Software Engineer Salaries... How much do programmers make?
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 13. 11. 2019
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After I got a degree in chemical engineering, I saw how much software engineers make, taught myself for a few months, and got a 120k job working remotely. This is the industry. All others can't even come close to comparing.
Thatâs amazing! Congrats, thatâs a hell of an accomplishment
How can you make 120k with only months of self taught? Thatâs even more than someone with a degree lol
@@branlynmorales8951 well its tech tbh alot of demand and little supply
@@branlynmorales8951espically now when companies are trying to go meta
@@branlynmorales8951 I mean, Iâm a full stack dev and now Iâm transitioning to a more dev ops role in my company working with gcp. I learn quicker than most people, and my employer kind of took a gamble on me based off how much I was able to teach myself in a few months. From the beginning though, the stuff they were having me do was pretty senior.
TechLead should appear in an episode of Silicon Valley
Cant wait for TechLead to get fired from Hooli so he can introduce himself as the ex-google, ex-facebook ex-Hooli TechLead!
He should replace Jin Yang. And I love Jin Yang
@@fordhebner8001 But but... Hooli is now owned by Pied Piper. So Ex Pied Piper too
That would be awesome...except he should be introduced as "The Tech Lead" when Pied Piper needs an expert coder to fix Middle Out Compression Algorithm.
its still 2019
Went from practical information to a full on philosophical exploration. Good advice for someone who is quite jaded when it comes to the software giants and silicon valley, thanks TechLead!
What he doesn't mention is that getting a job as a software engineer at Google is kind of like getting into Harvard or Stanford.
why?
@@yeetyot9020 g o o g l e
@@anuros1507 i mean, is it to do with qualifications? Or quite literally because g o o g l e
Exactly!! My friends who did their internship at Google didnt manage to get a full time position afterwards, and they were some of the top students in our year at university!
Dmon1Unlimited Thatâs so true! If youâre lucky enough theyâll get to look at your CV.
Yes my friends were very lucky! Thatâs a really good thing to have on their CVs. They both got full time positions with Microsoft later! They were practicing interview questions for 6 months!
I wasnât sure if I wanted to become a software engineer but that was before he mentioned free coffee
I love the conclusion, very inspiring words
Interesting take on salaries and locations. But I've got to say, I LMAO at the "kids just squander it in Vegas" offhand remark.
All I heard was "you can pay your student loans with a 3 month internship."
You forgot about daddy state
â@Sunamer Z I could quite literally pay off my loan with any 3 month internship. I went to community college and did well only have to pay 14k when I graduate. ^_^
@Sunamer Z Good point!! Bravo
also you ever heard of commuting bruh lol
Sunamer Z median household income San Fran is still 100k a year. People who say you âcanât surviveâ there on 150k are drama queens or full of BS. What you really mean is âtry living a comfortable upper middle class life on 150k like you can literally anywhere else in the world.â âTry surviving on 150kâ give me a break dude
Me as an european hearing this salaries: WTF
true in germany senior google devs make about 165k yearly. in the states that would be about 400k yearly. but still costs of living matters too
And dont forget that you can subtract about 45% income taxes + extra social security contributions. And if you want to spend your money, then 19% sales tax.
@@mob1235 Those 45% income taxe + social security.. do you mean in the US or in Europe you pay that much? I know income taxes are high in Europe but thought they were lower in the US or not? How much are taxes in the US?
@@mikev324 I meant Germany.
For example a software engineer earns 80k. That means 40k net. A new house costs about 600k Euros. A medium class car 40k Euros. There is such a big gap in wealth, nobody talks about in media. But the Germans are used to this communism.
@@mikev324 taxes are pretty high in California as well, and you get much less bang for your buck. Saying that, I'd take 400k in SF instead of 165k in Germany any day. In Germany it's much easier to reach the top tax bracket. Effective tax rate ends up being smaller in places like California or Australia.
This was great info because you were so specific with the numbers! This is going to help me negotiate better.
I watch these types of videos daily as a continuous form of motivation as attaining a computer science degree is not easy. Iâve switched majors many times now so thereâs no giving up now, Iâm in too deep. Thank you for this video!
How are you doing now?
What's up
1 year howre u doing?
It's time for your mother to open herself up for me to enter violently
Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life no one goes to The Father except through him.
Only in software engineering: âAt MID CAREER, after 3 or 4 years
Granted it takes alot just to get recognized as a software engineer in the first place at 100k.
At least in germany, before you start as a Software Engineer, you usually do get your Master degree in computer science.. so we are going to the 10 years mark, if you include those years.
@@elvitos Depends which uni. All the professors at mine are people who have either done a crazy amount of research or worked in tech. It is certainly not time wasted, you can see all those "self-taught programmers" do front-end or some other kind of bs web dev. For people who want to work on actual tech, like Data Science, Digital Forensics, Fault-tolerant systems, Cyber Security... you must have at least a bachelors. Also people should stop thinking that the university or even school for that matter is intended to teach you how to live your life or how to work properly. University is for academia and research, if you want to learn how to work on a very specific task with a specific technical stack you go on and work.
I am not trying to change your mind, I am just giving another perspective.
@@elvitos In Romania it is much better. All my computer science profs were also employed at IT companies or owning some companies. So 80% of what we learned was easy to apply during work. Also, they understood that students want to work so around 90% of the students were also working (usually 6h / day). So when I finished my masters degree at 23 years old in Software Engineering I was already having almost 4 years of experience in my field. Also, you can learn programming during high school, usually we learn different algorithms and problems that appear in interviews at Google, Facebook, etc. and university is more oriented at learning how to program in an IT company. Almost nobody will be a researcher, which is a bit of a pity, but for work it is optimal. Happy I studied in Romania, now I work in Germany. :)
@akashic seer dumb
That ending though. Inspirational and inspired existential dread.
I come for the general wisdom on life, relationships and the simple everyday... I know nothing about software engineering, tech etc (I'm a chemist), but really value and appreciate your content. You should do more videos on general life advice, personal growth etc that has nothing whatsoever to do with coding. These seem to be your most popular posts and bring the new subscribers in. Thanks.
hudson701 I agree. Techlead (as a millionaire) is great at musings on life
If you're interested in this type of videos I recommend you check out actualized.org. Preferably starting with the older vidoes because the new ones could freak you out :P
Thanks for including that information at the end. People need to hear it.
I find this video extremely motivating for studying for technical interviews
Love your commentary. Always informative, funny and so easy to listen to. Supreme intellect!
This is the fatherly advice I needed. Iâm only 17 but Iâm so conscious of my future. I donât have a dad and my mum is abusive, an alcoholic and manipulative. I pretty much look after my 3 younger siblings by myself and although I love my siblings I really hope one day I will be able to have a good job and be financially able to help my siblings out. Iâm working 2 jobs at the moment so I can try and save up the money to better my education and start a good career as a software engineer.
Really inspiring to hear. Keep fighting the fight.
Wish all your wishes come true!
my prayers with you strong guy.
I m sure you will make it
Keep pushing buddy. It gets better.
I love this mans videos... too the point and honest..... Thank you
Very profound. Thank you for sharing your insights.
I enjoy and LEARN something new with each of your videos! Keep up the good work!
You should add (as a millionaire). Otherwise it's just doesn't come off as narcissistic.
Now he puts it in every videos lol, thanks to you
He actually did it lmaoo
Is this where it all started??
Great advice in the end đđŒ
Woow! Thanks for this episode!!
This guy speaks wisdom waaaay beyond his years. After about 300-350k/year in the US, you have diminishing returns relative to input effort and lifestyle sacrifice. This is mainly due to taxes as he said of ~50%. Then you buy a 1965-ish house in Si Valley or the Peninsula where your annual property tax is at least $25-30k a year or more (basically paying for a new Honda annually). In the end your lifestyle affordability is the same as someone who makes 250-300k/y. Not worth squandering your life so your grandkids can marry some stranger you don't like who will inherit your house. Sad but true.
most millionaires have more than one stream of income. Coders don't have to only do coding.
@@MigzXP Diversifying your income stream is very important, but for developers the time consumption makes it hard, not saying I havent seen people do so.
wisdom
Very inspiring! Thanks! I've come to similar idea. When you cross a boundary of income and you can afford cars, vacation, entertainment, then "time" becomes most valuable thing. You don't have time to spend that money to get satisfaction and joy from it.
The last part of the video was some of the best advice ever given on this channel.
Itâs all about lifestyle choices. I live in the Midwest. Here, I can make a gigantic impact on the local businesses through quality software consulting. My dad probably made $60k at his peak (definitely averaged closer to $40k) and we lived on 160 acres. Decently close to a world-class university and a nice city, a round trip day drive to 3 different metropolitan areas, etc.
Urbana-Champagne?
Lol doctor after 10-15 years of education: âAm I joke to you?â
Btw there are some jobs out there as an developer that pay $90 an hour. And thats almost equivalent to an doctor.
@@shreejipatel1426 And you can do that in your 20s. Earning that money earlier in life than a doctor makes it worth more, as it has longer to grow
Doctors earn way more than engineers.
@@d4nkx549 yeah but the debt, I say when doctors hit 40 they will be way richer
@@corgi3339 i agree
8:42 hearing that warms my heart, especially after I couldn't get O-1, EB-1 and H1-B visas to move to Silicon Valley to work on FAANG companies... Instead, I'm still working remotely in a small cool startups, paying low taxes (6%) and traveling the world đ
Awesome content! Thank you.
this. was. amazing. thank you!
Just started programming 4 months ago and I have been consistent and doing very good but in these couple of weeks I had lost motivation but after watching this I feel like I can do it. Thanks for the your motivating words!!
What did you start off with?
It becomes an enjoyable passion when you can do it without thinking about what you're doing đ
How are you keeping up?
I guess you donât love it if you stop doing it only few months
Cause you're doing it for money that's not your passion
Joining a valley company is the best decision I made in my life. Part of this is thanks to Techlead for providing amazing tips for interviewing. Thank you for your work, you are the mentor we need.
Do you have a degree? What university did you go to?
how many conservatives have you banned?
@@charlesbukowski9836 hopefully a lot
@@charlesbukowski9836 probably a lot by now đ
@@zenndez4050 better not be allowed to have an opinion lol
Great video!! Love the info and the perspective on lifestyle
Thanks for the honesty Techlead. I just subscribed and I smashed the like button đ
That's some great advice man! both about applying to good-paying jobs and about choosing for a healthy lifestyle. And you're right, I thought software engineers made about 80-100k so I was shocked to hear what those companies pay but then, they're the big dogs. Anyways, good video man, thanks
Youâre right. The typical companies pay out between 65k - 185k. Heâs only talking about the FAANG companies.
I really like what you said about the mid level software devs and being independent on their tasks. I have a comp sci degree with about 2 years of java professional experience, that's the level I want to operate on. Respect to you for making it this far in your career.
this video was super insightful
Got fired up again.. thanks techlead
This is one of the best video that âTech Leadâ made đ
Some profound knowledge by the techlead...
Great life advice. Respect
Watched this video at the right time. Very informative and useful, thanks! Now I can make a better choice
How to hire the TechLead: *FREE COFFEE.*
LMAO
We have free coffee at our company, but it's horrible, lol
it's true, i won't work at a company with garbage coffee. i want lifestyle.
I heard TechLead has a personal Starbucks barista who delivers his coffee, as needed!
@@TechLead Do you go to kitchen during the interview to test it?
Facts and wise advice. Thoughtful!
Interesting perspective. Thank you for sharing
loved the video . thank you.
I love your videos and just signed up for AlgoPro!! I'm excited to learn more about data structures and algorithms from you and Joma!! Thanks for all of your hard work!
Haha love your videos Techlead. Brutal honesty dripping with humour and sarcasm. What's not to love :)
Love your style of informative humour
Good advice man. This is the best video i've seen by you.
Wow. my sister told me about software engineering just yesterday and I kinda already wanted to be one when i grow up, but now hearing these salaries, I'm extra encouraged to be one!
You still trying to do it?
@@roadkilledpigeon lmao yeah
@@3lvin nice, keep at it.
I'm currently in a pretty early learning stage rn myself
@@roadkilledpigeon yeah same lol, had my first computer science class last year 10th grade, taking 2 these year, Iâm really excited and really enjoyed them
That's a lot more than I thought. I'm in the 60K range, but I'm SQA. Looking to get into Software Engineering or Systems Analyst.
Exactly the same here, mind if I ask your progress of your plan? Iâm taking classes online right now after work.. and trying some projects
He's clearly mentioning top tier of SE, that's maybe 5% of the total work force. Average SE salary in the US is somewhere close to 100k. Most conversations on SE salaries end up using these inflated numbers. When in fact the median SE salaries are closer to what you'd expect for any engineering/business related job. The fact is that very few people have the energy / opportunities to get these roles.
@@AH-zz6sc yup only FAANG's pay that much, outside that 200k is a good amount.
awesome insight and impactful advice, really gave a lot to consider
Love the ending meant more to me than the whole video and the video was informational.
"Remember to enjoy that journey..." Man, that part really hit home.
Haven't you heard that a hundred times already?
Bullshit.......not every one can enjoy everything they do.....if my borther didn't enjoy his life too much in high school he would have a better paying job now.... also he wouldn't have a kid without marriage!!!!
@@minoriruba1828 haha, lol
@@minoriruba1828 Exactly. "Remember to enjoy the journey...(the journey across hell)." Can be interpreted both ways đ
baby turtle yea but still companies will choose a guy from uc Berkeley over a foreigner.
The advice here is priceless. Thank you Techlead
I just wanna say thank you for the advice im really looking forward to this new journey ill begin soon.
Thank you for this video! đ
I came across you accidentally and while I donât have a software engineering background, I had similar journey with the hardware gaints, ex-Hitachi, ex-Rioch, ex-Epson, ex-Samsung in head of product management.
Just wan to say aside from the rather humorous delivery of content, that last line around chasing money in corporates never ends...and you only live once, so do what you can for financial freedom, not just chase to end your mortgage!
#sidehussle is so important!
Dude, you're such a mixed bag. I find your usual style cringey, but every now and then you come up with a genuine gem of wisdom like the one you came up with at the end of this video. Good job.
Wow nice information, thanks much appreciated.
Thanks for the video. Puts things in perspective for a person beginning in the field.
The last advice literally changed my view toward my career . I'm no more a greedy . Thanks a lot Sir for sharing your personal views . đ·đ·
Thatâs so true! Geography and the company matters so much. Here in Australia there are companies that pay $50K AUD for junior software engineers! But better companies pay more, like Atlassian pays about $85K AUD to grad software engineers!
The higher paying ones have many more interview sessions of course and are a lot harder to get into.
love this content !
Great information !!!
it would be nice if you teach us more technical stuff, like programming paradigms and patterns.
I love your videos. I'm really considering moving from IT to Software engineering. I have always been interested in coding, and since I've been watching your videos I'm really inspired to make the switch. I'm gonna sign up for your course. Thank you for everything you do sir!
Why are you in IT to begin with? Probably because your IQ is too low.
migkillerphantom wtf is wrong with you
@@migkillerphantom superiority problems đ
lol, very analytical at the end, and well explained loved it.
Amazing video, thank you
slid in a jab when no one was watching "corrupt companies like Facebook" đđ loved it! Some solid advice Techlead, indeed enjoy the journey, and have a plan for the future. Almost no one stays in those companies until they are 50 or 60, let alone retirement. Start your own business, your own niche Saas company is a great lifestyle option as well, besides you are not capped by the salary market and can work from anywhere.
Those companies havenât been around long enough for people to stay that long though butbyeah
Very informative, thank you so much, tech lead! Can you also talk about the average and maximum hours of work per week for software engineers?
I really enjoy your channel!
always, your contents give us some motivation,interesting of IT
I really can't predict if I will have a good laugh or a good lesson from your vids đ
I once clicked on one of his vids hoping to learn something, but instead got a great amount of laughs. But this video was the opposite, I came here looking for a comedic relief, but instead got a great life lesson.
Awesome content TechLead đ„đ„
"...maybe Microsoft" đđđ
That hurt lol
It is true.
Thanks for your precious advise
Motivation video for porgrammers. Thanks bro!
Finally back to real non troll good quality content. Thanks for the video
honestly seemed no one could take a joke
Since u mentioned similar lifestyle I m reminded of the ooglers living in unheated RVs vs ooglers in nice homes n good school districts. The divide even within the company of swes is quite high. For the RV dweller it is difficult to start a relationship
Great advice right here :)
Sage advice from the TechLead.
After all this free perks the "Free Coffee" got me.
You are so damn genius, a lot of respects: my host, ex-google, ex-facebook, tech-lead!
Thank you so much for this information
Thanx u really helped đ
Hmm. 2 years experience as a developer in a small town, and I only make 65k. I might consider trying out a FANG. I used to think 100k is not that different from 65k if you consider the high living expenses in the big cities. But 200k+ is huge.
Also loved the last part about how most people at these companies live almost the same lifestyle.
They donât though. Thatâs just what people see. The top paid developers bang supermodel looking high end escorts a few nights a week in their penthouse apartments.
@@ThomasFoolery8 Maybe if you are FANG VP+ or crypto-rich. Don't really see that behavior with developers.
What a great video!
Very informative, thx
It's very worth mentioning the fact that the cost of living in the higher salary regions you mentioned is also considerably higher.
L6 and that was his side hustle...and I'm sitting here trying to remember how to reverse a string.
Its a joke
use built in fucntion. string.reverse()
@@alisheheryar1770 thats one of if not the slowest way to do it if you going for fastest time which most companies look for
@@BREZINA542 well you can implement a C program to reverse it. It would be a bit faster than a python function. If those mili seconds are not actually worth saving, go for a builtin func.
Very Inspiring Tech
The thing with lifestyle at the end was really good advice thank you
âEven today I continue to chase it....â đŻ
All jokes aside, this is actually great advice. Iâm going through a career pivot atm and this is stuff I need to hear.
Beautiful breakdown
Solid as always.