A Giant Bikes FAIL (about the Propel Advanced One)
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The Giant Propel Advanced One Disc is a great bike, but it's lacking something. A small upgrade to make this bike a lot better. Something that I feel is an oversight because the Propel became a much better bike with it. I will be discussing this oversight in detail in this video.
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The bike fitter you found is my favorite to take advice from…I worked at a shop for 17 years and would beg to go to bicycle fitting school to learn all I could for the craft. I was blown off by the owners as they felt it was “smoke and mirrors”. I’ve been out of the shop for a decade now but still cycle regularly and have change my position just because of the guy you found (not proud right now I can recall his name!😂). I’ve never felt better in the bike in my 16 years of road cycling. So I guess I’m trying to say….thank you! Thank you to all of the cycling you tubers trying to bring content to the cycling community!
Thanks for sharing John! Neill Stanbury is his name! We're stilling making videos together here: czcams.com/channels/eW11HsUiXwnRbPqNlh6fHw.html
😆😆😆😆😆 Giant HQ convo… 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣… I’m in tears… 😭😭😭😭😂😂😂😂
haha, cheers mate.
It was Brilliant! Please do more Cam
No worries mate ! I would not say your quality is lacking.Quality over quantity always better though.You are probably your worst critic. Agree with you any bike brand should not have crap tyres on an expensive bike. Good wheels and tyres transform even a budget bike.
Same as most I ditched the Giant tyres off my Propel SL before even riding it
Interesting to hear user feedback, thanks for sharing on the thread Greg!
Yeap, heavy and don't have any grip at all. Vittoria or continental for me
@@LucaBonato try Pirelli P Zeros, brilliant, they were a revelation to me (I also use Vit Corsas / Conti GPs and Veloflex on other bikes but the P Zeros top them all)
I just bought a Factor One that shipped with Goodyear Eagle F1 tires. I got two flats in 400 miles. Swapped over to GP5000 and couldn't be happier. Tires are so important. It's a shame bike companies get them wrong.
I have used Continental and Vittoria tires for four years, gp5000, grand sport, rubino pro, etc. I only changed the gavia ac1 recently. I feel that the gavia ac1 feels heavier when riding, and its performance may be worse. But maybe because it is a tubeless tyre, its comfort is so good, I even prefer gavia ac1 now.
It’s amazing how much difference a decent set of tyres can make.
Great video Cam, don’t be stressing about content, I’ve been watching yer vids for a few months and enjoyed them all. If a viewer isn’t enjoying a particular one they can stop watching? Just be you, doing your thing, that’s what people should enjoy. Keep up the good work, Jay U.K. 👍🏻
Oh Cam, I had to lough so hard so often this time. Well done. And about your reflection: I think you are doing a great job keeping us entertained with bike related and personal stuff. It's always a good Friday watching your content. The GIANT HQ was just the cherry on top. See ya
Cheers Chrissi 👍
I like watching anything you put out. It makes you feel more real and relatable to the everyday person.
I've never seen a video of yours Cam that I haven't thoroughly enjoyed. You've hit on quality AND quantity, so don't go changing too much!
Cheers Tom, appreciate that mate.
I also had a similar experience with my 2021 Giant TCR. Within a week of riding I had a puncture that didn't seal on the stock Cadex Race tires that it came with. I swapped to a more "durable" tire, the Gavia AC1 and the tire blew a hole in the sidewall when i went over a small bump. I hate how besides the crappy giant tires, only the SCHWALBE PRO ONE TLE are approved for Giant tubeless system... not much options to choose.
Anyways love your content! Keep it up. As a small youtuber, I also have trouble getting bikes to review from bike shops. Its honestly so difficult sometimes.
I appreciate getting the Friday vlog series on Thursday. #InternationalDateLine. Love it! 😂
hahaha, I am in the future Clark!
Very nice Cam. Thank you for your sharing and honesty. Really enjoy your content. Keep it up. 👍🏻
What I find special about your videos is that you are really putting your heart and soul in them. I love how you balance cycling topics and parts of your personal life. It makes your videos very informative, enjoyable and intimate at the same time. Great work!
Cheers mate 👍
You are awesome dude! Don't worry about always getting out the Friday series! I agree - quality is worth it!
Love your videos, specially with how much total time you put into combining all the videos you shoot and compile them into the final one.
Cheers 👍
I am not enthused about tubeless for road. I'll stick with tubes for now and Continental GP 5000 tires.
One thing tubeless has done for me is no walking. Plus it's the rainy season here and swapping tubes in a straight downpour is not fun. I've also ridden home with objects stuck in the tire that would have destroyed a tubed tyre. BTW, the tyre that had the object stuck in it was a Conti 5K TL.
@@jamesmckenzie3532 Glad it works for you!
@@jcsrst I see GB tri athlete just won silver at the Olympics, she punctured, basically threw away her chance at gold by not running tubeless, I don't know why athletes leave something so basic to chance, 5 years running road tubeless without having to stop on the side of the road and mess with tubes has convinced me.
Fully agree, I have a TCR, after 2 months and 3 punctures changed the tires to Continental, what a change!
Thanks for sharing on the thread Braim
Now I think about that too😉
If you have hookless rims watch out, continental says you can't use there tyres on hookless. Its a shame because i love these tyres too but love my new pirelli p zero race tlr also on my giant slr1 wheels.
Tobad the 24/26mm are not hookless compatible only the wider sizes. I am running the cadex 25mm so far no punctures.
@@Kansloos Cadex tyres are the best giant have. But if you have place enough in your frame to use wider tyres u should ttry it ones. More comfort and proven less rolling risistance. In the old days i also used 23mm on belgian roads, not recommented i would say now.
Love your honesty mate - keep it up! Propel rider on Pro Ones smashing my local strava segments - treat the 25mm like 28s (pressure wise due to the wider inner rim) and you may see even better timings on real world tarmac.
Your standards are above par Cam, what you consider unsatisfying content from your perspective is already up there with the most fun yet (very) informative content available here on YT.
I commend you even more for having the lucidity to identify areas of improvement where some (most, sadly) would just shrug it off out of misplaced pride or whatever only to realise way too late their channel has long gone down a filthy drain. Your dedication to quality is admirable, as is your commitment to actually read and then truly take in consideration remarks from your audience. Can't wait to see what you put out next, cause this is already really enjoyable.
Thank you Iauig, appreciate the kind words 👍
Hilarious Cam. The cameo’s are getting wild. Haha.
Great video. I’m loving the content that I’ve seen so far on your channel. Keep it up!
Cheers Joel.
continental gp5000 is the best price / performance tires, change my mind.
Continue have always been great to me. But at least where I live they are pretty expensive. Having said that way less punctures (none?) and a smooth ride. Hard to disagree with their longevity which will bring the cost down!
Other than clearance gp4000's
After reading reviews I took the plunge on some GP5000’s and they are great, very impressed. The Maxxis tyres that came with the bike are puncture prone rubbish. I have had pretty good luck with the Giant tubes fwiw.
Updated my Gavias to Cont GP5000 tubeless. Night and day, so glad I did.
Continental grand sport or ultrasport, they feel almost the same as gp5000 when riding, but they are much cheaper.
You're a great man. Do your thing and we will always be there to support.
Cheers Walker.
Enjoying the videos mate. Be proud as everyone gets better and better even when experimenting with new stuff!
Cheers Hamish
First of all, I really appreciate your content. You bring up very good topics, be it bike fitting with Neill, bike building and testing. I also like the little insights into your family life.
Now back to business: I switched to Continental tires in the 80's, and did not have a puncture since. The ride quality and grip in all weather conditions is perfect.
With my TCR came the Gavia Course 1. They feel a bit sluggish, but grip until now is good.
It was a bit of a struggle to get Continental 5000 TL tires, but now they are ready in case I need them.
Cheers Tom, appreciate that mate. And thanks for the support 👍
my 2021 TCR came with Giants Course 1 tyres and they have been probably the best tubeless tyre I have had so far! Either way great video Cam
My experience with Giant Gavia tires is that they are usually heavier and less fast than other tires, but their endurance seems to be pretty good. The roads around me are pretty poor currently and I found that my Schwalbe didn't fair too well whereas the Gavia has done pretty well. You can also get them pretty cheap online from people upgrading which helps
I'm currently running the Gavia as they were the only reasonable tubeless tires I could get a few weeks back (thanks to COVID bike shortage)
I haven't encountered a single video without a value on your channel, so please keep up doing the man's job Cam! Heaps of great stuff you have put out there so far. Greetings from NYC. Cheers!
Cheers Lukas
You weren’t lying!!!!!!! Bought a 2021 Giant TCR came with tubeless Gavia Tires. First time using tubeless, kept getting slow leaks, felt slow. Eventually i bought a pair of Pro One Tubeless but I’m like let me just wear the Gavia’s out. Saw your video this morning in Chicago, swapped em out. Huge difference. Immediately felt the change in rolling resistance. Thanks Cam.
I was blown away by the difference good, low rolling resistance tyres make for the overall feel, speed, and comfort of the bike. Personally, I prefer the Continental 5000s (220 g for a 25mm tyre, never had a puncture), I have friends who prefer the Vittorias or the P Zeros - they are all in the same ball park in terms of performance. There is a reason why one of the easiest and most noticeable upgrades one can make to their bike is swapping the tyres for some of the high-end ones. But it is so disappointing to see a bike that costs many thousands of dollars come with rubbish tyres...
My favorite video of yours! Love the comedic production.
Cheers Mark
Love the channel Cam. Keep up the good work.
Here is an idea for a video: How big a difference do you see on your favourite climb at lower power levels? Do the time differences between bikes become larger at 300w, 250w or 200w? I for one would never be able to ride that duration at 350w.
I tend to binge watch your content so bringing it out regularly on a Friday is not a big deal for me. On the tire thing, while you say you're not a big tire nerd, its obvious that there is a difference between the best and the rest. My preference is for bulletproof vs outright speed. As with cars, this is a thing that can quite literally transform a bike.
My base model ultimate disc came with gp 5ks. That's probably why I can't be bothered to upgrade the wheels. They roll pretty darn well as is. Good work as always. You are way more likable, and your content more enjoyable and educational than a certain other Aussie who I will not name here😉. Take your time.
Been following the channel for a long time Cam and I absolutely always love the content. Keep up the good work my dude!! Always look forward to your vids!
Cheers Ethan, appreciate the support too!
Helpful, thanks!
I had the same thing happen (in the exact same spot on the sidewall) to a Cadex tyre that came with a new 2020 TCR Advanced Pro a couple of months after purchase. It just blew out one evening as the bike was sitting in the spare room. The new Cadex was $119 and, to be fair, has been fine for the past 6 months. Have just bought some new Schwable Pro Ones so will be interested to compare. Appreciate your outstanding ongoing content Cam. Thanks.
Cheers Dean and thanks for sharing on the thread
After watching this video, clicked into Facebook and instantly saw a Giant Advertisement
Classic Zuckerberg
haha, they're everywhere!
Love giant bikes since my first road bike was a giant. Interesting to hear your thoughts on this video and how much difference a change in tyre made to the performance. Keep up the good work!
Hi Cam, Hope all is well up on the sunny coast😎.
No matter what I still love the content and honesty.
You are making me envious though with that 2021 Merida Reacto 6000👍.
I made an enquiry recently and was told that no stock would be arriving until Dec TY☹️
Cheers Bony and wow! end of Dec, that is crazy
As others have said, don't change too much. Love the light hearted style of the Friday vlog. Today's was fantastic. Really interesting stuff regarding tyres. It's interesting that 3 seconds feels so much faster and better. It's obvious why Giant put cheap tyres on though - $$$$
Cam, pro audio engineer here and just a quick tip - you can pull the Procaster about 2 feet or so away from your mouth to prevent that massive low mid build up and make your voice sound more natural. Great mic but it needs some distance
Great content btw
Great tip mate, I appreciate it. I seem to have a problem with my connecting audio interface then as it's almost all the way up, volume wise, yet it's still not peaking. So if i'm too far away the audio levels are super low. Thoughts?
@@CamNicholls dynamic mics are indeed very power hungry so you're smack on your observation there. It's just the nature of these broadcast mics
If your audio interface can't provide enough juice, consider getting a FetHead or a Cloudlifter
It should be said that modern interfaces like the budget Behringer 204HD or Motu M2 can provide good clean gain to it
PS your bike fit videos convinced me to get dedicated cycling shoes, Cam. My wallet can't keep up sustaining audio AND cycling
Cheers from the Philippines
Definitely see the improvements of your video quality. Love funny role play.
Cheers mate
Man, That Giant phone call segment was golden. Cheers for the chuckle d*head.
Loved this video, top work Cam
Had the gavia tires on my defy advanced pro0. Tore the shit out of the rear tire on a rough decent. GP5000 are the goods.
i love the short scetches in youre videos. You have a nack for timing and feal for humor
I love good rubber, ever since I shod GP4000s’ 10+ years ago I became a convert to performance tyres. No need to change anything about your channel Cam, you’re true to your core values, and that works here.
the stale banana on the donut cracked me up haha
First thing I did when I got my TCR is pitch the giant tires and put on some GP5000. I have a feeling it was accounting decision, 100,000 bikes x 2 tires and some decent profit margins, it was probably an easy sell to senior management.
Thanks for sharing on the thread David and yes - that would most definitely be the reason! Cheers, Cam
likewise! I bought a 2018 TCR Advanced 1 and wasn’t impressed with the stock 25mm Gavia tyres. Felt a bit sluggish and had poor grip in damp conditions. Swapped to 28mm Schwalbe Pro Ones and the bike felt totally different - faster and more cushioned. The Schwalbes seemed to wear quickly though and I had 2 unsealable gashes within 2-3000km and some delamination of the top layer. I’ve now moved to Conti GP5000 TL, which are good, but won’t work on the 2021 Giant TCR.
Nice idea but a bit backwards . Tyres are a personal choice . If they fitted Gp400 tyres to every bike it would cost millions , how many of which would get taken off and binned ? Because it is such a personal choice giant decided to just put on their own tyre that will be replaced and kept as a backup tyre or used until worn out .
Saving money on parts that will be worn out relatively quickly after purchase mean more money spent else where . Cheaper OEM tyres is not about profit , its about not wasting money .
I have the 2021 TCR and have had so many issues with the giant tyres. But on the website it says that Giant doesn't recommend using other brands... Does anyone know if this is true or not?
^on the SLR1 GIANT WHEELS.
its amazing the difference between tyres. i had 32mm gators with tubes on my Belgie. great for touring but struggled to cruise above 35kph. converted it to tubeless conti 5000's and OMG very very noticable difference in speed.
I can confirm - the Gavia tires on my Propel aren’t great - need to upgrade to Schwalbe tires soon 👍🏻
With the Gavias on my defy, my frame was always sprayed with sealant, changed to Contis not had one hole ever!
I have a TCR Disc with the Gavia ac1s, I don’t have a issue with them as I can’t compare them to anything else. I bought my TCR back in August 2020, and have since put about 3200 miles on that bike with the stock tires. Ill be looking into tires next season, probably the GP 5000 or the Shwalbe Pro. Also I feel its a waste to immediately get new tires to replace the stock Gavias, if you’re just a recreational rider. Just put the miles on the tires and replace them in about 3000 miles. They are decent tires that will get the job done until you’re ready for an upgrade down the line. Thanks for listening to my Ted Talk!
I love your videos! The first one i saw was the China Winspace frame
Rode the Giant tyres on my Propel until they were cooked with about 3k on them. Then swapped them for some Continental 5000 and thought I was riding a different bike. Felt better on the road, faster, more compliant and smoother through corners and particularly on the down hills at speed. Turns out it was not just me. Thanks for the video. Keep up the great work.
Switched my Gavias out for a set of Conti GP 5000s. Such a difference.
I´ve bought a Propel 2020 and yes it came with these Giant Gavia something tires.. before even riding the bike I switched to GP 5000..
LOL funny one. Cheers mate.
Oh man this channel was on very good level, but those funny bits just make it awesome hah!
LOL on that giant HQ scene + that tire connoisseur guy
playful content! keep it up man love the energy!
Cheers Leo
I own the Giant TCR Advanced Pro 1 (2021) I still have the Gavia Fondo tyres on it (shop stuffed up!). I didn't think the GP5000's were compatible with hookless rims? I bought the Shwalbe One TLE's with the gumwalls for the Summer. Looking forward to seeing if I notice a change!
I just got the TCR Advanced Pro Team (I think it is the same bike but with a different color and for the european market?) and the Gavia Course 1 tires do feel somehow slow after riding GP5000's with latex tubes in my other bike. The hookless system is frustrating with the "compatibility charts" and the decision from Continental to not recommend using their tires in the hookless system.
I am looking to fit some Pirellis or Schwalbe pro ones later in the year to see if there is a difference.
Awesome channel. Keep up the great content n
Your content is amazing!
Cheers mate, much appreciated.
Good idea to quickly upgrade the outer tires instead of keeping the original ones. Even for budget bikes. Continental & Scwhalbe are some of the good ones. Stay safe Cam & ride on...
I love your honesty and self directed humour, absolute classic.
Cheers mate
Cam you should put up a poll ranking the type of content they enjoy. I enjoy Technical training, solving problems with bike/accessories, also the behind the scenes clip with fam.
It’s a good idea Rick, although the analytics have kinda already told me. It’s all centred around buying, testing, tweaking, fixing, reviewing new bikes! My training based content is now all on the RCA channel. 👍
Cam i can't stress enough how much i find your videos helpfu and entertaining, especially all your other "personalities" 🤣🤣🤣
Cheers mate
RIght on Cam! Love the humor in part 1 and honesty in part 2. I'm all for quality of quantity too! Keep up the good work.
LMAO That camp character spazzing out about tyres! Ohhhh my!
Character? I thought that was a special guest appearance by Chris Miller.
Great video Cam, one of your best, funny :-)
Cheers Dave
Quality is through the roof as usual Cam, actually laughed out loud on the bus at the GiantHQ and stale banana bits. “PERFECT” 😂
Cheers Sean
Great honest review on the giant propel mate! I just bought one, really appreciate your review, cheers 👍🚴
Nice one Mitchell, enjoy
Much love from Philippines!
Thanks from Cork Cam
Great video Cam. I sold the wheels that came with the bike to a friend who had exactly the same issue with the tyres. A massive split in the side wall. Why they don't just put GP5000 on I have no idea.
I changed the Gavia’s on my TCR before I even rode them. Once I saw the weight I immediately wanted to change them. Did the Pro one’s as they fit on the hookless wheels.
Freakin awesome video mate!!! Best one to date.
Cheers Ed.
I found the Gavia tyres very good on my TCR. They rolled easily and had good grip in wet or dry and I would have stayed with them tbh. But then, one day I thought it was time to renew the goop in the tyres. I could NOT get them to re-air.........even with a compressor and the valve out. I tried every trick I've used in my life without success ie. spraying soapy water on beads, goop on beads, etc, etc. Gave up in the end. On Pirelli 28mm's now.
5:15 Amazing you can feel a 1.5 - 2% difference in time. Looking at it another way the Gavia tires weigh 20% more than the Schwalbe yet the time penalty (3-4s) is negigible.
Cam, don't second guess yourself mate! I don't think I have ever seen any crap content on your channel. TBH, I don't think there is any other everyday bloke on CZcams that I can think of who is doing as much as you are to source, review and compare real bikes and components that us, the people, are actually interested in! Love your laid back style, love old mate, love the little cut scenes to "Giant HQ". Keep doing what you are doing mate! I'll keep coming back!
Cheers mate 👍👍
I reckon you are on a winner with those cameo performances 👍, the “industry” needs them 😂
Haha cheers mate
Wow.. first video Im watching from this channel.. interesting and entertaining at the same time.. I loved it bro
Cheers Rahul 👍
Moved from S-works turbo to Continental gp 5000 to Schwalbe pro one, fast, grippy, comfy and maybe a bit less durable.
I think you’ve been done! I got the cadex tyres as standard and really like them
Hahahham that Giant HQ part. Hahahah. It is always funny to bring some joke in between. Where is that other guy with the crocodile Dundee hat (actually yourself) who is always complaining when he's watching your videos? 😂.
Keep your content the way you feel is the best way to do it. I'll be watching them anyways. Lol. Greetings from Curaçao 🇨🇼. All the way from the other part of the world. 💪🏽
Hahaha Old Mate / crocodile man will be back soon. Cheers mate, appreciate the support
Had a pair of those Gavia Zeros on my Giant. Riding down the bike path in Kent Street, Sydney, I hit a bit of construction crap that didn't hit the tyre right on the crown. Sealant shit went everywhere, none of which blocked the cut. Fortunately, Giant Sydney were about a block away. They tried to inject more sealant, but that just blew out again and all over the workshop. Bought Pirellis and a couple of tubes and haven't looked back
Interesting to hear Paolo, thanks for sharing on the thread
I noticed that some brands put crap parts on a great frame when buying the med level bike from their range. Examples ;300 gram seat post, 350 gram handlebars,thru axles,quick releases 150 grams,200 gram stem, 300 gram saddle, and Your example tires. Grand total saving possible to high end parts 500 grams or 1.2 lbs. MY Canyon ultimate cs lsx disc weights 7.25 KG with pedals and cages 65 mm deep wheel set. My friends Giant defy disc weights 9.3kg because of things like handle bars etc.
Mate...re the weekly Friday vlog. You do you but I've enjoyed the regularity and appreciated the effort for content this causes. Either way keep it coming and I expect more guest appearances from HQ, gold
Haha, cheers mate
YES! Bought my TCR Adv 2 yrs ago and the tyres didn’t last plus failed two weekends back to back. When I went back to the Giant store here in Singapore they were a little embarrassed to say they were the ‘bundled’ tyres. Not very good. I stuck with them but upgraded to their better tyre. Lasted longer. 6 months ago I went to the Schwalbe Pro One. Feel better on the road and even better puncture protection with a thumbtack that sealed with the sealant. Giants (even the better ones) didn’t seal this well.
Interesting to hear Glen. Thanks for sharing on the thread 👍
Honest and sincere review
IMHO the more you get into cycling the more you gravitate towards your own frame up build - unless you have the saving of recycling components from an earlier bike then off-the-shelve looks cheaper but invariably you need to change out the config - cassette range, rear derailleur length, crank length, crank rings, saddle, handlebar width, wheelset (depth, tyre) are so often not what you would (or should according to Neill for you Cam) choose.
Unfortunately the state of the market has really dampened the joys of build it yourself. With out of stock parts and crazy pricing, there's a good argument to buy a complete bike right now.
I actually found the only for me to buy a bike was to do a complete build. Managed to get a complete ultegra di2 set up and all other components within 2 months. Got a 10k bike for about 6k
I’ll wait for your next fab content Cam then !
cheers
Just about to pick one up when they get some stock back in!
Nice, great bike!
I have a 2020 GIANT PROPEL Advanced Pro 0, the Gavia tyres gave me big fright letting go whilst leaned over going through a fast corner within first few weeks of ownership then one of them suffered a large puncture only just able to limp home with repeated filling of tire with CO2 and sealant spewing out every where, Giant external road patch of no use just fell off. Have changed to continental GP 5000TL and couldn’t be happier excellent grip good feel and one puncture which it coped with quite well . Highly recommend the Continental GP5000TL
Interesting to hear Jon, thanks for sharing on the thread
I’m very iffy on giant after my recent issue with a gravel bike I purchased from them. 2021 giant revolt advanced. The crankset they put in it “praxis” was incompatible with the grx group. I heard they did this because they couldn’t get grx cranks due to availability. The frame of this bike also had an issue and the rear disc mount area where the brake would not mount properly which resulted in disc rub no matter what u did. The frame also cracked within 2 months on the seat tube!
Interesting to hear Troy, thanks for sharing on the thread
Love the content Cam, I’m interested to see what you think of the Merida Reacto 6000. I was so close to buying it but found a TCR Advance Pro at a great price instead.
Cheers Rob, coming 👍
my 2017 propel also came with crap tyres . but those were light 23s .
Part 1: Giant tyres have always been disposable. The parody of the Tyre Boffin was on-point. Part 2: No matter the subject matter of the Friday vlog series, have been always curious if you exceed the Two Parts to a video. Thanks Cam.
Cheers Andy