Karen Confrontation over Drone Flight in NO FLY zone over Private Property
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- čas přidán 15. 05. 2024
- A local real estate agent asked me to drone film a property, but it has turned out to be a challenge as the private property is located in a blue zone (no-fly zone). Therefore, permission for flight must be obtained from the Defense Command §13 BEK 1649. But that's not the only problem. As you can see in the video, the biggest challenge is avoiding confrontation with the neighbor and being allowed to carry out the task.
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Ridiculous. Tell them they are not the police and if they continue to bother you you will charge them for your time because they have no authority. You do not owe them any paperwork or explanation.
People are complete idiots.
Yes, something I would consider in the future future
Was about to write that, you have his address so you can charge based on all the minutes filmed on the gopro 😂
I think you handled it very well, Henrik. I don’t like having bystanders around when I am flying, but sometimes you can’t avoid them. With this especially difficult grump, you kept your patience and professionalism - a good example for all of us!
Thank you was challenging not to blow up
You're a very patient man Henrik, I think you handled it very professionally without getting angry when he was clearly in the wrong. You went above and beyond to explain to him and make him comfortable with what you were doing. Cheers
Had a similar experience when a customer wanted drone footage of their property. Ive gotten to know ATC (Air Traffic Control) quite well since Controlled Air Space is 5-7 miles radius and 90% of my drone flights happens in that area. First thing I would do is call ATC or in your case the Castle. Second I would call local law enforcement let them know what you are doing and to stand by. Here in the US, "Interfering with a flight crew is a federal crime and can bring severe penalties, including years in prison and massive fines." Believe it or not Drones are air craft, and you as a drone pilot, your work can not be interupeted. That's why commercial drone pilots need to be registered with the FAA, but being international I don't know the laws in Denmark. Smart move with the body camera. I had an "angry neighbor" claiming I was spying on him and he was going to shoot my drone down. Shooting down an airplane is a big No No! I explained to him that shooting down my drone was no different than shooting down a Boeing 373 or a Cessna. He disagreed and I called the local law enforcement, and they explained to him the exact same thing and arrested him....he must have plead guilty cause I never got a summons/suponea
Crazy I’m not sure that the law enforcement here would take it that far
Because they see military drone footage on the TV, and think that EVERY drone has a 5000x zoom Infra Red, thermal imaging camera that can see through walls and roofs. That's why busybodies start frothing at the mouth every time they see or hear a drone, even a kids toy one. Well done for not loosing your temper with this fool Henrik.
I think you are right the perception of drones are very much fueled by the media
I would have just told the guy to F off. You are much more patient than I am. I wouldn't have given him any paperwork. I would have called the police myself to get this guy out of my face.
Thank you for sharing this. In the USA we have a federal law that says (for safety) you cannot interfere with the pilot or operation of an aircraft. There is no exception cutout for drones. Do you have a similar rule in your country? I prefer deescalation as you tried, but after that idiot continued to waste your valuable time, it would have been interesting to see how he would react to a statement "if you insist on continuing with interfering with my job I will call the police and quote to them the law that no person may interfere with a safe operation of an aircraft. We'll see if you will be charged, is that your preference?"
Ha yes - we have the same rules but they are not enforced very strongly
Mystifies me as to what it is about a tiny drone that triggers these lunatics. Should have called the police on him for interfering you the pilot while conducting a legally authorized commercial flight. I don’t understand why people can’t just mind their own business anymore.🤷♂️
Yes, that’s for sure. People have cell phones all over the place with cameras too, but nobody seems to care about that.
That is because they believe drones can film them taking a dump in their garden or any kind of embarrassing act, they think drones will film their kids, pets or relatives doing stuff they shouldn't, or just something cringe enough to by wireless. So they are desperately trying to protect their privacy, while making themselves kind of suspicious.
I don't know why you showed him the permission. He has no authority so you don't have to show him anything. I would not have given him my name either. If he wanted something he can call the police station. Otherwise this anoying type should move on.
Yes, something I would take into consideration next time this happens because we all know that it will
Yes, there's concern that he might not give the papers back to make your conversation with the police difficult. He was, after all, harassing you.
Been flying Quadcopters / Drones for over 12 year's and I have never had to call a guard at a Castle lol
This is a bit special because because the royal family lives there
Henrik, you managed the situation very well! What I hoped I would have done, was being a bit more “aggressive”: Let me land the drone, then we can talk. You can see my permissions and take a photo of them (I wouldn’t hand it over, unless I also had another copy). If I show you my flight log and we establish that I didn’t fly over your property are we then okay? If not then I will call the police and ask them to settle this. Right now you are disturbing a pilot at work. If he still was arguing then let him know that the body cam is recording everything and he is now doing a violation which will also be a part of the police report. And then try to ignore him until the police hopefully arrives.
Some people have got nothing better to do in their lives but to complain, whine & make other peoples lives as miserable as theirs obviously is. You certainly did all the right things Henrik
and now we know why the owner wans to sell the house with neighbors like that
Yes, you have a point
You don't need to show him any paperwork, he's not the police.
True
You are a very patient man. I have two words I often use for people like him. He's a liar that doesn't know what he's talking about. Thanks for that video.
Yes, he did lie about seeing the approval
People get so territorial when it comes to drones. People are so paranoid about this.
Very, very true. Even my small toy ones get the neighbors freaking out.
Probably fueled by the media
Even if you were over his house, how is that a problem?
it's not
Because he had to have permission to fly in the area... that means the airspace..
@@TECHDRONEMEDIAIt’s not?
Really depends on the local laws and the circumstances. Some States in the US have laws against flying drones over private property that is inaccessible to the public. Other States have no such laws. Many States have privacy laws that forbid using drones to view/record inside windows with the intent to violate someone's privacy. In any event the only thing someone can do if they think a drone is violating the law is call the police. It is a federal crime to damage/take down the drone or disrupt the pilot, causing a flight incident.
@@Knypsterino In the EU, you can fly over private land, including in residential areas. What you can't do is record video/take pictures, or otherwise do anything that invades privacy. The act of overflying (even hovering) though is perfectly fine, so long as you are not doing so dangerously, or to intimidate or otherwise use the drone itself to cause harassment. e.g., if you fly over a residential area and hover to take pictures of the area, that is totally legitimate. Even photos of the built-up area are fine, so long as you do not publish anything that breaches someone's privacy. Unless you're doing things you shouldn't, a drone is no more invasive than all the recon satellites flying overhead everyday. Just fire up Google maps and Google Streetview. O can stand on the street and take whatever photos I want as is it deemed a public space. What I can't do is point my camera to look in windows, or stand outside your house and photograph it specifically, as that enters the realm of breaching privacy. Even Ring doorbell cameras are now getting hit with the law on breaching privacy, because they are recording audio at great distances and looking into people's houses due to the angle/aspect of the camera.
The bodycam is the best safety device. I usually just tell them: I like to inform you, that for security reasons you are being filmed interrupring the drone operator. In a few seconds I'm going to find something expensive, crush into it and I'm pretty sure that my insurer has a team of lawyers, highly qualified in investigating the accident scene and recovering the costs of accident from the party at fault.
They quickly go away....
I think you did an excellent job. You researched and did thorough preparation before you arrived at the client. Everything you did is defensible.
I was trying to do everything by the book that’s why it was extra annoying when this guy arrives
Awsome video 👍Good info for us, thanks👍I would never handover the original documents....make allways a copy for these kind of problems. Again, thank you for this usefull info. Greetings from The Netherlands🌷
You handled it as well as anyone can in that situation. All I would say is he had absolutely no legal right to see any of your personal information. You had done nothing illegal and he has zero authority in any regard. On that basis I would have landed the drone and called the police myself to prevent being harassed any further and threatened to press charges.
Yes, this is something I would take into consideration next time it happens
@@TECHDRONEMEDIA I understand the need for an easier life and it is always best to try and reach an amicable ground in gaining mutual understanding but they way he approached you was frankly disgusting and a complete infringement on your rights. I would not entertain any engagement with someone like that and let the police deal with him (if not my lawyer).
Here in the USA, I would be afraid to give my papers to a "Karen" for fear he would leave with them or tear them up.
If it's not a private number, I would have given him the phone number to the castle guard (that never answered) and tell him to call them if he has any questions.
Some of the pilot's here, have an information sheet printed and laminated. If someone one comes up during a flight, they give it to them to read while they continue to safely fly their drone. It will have information like:
1) I'm an FAA certified pilot.
2) It's a Federal crime to interfere with this flight.
3) (etc...)
I'm happy to politely summarize the rules or answer questions, but I'm under no obligation to provide, defend or prove anything.
And that makes perfect sense. People are not that aggressive here and they have limited access to guns.
I have been flying drones in Norway for a few years now, have never been in any bad situations like this... sometimes people come near and asks what i'm doing and they just are interested in my drone, video and photo quality, battery life how high I can fly and stuff like that ... I'm a hobby pilot though 😆I'm happy that I live in the countyside in south east Norway, and there is no restricted zones around here !
Just be lucky that you can fly without these conflicts as they are not really productive for once work
Handled it very well and very professional in my opinion brother 👍🏼
Thanks 👍
lol.... it's gets harder and harder to hide our double chins the older we get.. hahaha
That’s the fact of life
You are extremely patient with that “Karen” character. I can’t say exactly what I’d do, maybe just tell him to call the police if he has a problem and to leave me the fu-k alone. After that, I would try to ignore him and continue with the job. Because you had a body cam on, if he messed with you while you flew, I think he would be the one in trouble (after calling the police)
Years ago, as a young man, I would have just started the conversation telling him to “F- Off” 😆
So Denmark have turned into USA of Europe with all those Karens 😁
Yes, in the area where I live to top this off, I had one of my local neighbors complain about my V8 running in my driveway to heat up, so I’m getting a lot of practice right now
You were brave to land your drone so close to him! If he got more angry, he could have been no more drone..
Yes, that was clearly a risk and something I would think about next time
You own the land . Not the sky above
I know this is off topic but I respect your advice. My question is have you tried the "split" ND filters from Freewell? I'm interested in getting a set for my Air 3. There's not much information out there about them.
I’m not sure that I know these are that different strength for the two lenses
I have a set. They have different strengths so that the ev is the same for both lenses🙂
I think you did great!
You are a better man than me to go through all the explanations and to bring the drone down, lol. Here in California, the only people I have to identify with are Park Ranger and Law Enforcement.
Surprisingly, if there is a Karen somewhere, HEO is always nearby...
I thought about what I would have done differently and I have to say that it's clear that you have a certain amount of experience here. I would have done teh same in mentioning the police and offer support in doing so. It was probably effective. In my opinion, open communication with the direct passing on of personal information is also good for de-escalation. Two things go through my mind. On the one hand, I wonder what would have happened if he had realized that you were filming him. From his perspective, if you're not allowed to film his house, filming him during the confrontation is most likely not allowed either. The second thing that surprises me is that you land so extremely close to him that he could have easily destroyed the drone with one kick. Of course that wouldn't be understandable, but that's not his general reaction either...
I had the same after tought, that I should not have landed the drone where I did... You can film people in public
Not his air space you can fly over his house
Depends on the country
You should of asked him for his airspace ownership above his property, if he cant prove he owns it, tell him to piss off 😂
It happens, I've had people complaining Henrik it's annoying when they come out preaching the rules which they know nothing about! I think it's just bored people wanting to make a pointless argument because they're bored.
I would wear a cap and a "fluorescent work vest" marked with my company name or a simple ID card around the neck and having my business card I my pocket. On approach I would hand out the card and say: "call the police". As a working professional you don’t have to justify anything. (I recall rules that work Area must be marked/indicated). Keep up the good work. 🇩🇰👍.
I might carry some paperwork. I can hand out, but I’m not really sure that I wanna wear a reflective west looking like a traffic cone.
@@TECHDRONEMEDIA If you don't want to wear a hi-viz (I totally agree!), maybe a couple of cones to mark off an area? It would at least provide something for you to keep them away from you physically, and if they did enter the area, you can tell them they're trespassing and causing unlawful interference to an aircraft.
You have shit luck my friend! I’ve been flying drones for 10 years and never had a single negative interaction with anybody. Maybe that’s just because Canadians feel compelled to mind our own business most of the time? I’m not sure. Keep flying and make sure that GoPro is always on!😂
I will for sure I don’t know why I haven’t done that in the past using a body cam because that’s absolute brilliant way to protect myself and make content for you guys
I've had the thought but have not done it yet, of creating a flyer or brochure to leave on neighbor's doors the day before a job. That handout would identify me & my company (sales opp) and explains the drone will be in the air near their properties, with standard diagram showing a drone in the air & how the camera angles for the shots of the client property.
Good luck with that
LOL. I wouldn't give them advance notice. Makes it even easier for them to create trouble. You don't know how histole they are. They could even attempt to block you entirely. You owe them zero explanation or justification; don't give them the satisfaction.
People like this really pee me off! Maybe just land the drone and call the police!
Any kind of an old controller in hands of your spotter should take their attention away from you actually doing the job. I'm available to take that position, in case you are hiring. 😅
Nice decoy
You handled this very well, you were professional and added a little bit of arrogance in there for the camera albeit filming in 8X.
Yes, there was a part of it that might have been toned down if there was no camera present
The next version of the DJI RC controller needs to have built in cameras for this purpose 👍🏼
Ha I should forward that suggestion DJI
@@TECHDRONEMEDIA please do, we'll share the royalties 😁
Good video. There are a lot of unreasanable people to be had.
Tell me about it
He has no right to ask you for anything or demand your details. Instead, you should have landed the drone and called the police yourself, as this uptight individual is interfering with an official drone pilot simply doing his job. Yes, I've been there, done that 😂 Unfortunately there are people like that
You are absolutely right I should’ve done that
@@TECHDRONEMEDIA I wear a drone vest on those occasions. It somehow works very well to avoid such scenarios 😉
Maybe wearing a reflecive vest with words like "Authorized drone pilot flying, Do Not Disturb"
Where I live Transport Canada (TC) controls the airspace - period. As long as I respect the basic privacy laws, the TC apps clears the flight and I have permission to takeoff/land from the property owner there is nothing to contest. The basic nosey would be experts will simply get a response that all is legal and they can call the police if they wish to do so. Try to be nice but if it goes south stop the conversation and let the authorities handle it. More public education is needed as drones are becoming more popular.
I wrote my ideas already. Cheers, and get some hugs form me. Cheers!
Thanks
What kind of private Castle is this that gets its own exclusion zone and a large one at that ?
The royal one (home of the King and Queen)
It’s part of the Royal property and living quarters, so they have all the government protection in place (just for your information)
Birdman v2
Hello, im 13 and i would like to fly drones, as like a part source of income, i was wondering how i could get a license, and if a guardian would have to be with me at all times? Thanks in advace for the responce
You don’t need a license if you buy Drone that is below 250 g if you are in the EU and I’m pretty sure at least where I am the minimum age is 12
@@TECHDRONEMEDIA ok, thanks
not sure your laws but here in the US you can fly over private property without permission as the people do not own the airspace as it is controlled by the FAA.
As you mention, in US it's FAA regulations. In Europe it's EASA + national regulations & laws = mucho complicado ;-). Distances and open land in US is plenty, in Europe not so much,. Common ground is that the public or private individuals often are paranoid and /or want to rule the world according to their private interrest (singularity). In US there is Karens. They have spread to Denmark. I've personally been confronted by our law enforcement who, in general terms, dosn't have an inkling about what drone flying is about, what to be focused on and how to handle the authority they have. They often assume that you are guilty until prowen otherwise; in contrast to the what the laws says: you are innocent until proven guilty.
You can fly or private property now with the latest changes in the regulations, but you need to be above 100 m and have a velocity of 5 m/s
Sadly there are to many "karens" out there! maybe if you were using the Mini 4 pro he might not have noticed it was even there, i have only once had a "karen" say i could not fly were i was, i politely but firmly told him i could and have all the documents to prove it, he didn't bother me anymore after that, all other interactions have been positive with people showing a genuine interest in the drone.
I wish it would be like that here I love to talk about drones and would be very happy to show the technology to interested
I would have told him to p*ss off and call the police. If that would not have stopped that i would have landed the drone and called the police myself with the question if they could come check my papers etc in front of that guy. What i would not have done is showed that guy those papers because of my own privacy.
🙂❤👍 Good Idea to wear a GoPro on you this way you have any Confrontation on Video🙂 Watching from NB Canada🙂🙂🙂
Why would you notify the castle. You can fly over it they cant do anything. So over the top what most peopme do before flying get other people all anxious and stressed about just going for a quick flight. Completely unessassary steps Iam sorry but a little rediculous for a quick flight around a castle. Your not taking off on the ground of the property only in the air which they have no say over.
Rules are different here and this is the royal castle, so the security is very strict
Great video.
Very well handled Henrik!
First the dead castle phone line, then this self proclaimed guard.
Haha, driving up to the castle.... Great solution. Nice You were allowed to do that! Armed guards could have been "popping up"....
What I MIGHT HAVE DONE is not suitable for telling... Such a dick head. One step more and he might have been qualified for anger I don't want to use....
So far no flying has met anything else then curiosity. Starting up a business with an estate agent I'm all ears for Your experience. As far as I've got it (Sweden) no landowner owns the air above their property. That belongs to air traffic authorities. Even taking a pass by foto is okey but not "studying" any private property and house.
Just made a flight at 100 meters, in a control zone, recording quite some land, properties, according to the landowner 's interest from which property the flight was performed. He will get a link to the coming YT and some private high resolution pictures of his house and surroundings.
What could You have done differently? Knocking on every door within the hearing/watching sight of the flight? Not possible....
That was quite a challenge
@@TECHDRONEMEDIA I'm sure it was.
What a klaphat 🤣
yes, totalt..
I'm wondering why you grant him the authority to look at your private dokuments. In the first place they are none of his business! Your first and only response to his approach should be: What authority do you have on controlling a perfect legal activity? If you have any problem with my activity you must call the police and if you're interested, here is my buisinesscard . Thank you and goodbye.
Yes, I wish I had done that but it’s a learning process and it keeps getting better at it
why is it so laggy?
Because the video was accidentally recorded as a time lapse
@@TECHDRONEMEDIA ohhhh ok
Why did you offer to show him your papers?? He's nobody, and has no right to see anything 🤦♂️
I should probably not have done that, but I was trying to de-escalate the situation to get the job done
@@TECHDRONEMEDIA Best way to de-escalate is ignore completely.
People are assholes. Good move insisting he calls the police. They rarely will when they know they're full of sh*t and making things up.
hi there greetings from the uk hen i fly i always screen shot with a wireless mic to record karens and others so never had any trouble
Good plan that will work as well and was actually what was working that I used to microphone together with the screen recorder to capture the audio from the situation
If i were u i would have just told the guy i dont answer questions, u think i am doing somthing illegal then call the police and report me so they can come out here and make u look like a fool. But i live in united states so thats my opinion of what i would of done here in the U.S.
Yes, I would also be more direct next time in regards to calling the police
Jeg ville ikke engang indgå i en samtale med nogle imens jeg står med min drone, hvis folk er irriteret må de ringe til politiet (held og lykke med det) jeg er typisk væk allerede 15 min efter :D
What would I have done differently? I probably have gone mute and would have been unable to speak😏
I find that very heard
Give out flyers before doing the flying on neighboring properties. State on the flyer that you are allowed to fly there, have all the necessary approved documents and that you are a licenced and experienced drone pilot. But even then I think you're just a "Karen" magnet😂
There’s no room in the budget for doing all these loops, which probably wouldn’t help anyway
Very annoying
But I would have laughed at him
Its not like your flying a predator drone armed with hellfire missiles..... It seems people don't worry about you know real problems and not having their way all day every day.. obviously adult children who were considered "Gifted" and "Unique & Special" but it just comes down to them being miserable because if they cant get what they want they are going to make life miserable because they are misersble.. its crab mentality
Whats his problem??? He probably jelous
Cannot you fly below 15-20 feet and avoid this BIG BROTHER nonsense. Or would Putin's spies get pissed off😅😅😅
I will try..
You seem like a Karen magnet sometimes lol, they seem worse in Denmark with anti drone feelings? I luckily have never had a bad interaction yet although I have only done a small bit of commercial work and when I do that I wear a drone pilot hi viz and try to present myself as an industrial worker too busy to deal with anyone.
Yeah, seems like it
I get you showed him all your info etc to try and calm the situation, but really, what authority does he think he has to demand your information? If he thinks your doing something wrong he should just call the Police. Secondly you're far too nice blurring his face out. He's in a public place lets see this Karen
He has no authority and it might be a mistake from me to go down that route at least it didn’t work
What ridiculous country is this?
Denmark
You do not have to stage drone confrontations. I've had enough myself to know that if a pilot needs that footage it won't take many flights before you get a chance to capture it.
The way people are reacting to drones that’s for sure. They happen all the time.
Handled spot on Henrik. I Use the insta Go2 less conspicuous and easy to double tap to record. 😀
Good plan