When the United States invaded England, The Whitehaven Raid

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  • @johannesschroter8984
    @johannesschroter8984 Před 5 lety +1092

    So, you‘re saying that the first thing Americans conquered outside the USA was a pub in England? 😂

    • @pab4435
      @pab4435 Před 5 lety +65

      Johannes Schröter I’ll drink to that💯🙌

    • @lennydale92
      @lennydale92 Před 5 lety +78

      Well they were the sons of Englishmen so they probably couldn't resist some good Ale lol

    • @lawnmowermanTX
      @lawnmowermanTX Před 5 lety +15

      Sailors get smashed and tanked!

    • @koopspook
      @koopspook Před 5 lety +61

      ANGELCYNN MODIGNES take care of your jihadi migrants first then come talk

    • @mabatommy
      @mabatommy Před 5 lety +8

      Drinks are on the house

  • @joshgeiger9090
    @joshgeiger9090 Před 7 lety +1905

    Honestly the idea that sailors could have gone to shore without getting drunk is probably too optimistic.

    • @morskojvolk
      @morskojvolk Před 6 lety +86

      Too true...as a retired Sailor, I should take umbrage with your comment, but, well...

    • @stephenbritton9297
      @stephenbritton9297 Před 6 lety +39

      Hey! I think I resemble these remarks!!!

    • @stevenpilling5318
      @stevenpilling5318 Před 6 lety +57

      Remember- their officer was a Marine!

    • @markhughes7927
      @markhughes7927 Před 6 lety +36

      Great they got their priorities straight and must have enjoyed the welcoming company of the locals.

    • @markhughes7927
      @markhughes7927 Před 6 lety +25

      Very true - It’s a long way to go for a pint but Theakston’s ‘Old Peculiar’ makes you put in the extra effort - i hope they made ‘Happy Hour’.

  • @riverrebel1
    @riverrebel1 Před 5 lety +842

    A history channel that doesn't talk about ancient aliens. I'm in

    • @parkerw.2155
      @parkerw.2155 Před 5 lety +19

      It's sad that Aliens are what get channels viewership. Why do so many of us believe in the aliens that probe us on dusty roads? Life exists out there it's TRUE, but not the ones interested in our anal cavities.

    • @matthewtedeschi5646
      @matthewtedeschi5646 Před 5 lety +24

      I agree but the universe is far to big for us to be the only "intelligent " life

    • @riverrebel1
      @riverrebel1 Před 5 lety +16

      @KHALIIL01 Exactly, the universe is way too big. Assuming we're alone is just as silly as assuming aliens would come here just to build temples and pyramids

    • @koolmckool7039
      @koolmckool7039 Před 5 lety +3

      @@riverrebel1 But we must not make sure our hopes are too high for their own good. There may be aliens, there might not be.

    • @johnnymcblaze
      @johnnymcblaze Před 5 lety +2

      @@riverrebel1 😂If you only knew

  • @MickAngelhere
    @MickAngelhere Před 5 lety +69

    The pub was the most vital and strategic part of the town to capture 😂😂😂

    • @nickolost408
      @nickolost408 Před 3 lety +1

      Actually, It can be. Morale is a vital thing for any fighting force and pubs, taverns, ect. Provide that at little or no cost (at least if you aren't busy fighting)

    • @davidhouston4810
      @davidhouston4810 Před 3 lety +4

      Absolutely, no English man could be indifferent to the occupation of a PUB' Ha ha ha (I feel like a pint)

    • @MickAngelhere
      @MickAngelhere Před 3 lety

      @@nickolost408 very true

    • @MickAngelhere
      @MickAngelhere Před 3 lety

      @@davidhouston4810 true

  • @grahamepinches5691
    @grahamepinches5691 Před 5 lety +1044

    I.live in Whitehaven. Far from keeping this quiet, the town revels in the fact that an errant son invaded. We have bronze sculptures of the scene around the harbour ( still as in the time he invaded). The American Navy has freedom of the town, and there are several books written locally about him. Thank you for the explanation of his raid.

    • @ParkerUAS
      @ParkerUAS Před 5 lety +47

      That is awesome.

    • @jamesjennings1417
      @jamesjennings1417 Před 5 lety +80

      What are the chances, so do I, there is even a pub named after him. We actually kind of take pride in the fact.

    • @kentonclarkson1449
      @kentonclarkson1449 Před 5 lety +14

      TY my limey friend! Tonight I shall eat some pickled eels in your honoUr!

    • @winddmmy
      @winddmmy Před 5 lety +80

      yes we invaded england and captured a pub that is now our property! so i want free drink when i go there!

    • @kentonclarkson1449
      @kentonclarkson1449 Před 5 lety +30

      @@winddmmy Just ONE??? lol

  • @ComradePhoenix
    @ComradePhoenix Před 5 lety +67

    John Paul Jones was a fightin' man
    A fightin' man was he!
    He sailed to the east and he sailed to the west
    And he helped set America free!

  • @riggs20
    @riggs20 Před 5 lety +173

    First rule of kidnapping an earl: Make sure said earl is home.

    • @orionsghost9511
      @orionsghost9511 Před 5 lety +7

      He didn't have his smart phone charged, so they couldn't track his gps.

    • @block9390
      @block9390 Před 5 lety +5

      Yes, he should have placed a phone call first

    • @riggs20
      @riggs20 Před 5 lety +3

      @@block9390 Exactly! 🤣

    • @jeromedragon5287
      @jeromedragon5287 Před 5 lety +4

      the continental air forces surveillance wasn't as advanced as it is today.

    • @riggs20
      @riggs20 Před 5 lety +2

      @@jeromedragon5287 LOL! You're right. Although I believe back then they just used a scout. As in, "Jerome, be our scout, go see if the earl is home and then we'll kidnap him!" But the continental air forces surveillance, which I've never heard of but sounds pretty impressive, would have been handy!

  • @jimhoofgaard8271
    @jimhoofgaard8271 Před 5 lety +84

    Especially since he was given no specific mission, Jonesy did a good job of communicating threat to the political leaders and populace while limiting excessive damage or arousing passion for retribution of over-stepped aggression.

    • @hagamapama
      @hagamapama Před 5 lety +11

      Yep. He completed his mission with excellence. One of the finest examples of asymmetric warfare

    • @TowGunner
      @TowGunner Před 4 lety +9

      Reminds me of B25s bombing Tokyo in 1942. Not much damage but showed Tojo how vulnerable the home islands were to bombing.

    • @robertortiz-wilson1588
      @robertortiz-wilson1588 Před 2 lety

      @@TowGunner 👍

    • @MichaelMattison
      @MichaelMattison Před 6 měsíci

      Giving him a smaller vessel made him quicker and more maneuverable. So what was a slight by the American navy was probably an advantage

  • @AMD7027
    @AMD7027 Před 5 lety +469

    Great story, I have another one about John Paul Jones. While he died childless (unless there are a few we do not know about), he had two sisters. One of his sisters came to America and married and moved west to what is now Kentucky. She is my great, great, (I do not know how many) Aunt. We have the shawl she wore at her wedding and the family bible that was used.

  • @rrdgz5355
    @rrdgz5355 Před 5 lety +474

    A Marine has only two jobs, get drunk and fight. Obviously at this time they were still figuring things out.

    • @Sneemaster
      @Sneemaster Před 5 lety +23

      One out of two ain't bad

    • @ericwilliams2317
      @ericwilliams2317 Před 5 lety +9

      I know an ex - marine.....Can't drink to save his life!

    • @rrb396
      @rrb396 Před 5 lety +13

      @@ericwilliams2317 Because we pretty much stop when we get out lol. Can't get violently drunk, then roll out of bed and run 9 miles anymore.

    • @Zachomara
      @Zachomara Před 5 lety +9

      @@rrb396You can, you just get in trouble for it.

    • @devioustea
      @devioustea Před 5 lety +1

      Sailor*

  • @davidhouston4810
    @davidhouston4810 Před 3 lety +15

    I was born in Liverpool UK, and I have been to Whitehaven, The raid is a fascinating tale from History, I hope more Americans will watch your video, It is commemorated in Whitehaven with no ill feeling, Thank you for remembering the Raid.

  • @josephrogers1282
    @josephrogers1282 Před 2 lety +6

    As a Brit I'm probably supposed to take our side, but you've got to respect the balls of a man who would attack the then greatest naval power the world had ever seen with a single 18-gun sloop, and the skill of a man who would do so and get away with it.

  • @JohnDayDude
    @JohnDayDude Před 5 lety +161

    I am an American who lived in Whitehaven for nearly a year. The community has another unique connection to America. Mildred Warner was born in Virginia and later married Lawrence Washington. (Their grandson was George Washington.) After Lawrence died Mildred married George Gale of Whitehaven. The couple moved to Whitehaven with her children, which included Augustine Washington, who would later become George Washington’s father. Mildred unfortunately died in Whitehaven after giving birth and is buried, along with one of her slaves, in the courtyard of the local church. And for reasons I’ve yet to discover, George Washington used paving stones from Whitehaven for the piazza at his Mt. Vernon home in Virginia.

  • @american_warrior724
    @american_warrior724 Před 5 lety +120

    John Paul Jones began his 2nd career in England in ad1967 as bass player for renown rock n roll band, Led Zeppelin

  • @sdeb132debruler6
    @sdeb132debruler6 Před 5 lety +161

    That's a story they never taught us in school.

    • @mastershadowreaper
      @mastershadowreaper Před 5 lety +18

      There's a lot they don't teach us in school sadly. Not saying I'm against school, but they really don't teach us a ton

    • @bookeblade
      @bookeblade Před 5 lety +1

      Me they thought me in school.

    • @joemartin1253
      @joemartin1253 Před 5 lety +2

      Sdeb132 Debruler That's cause the things taught in American schools are only half truths!

    • @senortrafficcone8232
      @senortrafficcone8232 Před 5 lety

      We were taught about jpj in American History, tbh the idea of him sneaking behind the British’s backs has always stuck with me and one of my favorite things I’ve learned

    • @lilstomachache4220
      @lilstomachache4220 Před 5 lety

      @Dave Klonpenberg i can see that. You don't have to watch television to be entertained by an unknown actor.

  • @noelmajers6369
    @noelmajers6369 Před 5 lety +57

    "They went to a local tavern to get a light but ended up getting drunk." Sailors, eh ? 🤣

  • @garymcaleer6112
    @garymcaleer6112 Před 5 lety +270

    Great history. They got drunk! He stole the silverware! Masterpiece!

    • @olivercuenca4109
      @olivercuenca4109 Před 5 lety +8

      Gary McAleer Not the first time someone’s indulged in a bit of petty theft after some heavy drinking I imagine, but they don’t often sail away in a boat afterwards!

    • @Mystickrage
      @Mystickrage Před 5 lety +1

      @@olivercuenca4109 lol

    • @matthewbittenbender9191
      @matthewbittenbender9191 Před 5 lety +4

      Gary McAleer when you put I like that it sounds like an episode of Trailer Park Boys.

    • @NobleS1236
      @NobleS1236 Před 5 lety +1

      He also stole an entire ship.

    • @kari7403
      @kari7403 Před 5 lety +1

      You can't make this kinda stuff up. X-D
      Too awesome. All of it.

  • @dungbeetle7542
    @dungbeetle7542 Před 7 lety +73

    This is why I love history. My dad served aboard the USS Ranger CV-61 when she was an aircraft carrier.

    • @TheHistoryGuyChannel
      @TheHistoryGuyChannel  Před 7 lety +32

      Hi Sean! Yes, there have been seven USS Rangers, with the sloop captained by John Paul Jones being the first and the most recent the CV-61 Forrestal-class carrier that, among its accolades, starred in the movie Top Gun. CV-61 earned 13 battle stars in her 36 years of service. It is tragic that the efforts to preserve her as a museum ship were unsuccessful.
      Her predecessor, USS Ranger (CV-4), was the first ship of the United States Navy to be designed from the keel up as an aircraft carrier.
      I am glad that this edition touched you. All history is our history. Your father's service is greatly appreciated. I am sure that John Paul Jones would be honored by the service of those who kept up the distinguished record of the name USS Ranger.

  • @richardkemp4144
    @richardkemp4144 Před 5 lety +259

    The Ameican War of Independence was basically the British beating themselves up.

    • @CreidDesmodus
      @CreidDesmodus Před 5 lety +34

      the British did refer the american soldiers as rebels and traitors... almost a civil war i would think

    • @dexgen4809
      @dexgen4809 Před 5 lety +14

      American Civil War Part 1

    • @antonjackson71
      @antonjackson71 Před 5 lety +3

      That's why the British Accreditation Regency controls American court system

    • @willbrown3694
      @willbrown3694 Před 5 lety +21

      @Иван Кузнецов your nation has a shit ton of outdated military equipment and calls themselves a world power. I have respect for Russia but not for you

    • @richardkemp4144
      @richardkemp4144 Před 5 lety +6

      @Иван Кузнецов What's that got to do with anything?

  • @BattlestarDamocles
    @BattlestarDamocles Před 5 lety +220

    They didn't invade, they went home for a visit.

    • @legionsofdoom4706
      @legionsofdoom4706 Před 5 lety +9

      Sad but true.

    • @nedsdark8044
      @nedsdark8044 Před 5 lety +10

      Just nipped back to see mum & dad

    • @lilstomachache4220
      @lilstomachache4220 Před 5 lety +1

      Exactly

    • @daybreak1239
      @daybreak1239 Před 5 lety +4

      Nope,they unsuccessfully invaded.Americans were never british.

    • @nedsdark8044
      @nedsdark8044 Před 5 lety +4

      Strictly speaking the native Americans weren't British they came over from Siberia they know this from a 13 thousand year old excrement deposit aka a turd found in a cave in Canada look it up it's some heavy.... shit

  • @icebob8555
    @icebob8555 Před 6 lety +497

    Then he played bass for lead zeppelin

  • @Bill_of_Rights
    @Bill_of_Rights Před 5 lety +160

    This moment in history would make a great movie.

    • @STho205
      @STho205 Před 5 lety +4

      Tom. It was portrayed, along with the other tales, in the biography movie of Jones back in the 1950s. I think 50s?
      The Opposition Party Press in England tortured the Tory Party over these small raids. This hurt the mercantile British Empire. The war started costing British trade companies and subjects what they truly held dear, money.

    • @charleslatora5750
      @charleslatora5750 Před 5 lety +4

      1959
      John Paul Jones
      Played by Robert Stack.
      Very good movie.

    • @BadWebDiver
      @BadWebDiver Před 5 lety +2

      Didn't Gregory Peck star in a movie about John Paul Jones, way back?

    • @laikapupkino1767
      @laikapupkino1767 Před 5 lety

      Terry Gilliam might be able to handle the mix of comedy and action this film would need.

    • @lateesha8174
      @lateesha8174 Před 5 lety

      @@oliverdixon1373 back then the American Accent may have been a thing.

  • @TowGunner
    @TowGunner Před 4 lety +13

    Reminds me of Doolittle’s raid on Tokyo. While it did little damage, it show how vulnerable Japan was to a bombing attack.

  • @raydunakin
    @raydunakin Před 4 lety +25

    Great story! Though it sounds to me like the guys in the second boat really didn't have their hearts in it the JPJ did.

  • @cameltanker1286
    @cameltanker1286 Před 6 lety +205

    A fine example of asymmetric and psychological warfare.

    • @burtvhulberthyhbn7583
      @burtvhulberthyhbn7583 Před 5 lety +4

      Precisely.

    • @PhoenixFires
      @PhoenixFires Před 5 lety +3

      @Razor Ramone You're a Goddamned genius, Gump.

    • @achillebelanger989
      @achillebelanger989 Před 5 lety

      Camel Tanker Beach Jumpers!

    • @rm9308
      @rm9308 Před 5 lety +11

      "Boys, we're gonna drink all their whisky and steal their silverware. They'll surrender by morning!"

  • @DanGoodShotHD
    @DanGoodShotHD Před 5 lety +19

    As a veteran of the United States Navy, Patriot and history buff that story, was/is by far, my favorite thus far. I just discovered you a couple weeks ago and I have been going through all of your past videos intently. They are fantastic. I love listening to you. Keep up the great work!

  • @cactusman7345
    @cactusman7345 Před 5 lety +142

    Born in scotland, had an abrasive nature! Sorry i can't buy that.

    • @ThomasTrue
      @ThomasTrue Před 5 lety +24

      Whit urr ye trying tae say, like?
      Urr ye looking at me, pal?

    • @bluewater454
      @bluewater454 Před 5 lety +9

      Yes, the Scotts are such a bland people. Who would believe it.

    • @ClassicalLiberalWarrior
      @ClassicalLiberalWarrior Před 5 lety +7

      Aye canna buy 't neither!

    • @GaryS-lp4oz
      @GaryS-lp4oz Před 5 lety +1

      Classical Liberal Warrior Why do you type like that?

    • @ahlanderson8151
      @ahlanderson8151 Před 5 lety +4

      It’s not difficult to tell the difference between a Scotsman and a beam of sunshine

  • @camreese
    @camreese Před 5 lety +9

    Hey, Hollywood! Enough superheroes make a movie about this guy, a real hero!

  • @callumwilson7386
    @callumwilson7386 Před 6 lety +195

    Whitehavens on the north west of England its a fishing town i live here amd there is actully a pub called the john paul jones here hah

    • @rjohnson2916
      @rjohnson2916 Před 5 lety +20

      Callum Wilson: Sir, thank you for posting, it adds to the story. I wish you and yours well...

    • @BADALICE
      @BADALICE Před 5 lety +4

      That's a fine looking port.

    • @slotselectagamblingchannel7452
      @slotselectagamblingchannel7452 Před 3 lety

      True. I used to drink in there every week end. Great pub. Whitehaven is a lovely historical town that's getting run down by the so called councils. Our light house for example is in a desperate condition. Coronation street done some filming there were pat falls off the edge. Coronation street its gave the town some money to support the lighthouse referbs and it never got done. Wonder were that money went

  • @iam501dsr
    @iam501dsr Před 7 lety +83

    In Navy boot camp, they only told us about the apocryphal, "I have not yet begun to fight!" They curiously left out some of the more interesting history of John Paul Jones that you present here. I think your piece goes a bit further in explaining the US Navy's cultural foundations!

    • @TheHistoryGuyChannel
      @TheHistoryGuyChannel  Před 7 lety +17

      iam501dsr The story does say a lot about the origins of the navy. Jones' crew had no specific training, and were largely merchant sailors who had been promised the possibility of prize money. As such, Jones acted more like privateer than a naval vessel. Certainly had he a more disciplined crew the Whitehaven raid could have been far more effective. And the Continental Navy was stunningly political, which was a great disadvantage for Jones, who, while clearly gifted at naval strategy, was notoriously impolitic. And yet Jones was able to shine via individual initiative and vision because he was given a degree of flexibility that would be unthinkable in a modern military. But the reason that he is venerated today as the father of the US Navy (along with John Barry) is because he demonstrated that the American Navy could, via careful strategy and good seamanship, score victories even against the vaunted Royal Navy. Jones was also an advocate of naval reforms from promotion due to skill rather than patronage to better maintaining ships. Along with John Barry, Jones set the standard for a modern and professional navy.

    • @ronalddavis
      @ronalddavis Před 5 lety

      you got to read Samuel morrisons biography of john paul jones. jones was first officer on a slave ship at one time.

    • @krisboucher4060
      @krisboucher4060 Před 5 lety +2

      As Jones had input on design of his first command, he said (to the effect of), “I want no part of a ship that does not sail fast, for I intend to go in harm’s way.”
      That’s “attitude!”

    • @104thDIVTimberwolf
      @104thDIVTimberwolf Před 5 lety

      "I have not yet begun to fight" came later. On this cruise, it was "I have not yet begun to DRINK!"

    • @_Peremalfait
      @_Peremalfait Před 5 lety +1

      One lesson that should be passed on: Burn the ships, THEN get drunk.

  • @kameraddog624
    @kameraddog624 Před 5 lety +16

    I am very pleased that this was in my recommended.

  • @jdbaumanns
    @jdbaumanns Před 5 lety +1

    Glad this amazing channel showed up in my recommendation section! Looking forward to watching and learning more about history! Thanks for your effort in making this wonderful channel!

  • @ghostwriterscorner502
    @ghostwriterscorner502 Před 5 lety +48

    They say Captain Kirk from Star Trek is supposed to be based on Horatio Hornblower. But, swear to god, all of this sounds like some very Captain Kirk type of strategery here. Along with Scotty visiting the bar...

  • @nevyen149
    @nevyen149 Před 6 lety +142

    The Whitehaven Raid reminds me of another attempt at striking the very heart and soil of Britain (pun intended), the Battle of Fishguard. French forces, and a few Irish too, tried to attack England after a failed attempt to help force the British out of Ireland. They couldn't land a single soldier in Ireland due to weather, but ended up trying to invade at Fishguard in Wales, just to accomplish something. However, a cargo of shipwrecked Portuguese wine had flooded the area a couple of weeks prior, and as the troops broke away from their orders to loot the countryside, they found it and got drunk. Before they could dig in, or do damage, the whole thing was a bust. Considered the 'last' invasion of Britain, it was alcohol, more than tactics or heroics, which saved the day.

    • @TheHistoryGuyChannel
      @TheHistoryGuyChannel  Před 6 lety +23

      nevyen what a great story! I will look it up!

    • @nevyen149
      @nevyen149 Před 6 lety +4

      I learned about it from something BBC...probably one of the series with (Sir) Tony Robinson like "Walking through History". Whatever show I saw it on also had one on the Whitehaven Raid, because I'd actually heard of it before seeing this. Love the program, hate the fact I'm gonna run out of episodes I haven't seen at some point.
      Can you do one on that time in history when you got cloned, and the clones do nothing all day but make more documentaries?

    • @neildahlgaard-sigsworth3819
      @neildahlgaard-sigsworth3819 Před 6 lety +12

      nevyen is that the same French invasion that surrendered to a group of Welsh women?

    • @peterbrazier7107
      @peterbrazier7107 Před 6 lety +9

      The Welsh women were in National dress, so the French thought it was the British army that had turned up.

    • @MitzvosGolem1
      @MitzvosGolem1 Před 6 lety

      nevyen IRA and nazi "operation Katherine" and "operation Green"..

  • @bieuxyongson
    @bieuxyongson Před 5 lety +30

    This is great! I love history. Just perfect for a quick listen. They don’t teach this stuff anymore.

    • @tadonplane8265
      @tadonplane8265 Před 4 lety +2

      Leslie Sexton with all due respect, they never did! I attended school in the 60s, it was all about memorizing dates and acts of congress, very dry and mechanical. THG presents it in a narrative...a good yarn...of human history...with feeling.

  • @AnonYmous-qg4ph
    @AnonYmous-qg4ph Před 5 lety +13

    I like when John Paul Jones flew enemy colors and when the officer from the British ship boarded, they took him prisoner

  • @douglasdaniel4504
    @douglasdaniel4504 Před 6 lety +88

    Wait, wait...so in this instance, England's strongest defensive weapon was its booze?
    On the other hand, they were AMERICAN sailors, so I guess it makes sense....

    • @peterbrazier7107
      @peterbrazier7107 Před 6 lety +6

      And English beer is stronger than American.

    • @johnycoho7830
      @johnycoho7830 Před 5 lety +13

      But America has the strongest Moonshine.

    • @STho205
      @STho205 Před 5 lety +9

      And what kind of fine whiskey would you have in this English tavern? Would you have any English Whiskey?
      No, only Scotch, Irish and Tennessee.
      So there wouldn't be any famous English whiskeys, would there. Only good single malt Scotch, from Scotland.
      Yes, that's right McDuff
      Then I'll be having a fine glass of Scotch Whiskey, the only true whiskey, from that place where everything is better. That place called Scotland......

    • @daveclose4935
      @daveclose4935 Před 5 lety +3

      @@STho205 Tennessee whiskey no such thing that was made by a welsh guy who moved to america so strictly not american at all

    • @STho205
      @STho205 Před 5 lety +2

      dave close. No such nation as Wales. Not a kingdom, not a country element of the United Kingdom. Just an occupied possession of England. No such thing as Wales. Just western England.

  • @MajinBradPrime2
    @MajinBradPrime2 Před 6 lety +36

    Apart from geographical inaccuracies already pointed it it’s great to see this story of my home town, Whitehaven being told 😁

  • @bobdavis7192
    @bobdavis7192 Před 4 lety

    Once again, a great story, told well! Thanks for all you do on this channel.

  • @niveklaemtao1773
    @niveklaemtao1773 Před 5 lety

    This was a great video very informative and entertaining. Thank you very much for your time.

  • @DaveBailiff
    @DaveBailiff Před 6 lety +44

    Whitehaven uk is on the nw coast.
    Theres a pub on the harbour
    Called "the john paul jones"
    Its only a small town.
    Hilarious they got drunk instead.

    • @nlwilson4892
      @nlwilson4892 Před 6 lety +2

      The pub has closed. It should be noted that it isn't the pub from the story, that is believed to be a building on one of the quays which is no longer a pub.

  • @eddyaruda486
    @eddyaruda486 Před 5 lety +5

    I just love your ability to tell a great story and make the learning of history so compelling. Fascinating story!

  • @T_bone
    @T_bone Před 5 lety +9

    Wow, wow, wow, wow! I love history for this reason; when ever you think you know a lot, you learn more. The details and exploits of times and people involved are unceasingly amazing.

    • @davidhouston4810
      @davidhouston4810 Před 3 lety +1

      Agreed, I hope you will tell all your friends of the "dastardly" Whitehaven raid, the pub is open if you want to visit,
      Yanks are always welcome.

  • @trentwinston2914
    @trentwinston2914 Před 5 lety +1

    Great Story. I didn't expect you to be as good a story teller. I love History, and just subscribed. I look forward to seeing more of these video's.

  • @morskojvolk
    @morskojvolk Před 6 lety +26

    THIS is my favorite video of yours (so far)! Thank you. Jones was an interesting character in so many ways, but one of the most interesting facts about him (to me) was that he never rose above the rank of Captain in the US Navy. His Admiral's flag was awarded by Catherine the Great for service in the Imperial Russian Navy.

    • @istvan5674
      @istvan5674 Před 5 lety +7

      @Calaveras Sam Clemens Actually he was a patriot who saw his navy, despite his reform efforts, still block his path to promotion. Having made too many political enemies he took service abroad as did many a beached officer on half pay. To call him an international mercenary would be to call many an important figure in the American Revolution the same, General von Stuben, General Johann de Kalb, General Casimir Pulaski, even the Marquis de La Fayette then were "international mercenaries". However, without John Paul Jones and these others there would be no United States of America as we know it today.
      As for the sobriquet of "pirate" for Jones, only the British called him a pirate during the Revolution, that was typical propaganda at the time, but he followed the laws of war and committed no atrocities. Prizes were taken by all sides, it was a fact of warfare for crews to earn prize money both with privateers and commissioned naval vessels like the USS Ranger. His sailors and marine officer lacked discipline because the navy was new.

    • @istvan5674
      @istvan5674 Před 5 lety +3

      @Calaveras Sam Clemens Please point out your sources on his statements where he repudiated his loyalty to the United States. He lost the only employment the US Navy and Congress offered him when his ship was given to France. He then went to France to collect his prize money to find it lost to him. Needing employment he took it where he could and though the Russians sought to list him as a French citizen he maintained his US citizenship and US Navy officer background. That proved a source of enmity with other foreign officers, notably British serving the Russians and led to him being on the beach again. After leaving Russia, with whom he spent only 1 year in active service, he returned to France where he again served his country, or would've if it hadn't been for his untimely death, as a diplomat. Jones spent time looking for work, as any ship captain does who is without a ship, never serving with a country that was a potential belligerent to the United States. That a ship captain was aboard is not that unheard of. Again for the charge of being a mercenary and adventurer, none of the men I mentioned made their fortune serving in the Revolutionary War. America was not rich and offered little beyond rank and deadly risk for these men, the same as any other patriot. I don't know why you have the beef against Jones, he was and remains a very important figure that helped America.
      As for "independent contractors," I don't have a problem with them either but that's really another topic not belonging on the History Guy's page, unless he talks about the story of the Lincoln Brigade during the Spanish Civil War, or Vietnam Veterans who fought for Rhodesia, or some other related bit of history.

    • @istvan5674
      @istvan5674 Před 5 lety +2

      @Calaveras Sam Clemens I haven't ignored the points you made, I've addressed them. You called John Paul Jones a pirate. A pirate is a sea robber, a criminal without a country's backing. As I said, the British called him a pirate as a matter of propaganda. They called George Washington and the rest of the "rebels" the same or worse in the same British newspapers.
      You said he was an "international mercenary" when he held a second commission after his first ended. It was not uncommon or unheard of for officers of other navies to do the same when without opportunity for a ship during peacetime and I also pointed out that among is most bitter enemies in Russia were British naval officers serving the Czarina. Once there was opportunity to return to work for his country as an envoy, he took that posting though he died before being able to serve as consul to the Bey of Algiers, again showing his loyalty to his adopted country.
      You said he was not a patriot, and you accused Jones of seeking "coveted titles and other rewards." As I pointed out, he sought work as a naval officer, something a small, struggling peacetime US Navy couldn't or wouldn't provide him. Other Americans since then have done the same when the US couldn't provide them service. I can give you another example of a "true patriot" who left the United States for a foreign service and when the country needed him, he returned. Despite my strong dislike for General Douglas MacArthur nobody can call him anything but a patriot. Yet he retired from the US Army in 1937 to go and take up a Field Marshal's baton for the fledgling government of the Philippines. He relished the rank and title, I say he botched the job he was brought to the Philippines to do and Japan rolled over a much larger US-Philippine force because of MacArthur's mistakes. However, that's another discussion altogether.
      I addressed your points, which are unsubstantiated by historical references and seem to be merely your opinion. I ignored the discipline comment as had it been a real issue of the time I'm sure Jones would've been subject to a court martial for it. His marine officer's failure to maintain order does reflect on Jones but overall the mission was a success for the American cause as the History Guy pointed out. It isn't the first time green American soldiers and sailors made mistakes, at least Jones' crew didn't take loses for it and Jones as well as he crew went on to much greater successes in later actions.
      None of your other points were about Jones but about other American patriots and that revolutions seldom succeed without outside intervention. That former point was not called to question, being descended from not one, but two Revolutionary soldiers I know what might have happened should the revolution have failed, my family and I might not even exist. Your second point, regarding outside intervention, seems instead to support the involvement of people like Jones and the others I mentioned.
      Finally, your retort that "National myths are not historical facts" seems to be baseless as you don't present any historical facts in your argument, just your opinion. Where are the writings by contemporary patriots that Jones was not loyal? Where are the histories that diminish his record? What the History Guy pointed out is history, not myth. Again, I ask you why the beef with John Paul Jones? Whitehaven pardoned Jones in 1999, why haven't you?

    • @istvan5674
      @istvan5674 Před 5 lety +2

      @Calaveras Sam Clemens When a man starts with the personal attacks you know he's run out of facts and logic. Good bye!

  • @StinkzMehaff
    @StinkzMehaff Před 6 lety +3

    I love this channel.
    I listen to at least one episode every night before bed.
    Thank you!

  • @10Flat
    @10Flat Před 5 lety +7

    My Son and I are on separate ends of the country. We take turns sending CZcams history from ancient to present to one another. This just got pasted and sent thanks.

  • @jeffburdette2025
    @jeffburdette2025 Před 5 lety

    Thank you for that little snippet of information

  • @stephenbritton9297
    @stephenbritton9297 Před 6 lety +176

    "It's like fighting ourselves!" One RN officer once observed about fighting the Americans at sea.

    • @thurin84
      @thurin84 Před 6 lety +58

      well considering the number of americans press ganged into the royal navy, he wasnt wrong.

    • @backchat8086
      @backchat8086 Před 5 lety +13

      @@thurin84 lol

    • @backchat8086
      @backchat8086 Před 5 lety +69

      Back then we virtually were the same people

    • @cplcabs
      @cplcabs Před 5 lety +63

      They basically were, most people on the US continent were British

    • @jestpassinthru9915
      @jestpassinthru9915 Před 5 lety +42

      The Captain was Scottish so was British. .in effect a Brit invaded Britain lol

  • @careyparker2673
    @careyparker2673 Před 6 lety +14

    I love the way the went to the pub to get a light and stopped for to many beers!

    • @sgtbender1335
      @sgtbender1335 Před 5 lety +3

      I wanna know who the English or Scottish heroine is that convinced the invading U.S. Marines to have beer or two before torching the port. That pretty barmaid deserves credit for foiling an invasion. :D

  • @email3021
    @email3021 Před 5 lety

    This was excellent! Just the kind of stuff I especially love in history! Thank you so much sir!

  • @johnklaren4929
    @johnklaren4929 Před 3 lety

    That is a great story that I do not remember learning about in school ! Thanks for sharing and please keep up the great work !!!

  • @sincerelyyours7538
    @sincerelyyours7538 Před 5 lety +7

    Great story! I enjoy all your history videos. Much has been said in the comments comparing this raid to the Doolittle raid of WW2, and rightly so, but it reminds me of another raid that showed similar derring-do and resulted in similar damage but had a much wider impact on the outcome of history. It is the Nov 21, 1914 raid on the Friedrichshafen Zeppelin grounds when three intrepid Allied airmen flew Avro 504 biplanes from Belfort France over the Black Forest mountains to Friedrichshafen Germany on the shore of Lake Constance. There, barely four months into WW1, the Germans had been building their Zeppelins in huge hangars to use in their terror campaign to force the English into an early surrender. They had thought that Allied aircraft could not reach their secret base but got the surprise of their lives when it actually happened. Like the JPJ and Doolittle raids, this raid resulted in little actual damage but the psychological impact forced major defensive improvements that took resources and manpower away from the war at large. The three pilots are barely remembered today so this would make a great subject for another or your history videos.

  • @markpowls
    @markpowls Před 5 lety +6

    I think we need more of our founding history. There is so much about that part of our American history that is ignored, skewed, perverted, or deleted from education.

  • @REBELSCL
    @REBELSCL Před rokem +2

    I applaud your knowledge of history… I graduated with a BA in history many many years ago. I actually had a double major in that I also majored in Poli Sci… I chose courses in both fields that centered around War… and was able to do deep dives on the same time periods in both fields. My first love was always History. I’m a resident of Richmond Virginia so I’m surrounded by history from 1600’s thru present day.. Your CZcams channel is a real delight!

  • @Johnnysax69
    @Johnnysax69 Před 5 lety

    Awesome video. Glad I found your channel

  • @davidgudlaugson528
    @davidgudlaugson528 Před 5 lety +8

    Dr. hello!! I really enjoyed this! Magnificent story. I'm sure there were some screaming matches at the British Admiralty after this adventure! Ha ha ha!!

  • @DrogoBaggins987
    @DrogoBaggins987 Před 6 lety +15

    I have never heard a story of commando raids that were cute and amusing before this.

  • @openclassusa3534
    @openclassusa3534 Před 5 lety

    Great job History Guy !!

  • @tinytree100
    @tinytree100 Před 5 lety

    Great history well told, thanks.

  • @DavidS-iw4ei
    @DavidS-iw4ei Před 6 lety +14

    John Paul you little devil you.
    Thanks again for a great video.

  • @neilstiener5553
    @neilstiener5553 Před 6 lety +55

    John Paul Jones was given an honorary pardon in 1999 by the Port of Whitehaven for his raid on the town, in the presence of Lt. Steve Lyons representing the US Naval Attaché to the UK, and Yuri Fokine the Russian Ambassador to the UK. The US Navy were also awarded the Freedom of the Port of Whitehaven, the only time the honour has been granted in its 400-year history.
    The Pardon and Freedom were arranged by Gerard Richardson MBE as part of the launch of the series of Maritime Festival. Richardson's of Whitehaven is now the honorary Consulate to the US Navy for the Town and Port of Whitehaven. The Consul is Rear Admiral (retired) US Navy, Steve Morgan and the Deputy Consul is Rob Romano.

    • @christianfreedom-seeker934
      @christianfreedom-seeker934 Před 5 lety

      You make it sound like American servicemen are restricted to base in event of war. Weren't we running around all over the place, getting war brides and whatnot? (In fact the subtle cultural change made by US Servicemen in WWII might have led to the Britian of today. There is not as much "restricted to class" as there was in the old days. People are much more upwardly mobile these days.

    • @sharkwolf7788
      @sharkwolf7788 Před 5 lety +1

      Being granted the freedom of the town or freedom of the city is an honorary award. It doesn't actually mean they weren't allowed to be there before. The regiment I was part of marched through the local town every year to celebrate being granted the freedom of the town. To a military unit it Grant's the right to March through a town or city with arms.

    • @TheWoollyFrog
      @TheWoollyFrog Před 5 lety

      Sounds like a sign of weakness. Has tourism in the area increased as a result at least?

    • @stevek8829
      @stevek8829 Před 5 lety

      To accept a pardon would be to imply the act was dishonorable.

  • @RobFine
    @RobFine Před 3 lety

    Great video. Very interesting story, well told. Thanks!

  • @hafidmeliani
    @hafidmeliani Před 5 lety

    Very interesting ! Thank you to have shared this unknown story !!

  • @Eisman57
    @Eisman57 Před 5 lety +4

    Audacious raid on a wartime enemy's homeland presumed to be sheltered by distance from direct assault? Causing little actual damage but having an enormous psychological impact? Whitehaven begs comparison to Jimmy Doolittle's raiders 164 years later almost to the day. Love your channel, hug fan.

  • @normanboyes4983
    @normanboyes4983 Před 6 lety +67

    Enjoyed that 👍 You have a great channel and deserve much more exposure and subscriptions. You should also visit Cumbria (now that you know where Whitehaven is 😉)- a beautiful part of the world - I think early autumn is best (not so many tourists) to enjoy the majestic landscapes of the Lake District in particular (bring wet weather clothing - there is a good reason why there are lakes there).

  • @therabman_5606
    @therabman_5606 Před 5 lety

    Nice wee bit of information learnt today 👍

  • @kevinj2261
    @kevinj2261 Před 5 lety

    Thumb up to this episode of "History Deserves to Be Remembered
    " , well done!

  • @ElliotBrownJingles
    @ElliotBrownJingles Před 5 lety +56

    John Paul Jones in an old tin can,
    Scoured the oceans like a fightin' man
    The British said 'Paul, are you ready to strike?'
    And Paul said 'I'm just beginnin' to fight'.
    -Jimmie Driftwood - Soldier's Joy

  • @SilverSunPublishing
    @SilverSunPublishing Před 5 lety +7

    A fine example of how Boldness and Courage can win the day!

  • @MichaelWilliams-mo1vv
    @MichaelWilliams-mo1vv Před 5 lety +1

    Amazing bit of history I'd never heard about thanks for posting.

  • @corylemons7242
    @corylemons7242 Před 5 lety

    Truly interesting and amazing story. Thank you for that cool history lesson. Subscribed sir.

  • @aaroncutting
    @aaroncutting Před 5 lety +9

    *in the pub* "oi! Mate! Where ya from!"
    *Panicked sailors* "..... Uhhhhh Liverpool?"

  • @harrywilson0928
    @harrywilson0928 Před 5 lety +15

    Classic Whitehaven that people got drunk instead of doing there job , happens every day

  • @JMEMantzel
    @JMEMantzel Před 5 lety

    Wow, that was excellent! you're an excellent story teller. I'm going to show my kids your channel. Thanks!

  • @aranmcginnis7579
    @aranmcginnis7579 Před 5 lety

    Thank you for the knowledge...interesting and informative.

  • @Cl0ckcl0ck
    @Cl0ckcl0ck Před 5 lety +5

    Wow, the total story is even cooler.
    "Jones next crossed the Solway Firth from Whitehaven to Scotland, hoping to hold for ransom the Earl of Selkirk, who lived on St Mary's Isle near Kirkcudbright. The Earl, Jones reasoned, could be exchanged for American sailors impressed into the Royal Navy. The Earl was discovered to be absent from his estate, so his wife entertained the officers and conducted negotiations. Canadian historian Peter C. Newman gives credit to the governess for protecting the young heir and to the butler for filling a sack half with coal, and topping it up with the family silver, in order to fob off the Americans. Jones claimed that he intended to return directly to his ship and continue seeking prizes elsewhere, but his crew wished to "pillage, burn, and plunder all they could". Ultimately, Jones allowed the crew to seize a silver plate set adorned with the family's emblem to placate their desires, but nothing else. Jones bought the plate himself when it was later sold off in France, and returned it to the Earl of Selkirk after the war."
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Paul_Jones

    • @stevemorgan4260
      @stevemorgan4260 Před 5 lety +1

      Jones’ motivation was to free CAPTURED American sailors who were imprisoned as traitorous pirates and held in terrible conditions. Impressed sailors were treated just like any other British seaman.

  • @rm9308
    @rm9308 Před 5 lety +11

    "I am the commander of a sloop of war. Respect my authoritie!"

    • @brdrcrsr08
      @brdrcrsr08 Před 5 lety +1

      R M the greatest enemy we've ever faced...

  • @AlphaOmegaAc5
    @AlphaOmegaAc5 Před 5 lety

    Love this video. You just got another subscriber. Love history and love hearing about history that I've never heard before.

  • @AndrejTelisman
    @AndrejTelisman Před 5 lety

    Ty on interesting info. I am intersted in history too, and yours short videos ste refresh and well made. Keep a good work

  • @GrayNeko
    @GrayNeko Před 6 lety +5

    Wow, I have never even heard of this before! Great video! Where's the movie?

  • @jebes909090
    @jebes909090 Před 5 lety +7

    It's the most adorable raid in history 🤣🤣
    Next he changed the Earl's tea from green tea to peppermint and roughly trimmed his garden.

    • @DestructionOfRome
      @DestructionOfRome Před 5 lety +2

      Left a polite but stern letter of disapproval for the Earl’s absence and poor hospitality towards esteemed guests as well.

  • @kougerat5388
    @kougerat5388 Před 5 lety

    That was a really interesting snippet of history I never knew about ! thanks history guy great videos ;-)

  • @raybeaulieu6187
    @raybeaulieu6187 Před 5 lety

    That was excellent! Thank you!

  • @ericwilliams2317
    @ericwilliams2317 Před 5 lety +6

    Sailors, getting drunk in a pub???? What do you expect! Not only that, JPJ became the bass player in Led Zepp - what a guy!

  • @deanpd3402
    @deanpd3402 Před 5 lety +35

    Interesting that the media was as sensationalist then as now.

    • @Tufarock
      @Tufarock Před 5 lety +4

      It was much worse

    • @orionsghost9511
      @orionsghost9511 Před 5 lety +3

      You can be sure it was quite controlled. Who had the money to start a paper? And think about how literacy was largely limited to those who were, at the least, land owners.

    • @OriginalMegamanX
      @OriginalMegamanX Před 5 lety +1

      @ Dean PD Lol, I had the same thought. It sounded exactly like a modern news report.

    • @westerjester5066
      @westerjester5066 Před 5 lety +1

      One rule always owned it. Same goal different century.

  • @Doc_Egan
    @Doc_Egan Před 10 měsíci +1

    Great video on JPJ!

  • @brendanquinlan5936
    @brendanquinlan5936 Před 5 lety

    Great episode 👍

  • @patrickmcglonejr8163
    @patrickmcglonejr8163 Před 5 lety +16

    My family is directly descended from John Paul Jones, on my father's side, and here's what's even crazier... my father served on the flight deck of the now decommissioned USS RANGER. Now THATS some coincidence for ya.

    • @MrJas321
      @MrJas321 Před 5 lety +4

      JPJ never married or had children.

    • @dnzswithwombats
      @dnzswithwombats Před 3 lety +2

      @@MrJas321 Then, it's even MORE amazing!!!

    • @Carl-ld5jy
      @Carl-ld5jy Před 3 lety

      r/thathappened. No, Jones never had kids, so you aren't descended from him!

  • @itsjohndell
    @itsjohndell Před 6 lety +17

    Since Im too lazy to scroll down I see this as very similar to the Doolittle Raid on Japan. No tactical effect but a huge Psycho-Strategic effect, not only causing fear but tying up British Forces for the defense of England. I humbly admit i knew nothing of this event and thank you for your now subscribed channel! Good work!

    • @louiswallis8687
      @louiswallis8687 Před 5 lety +1

      itsjohndell I doubt the British feared an invasion from the Colonists, after all we would have crushed them if it weren’t for the French.

  • @docp9956
    @docp9956 Před 5 lety

    I thoroughly enjoy your videos, history was my least favorite subject as a kid, but I grew to love it later. I recently found a good deal out about my own family history. My mother's side settled in Barnstable, MA in 1630. My 12th GGrandfather was a Sergeant in the Connecticut Continental Army, my fourth GGrandfather was in the Union... even got some pictures from a relative of my ancestors from late 19th and early 20th centuries... just awesome history, love it. Thank you for all that you do!

  • @ryanhill8886
    @ryanhill8886 Před 5 lety

    This story sounds like good material for a Hollywood blockbuster. Your posts on historical events are quite informative and enlightening. Keep up the good work.

  • @MARKSTRINGFELLOW1
    @MARKSTRINGFELLOW1 Před 6 lety +23

    Whitehaven is on the northwest shore below Workington

    • @nlwilson4892
      @nlwilson4892 Před 5 lety +1

      South of Whitehaven, we're definitely not below them :)

  • @UTubeGlennAR
    @UTubeGlennAR Před 6 lety +71

    :}
    Once again vary interesting and informative. Ironically, even more so for me since I live near to WhiteHaven Pa.
    I actually had not a clue the 13 little colonies pulled a Jimmy Doollittle like raid on the mighty "British Empire".
    Keep up the good work, it is greatly appreciated from this corner........
    :}

    • @Rafferty1968
      @Rafferty1968 Před 6 lety +1

      Is there not a statue in the harbour somewhere?

    • @1IbramGaunt
      @1IbramGaunt Před 5 lety +7

      You mean the same 'mighty' British Empire that managed to conquer a quarter of the Earth's surface and hold on to most of that for over two centuries? THAT British Empire? The same empire that took on two rival empires at once with the same technology level, and with greater numbers, in a proper pitched naval battle just a couple of decades later, and WON? yeah that empire was pretty damn mighty mate, you do realise that no foreign power has succeeded in conquering this little group of islands in over 900 years and that this same little group of islands has taken on every other major power in the world in war and won at least once, INCLUDING the US the next time they tried anything in 1812 (I call trying to invade Canada, getting sent packing AND getting your White House burned down in the process losing)

    • @joecoin
      @joecoin Před 5 lety +3

      @@1IbramGaunt Except the USA was hardly a "major power" in 1812, now was it? After that, you limeys got smart and threw in your lot with us. Don't push your luck.

    • @1IbramGaunt
      @1IbramGaunt Před 5 lety +3

      @@joecoin well we didn't push it did we, regardless of not being a major power back then you were aided by other nations who were, were clearly GOING to become one yourselves before long and so yes, we BOTH eventually decided if you can't beat them join them, and we DID, we've been fighting side-by-side ever since, and I think that worked out pretty well for all concerned don't you? except for those we fought against together that is

    • @joecoin
      @joecoin Před 5 lety +2

      @@1IbramGaunt Yes, it has worked out pretty well for both countries. The UK and the Dominions/Commonwealth have been wonderful allies.

  • @OriginalMegamanX
    @OriginalMegamanX Před 5 lety

    I'm sorry to admit that this is the first time I've heard of your channel. I have long been a student of history firmly believing that those who don't learn from it truly are doomed to repeat it. That being said I never knew anything about John Paul Jones or his exploits.This was beyond interesting. A story worth remembering indeed. Subscribed.

  • @beerbrewer737
    @beerbrewer737 Před 5 lety

    Another great video!

  • @atomiccracker
    @atomiccracker Před 5 lety +26

    "But they ended up getting drunk instead" ....yep, that what usually happens with my saturday Honey-Do Lists!

  • @unchained3502
    @unchained3502 Před 5 lety +4

    This guy had freakin balls that clank!! How is there not a movie of this guy???

    • @unchained3502
      @unchained3502 Před 5 lety

      @zak david i don't give a shit how anti he is. We all have our personal feelings about things. The man puts out movies that become iconic. Labels are thrown around so much these days by the self righteous, they literally mean shit to me now.

    • @toddbryan9748
      @toddbryan9748 Před 4 lety

      They did back in the 40's or 50's with Robert Stack as JPJ

  • @fastshooter6598
    @fastshooter6598 Před 5 lety

    It seems that the older I get the more I enjoy learning about history. That was a good one. Thanks.

  • @terranceroff8113
    @terranceroff8113 Před 5 lety

    I like the more interesting and personal stories of Naval History and you do have a fun delivery. I'll watch all you tell. :-)