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Impossible Piano Music on a Disklavier
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- čas přidán 20. 03. 2019
- In which I explore black midi techniques on a 25000 EUR Yamaha Enspire Disklavier grand piano, hardly breaking it all in the process.
I was invited to join a motley crew of CZcams synth people at Thomann Synth Reactor last week. My interest in sitting down in a studio and being shown synths by a company demo guy was non-existent, so I scrolled through the Thomann catalog for inspiration. I came upon this Yahama Disklavier (and the Neumann binaural head, see my soul mate Look Mum No Computer's video: • MUSIC SHOP MEGA DRONE ... ).
Disklavier is Yamaha's player piano which gets more and more elaborate with every release. I have been wanting to work with one for close to 20 years, when I first became aware of them. Later it was works by Aphex Twin and Conlon Nancarrow that made me desire it even more. Then came along black MIDI, and as part of my process is testing everything to its limits and beyond, I decided to try out a mixture of serial composition and black MIDI on the poor piano. My sequencer of choice was Numerology, as I find it the most inspiring interface to compose experimental music on in a DAW.
Thomann provided travel, accomodation, and not enough beer, but no money and had no say in what I was going to do there. Decent deal for scratching two items off my bucket list.
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Here's some things you should know about the Disklavier.
The grand pianos will have much better repetition. Thing is, you have to put NOTE GAPS BETWEEN NOTES SO THE ACTION CAN RESET. You can get ridiculously good repetition from a Disklavier as long as the keys can return to the rest position before another note is struck.
The Disklavier has a maximum note polyphony. This is the max number of notes that can be depressed at the same time. Disklavier Pros have 32 note polyphony, normal systems have 15 note polyphony so you have to consider that.
Another thing is that the processor in the Disklavier has a delay function for adding a delay of 500 milliseconds. This allows the piano ample time to put in gaps on it's own and make sure notes are not too short for the piano to strike them fully. It also makes sure that soft notes will not hit up to 300 milliseconds after hard notes because soft notes need slow key depression.
Yamaha needs to give this man his own disklavier.
They need to make the Hainbach Signature model, designed for speed and with better cooling system, and special interfaces.
He'll need a subscription of them...
A strong water cooling system and a much larger PSU could maybe handle this. And the midi controller will need an optimized software xD
And with a special All Notes On CC.
@@RCAvhstape water cooled piano heck yeah
I'm becoming more and more convinced that you are Aphex Twin's twin
6:02
Restarting a piano.
What a time to be alive.
Well, I could have played fine with my hands. But THIS IS THE FUTURE.
@@Hainbach Huh, just like how it sounds.
It's like a piano from an episode of Futurama.
@@Hainbach Well, automatic pianos exist since 120 years or so and the things you did, could be done this way.
At least, it was a kind of computer in 19th century's technology.
@@robfriedrich2822 Hey Rob, I am intereted in this. Could you give me more info, please?
What a great experiment! Serendipity at its best. Love the ending where you get a wave of keys.
Related story - about 20 years ago I recorded in an old BBC studio in Bristol. They had one of these setup in the middle of a huge live room with midi connected to the control room way up in the gods.
The building was quite old and creepy and had lots of old props from BBC dramas that added to the weirdness.
The sound engineer enjoyed playing a couple of notes from the control room when a poor cleaner was in the live room by themselves. Haha.
I can't imagine how much fun it must be to play these in a good room. Even if only to scare people.
I couldn't wait until you hit the sustain pedal.
It's fascinating to hear how the notes start blending together into a texture. Somehow this reminded me of Philip Glass.
Or Steve Reich!
I can't wait until you record this to tape and slow it down! I bet that would sound amazing
You discovered my master plan!
I have not seen prepared piano & black midi paired before. This is an interesting concept.
"a dream come true for me" as piano string smoke dissipates around your head hahahaha
Clearly the next step is a MIDI splitter and a round-robin plugin to split faster notes to multiple pianos over multiple channels ;)
If they had more I would have screamed in joy! This was the only one. I would love to visit Yamaha for a week and work on a three piano piece. I only had three hours for this so I could only catch snippets and ideas for later processing and sharing on Patreon.
HAINBACH visit my store in Texas. We have multiple disklaviers! I’d gladly help you in any experiments you have
@@Hainbach please take up darude90's offer and link the video!
Seeing the coins and drill bits on the strings was more horrifying than any horror movie
He’s actually controlling the ghost, who in turn plays the piano.
I would guess that it uses solenoids.
quite a lot of parts of this remind of Steve Reich, super cool stuff sir!
When it stays in those narrow ranges, you're right! I was expecting something a bit more Conlon Nancarrow, but this works!
I was just gonna say that as well.
You beat me to it, was just about to post same comment
i agree with this hard
I love you and your work so much, you are the most joyful youtuber! So sincere and happy when things do crazy, unexpected stuff. Never stop, please.
Thank you! CZcams is my sandbox now, especially since I made good friends with a few like-minded artists over the weekend.
You're a such a complete lovable and talented madman, in every possible positive way, a real inspiration!
I service Yamaha Disklaviers so as you may guess, I’m not impressed with this abuse. It does have temp sensors to monitor the solenoids for heat. It should shut down to prevent damage. However, not great for the action. It has a calibration routine that sounds kinda like some of this. It plays all the notes using different scales and measures the response of the action in relation to the energy sent. It will create a table in memory to compensate for variations in the action from note to note. I tend to warn the customer before I run it cause it sounds scary.
Hi George Benton, which Disklavier model is this? I'm trying to control Disklaviers with MIDI and none of them play nearly this fast-they choke with even moderate tempo arpeggios. Thanks for any tips!
@@BentonCBainbridge According to his description it's a Yamaha Inspire Disklavier which is the latest and current version.
Thanks @George Benton. I have heard there are three types of Enspire Disklaviers. Is this the Pro?
@@BentonCBainbridge I don't believe there's any difference between models as far as the electronics go. Just different acoustic pianos such as sizes and color. I don't know what is being used in this video.
Hainbach - Music For Midi Pianos
It sounds like the engine in a futuristic fishing boat.
I will make my fishing boat emit these sounds
"I think I have to restart the piano"
i was expecting him to play old black midis that started the whole genre like bad apple 31K or necrofantasia 166K or LBSFS 21K
Hell even something later that popularized it while not quite being full black midi itself, like UN Owen was her
Reichian piano blast-beats are my new favorite music genre. There's also a bit earlier that hits an almost footwork-y bounce that's super interesting. Great work as always.
Amazing. I wish I could play with it too. Seeing the hammers hit the string as you programmed it in DAW must be such a cool experience. Thanks for another interesting video!
That's awesome Dave and Anders came in to check out what you were doing.
An expensive proposition....... Not The Disintegration Loops but The Disintegration Piano!
daaaaaammmmmnn let me pitch that to Yamaha!
@@Hainbach Colin Nancarrow meets William Basinski
You have won the internet today! This is literally a sound designers dream. So many sonic possibilities
@HAINBACH Along the same lines as this video - You should try and get your hands on a Polyend kit... I've always wanted to experiment with one of those. Adding different materials to each piece of the drum kit e.g. random bits of metal on a cymbal/using a broken cymbal, while the Polyend plays ridiculous patterns. Most importantly bowing cymbals gives me such a sonic hard on... Transposed down and distorted ahhh!
Very cool ! It reminded me of Aphex Twin, all the piano and prepared piano tracks on the album "Drukqs" are recorded using a Disklavier.
Yes, I mention his influence in the description, too. Those were IMO the best tracks on that album.
@@Hainbach The aisatsana part at barbican by aphex twin was great too - i guess this was also done with disklavier ? and there was another guy who "copied" this with a guitar amp hanging from a rope.
Aw man, you didn't test the vocal auditory illusion tracks on it, I think i would be crazy to hear that irl!
i was just thinking this!
You made my day with this! The world would be so much poorer without people like you! Last night I had watched Doctor Mix in the piano room and you sat there in the background and I was wondering what you were up to....
Making coffee, having no clue what to expect, but curious ;)
Brilliant. One of the best from Synth Reactor 2019
I was terrified just watching this.
a cup of tea, cigarettes, a sleeping cat on my lap, a new video of Hainbach : hapiness
If I hit one of those crazy huge lotteries I would definitely get the biggest diskklavier I could find. Yamaha pianos are so nice.
The moment you can do childlike crazy things with expensive stuff without the risk of getting a beating. I'd like to hear some of my music on a disklavier myself :)
So true!
2:59 - Some tinct of Radiohead's "Bloom" .
9:48 It would definitely not last long !
Excellent work as usual, we need more solenoids in your studio !
Unexpected and very interesting. I am almost always guaranteed to have my musical horizon widened when watching your videos!
Same as I do when I create these videos. :-)
Finally, someone covered this very important subject.
Wowww... around 9 minutes in my jaw dropped. Almost feels like a surreal dream seeing that every-note wave with the defeated "wump"
I was so astounded, too! Happy to have that moment captured
Everything you do sounds so good! Your joy at experimenting always shines through. Thank you for your work.
Beautiful to hear, thank you!
Dan Deacon has done some similar work using Midi Piano pushed to the limits. The song "Become a mountain" is a really good example. Beautiful way to use the instrument. Thanks for sharing this experience!
Emperor Joseph the 2nd: There's just too many notes!
HAINBACH: Hold my test equipment
Lots of Steve Reich stuff going on here. I love it 😎
I wish I had been in that room during your experiments. I bet you could feel that sound in your bowels!
I was using really low velocity because anything above 85 made my head rattle.
When you see smoke rising from the keys you know it's time to stop. 😂😂😂
I have many friends who are looking for academic courses or formal education on institutions about expanded music, but i think watching your videos is far more enlightening. Hope you have more space in transmitting knowledge, since your examples are clear and very musical. Feeling your love towards music is the key to transmit that inspiration.
Thank you, that means a lot to me!
Anyone familiar with Conlon Nancarrow's work? Cool stuff!
Yeah! I put a short text mentioning him in the description.
@@Hainbach How'd I miss that? haha
Some million note music please!! Lol! Interesting as always Hainbach! John Cage would be proud!
A minimalist masterpiece
wow I didn't even know about this, and now I want to know everything about this!
My friend, check out what Conlon Nancarrow did. I can imagine you going down the vintage player piano rabbit hole.
aphex twin used it for avril 14th ;) but tbh that's the only reason i know it :)
You did something on my bucketlist.
Yes, it was in mine too! Now once again with more time would be great.
@@Hainbach Understandable, hope you get that change soon! Great video!
That whole thing was really, really cool.
love the "prepared piano" coins etc
Wieder ein exzellenter Hainbach! Terry Riley auf Amphetamin.
Tolle Arbeit!
🌲
Welll fellla
Thank you hainbach this is what everyone who has ever looked at a Disklavier wanted to trIt's
Its like one of those ocd things and it feels sooo good to watch this haha
Yo my dude. This channel is seriously fucking amazing. I finally have internet after five months of living under a rock and i'm just gonna binge your content for a while haha. Greetings from Argentina.
Oh Argentina! That is a country I would love to visit one day. Cheers!
@@Hainbach Yeah mane, you welcome. Just check your pockets if you are in Buenos Aires, i'd recommend Córdoba. Nicer views and charismatic fuckin people.
@@Hainbach Also, since we are in the midst of a cultural exchange type deal happening here. I'd like to ask you how you got started modifying equipment to make music or if you could just refer me to some source because i'd be psyched for some info. Cheers and thank you in advance.
I don't mod much, I patch more - or do you mean test equipment? I want to do a video on that soon.
@@Hainbach Yes i meant test equiment. Then i'm looking forward to watching it.
Love the rolling quality you get
You got some really nice results there!
Put this in a house and tell people it’s haunted
Philip Glass after too much coffee
Nancarrow meets Reich! Love it!!
Easily one of the best videos to come out of TSR19. Awesome stuff.
5:30 Melodic spasmodic phantasm.
Well. if people say this isn't music. then atleast it's a form of Art i guess.
I was doing some explorations with 'Music in the Numbers' software a few years ago, and wondered what 16 channels of midi percussion would sound like. As you might expect, it sounded quite 'busy'. After a minute or so, I began to hear a pulsing staticky sound growing in volume over top of the percussive madness, so stopped the program. The percussion stopped, but the static continued, as if the percussion had driven my sound card insane. Freaked out, I rebooted my computer. The sound persisted AFTER THE REBOOT. It slowly faded away to my immense relief, and I never again experimented with percussion in that fashion.
This is brilliant. Your videos are the best! Always interesting and very inspiring.
Hainbach, you piano wizard! Crazy sounds, so are the piano keys moving like in a horror movie!
Awesome 😎
Awesome! 8:57 was my favourite moment.
So much fun! So glad you got the opportunity to do this!
some serious steve reich vibes in this video.
Fucking cool! I think that when the tempo goes too fast, the keys don't get enough time to return to their initial position in order to be played again, that's why you get weird rhythmic variations. That's why some piano's are better than other ones for playing fast. And Yamaha piano's are usually not easy to be played fast in comparison with a Steinway for example. It's all quite physical if you think about it, even though it's all controlled by midi information. Awesome video!
You should start a gofundme or similar thing to get one of these haha
Oh man, so much fun. :-) You should see a bunch of Yamaha CP4 / 40 on the used market since they just released the CP88 / 76. It samples the 9 foot grand. But it doesn't have keys that press themselves.
David and Anders showing up completely out of nowhere had me surprised... this is really cool!
this is the best and only real youtube of the whole event so far and I have seen a lot and I have seen a lot of the youtube... all the other videos are so contrived it's like you were left alone to do what you do... if only they had done the same for the other CZcamsrs
Thank you, that means a lot to me. It's not about what they do with you it's how you use the opportunity. I went off on my own the first day, because this is what I had in mind to do for a long time. I had asked Thomann tsr people about this piano but they were vague, so I went and searched for it and explored it without their influence. The staff in the piano room was helpful and left me alone. I am still so happy about this.
@@Hainbach and it shows... I have nothing against the concept of this event at all, and seeing some of my favourite CZcamsrs come together was amazing to see. Where I feel they went wrong from someone looking in was to put you in a studio with time constants it stands out like a saw thumb and people cannot be them self as I know them from there own channels. What you did with that piano was amazing and also a dream for me to see as I have always wanted to try pushing midi to the max on a piano too. Thank you for having your idea and sticking to it.
I could see in your face how much you enjoyed the experience on your sine off of the video, and you did not break a very expensive piano which is a testament to the quality of something that was never made to do what you did to it
Yeah, I feel you. I made one studio video that was fun, because it's Sam and me challenging Julian from Native to go beyond the sane on his creation. But I needed that idea first, and it helped that I had put on a show of Julian as artist before I met him as someone from Native. I can't do random, I need an artistic idea to root myself.
@@Hainbach Looking in I really think you all needed that.... I saw many youtubes of people building up to go on this trip and many of you were thinking why me! It was more interesting seeing how you all handled it. I think that having an idea was the better way. Like me I like to plan and it shows that this video was a chance to try something you wanted. I also saw the NAM videos for this year and this felt the same youtubers playing with kit.... I think this could be more in the future let people bend the kit try out what it is not supposed to do and let us the viewer see what this equipment can truly do taken in unexpected directions. Because that is what you do best and why we follow you.
beautiful, tasteful, thoughtful and intellectually interesting as always, thank you Hainbach.
I've wanted to do that for years, so thanks for the vicarious thrill.
Respect to the shop owner for letting you do this 😅
From La Monte Young, to Philip Glass, and then to Nicolas Collins. What a fun video
Not sure what’s more intriguing the content, the look or the name 😁👌🏿
lots of great new music around, hainbach, lightbath, mylar, ann annie and the list goes on...
Love your channel, and big fan of black MIDI, that being said, POLYRHYTHMS FFS YOU FOOL
2:18 it's as if a ghost is using the piano to communicate in morse code from the afterlife xD
Piano drag race haha, keep up the good work bud!
Nancarrow would be proud.
Lubomyr Melnyk would play all that with just one hand. 😁
A uniquely remarkable video! Awesome
Woah-Philip Glass in a box!
But is it a glass box?
i love this. Somewhere between Steve Reich and Aphex Twin 'drukqs'
So good, sounds and looks amazing and super fun
Please Yamaha send him one of these pianos, so we can listen to all sort of music experiments from him and enjoy a better life! :-)
Yes, Yamaha, listen to Soundethers!
You're insane! (I mean that in a good way)
Something both amazing and spooky about that piano playing all those keys by itself
Pwoah pure madness
HAL? Permit me to tinkle your ivories. No...Dave...you can not tinkle my ivories, this is not logical, I can not permit it. HAL...TO bad...I have MIDI, AND YOU CAN NOT STOP ME HAL!!!
Hey this is Josh and welcome to Lets Game It Out.
Today we are going to play some piano and by play I mean...
I wouldn't want to be the guy buying this piano after this... But seriously, there were some very inspiring moments there. I wonder how it would sound like with some reverb...
I will be doing tape stuff with the sounds no doubt :-)
Oh cool, you can have a transcribed version of "Music for 18 Musicians" AND "Canto Ostinato" play AT THE SAME TIME.