French or German, troops occupy large parts of our country, which makes a mockery of our sovereignty. Our leaders are the first to cheer and eagerly participate in catastrophic attacks on the Arab world, and this is where the great waves of refugees pouring into Europe originate. This glaring omission makes his arguments blinkered and unconvincing.
Mike Hawthorne 8
Why said Scruton that Portugal suffered a defeat and was occupied?
+PauloG He didn't.
Napoleon mate, and you're welcome
Thank You! C Bradley
+Eistein Fosli I am sorry to say but he does indeed. He even goes as far as suggest that Portugal and Spain cannot even be considered Europeans to the level the British are for having "defended"Europe against the Nazis. And even suggested a different National " Psyche " between the UK and the neutral countries as an explanation for that.
+Rui Martins You should learn English because you do not understand what he actually says.
Interesting comments in defence of nationalism by Scruton - on the basis that a people have a right to maintain their system of governance, their way of life, and their particular, curious, parochial though it may be, political settlement which has existed for around 1,000 years. This is an entirely fair comment. You may not agree with it - you may think wanting what is in your own national interest to be protected to be petty, small, something which the rest of the world has grown out of, but why should it be wrong for a people with a great spirit of togetherness, who share an identity as to their collective past, to want to preserve that? I see nothing wrong with it.
I loved his historic scope on British EU-scepticism, but he lost me when saying "economists are self-appointed authorities that are always wrong"
They are always wrong because the principles they apply as economists are the wrong principles to apply in achieving proper government.
Now imagine you're Irish... and replace every time he says the word England with Ireland. Then you will realise the meaning of the words occupation, imposition and justice..... Perfidious Albion....
imigrants in UK - and you finally understand what you have done to others... but much more civilized manners
As a remainer I have yearned for an articulate argument as to why leave is wise and this presents the argument On sovereignty) as well as I have ever heard it. The other enthusiastic leavers who have given this a stamp of approval must by implication rate its worth. On reflection however whilst I agree with swathes of what Mr Scruton says on history, it is still nonetheless nostalgic romanticism from a long and distant past. On immigration he is totally wrong. Scotland's wish for independence and continued alignment with the EU is because of free movement. Whilst London and the South East are indeed more densely populated than Holland (11 million in London-Tokyo has over three times that but in a city that has been planned for it) Scotland is one of the least densely populated countries in Europe and needs people to survive that has a different set of problems. Mr Scruton's view on immigration is simplistic in the extreme and intelligently panders to fears in a rather dishonest way. He rubbishes experts unnecessarily and underestimates the worth of economics. I came at this with an open mind and whjilst I would have loved to be convinced-I'll have to stay with what I think is true.
Well, what he's saying, especially underlining it at the end, is that the britains are not ready to be part of a greater world/ a greater europe. They would prefer to live in a bubble for a few decades to grow up. Sure, maybe GB does some things in a better way, but if that's the case, then they should've fought for those things in the european parliament and promoted them, not retreat in their little balloon.
"the brit(o)ns are not ready to be part of a greater world..."
That is the WHOLE point, Silly !!!
We do not want to be part of the increasingly irrelevant economic and political backwater known as the 'European Union' - or the ghastly authoritarian, socialist superstate its leaders wish to turn it into.
Belonging to a NEW Soviet Union is not OUR way. Of course, if YOU come from Romania, or Estonia, or Hungary, or Bulgaria - or some other country that most Americans have never even heard of, YOU may take a different view of the EU........and STILL think it A Good Idea..
Just as the Greeks and the Irish and the Portuguese once did. Much to their increasing sense of regret.........................
If the LITTLE countries wish to stay in - in order to screw (in their dreams) as much money from the richer nations as they can, then that's THEIR business.
WE are not going to be 'Europe's' begging bowl any longer.
WE would rather deal with the WHOLE world in OUR own way (which the EU has PREVENTED us from doing since 1973) - and not just a small part of it.
After all, we created the GREATEST empire in the history of the world - and you don't do THAT by being INWARD-LOOKING.
Or by being STUPID !
Vaya con Dios !
You obviously didn't understand a word he said.