Livernois Tunes the 2018+ Expedition 3.5 Ecoboost, gains over 130hp! Huge change in passing power!
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2024
- Everyone knows that we offer amazing calibrations for the 3.5 EcoBoost F150, but that's not the only truck we add serious power too. The Expedition and Navigator are also supported by us and make some crazy power with just our tuning, which is also 50-state legal for 2015-19 Expedition and Navigator, and we hope to expand that to 2020 as well! Check out the video to see just how much time we shave off the 40-80 MPH times, which is the #1 area people want more power from on these trucks!
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What a monster!
For the size of this thing, it was impressive!
I personally find it hilarious amd fun to make big ass vehicles quick
It was definitely much better after!
The full size Transit can make this power, it also has an Ecoboost lol
Awesome video... leaning towards a new Expedition, this looks like a must have!
It's a big improvement! Especially when used with our upgraded intercooler!
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@Livernois Motorsports & Engineering is this the high output that's 450hp like the new navigator. I'm looking at the navigator but when I looked at the stock numbers from a CZcams dyno called vividtuner the numbers were like 310 wheels which I would say is way under rated from an advertised stock of 450. I always thought there was a loss of 15-20%.
Cause if ford is falsely advertising their power from these 3.5 than I prefer to buy the 6.2 escalade 2021
Does the tune alter fuel mileage? Also do you have to strictly run 93 octane in it after tuning ? Thanks !
Have a 2018 Ford Raptor with a Livernois 93 Tune. The tune was jacked, shredded the transmission [ Livernois said it happens sometimes, that was it, nothing else from them] Can't get anyone from Livernois to even answer the phone. Now new engine, new trans, CVF Intercooler, 126 thermostat, etc. Want to use the tune again to have it all run better together and still can't get Livernois to respond for an updated tune.
Looking at MPT Tunes. Staff very knowledgeable, easy to talk with and promise better tune and performance!
All of our tune requests and ticketing system is no longer than 3 days old, it sounds like maybe the email you're sending it to may not be correct? Of course, we don't know your name, or any other information to be able to dig deeper into this, but our 10r80 tuning continually earns the praise of everyone that runs it, so something sounds a bit off by your comments. Feel free to supply us with your support ticket number so we can further look into this.
Wow. I own a 2006 Expedition and have a SCT 91 tune and your results here are impressive. I can only imagine adding other replacement power parts would Jack up the hp and torque. Deciding on a SUV. This one or a 2020 Tahoe.
With an intercooler and some other items, these can approach 200hp!
After wanting a 2007-2017 suburban real bad. I went with a 2016 expedition el. Trusted it over chevy's afm and that crap 8 speed. It felt much more peppy as well. I swore I'd never go back to a v6, but after I drove it, I had no reservations.
Not to be that guy, but the original 40-80 pull was uphill to the expressway and the second 40-80 pull was downhill to merge onto the expressway. I would try to keep those factors the same. That 6,000lbs is definitely affected by uphill vs downhill.
If you're familiar with the area, both ramps are about the same grade as you're merging onto an expressway that is above the surface street we are on. Neither are downhill, and both are uphill. One is the Southbound Telegraph Rd to I94 west ramp, and the other is the Eastbound Michigan Ave to I275 south ramp, both are uphill grades.
Just bought a 2019 expedition platty with the 3.5. We live at an elevation of 7k. Does this tune need to be different for elevation change or with the turbos it won’t matter? I’m thinking the latter
All of our tuning is designed to work no matter the elevation.
Older video, but an observations:
The stock run was on 87 octane. You hinted at this with your comment about putting 93 octane in after the initial dyno session. To get a true reading on gains, just fill the vehicle up with one tank of 93 octane for the entire session. With 93 octane in the tank, I believe you'll see less than a 1 second difference (which is still noteworthy) between the 40-80mph pulls. The dyno session result gaps in HP and TQ, stock versus tuned, will also be reduced. No doubt the tuned computer will put down more power, but you wouldn't see the power fall off as drastically on the big end of the stock tune (when the computer was pulling timing) if it was running 93 octane the whole time.
We have baselined many stock Expeditions, with, and without 93. You are correct, the baseline is indeed higher, which is why we call out what we baselined it with. This is what the overwhelming majority of owners do when they purchase a tune. They would have been running 87 octane stock (not understanding the benefits to 91+ on a stock tune) and then moving to our performance tune which would require the fuel change. But, we still see 9/10ths of these gains vs stock 91+ tuning.
I believe that the40 - 80 mph performance and overall performance is also reflective of what gear ratio your rear axle is.
The gains of stock vs tuned would not care about the gear ratio however, since you are talking about the difference of the same vehicle itself.
Is this a permanent tune or could you take it off for warranty work? Or would it void warranty entirely?
you can restore the vehicle to stock programming for service, with that said, we would always recommend being open and honest about any modifications performed. Usually dealerships are pretty cool about tunes so long as you don't hide them.
Do aftermarket air intakes have an effect on the performance gains? Is the performance calibration the same?
Is towing affected by the performance tune? Or does a person need to return to stock for towing?
Yes, our Windstorm cold air does help for power, but mainly in efficiency and responsiveness. These are a fair bit more lively with our cold air intake. They do not require a tune change for an intake. As for towing, we have towing specific tunes that allow for safe power levels with a trailer connected.
What’s the cost
I have this tune with JLT intake on my 2020 Expedition and it make a massive difference in off line performance and throttle response, and much better gains on top end. Punching it from 60mph it pegs 125 in no time lol. I have a few short clips on my page if yall wanna check it out.
that's great to hear!
I just purchased a 2016 Ecoboost expedition with 44k miles and was curious if you have something for that vehicle and if so what are the gains and does it change fuel economy either + or -
We do support these as well. Since they're the older design engine they don't gain as much power, around 60-80hp on 93. And most customers report back with better economy than stock.
@@LivernoisMotorsports How do I purchase this?
@@kevinmcgill8591 www.livernoismotorsports.com/product/LPP631125/2015-2020-ford-ecoboost-expedition-navigator-tuner
I have a 2007 Lincoln Navigator I put a k & n filter of the intake so that it would respond a little more but even so I feel very dumb, would this work for this?🤔
Unfortunately not, other than the name of the vehicle, nothing is remotely the same. We do offer a tuner for the old V8 trucks but they're no where near as potent as the Ecoboost V6 models.
I have an 06 Expedition with a SCT tune from 3 dyno pulls. Magnaflow exhaust from the Block back-cats too. My numbers on the 5.4 3 valve are 355 hp on 91. Stock transmission. It’s perky but nothing like this one in the video. My hand held programmer cost $500 and 6 dyno pulls at Dyno Jet in Vegas, 3 before and 3 after.
Would this tune work for a 2017 expedition? What about the combo of tune+ cold air kit + magnaflow cat back?
I’m with you on this have a 2017 also
Got a couple questions if you would be so kind to answer as I am Considering this tune for my 2018 Lincoln Navigator
1. How come there isn't dedicated tune for the Lincoln Navigator vs Expedition? As the Navigator has the High output engine. You guys a have distinction between the F-150 vs the Raptor tune (High output just like the Navi)
2. I Read on your previous comments, your tune will auto adjust for 87-91. Is that how factory is as well? It does not adjust for the higher 93 Octane on stock tune?
3. Do you need separate tunes for towing or the auto adjust tune 87-91 will work for towing just like factory?
4. Any separate (Additional) charge if we want both 87-91 auto adjust tune and 93 tune?
The navigator actually doesn't have the high output engine, it's just rated in premium fuel vs 87 for the power numbers. On the engine side, they even have the identical calibration for many expedition and navigator models. The transmission side does vary, but that's the reason the Lincoln is rated higher is they did the power numbers in premium fuel. The tune will auto adjust just like stock for 87-93, but we have a higher power version for 91-93 only as well as an E30 tune that's even higher than that. If towing, you would need to install our tow specific tune as it provides improved safety with high loads.
@@LivernoisMotorsports I see, thx
So does the tuner come with all the tunes you can select from or it’s individual?
@@mark0101 each tune is customized to your vehicle, so you would tell us how many and which ones you want.
@@LivernoisMotorsports
Just sent in a request for tune after getting it in the mail. Man... what process to installing a tune nowadays. Don't know if it is because cars have become rolling computers or just LMS way.
@@mark0101 We always want to provide the best possible results so we ensure we have accurate and complete info, but this stems from cars being so complex. So a little of both.
Is there any turbo lag after the tune? And also is the transmission shifting better off?
Our calibration definitely improves turbo lag, but this is a mechanical item that can never be eliminated completely. The transmission calibration alone is worth the price of admission in our opinion.
@@LivernoisMotorsports I am torn between buying an expedition or the new Toyota sequoia can you tune the new 3.5 L TwinTurbo Toyota engine?
@@vernonknight5827 We only tune GM, Ford, and Chrysler. Unfortunately no foreign makes.
So is this just a flash tune, no bolt on? Also would a e85 tune be possible?
This is tuning only, no other changes. As for e85, we do have the other fuel system upgrades to run e85, but you can't without upgrading them.
@Livernois Motorsports & Engineering I checked out your site. I'm looking at a 2020 nav black label and will be towing my 27ft CC and if I were to do this tune
Will I require an upgraded intercooler, intake, fuel pump and the plugs. Cause that fuel pump is expensive in the sense that this won't be used for racing. Will be a mom vehicle and the most strain will be towing @ 65mph. I just want better shifting better off the line efficiency and removing the on off feature.
Do you need to run 93 or can you pick what type of fuel you use?
Our tune auto adjusts between 91 and 93 for this one. We have others that will work from 87-91 as well. But for the top performing options they require at least 91.
@@LivernoisMotorsports for a 2007 stock triton , 5.4 should i use ,87 ,89, 93 or it dont matter''' cause iam using 89 oct' now'
@@ericjohnson9356 In stock form, those didn't require premium. But with our tuning, there is a clear benefit from using higher octane fuel.
If driving normal can a guy see any better mpgs with these tunes, when he doesn't want to beat the Honda civic next to him?
Are they just plug and play into the OBD? I have a 2019 Ford Edge ST 2.7L and would like to get one 😊
Yes they do
@@LivernoisMotorsports thx for responding, so how much to get one of these things up to Toronto Canada? Also doesn't it hold like 4 different tunes including stock?
@@supernewf3722 There technically isn't a limit on tunes it can hold, but most people only use 1 or 2. As for price it's currently $599.99 plus shipping, and being in canada you'd also have duties and taxes.
Ok thanks for the info. I will keep you updated on if I'm going to get one.
@@supernewf3722 no problem, sounds good!
Hi, I just saw this video. I have a 2019 Explorer platinum with the 3.5 ecoboost will this tune work?
Indeed it will!
Same for 2018 limited 3.5 TT
This average guy is interested in towing improvement for my 2020 Expedition. My trailer is ~6,200lbs. I should add I really don't want to use 93 octane either (unless I'm in the mountains or at high elevation - then I'm happy to use 93), and reliability and longevity are primary concern on the family car. What are your tow tunes like?
The new Chevy duramax tahoe or suburban is the way to go instead of putting money towards “tuning” imo.
@@2K9s Agreed, but I own it and no way am I paying that kind of money to simply tow my trailer when the Expedition does well right now. After all, its a short wheel base enclosed F150 with independent suspension. And at higher elevations, the boosted motor works really well.
@@don_sharon
Makes sense. I used to tune my gas tahoes and 1/2 pickups before going to diesel 12 yrs ago. Had great results with (B&B) exhaust systems, air intake system. Unsure if companies like diablo sport are around with tunes already installed in them but I would tweak the tire diameter’s for shift points too. Fuel economy savings vs stock paid for the upgrades but never kept tuned gas vehicles longer than a couple years back then.
I’m looking at the LM2 or new LZO model suburban, mainly for the torque and fuel economy, longevity. Would prefer a topper for my current truck but they’re $5-8k.
How much is the tune and the fuel pump ford expedition 2019
Are you referring to our T650 package to allow the use of E85 fuel?
I want to tune mine but the truth is they don't need anything over stock. Their quick. A lot quicker than people give credit. But, my question os how does it live tuned like this? Transmission,turbos?
In all our years of tuning these, we've never had a report back on any failures, even 6 years later.
More important to me {75 yo} is the 87 tune for a 3.5. Would also like to see an 87 tune with your aftermarket cooler on a 21 3.5.
we offer 87 tunes, but they don't add much power since these are recommended to use 91+ even with the stock calibration. So they reduce power when using 87 to keep it safe. We can only add a small amount in at that lower octane level because of this.
Will this work on a 2021?
yes it will
How is the GT 500 build going?
You'll see soon ;-)
@@LivernoisMotorsports Thanks looking forward to what you do to that beast.
Does this make more power than 5 star tuning?
We don't compare ourselves to others, simply because we don't feel there's a need. We've been tuning Ecoboost vehicles longer than anyone else in the industry, long before it was "cool" to do so, and as such have tuned more Ecoboost vehicles than anyone else. Because of this were able to offer the best balance of power, and reliability in the industry.
Well. There's a bunch of different parameters they can adjust. Either one can change it at any time.
Can you guarantee that the dealer will not reject warranty with this tune?
As with any tune we always recommend you be upfront and honest with your dealership. We have not had an issue with anyone that was.
BRAKES ??
Are you asking if we upgraded the brakes?
Was the baseline done with 87 in the tank? You made a big deal about putting 93 in the tank. We all know the difference between 87 and 93 is about 15-18 HP, and ~20lbft on Stock tuning.
It was baselined with 87 which is why we called out putting 93 in it. With that said we used the best 87 baseline, with a median 93 result to be a true apples to apples comparison.
@@LivernoisMotorsports No disrespect meant, but that is in NO WAY an apples to apples comparison. You should definitely be making it very clear that the baseline was 87. Making a big deal of the under the curve gain, when the base was 87, is flawed. We both know later in the pull where the under the curve comment was directed at, is where it is even stock tuning 87 vs 93 you would see a difference. That is when the added Octane makes the most difference.
@@LokiWolf77 Based on quite literally thousands of EcoBoost vehicles tested by us using this method, we absolutely see that the best 87 pull mimics the median 93 baseline across all that are able to un 87, it's only subsequent runs that power falls off, namely due to MCT increases, so they aggressively remove timing and sometimes boost to accommodate for the learned octane value being lower. So, if we were utilizing the median 87, or lowest 87, we would agree, but the best 87 does really line up quite well with the median 93 results. And, it's exactly why we said we were going to put 93 in it next, so people know we're changing fuels.
@@LivernoisMotorsports Got anything I can see for the same vehicle, not this one obviously where a Stock median 93 Pull matched the best stock 87 pull. All the Dyno data I have seen for EcoBoosts would contradict that. I haven’t done many personally, but been around performance cars all my life. No Rookie. Been around these EcoBoosts for a while now. I would love to see some Data to prove what you are saying. Regardless, you can’t disagree that a better testing procedure would be to compare Stock 87 to Tuned 87, or Stock 93 to Tuned 93. It gives a much more accurate number for gains. Now I have tuned 2 vehicles with your Calibrations. A 2016 Edge Sport, and one of my Current vehicles a 2020 Expedition Limited Max. I was the first 2020 Expedition you wrote files for, because it was delayed, because Ford changed the computers around a bit for 2020 in the Expedition’s to match the F-150’s(but I am not telling you anything you don’t know). My wife hated the shifting, and I asked for tweaks. Anthony made some adjustments and it was better, he said he would send it to the Calibrator for additional changes. That was a LONG time ago, and I NEVER heard back. I switched tuners and have been very Happy, and so has the wife. Other than the shifting being too aggressive in Normal, the tune had SOLID power. I wish you luck!
500 whp in the mkz soon please I would like to be a new customer
That kind of performance would really require some serious upgrades to do so.
@@LivernoisMotorsports Fair points Dan, I have a 3L Duratec w twin Garrett turbo's in one of my vehicles and to conservatively get to 550whp / 500wtrq took many upgrades. Larger Intercooler, larger turbos, larger fuel pump, higher flow injectors, tune of course, and oil cooler to help. All in a vehicle less than 2400lbs wet makes for good fun, but takes a focused approach beyond a simple tune flash. About 630 crank hp all in.
How about fuel milage
Ultimately that depends on how aggressive you drive. While we don't market it as something that improves mileage, many customers report gains over stock.
So this would work in an explorer.. no turbo, just 3.5 eco boost? Gahhhh! If this does, this will be a game changer. I was use to the hemi in the Durango, so going from that to this is just pitiful
If it's not turbo, then it's not an EcoBoost engine. However, we do support the non-turbo 3.5 and 3.7 in the 13-19 Explorer, but those are not EcoBoost engines.