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Plot holes in One Piece were erased when Luffy grew his teeth back by drinking milk.
DJ Hasta that's my favorite one piece gag, can't remember another time Oda shit on a fan theory so casually (missing tooth being a new defining trait/scar for luffy)
Or how Brooks afro rooted into his skull
@Queen_Bratz whole cake island
@Queen_Bratz specifically it was before they crashed big mom's wedding and they met up with Bege
@Queen_Bratz I whole cake island when they are in capones castle getting ready to have a meeting with him don’t know the ep
You forgot the inconsistency of when Luffy and Zoro first met, Zoro actually told Luffy the right direction of where the marine base was.
HaloBaller9813 No it’s just a running gag of Zoro
Actually it’s a huge fan theory, that has a lot of evidence that zoros bad sense of direction comes from his cursed sword
Anime only though, that wasn't in the manga.
sner85 I wasn’t aware of that, thank you for letting me know.
Jeremy Geller I’m aware but I think the theory is contradicted by the fact that the entire reason Zoro became a pirate hunter is because he got lost and couldn’t find his way home
I always find it funny that in the beginning of the series, they introduce the Grandline as something "no one has ever returned from" which is quite hard to believe, when you look at all the pirates from the east blue who made it to the Grandline or even the monarchs going to the reverie
Yes, but this was presented as an opinion from some backwater peasants from East Blue (or wherever from 4 oceans, doesn't matter in this case). What would they know? This seems like a simple hyperbole, different way of saying "it's a dangerous place".
That's just a hyperbole tho
Also it was at the begging of the show when he thought he would be done in 5 years
"Nobody has ever returned from the grand line! Unless You count the most famous person in all of history, Roger, who was executed by the world government right in our own backyard ,the East Blue, after sailing the grand line to his heart's content for over a decade!"
Lol. Don't make ad hoc excuses. If someone's dumb enough to think nobody ever comes back from the grand line, they'd also be the type of character that forgets to breathe if they're not constantly thinking about it. Practically braindead given all the high-profile examples.
@@Chance57 when did they every say nobody made it out. U straight up see kreige get out damaged then hawakye just sails out in the baratie arc
My favourite mistake, which idk if it also happened in the manga technically, was how Gecko Moria could steal shadows in broad daylight without the victims bursting into fire
Are you talking about marineford? maybe he stole them from people who were under the shadow of the walls that appeared or the ice walls that Aokiji made.
@@Matuterocks could be. I remember looking for shade too and rewatched the scenes and in the manga but of there is one they didn't add it. Another explanation I had was that Moria was using his doppleman to keep them alive while he borrowed their shadows
Stealing a shadow renders the victim unconscious, so maybe they are safe until the unconsciousness is over?
did he plant the shadows into corpses? if the didn't then maybe they need a corpse before the sun vaporizing takes effect?
@@schwarzerritter5724 Doesn't make any sense.
Ace had the biggest plot hole
-Directed and produced by: *Akainu*
Too soon man
Damn, I was going to make that "Ace" comment.
@@oldasdust1And I also bet someone else before me commented something similar already.
Omg
@@detaaditya6237 the fact its been a decade since marineford baffles me
One unrealistic aspect you could bring up was in the Marine Fort Arc. How did Whitebeard manage to stay conscious even though Buggy D. Clown was present?
Oda even covered that. Watch when Whitebeard sees Buggy and makes an "alliance" so he could avoid the wrath of the mighty Buggy.
@@AB-et6nj 👍
ah yes that makes more sense now
Buggy op
THIS JOKE NEVER GETS OLD I SWEAR LMAO
The observation haki was also planned because Eneru’s mantra was definitely observation haki
More like a coincidence. Enel mantra was just a crazy version of haki.
Haki was definetely planed. Logias would be invincible then, aside from strategies such as Luffy's against Crocodile.
@@alejandrop.s.3942 that was just luck that liquid worked on crocodile. Prior to that smoker caught Luffy while being soaked in rain and Luffy couldn’t get away.
@@alejandrop.s.3942 on loguetown. Right before dragon intervened
It was all planned from chapter one. Crocodile thinks luffy hits him with haki before he realizes it's water. Dr hiriluk says a great pirate has "a body of stone, eyes of an eagle, and a voice that can split the heavens" or observation, armament, and conquerors.
What about the fact that there are cyborgs that shoot lazars but no one an invent a motor?
Pretty sure the only people we've seen use that kind of tech are Government-funded operatives associated with Vegapunk right? Franky pre-timeskip had some relatively advanced tech, but no lasers or motorised vehicles until post-timeskip after he studied in Vegapunk's old lab. I can't really think of a specific inconsistency related to this off the top of my head, it's just very present for us in the story but still rare in the world, it seems
I remembered that the Gaon Cannon is pretty much a laser on the Sunny after it was built lmao. Might be attributable to Franky's insight in the Pluton blueprints, but that's mere conjecture and could be disproven when we see the actual weapon.
@@evowarrior5
How does Franky literally hollow out a very deep cavity in his gut to store soda? You have to suspend your disbelief with Franky and his tech quite a bit, but he's still *SUPER!* :)
There are motors in One Piece. For example, the are motorized doors in Punk Hazzard, there is a train in Punk Hazzard, there is a train in Water 7 etc.
@@evowarrior5 it actually isn't a laser, it's a Coup de Vent, essentially a huge air cannon the difference is that a Coup de Vent can wreck a crane being powered by a single bottle of cola and the Gaon Cannon uses three fliping BARRELS.
The biggest plot hole is how Doflamingo prepared a powerpoint presentation with the entire opposition even when they were formed hours ago...and without a subscribe button to the Grand Line Review
Mar Louie Vincent Reyes the heavenly demon is not to be underestimated
How nice of him, ion mind
ikr. did he have stock photos of the revolutionaries lying around? that still wouldn't explain how he learned of about "god usopp" so quickly.
That’s only in the anime tho
@@Dreq458 I won't put it past Oda to reveal that was a devil fruit ability from one of his sub-ordinates.
I like the idea that Crocodile was just one of those later mentioned (by Pekoms at FI I believe) "cocky logia" users who did not know what haki is, just entered the new world, got trashed immediately and then fled back to the easier parts of the oceans.
Jack has no haki ability and he's 3rd commander so I don't even consider it an inconsistancy.
@@earlyman7439 Jack's haki is unknown.
@@earlyman7439 When was it confirmed that Jack has no haki?
@paulin nguetsop batman's haki is only shown in the anime, so it's not canon
Vivre card says jack has no haki. Look it up.
Edit: my bad, the space was left blank for "Haki" which is unusual. Not sure what to make of that.
Honestly, the haki thing has always struck me as weird. Like you said, we had CP9, and Crocodile not using Haki, yet random marine soldiers under smoker and Issho are using haki, and are skilled enough to infuse their weapons with it. That's really kind of bizarre, especially considering not even all of the main crew can use haki, yet every cannon fodder marine Issho employed could use it, and keep themselves alive against Doflamingo's bird cage move.
Yeah me after watching dressrosa, surprised to see lower rank marine easily coat their katana with haki
New world
I don't know what I was talking about with CP9 actually. They totally used Haki on several occasions.
i think marines in the new world only learnt haki
We just didn't see it bc of (headcannon here) if they can't use it or at least have a general knowledge of it,then they and we can't see it@@Petronio39
I mean Sanji thought DFs were just myths back then so maybe the confirmation that devil fruits do exists shocked him or something
He knew about devil fruits as a kid and then was surprised when luffy couldn't swim
@@user-bt1ge2ge9i he had a book that descibed a bunch of devil fruits as a kid, i had a book that described dragons as a kid, id still be suprised AF if a dragon showed up, and definatly wouldnt remember some random weakness of dragons mentioned in that book
he knew it was real because he wanted absaloms fruit and he even remembered the weakness when meeting absalom
@@joehicks929 watch his fight with absalom idiot
@@user-bt1ge2ge9i i dont understand your point? he wanted absaloms fruit, because he read about it in a book, why does that mean he would know devil fruits existed, in the translation i saw, he specifically states that its hes been thinking about having the fruit for a YEAR, which lines up pretty well with when he met luffy and found out devil fruits were real, meaning he probably assumed that devil fruits didnt exist after deciding he wanted one as a kid, and the upon finding out they WERE real, starting imaging having the fruit he used to want as a kid, and now i hate you for making me watch the absalom fight again, fucking hate sanji in the thriller bark ark
Actually Buso haki was already shown when Garp used his "Fist of Love". Sanji even asked how Luffy got damaged so much if he was made out of rubber.
And Zoro very likely used it on Mr 1
Then why does the cp9 doesn't have it?
@@juliuism rob lucci has it, rokuogan seems like an advanced armament haki
@@juliuism Because pre time skip Oda just didn't have haki really planned out
sasu46 shanks used conq haki when he saved luffy as a kid wdym.
I always assumed that Pell was just talking about bird zoan types. Like so Marco, Morgans, and himself.
Morgans cant fly (dunno why too)
@@oevandrorealconfia4762 thats really weird especially because albatrosses are some of the most efficient travelers out of like any animal 🤔
@@al_luviec maybe thats why its a mythical zoan? Its nor a real albatross but a mythical, flightless one?
I was going to mention that weird spotted bird in Skypea, but he was just a bird that ate the Pegasus fruit wasn't he?
》Al 《 albatross can’t start flight because they’re too heavy. they use wind gusts and streams to get them into the air and then they can stay there for a while, maybe if morgan’s got a strong enough wind stream he’d be able to fly? idk
Well I think there is a difference between a PLOT HOLE and a minor inconsistency. Plot holes are major problems in a story that need fixing. Pell saying there are only 5 fruits that enable flight is trivial and you know it.
It doesn’t have to be major to be a plot hole. A plot hole is only an inconsistency/contradiction in the story. Pell’s statement is a plothole.
@@yoboiboy4182 I am not talking about the technicality, but the way he makes it a much bigger thing than it really is. Read the title. There is nothing "astonishing" about Pell saying something wrong about some devil fruits that enable flight.
@@FatManJackson why are you getting so offended over plot holes in one piece? No series is perfect and one piece isnt an exception
@@FatManJackson kudos for responding to your year-old comment. But I agree, the title's a bit clickbaity. Not much that's astonishing in this video
@@kinkajoulegend9989 kudos? I got a notification, so I reply. Not a big deal hahah
One doesn't count in my mind. Sanji forgot until Zeff reminded him and being around Luffy constantly since kept it fresh in his mind. People forget stuff, particularly books they read when they were like 6.
Not when you say it's "your dream" to both find the All Blue which requires sea travel and it's also your dream to find this one specific Devil Fruit for the purpose of invisibility. When you need to go searching for an ocean on the high seas, you'd definitely remember a specific trait of a fruit you want in a encyclopedia of Devil Fruit that says 'Cannot swim in ocean once eaten'.
@@ShaggyDabbyDank i mean, sanji also didn't noticed on baratie arc how he can go save luffy from drowning when he's supposed to be unable to walk, or barely, by that time (also a foreshadowing about sanji in the current manga) . Maybe he just forgot about the df users curse for a short time then after zeff told him, he immediately remembers
@@Amor_24 That first part of what you said don't make any sense. Sanji hasn't eaten a DF so of course he can go save Luffy from drowning, and I don't remember there specifically being anything stating that Sanji was unable to walk by that point because of battle damage. He seemed like he was fine to continue moving and started swimming immediately once Zeff told him that if he's got time to daydream then to go save Luffy. Furthermore with Sanji's surprised reaction of 'What?' to Zeff saying that Luffy won't be floating to the surface, it's safe to say that Sanji just didn't know that devil fruit users wouldn't just float to the surface like anybody else. Not that he forgot and suddenly remembered, otherwise an 'Oh!' would've been more fitting, some kind of remembrance as opposed to a vague confusion.
@@ShaggyDabbyDank pretty sure this is how sanji read the book .."boring, boring, a fruit that can make me invisible?!" *Heavy nosebleeds* we all know he only wants it for one thing. The only thing that would interest him is where he could find it. There's no reason for him to read about it's weaknesses and why it's dangerous, etc. My man doesn't care.
I don't believe it's concrete enough to count as a plot hole. Also his line to absolom is more for comedic relief.
to me the encyclopedia only say what each fruit does but doesn't necesarily tells you the major common drawback of not swimming
Observation haki was first introduced in skypiea right? Its just called mantra.
It was first named and explored in Skypiea but the ideas behind it fist appeared during Alabasta when Zoro fought Mr. 1.
I feel this this is a good place to leave my opinion that cp9 iron body was armament and luccis ryokyuogan was advanced armament. People without haki can still overpower those with it, seen in Luffy vs boa sisters
@@ewag8950 No. Tekkai is not an armament haki. It's just a martial arts technique. But Ryokougun is. Lucci is confirmed haki user before the time skip.
@@scizoreon4068 i believe that was armorment haki
@@corderrisglass1230 Zoro describes it as the ability to hear the rocks and trees breathing. The ability to strike without cutting. To me that sounds more like observation but he does also mention his will and his swords will becoming one so I can see the argument for armament.
Sanji literally said that he wasn’t super interested in/didn’t believe in Devil Fruits minus Absalom’s as a child, I think that implies that he sort of glossed over the info about Fruit users not being able to swim. The way he phrased it as “knowing it came with a curse” rather than “being unable to swim” adds plausibility to this. Also CP9 was listed as knowing Haki before the time skip in their vivrecards. This implies that things like Rokougan were likely applications of CoA.
Link to CP9 knowing Haki please. I need it for an argument I'm having.
@@domecity It also states that they obtained Haki during the time skip.
I mean... Tekkai was kind of like Haki too right? And Rokuogan was similiar to Ryou
Plus they were CP9, which were the lowest of the CP's
@@Matuterocks The CP9 are actually the second highest among the CP I believe in terms of strength
I always thought CP9 using TEKKAI was just them momentarily using haki - meaning they knew some of it. What do you think?
And licci does that weird fist move right before luffy beats him and it looked just like what Rayleigh did to the elephant which in wano is called ryuo
Its difficult. Man cause this was never confirmed , till time skip
@@JackWiizard or they were taught rokushiki techniques as they differ from haki enough to mean haki and devil fruits can't block them. Giving you secret police with a power to take down anyone. That said Garp knows it too because he taught some of it to Cobi
pretty much what i naturally assumed until learning otherwise...
When he said 5 devils fruits about flight, I think he meant 5 devil fruit types that belong to the Tori Tori no mi class. for example, Pell has the Tori Tori no mi, Model: Falcon. Marco has the Tori Tori no mi, Model: Phoenix. There are probably 3 more Tori Tori no mi fruits.
2 more after the tori tori no mi model albatross
I think he said what he meant and he's just stupid. He didn't say five types of bird, he legit said five fruits that allow flight. I think if he meant to say five types of bird fruit, he could have just said that. "I have one of the extremely rare Tori Tori zoans. Only 5 types!"
That said, if that's what he meant and he was correct that's so stupid. There's only five bird type devil fruits? And one one is mythical? All the while ancient zones are supposed to be more rare than regular zones but we have at least 6 Ryu Ryu users. There's at least 8 dog fruits lol.
There's no need to twist the world around Pell's words or to think he's too stupid to say what he means When you could just assume he's too stupid to know what he's talking about in the first place.
Chopper is a mythical Zoan user by this logic. I think a more reasonable way to express the rarity of some DFs is through accessibility, rather than by raw quantity alone. For example, there is an isle where dinosaurs still exist in OP. If all of the Ryu Ryu group originate there, or were crafted and gravitated towards a certain area, of course they would be rarer within the OP world.
@@michaelbucher9001 for some fucking reason
Tori Tori no Mi, Model: Albatross doesn't give the user ability to fly.
@@magemanne7723 maybe thats just morgans hybrid form
"Sanji has such tunnel vision..." What do you mean unlikely? He was looking up fruits that'll help him get the ladies, and it's kind of obvious that he had tunnel vision.
Ehh... More like him reading books while in prison by his father and wanting to disappear from getting tormented by his brothers.
Well, he literally stated that he already knew about the curse as a kid, which was why he was generally uninterested until he read about the invisible one.
@@obi_oma wasnt it that he said he knew they were cursed? could be that he didnt know what the curse was.
@@firmak2 | But how likely is it that the book would mention a curse and not say what said curse was? If he had such tunnel vision he wouldn’t have even known about the curse anyways, yet he said he did.
@@obi_oma well depends on how you tunnel vision, it could have explained at the beginning of the book, like the first page since the curse is the same for every fruit and he was like " yada jada some curse wheres the good stuff". Makes sense to me, especially if he was a little child back then.
GLR: "Were talking about plotHOLES"
Katakuri: "Doughnuts?"
No Ace
I made one
Ace donut
@@GM.Nobody nooo 😩 you savage
I'm pretty sure the only reason Katakuri's devil fruit was labelled as a "special paramecia" is because mochi is not a natural element. Otherwise, his DF behaves exactly as a logia would.
neither is candy
@@thighcrush3640 candy is filler
@@brunomiguel6156 i know but logia was never defined as elemental it was just portrayed like that
@@brunomiguel6156 the gas caesar clown turns into isn’t natural
But wasn't it one of the points of the Katakuri fight, that he only appears like a logia due to his power of foresight? He moves the mochi in such a way that to an unassuming observer, it seems to behave like Logia, but if he wouldn't do that, he would indeed get hit.
I personally think one of the biggest inconsistencies is Rayleigh never talking about Oden when asked about how they deciphered the Porneglyphs instead saying that Roger read them through the voice of all things
Yes. Very bad writing
He could hear (with the Voice of All Things before he met Oden) but not fully understand them
@@Go_D._Usopp_1997 That doesnt change the fact that they should have at least mentioned him when asked how they deciphered the poneglyphs
@@jayloncollins9681 yes, not having a plot point planned 12 years in advanced is terrible writing
@@nyalan8385 characters as important as Oden should not be made up from thin air this late in the series. Yes it is indeed bad writing.
Always found the plan Gecko Moriah had and his power... Sometimes it works in the sun, sometimes it doesn't
Hi Mr. Freeman. Least moriah had the best laugh.
It works in the sun, the problem is that if the person of said shadow burns under the sun, then the zombie with that shadow dies too.
The inconsistency is with the marines he took the souls from in marineford. Did he cover them with a rug or something? Not shown, just pretty much like "lol I used it"
Wasn't it like this that Zombies can exist in the sun but only the owner of the shadow disappears when sunlight hits him?
@@alecity4877 exactly
@@alecity4877 I thought he took the bodies of the marines in marine ford (not their shadows). He put other shadows (that he probably already had), into their dead bodies. Which is consistent with his powers.
As for Sanjis devilfruit knowledge, it can easily be, that the book only covered the powers, not the drawbacks, or that they were covered in the introduction, and Sanji just skipped it and only looked at the fruits themselves (who would not repeat every time, what water does to the user). It can also be, that he /knew/, but in that moment of triumpf forgot to connect the dots and had to be reminded by Zeff.
I like to think Sanji skimmed over the drawbacks to Devil Fruits (like how he didn't think they were real) and the hypothetical upside to the Clear-Clear Fruit was the only one he gave any serious attention to. It makes sense Sanji's care on Devil fruits would BEGIN and END at *"lets you turn invisible"* - think of the possibilities!
He mentions that no fruit would be worth giving up the ability to swim. Besides THAT one.
@@mitchbs6794 He may have re-learned they have that drawback after the fact.
CP9's Jabra, who was a Devil Fruit user himself, still had many misunderstandings and misconceptions about Devil Fruits. People in the world of One Piece really just don't know what's real or not when it comes to Devil Fruits. It's dumb to say that it's a plot hole or inconsistency that Sanji would not know (or couldn't have forgotten) a minor detail about something he read about years ago that he didn't believe was real. If anything, the inconsistency is that Sanji was probably in earshot of Krieg when Krieg talked about Luffy's weakness to water, and Sanji probably should've noticed that Luffy was doing whatever he could to stay out of the water during his fight with Krieg, and at least should've realized that Luffy can't swim. But even that is all based on assumption and isn't really a plot hole.
@@traductus4566 a lot of these are based off assumptions tbh, there is not many in here that are actually inconsistent.
Wait wtf, I thought Morgans was just a bird that could talk.
he has an albatross df
@@vorial6602 Well he was able to defeat a ciper phol agent in ep 958 so i guess so
Yeah, there are Fishman and furry
I thought morgans was a birdman
Don't forget Paulie from Water 7 was on the brink of death and was suddenly OK to raid Enies Lobby with the Straw Hats
Thats called will not inconsistency lol
I don't think an incorrect statement from a character can be considered a plot hole simply because characters in a work of fiction shouldn't be expected to have perfect knowledge of the world. Whether it was Oda's goal to deliver information to the viewer via that character is irrelevant, a character being wrong isn't a plot hole. For this same reason, Jinbei calling Katakuri's devil fruit by a bizarre classification doesn't present a plot hole either, as devil fruit knowledge in the context of the one piece universe isn't perfect either. Paramecia is ill-defined anyway and seems to be a catch all for devil fruits that don't fit nicely into the more strict definitions of Zoan and Logia.
Also, Morgans cannot fly despite his devil fruit.
This video is just wrong at 90% of it.
@@andrejosue98 yep. I'm glad other people saw the mistakes in this video.
I always thought rubber could be logia, most para fruits usually have a special effect, but rubber seems to behave more like logia
@@RainOn2SunnyDay we have to remember that "people" are still researching about devil fruits, nothing is really set in stone because devil fruits are still a mystery to the people of OP.
This is correct, but I think those people knew this and deliberately use the word plot hole to attract viewers.
10:39 It was theorized by someone that mastering and using Rokyushiki was a way to train the CP agents to acquire haki.
If that were the case, why wouldn’t Rob Lucci, Kaku, and Jabra, who had fully mastered all six powers and even reached evolved forms of their favored art (six king gun, sky slicer, mobile iron body), have it yet? And how would Shave, Moon Walk, or Tempest Kick be useful in learning Haki?
@@LoganWH8 Well, once you've fully mastered all of the six Rokyushiki techniques, it enables you to use the "Six King Gun" which looks similar to the advanced use of armament haki Luffy is currently trying to learn.
So I guess it's when you have fully mastered the Rokyushiki as a whole that you can start using haki.
Which would be why Lucci was supposedly able to use it after the timeskip.
@@Cipher_Paul it makes sense now, since oda ever says that the idea of black colored haki is coming up later after the timeskip, and when garp punched luffy in water 7 and marco in marineford he is actually using busho haki
There's a huge discussion about it, because the ones that hardens the body to defense/offense (finger thing) and the one to evade attacks are easily associated to haki. They could be techniques to train haki, derived from haki, inspired by haki.
And Luccy was even capable of attacking Luffy sending impact without touching him, which could be a stage of that new armament skill we're seeing in Wano. It was always strange how an impact attack could damage Luffy, since he's rubber he shouldn't be affected, unless it was haki.
@@Mkeallison Oh, that's interesting. So it's cannon they're connected, huh? Thank you for sharing!!
A question, where can one read the Vivre Cards??
Greatest inconsistancy is that Garp let Luffy with the Bandits instead of a Marine school
He was probably worried someone like Akainu would kill him immediately.
He would instead change them into pirates
@@hadiakhan6658 imagine dragon picking his nose and throwing the booger at ivankov😂
I'm sure he figured that they'd kill Luffy when they inevitably figured out that Dragon was his son. Don't forget how fucking merciless the navy is in this series. They hunted down pregnant women to find Ace before he was born and they are ready to perform *BUSTER CALLS.* The world governement is not the friend of anyone.
That’s not an inconsistency. Being inconsistent refers to when something contradict with other things; Garp leaving Luffy with the bandits doesn’t contradict with how is someone supposed to be prepare to join the Marine since there is no mention about having required methods in how to prepare someone to become a marine. Also, Marine school doesn’t seem to be a thing: Koby and Helmeppo joined the Marine and become Chore Boys without any requirements or training, they didn’t train until they met with Garp.
The timing on my commercial though. " When sanji said you stole my (Emeril degrassi air fryer)"
How did don creag travel to grand line and come back.
We will NEVER know lmaooo
Maybe he got to Reverse Mountain and got jumped by Mihawk there?
ganesh shetti he hitched a ride with Germa 66 on their slugs.
He went through the calm belt and back
@@faresfares-ultra I don't think he was equipped to travel in calm belt
Speaking of holes
Ace
ffs dude....lol
My dude got donutted like a JoJo’s protagonist
O:
Whitebeard doubleholes
Ajhhh
One of them was getting con D. oriano locked up so he couldn’t join the straw hats like the bars couldn’t hold him back and we all know it but he would’ve been the strongest on the crew and i think that’s why oda didn’t let him join. I call plot armor for kiado’s sake
So, my theory with CP9 had always been that they were kept as a force that was -supposed- to think they were the best of the best, but were actually just the biggest fish in the pond they were allowed in. Yu Yu Hakisho had a similar thing with a group of spirt hunters or whatever that didn't know anything above A class demons existed. It meant that anything A class in below they could handle easily, and were very successful because they they "knew" they were the best, and because knowing how much stronger some things out there were would just demoralize them. Similarly CP9 was only allowed to operate in paradise, and thus what they could do was sufficient to handle anyone there.
Similarly I had always thought that the 6 paths were actually just incomplete Haki. The iron body thing is armament Haki, the finger pistol thing is armament Haki on a single finger, the dodging thing was observation Haki. The speed thing was... well, literally just people being fast, so that's in the same vein, and the air jumping was just a particular application of going very fast. Don't remember the last one, and I admit I don't know how Rob's energy blast thing might fit in exactly, but I had always taken it as an introduction to Haki by people who didn't realize that Haki was an actual thing, and were only able to master a limited form of it.
TL:DR - CP9 was intentionally kept in the dark about the true extent of Haki while being taught limited forms of it.
I read a theory that the reason why Crocodile and Moria did not have Haki during Pre-Timeskip is because their wills are broken.
After being defeated by Yonkos (WB and Kaido) both their dreams and wills were crushed.
Shit I'll take it.
I used to think he was just so badass without it, he pulled a Luffy and got too big a head and challenged Whitebeard, and in turn got destroyed and retreated back to a place where Haki wasn't common, allowing him to stay ignorant of it for the most part. His reputation, and now growing disdain for the Emperors made him the perfect fit for him to be a Warlord.
His competence at Marineford isn't too hard to believe either imo. Luffy wasn't all that much stronger and that point since Alabasta, (remember Croc won 2/3) and he was holding his own too. Crocodile could use his power as more of a disruption tactic and less direct battle, so he could deal pretty well in that field imo.
That would be a nice effect on Haki and character.
Yeah, makes sense. Especially because haki means willpower, so it makes that people who have their wills broken cannot use "willpower"
There's a reason why Crocodile, a logia, got notorious by moving to the entrance of the grand line and bullying rookie pirates, who usually don't have haki.
I mean... Crocodile doesn't strike me as having gone to the new world when he met Luffy. Cos like Bellamy he was so convinced in his worldview.
So, I can believe he stayed in Paradise because he felt it was an easier life to terrorise the first half of the Grand Line than to explore the new world.
I never got the inpression that Crocodile was overly ambitious just eager to have an easy gangster boss life.
So since he never went to the new world. I can believe that he never bothered to learn Haki.
Sabo already know that Ace is one of the Whitebeard pirates, he just realized that it’s his brother when he dies.
This
its because he lost his memory of his time with ace and luffy when he was shot by the celestial dragon as a kid, but the shock of ace dying brought it all back
@@spasdelev1284 "Why didnt Dragon tell him for example?" dragon wasn't around when luffy was young so he wouldn't know he should tell sabo. "Why hasnt he seen the newspaper prior to the events?" maybe he didn't usually read them, kinda like why luffy only found out really late that ace was going to be executed. "Sabo hasnt bee checking any bounties?" why would he? he has no reason to care about pirate bounty's since he's not a bounty hunter or marine.
@@spasdelev1284 the first one would be weirder if dragon did tell him about the son he had almost never seen to someone he didn't know had any connection to luffy, especially since ivan said dragon never talked about such things. The second one is plausible and the third one just makes sense.
@@spasdelev1284 sabo is only part of the revolutionary army, them having such info doesn't mean sabo knows as well.
" And why Sabo suddenly decided to read the newspaper exactly after Ace died?" a huge event had happened that everyone was talking about, I would also be a lot more inclined to read a newspaper at a time like that.
for the sanji plothole it can be easily explained that sanji just wasn’t paying attention to luffy falling into the water, or his brain was just on autopilot and forgot the fact that people with devil fruits can’t swim
Yea or maybe he never read the part where they cant swim, its pretty easy to explain unless one wants to complicate things
Plus he read the book when he was like 6 or 7 years old. No wonder he would forget this kind of details
@@JULIANIZERBeWaReSuCkas the simplest explanation is that Oda forgot he wrote a line a decade ago
@@totallynotacop9728 Naw, impossible. We all know that authors are perfect beings who remember every letter they've written down, there is no reason but malice to leave plot holes and they owe fans their life and soul.
Honestly I've flipped on the implementation of haki being poor. If you really, truly, think about it, it makes a lot of sense how it's been introduced. Oda hardly reveals anything until it becomes relevant to the crew. The suspense and mystery keeps the story interesting and the intrigue/reactions from the characters are more relatable.
It's also important to note just how effective the world government is at controlling the spread and quality of information. The world is heavily divided physically, and the government regulates the few safe ways to travel. They are literally capable of turning events, people, and entire islands to mere legends or rumors at most.
It's safe to say, to keep people weak is the best way to keep them in control. It would surprise nobody if they attempted to monopolize the teaching and training of haki. It would be very hard for someone with no knowledge of it, to effectively train and improve it at any half-decent rate. With that logic, it would naturally be the pirates, a force of anarchy that apposes restrictions of the government, and freely travels and learn about the world from a less filtered perspective, to be the one's that grow in strength and knowledge of the world. Pirates by nature haven't real purpose to share anything either. They're pirates, after all. You can't really blame a self reliant crew of outlaws for keeping their secrets as well as their treasures.
It also makes a lot more sense as to why haki is more prevalent in civilizations like the sky islands or wano, perhaps an attribute to/from going by different names.
I really like this take and interesting point made
It makes sense for certain characters to not know haki, it makes 0 sense for crocodile to not know haki.
I also think they is haki in those places for another reason. They all used be to part of an old kingdom, that we know as One Piece. It was split up by the god of earth 800+ years ago and the descendants of these lands, still pass teachings down.
the copium is real. Im a big one pice fan but haki was a plot hole, no matter hjow you deffend it, like how fodder post haki had it, but whole warlords pre haki didnt.
@@rainbowskin3379 tbf Oda himself regrets using crocodile so early
You can consider that jimbe thought katakuri was a logia user cause that's how it's potrayed at first glance. Had Luffy not realised how katakuri was dodging his attacks, he would've thought that katakuri was a logia type. This is why Jimbei considered him to be a logia. Katakuri wouldn't reveal his secret fighting techniques outside his family.
well you can consider that as perspective.. But Oda in the SBS says he literally forgot how Logia works xD
So he retconned it to Special Paramecia... a lot on the video were wrong though Like Pell and Haki
@@DarkNeko007 | What about Pell and Haki was wrong?
@@obi_oma Pell only said it on a character perspective.. You don't have to take it as a fact..
He literally got his ass wreck by Robin when he said that.. There's more like that in One Piece
@@obi_oma on the Haki thing.. Oda changed it as well.. Since people can't tell when someone's using a Haki.. He added a new one that turns Black..
If you have a stronger Haki.. It turns Black.. If weaker, it turns like Tashigi's..
@@DarkNeko007 | Well first of all, what does getting defeated by Robin have to do with the accuracy of his claim? Second of all, I see your point, but the way the line was delivered was clearly as exposition to the audience. Otherwise, Pell should've been fact-checked by a character in the series. Without this, your statement is just headcanon.
I feel like a slight nit-pick is the fact that Kaido is "The man looking for a place to die" and yet never thought to simply drown himself
Unless it's like some Valhalla thing where he wants to die an epic death or can breath underwater like jack
Its Valhalla type deal, wants to die in battle
@@i_i8924 He's attempted suicide in other ways though
@@Entei9000 the ways he attempts suicide are definitely a bit more "epic" then drowning himself though... so he doesn't have to die in battle but he does seem to want it to be impressive?
We just got an explanation for that haha. But still he probably wants to die in an Epic way.
Kinda forgot I posted this, but Imma just claim the W for the Valhalla theory
Ace is my favorite inconsistency when it comes to his age, Oda wanted Ace to be Roger's son very last minute but realised that the timeline didn't add up from Roger's death to Ace's birth so had to make up some BS about Rouge carrying Ace for 20 months.
I always figured the thing with Sanji not knowing about the nature of the curse is because he forgot the nature of the curse, or perhaps that the devil fruit encyclopedia doesn't explicitly list the exact nature of the curse, because if it did then that knowledge could potentially be used to attempt to combat a lot of marines
True, or maybe since it was such common knowledge, they didn’t feel the need to mention it.
@@shalice7784 that's also true, a lot of the first dictionaries had definitions like "everyone knows what a horse is" so we absolutely can't rule out presumed knowledge that Sanji just never learned
We shouldn't have to make up our own theories bro
@@Djc00lness Yes, you do. The author has finite time and energy and more important things to focus on. He's not a slave who has to answer all of your questions about stumbles in prior releases.
@@lemons1559 not when it comes to basic consistency.
One thing I always was bothered by, was Luffy vs Crocodile. How did Luffy's blood contain enough water to hit him, but not his saliva when he munched on half of him.
blood is about 50% water so there’s that and with the saliva thing i think oda just fucked up. i think that oda makes up how luffy would beat some enemies as he draws it
Maybe luffy was dehydrated so much so even the large gulp of water he had wouldn't suffice.
was the bite in the manga or just an anime fluff attack?
@@masterreaper115 it was on the manga
I think Oda just didn't want the fight in such a weird and yet brutal Way
Luffy just freaking eats the guy alive
I've read somewhere that in an SBS Oda stated that Lucci was using armament haki against Luffy.
Yeah. Blunt force wouldn't hurt him that much without it
With Sanji and his devil fruit knowledge I feel like he read it as a kid, but didn’t believe it so he forgot that users can’t swim. Then during the battle and learning users were real he didn’t even think about the curse. Then later he was reminded of this dream of that fruit because he now knew it was real.
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Since there is no confirmation of the Devil Fruit Encyclopedia’s contents or of how much Sanji has read and remembered about the Encyclopedia, it’s still possible for him not knowing or recalling the Fruits’ weakness and other informations until Luffy’s arrival to the Baratie. There was a gap of 11 years between the time when Sanji read the book to when Zeff told Sanji of Luffy’s weakness to water: it was seen him having the Encyclopedia in his possession was when he was 8 years old in chapter 840, and when Zeff told Sanji about the Devil Fruit users’ weakness was when he was 19 in chapter 66; in chapter 832, Reiju has stated that she hasn't seen her little brother for 13 years, confirming the 11 years gap. In chapter 464, Sanji has mentioned that he wasn’t interested in the Encyclopedia and didn’t seem the fruits as real when he was a kid, that might have been a factor for him to not recalling the informations he had read as a child due to his lack of attentiveness with the book’s contents, since the only Devil Fruit that he was able to identify was the fruit that he has shown interest in it: the Suke Suke no Mi; he should have be able to at least identified some other fruits throughout the beginning of his journey to Thriller Bark, like Luffy’s fruit because that one is on the book but that didn’t happened. Sanji was also confused during the situation with the invisible man in chapter 444, he couldn’t recognize that it was caused by the Suke Suke no Mi until chapter 464, then making it possible for him not recalling or knowing the consequences of consuming Devil Fruit and other informations related to the Encyclopedia due to his lack of interest; and even in things that he was interested. And in the SBS vol. 45, Oda mentioned the existence of the Devil Fruits Encyclopedia but mentioned that only few of those fruits can be identified by shape: the Gomu Gomu no Mi being one of the fews, and there were fruits like the ones Kalifa and Kaku ate that can be only identified by consuming it; which can imply that the informations provided by the Devil Fruit Encyclopedia is incomplete.
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Katakuri’s Devil Fruit having multiple characteristics of a Paramecia: altering the body user, altering the environment, and generating substances; isn’t an inconsistency since there are Standard Paramecia user who have more than one characteristics and there isn’t confirmation that Paramecia users can’t have more than one of those characteristics. It would have been a plot hole if it’s stated that Paramecia users can’t have multiple of those characteristics, but that wasn’t the case. Beside Katakuri, there are also other Devil Fruit users that have various characteristics, such as: Wapol having the ability to change his body and creating new things by consuming it, like how he made a steel named “Wapometal” or combining his subordinates; Doflamingo being able to create strings, and transform non-living things in his surroundings into strings; Bonney can make herself younger and older, also being able to change other people’s ages; or Smoothie allowing her to drain liquid from living and non-living things, then she can make herself bigger and stronger from absorbing those liquids. Which makes the argument inconsistent since it’s proven that there are standard Paramecia users who have more than one characteristic, and because there is no confirmation that standard users are only restricted from just one. And based on the One Piece Wiki, the reason why Katakuri’s Mochi Mochi no mi is considered a “special” Paramecia isn’t because of having multiple characteristics, but instead it’s due to him being able to turn his body into mochi, like any other Logia user due to the retcon that has.
What Pell said about the 5 flying Devil Fruits in chapter 169 will depends on the method of flying which Pell might be referring to, if he was referring to Devil Fruits in general that provides directly or indirectly the ability to fly, then that will be an inconsistency, although if he was referring to zoan devil fruits that allows to fly in the traditional method such as himself, then his argument is still considered as consistent since currently there are 5 confirmed zoan users who can fly: Pell (hawk), Bian (bee), Kabu (beetle), King (pteranodon), and Marco (phoenix). It was stated by Morgans himself that he can’t fly in chapter 872, and it was mentioned in the SBS from volume 93 and chapter 997 that Kaido doesn't fly in the traditional way but instead walks through the air by creating Flame Clouds.
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Before the time skip, there was various moments that demonstrated or mentioned the various usages of Haki, having the term of Haki (覇気) being first introduced in the Japanese version of the manga in chapter 234, when Kurohige discovered Luffy's bounty and before the Straw Hats arrived to Skypiea. Conqueror Haki was shown: during the meeting between Shanks and Shirohige in chapter 434, Luffy stopping Motobaro in chapter 495, Rayleigh knocking out people in chapter 500 and 503, Luffy using it to stop Sandersonia from injuring Marguerite in chapter 519, Luffy knocking out the wolves in chapter 536, or Luffy stopping the executioners from killing Ace in chapter 569.
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Observation Haki was shown: when Zoro dodged the stones falling into him because he knew where the pieces wouldn’t going to fall, and exactly knew where his sword was located under the pile of rocks in chapter 195; Satori predicting Sanji's attack in chapter 246, Mantra is explained and Enel mentioned Shura's defeat in chapter 257, Aisa hearing people's voices disappearing in chapter 264, Aisa using Mantra in chapter 265, Enel heard that Raki said in chapter 270, Ohm heard one voice disappearing in chapter 271, Enel sensing someone in the edge of the island in chapter 272, Aisa telling to Luffy about hearing two voices in the island in chapter 277, Eneru predicting Luffy's attacks in chapter 280, Sandersonia knowing where Luffy was going to attack in chapter 519, or Koby being able to listen the voices of people disappearing in his head in chapter 579. On different occasions, Zoro has mentioned that he can sense Sandai Kitetsu’s curse: one of those occasions being when knew that Chopper was carrying one of his sword in chapter 363, and he was able to sense it since the first time he was it in chapter 97. And if the Kami-e (Rokushiki) has some implementation with Observation Haki, then it can be considered as the various usages of Haki before the time skip.
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And Armament Haki was shown: probably when Lucci used the Rukuogan, a technique that resemble the advanced Haki, in chapter 425; Garp punches Luffy in the head in chapter 431, Rayleigh destroying the collar that was in Camie with advanced Haki in chapter 504, Sentomaru stopping Luffy’s Gatling Gun with advanced Haki in chapter 511, Rayleigh stopping Kizaru’s attack in chapter 511, the Kuja putting haki in their arrows in chapter 515 and 516, Marigold using her tail to effectively damage Luffy in chapter 519, Hancock kicked Smoker in chapter 559, or the 3 Admirals blocking Shirohige’s shockwave with advanced Haki in chapter 564. And if Tekkai and Rukougan (Rokushiki techniques) has some implementation with Armament Haki in it, then it also can be considered as the various usages of Haki before the time skip, such as: Blueno using Tekkai to block Luffy's attack in chapter 348, Blueno blocking many Luffy's attacks in chapters 383 and 387, Blueno attacking with Tekkai to Luffy in chapter 385, Fukurou blocking Franky's attack in chapter 402 and 404, Kumadori blocking Chopper's attacks in chapters 406, 407, and 408; Jabra blocking Sanji's attack and attackin him with Tekkai in chapters 414 and 415, Kaku using Tekkai to turn into a cube and blocking attacks in chapters 416 and 417, or Lucci using Rokuogan to Luffy in chapters 425, 426, and 427.
Crocodile isn’t confirmed to have Haki and it seems like possessing Haki isn’t a requirement to become Warlord of the Sea, as it was demonstrated with the other members with no confirmation of having Haki: Kuma, Moria, and Buggy. Not all the places have Haki as something extraordinarily important, an example will be the entire saga of East Blue, it didn’t have that much of relevancy until in Grand Line: when Zoro used it against Mr.1 and in Skypiea with the Mantra. Something similar thing happened with the Devil Fruits, initially it was treated as not a common thing and a big deal when someone had the ability of a Devil Fruit until the arrival to the Grand Line: like how Alvida’s crews said that Luffy is not a human in chapter 2, Morgan saying that Luffy wasn’t an ordinary human in chapter 6, Nami calling the stories about the Devil Fruits as a myth in chapter 11, Mohji surprised that Luffy has a Devil Fruit in chapter 13, Kuro’s pirates being impressed about Luffy’s powers in chapter 35, same thing happened in Baratie in chapter 52, or Sanji not knowing that Devil Fruit users can’t swim in chapter 66.
In the Vive Card Databook has mention that “the training required for the acquisition of both mantra and rokushiki is akin to that used for acquiring haki”, following by demonstrating a panel from chapter 418 of Lucci using Tekkai to block Franky’s Strong Hammer, which might imply that the Rokushiki techniques are related with Haki based on how some of the techniques has some resembles with the types of Haki: Tekkai with Armament Haki for similar offensive and defensive usages, Kami-e with Observation Haki with both of those techniques used to dodge attacks, and Rokuogan with advanced Armament Haki that creates a shockwave to cause internal damage; and since it has mentions about the training to obtain the Rokushiki techniques are the same as the one to obtain Haki, which means that the agents of CP9 have been instructed on the art of Haki.
Bruh chill
@@ritviktaneja9596 was chill when I was writing it :v
Damn. Gj. Just what I thought but kudos for inscribing it.
Gonna copy and save for future mofos talking shit bout the almost none existing plotholes
Why isn't this comment pinned tsk
I feel like it should have just stayed with Jinbei saying it is a Logia, implying that he always thought he uses a Logia since it looks like one.
Then later reveal it's in fact a special Paramecia...
then there wouldn't have been inconsistency in the plot.
That’s really smart
That's really what I had thought all this time
Katakuri's introduction was him using advanced observation...
Wario your point
@@mastergoku4321 point is him being able to dodge like that makes sense, him knowing advanced observation wasn't even hidden.
tbf for the first one People outside the Grandline probably don't know everything about Devil fruits even Alvida just heard about them as rumors (could just be the product of early writing and wanting Devil Fruits to be more rare - which in the East Blue Saga they were) So it could be growing up in the North Blue and having access to books Sanji read a book about Devil Fruit powers without having a clue about the exact detrimental effects he knows that Devil Fruits can Curse you not exactly what curse that may be. Could have glossed it over when thinking about peeping ... I mean how he'd use the powers to turn invisible for good.
Most of these can be explained. We just need to extrapolate a bit. People just expect oda to come out and address every single thing.
Remember in alabasta when ace faced smoker and said "a fight between us two would never end?" Then haki happened.
what ae you trying to say, neither smoker nor ace knew how to use Busoshoku Haki so.....
Why would Ace, 2nd division commander of the Whitebeard pirates not know armament Haki?
That's not in the manga... filler scene
FiLlEr
@@enzobarbosa1411 It is in the manga chapter 158, page 20. Ace says that fight between us won't get us anywhere. If he knew armament haki by then he would've bodied smoker with ease. So it is an inconsistency.
3:40
You’re forgetting that Sanji was just a kid when he read that encyclopedia, he probably didn’t even remember what the curse was.
I can imagine that Crocodile never bothered to look into Haki because as a Logia user he is by default stronger than a lot of other pirates and was looking for a greater weapon (Pluton) anyways.
He fought against and was defeated by white beard. White beard is a known haki user so croc would definitely know of haki’s existence and how much advantages haki grants its user by that point.
@@hawkotf3524 I didn't say that he didn't know about it. I said that I can imagine that he didn't bother to learn it since he is pretty powerful as is.
Don’t forget when ace met up with shanks and he grew back his arm
that was Anime only lol
There's even 2 Zoro back then
@@DarkNeko007 Luffy's stupidity madd zoro make a clone lol
I always saw Luffy breaking Arlong's sword as one of the first examples of Armament Haki.
Same with the first episode too then..he broke the swords used by Alvida’s crew
Isn’t the whole shanks debacle at the beginning of the series a pretty massive inconsistency? You know, a yonkou losing an arm to a see monster, or getting fooled by a simple smoke screen, etc.
Those have been my thoughts forever 😳
He wasn’t a Yonko yet. A recent episode stated shanks has only been an emperor for 6 years, meaning he was only an emperor for 4 years pre time skip. He lost his arm when Luffy was about 7, so about 10 years before episode 1, 6 years before he became an emperor.
tbf, I wouldn't count Logias to the flight-granting DFs Pell was referring to after what we've seen with Ace and Smoker during the same arc.
I wouldn’t count any non-Zoans, and I also wouldn’t probably count Kaido’s fire clouds as a form of flight. No more than I would count Air-Walk as a form of flight anyway.
I'd say Pell actually meant there are 5 Tori-Tori no mi fruits, which he is right about - there are 3 canon and 2 non-canon models of this fruit
i agree.. with that point of view we can say that even robin can fly.. but her devil fruit is not one that can do that .. its probably on the character on how they use their power.. also morgan is said in whole cake island not being able to fly.. and as for king i would leave it open until we have more clues about his race..
One piece fans - One piece has inconsistencies ?
Jojo fans - first time ?
Jojo doesn’t really have too many inconsistencies, people are just bad at reading.
@@TheAlmightyMoist I know lol
@@TheAlmightyMoist One Piece has almost no inconsistencies, It's just that people enjoy creatong "plotholes" out of their ass to say, this manga is imperfect just like All the other manga, and of course OP is not perfect, there's nothing perfect in manga/anime industry but One Piece still is the very best at Keeping a long story compelling after more than 2 decades of time. You may like or may even hate it but You Can't deny that One Piece's story makes perfect sense arc after arc.
@@badreddinebelabed9156 It's morso impressive that a nearly 1000 chapter long story is able to hold up so strong compared to its Big Four rivals. DBZ, Naruto, and Bleach all fell into a hole as they started to die out with time and began developing plot hole after plot hole. Naruto and Bleach Especially.
Jojo and One Piece are on the opposite sides of the plot hole spectrum
I view the sanji devil fruit inconsistency just like how I used to look at cars in old books. I never read the actual entries, I just looked at the cool cars, and the horsepower, never cared about the displacement, cylinders, weight, or anything like that.
I like this theory. I assume there'd be a preface or something in the book that explains the general idea of devil fruits, what benefits they have and their weakness to water/sea stone, and then the specific details are in the fruit entries themselves. Sanji would most likely skip directly to the entries and look at the cool fruits, then eventually find and read up on only the invisibility fruit which wouldn't have the general weaknesses of the devil fruit since it's already been stated earlier in the book.
Shanks losing an arm is actually the biggest inconsistency
How's that an inconsistency?
@@Dhruv-wv9ck Do you even watch one piece?
@@soniablanche5672 Nope, I read the manga. Currently on chapter 660
I know Oda's been taking his time for over 20 years now but I really hope the manga won't follow the curse of rushed shitty endings especially since the story is going faster now
No. the story is going fast now....just think about it. Pre-time skip. they passed the
first half of the GrandLine...The new world is the Second half
of the GrandLine...And think about it... Punk Hazard ... Dressrosa ... whole cake island...They passed all of these...And they are close to the end of the new world now
...Just add wano and elbaf...and you got it...If you want to know more go see the one piece map....
I doubt it will be shitty
@@motchiman5423 type without "..." please itd cancerous
@@motchiman5423 what are you even talking about?
@@cangirayicel7639 WTF
One piece doesn’t have that many inconsistencies despite its length
unlike a certain lengthy anime...
@@ayo4807 -Cough- Dragon ball -Cough-
Jahidur Rahman dragon ball & naruto💀
Naruto is awful
@@ayo4807 cough cough Jojo's bizarre adventure cough cough
It's possible that when Pell said the thing about only 5 devil fruits being able to grant flight, he was relaying information that he had been told, which was in fact misinformation. There's no reason to believe that everyone within the world of one piece has encyclopaedic knowledge on devil fruits. Thus not a plot hole.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk
(P.S. also worth noting it has now been confirmed that Kaido is not flying, but rather creating clouds that he can latch on to)
That's more of an excuse.
@@fightingmedialounge519 Yeah 100%. It was clearly meant to be exposition for us readers, but I still stand by the fact that realistically there is no reason everyone in the verse should know everything about devil fruits, so the fact that some are spreading misinformation ends up being more realistic. It works out in the end.
@@young_raymond47 yeah, it's not impossible for characters to be wrong about information they have, I just doubt this was an intentional case.
2:30 that's not inconsistency, he could've said "you couldve told me before, I forgot about that!" it happens in real life, we know stuff but don't recall, he was mad because zeff remembered but didnt remember him before
Could it be that Sanji knows the Devil Fruits are cursed but had no context on what the curse was.
then who the fuck proofread that encyclopedia?
mattsimpleasthat you would think the author of that book would know the curse is to not be able to swim. So why not write it in the book all about Devil fruits. Unless he’s a dick and wanted to keep it a mystery.
There is also a possibility that maybe he was so young at the time that he didn’t really read into the curse and since he specifically only wanted the invisible fruit it makes sense.
That makes no sense at all. You write an entire book on fruits and their intricate powers but don't know you can't swim ?
About Haki and CP-9, there's actually a lot of discussion if their techniques aren't actually derived from haki use.
The ones where they harden their body to resist attacks or use their fingers to pierce it could have come from armament training, while the one where they evade attacks like a paper sheet could be observation. Luccy's special attack where he impacts Luffy without touching him could even be the special armament we're seeing now in Wano. Specially because Luffy shouldn't feel pain from an impact based attack, unless it had haki on it.
But yeah, I do agree that haki should have been more prominent, specially with Crocodile. And it's not as if Luffy wouldn't have beat them if they've used haki, OP's fights are not a matter of "who has bigger haki wins".
that's the problem with One Piece fans.. They always think having Haki is some sort of another level where no one can beat
when the series itself introduced them way back then and they weren't even powerful... they just keep dismissing them and label them "exceptions"
Couldn’t agree more with you and the other guy in the thread. To me, Haki is more of a ‘Counter Measure’ for overpowered abilities like Logia or Kaidou.
i still say that Crocodile was similar to Enel, Enel learned foresight but its also an extension of an ability his logia gives him so he had a natural edge to it. However he didnt even remotely know about any other kind. Crocodile was able to kill you if he was able to physically touch you. That ability is op af all the way up to reaching the New world where he most likely never bothered going. Dont forget most of the sichi are considered fairly weak to New world enhabitants. They enforce order in the grandline and regular seas only
Shockwaves would hurt luffy. And isn't shigan basically just poking someone but extremely fast are hard
@@masterreaper115 he was in the New World. That's where he lost his arm lol. He left because of Whitebeard I think. Same with the onion Moria (sorry if I spelled it wrong) He went to the New World, attacked wano, got whooped and left.
Haki was kind of hinted at in Alabasta with the Breath of All Things. Also, I headcanon that CP9 was purposely not taught Haki so that they wouldn't be too powerful, because the World Government didn't fully trust them.
I agree haki seems a bit misplaced, but the way I chose to explain it to myself: haki was always there but only recently we are able to see it visually. Luffy was using haki before without knowing it. Same goes for everyone else.
You missed one very very obvious member who could fly/float. Our fan fav BUGGY sama. Still, good one mate.
Except he was shown to have a limitation: Part of his body must remain in some way grounded. Thus why Luffy had to carry around his feet as they went through Spike Hell.
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No wonder the Roger Pirates were too early, the internet hadn't been invented yet
I found a plot hole during Marine Ford where Geko Moria Took the shadows of the Marines around him to fight Jinbei but the soldiers didn’t ignite into flames (even though it was during the day) like you’re supposed to when you lose your shadow and your exposed to sun light just like during thriller bark
Oda explained cp9 not having haki: they have been undercover at waterseven since adolescence, that's why they have just been taught with rokushiki. That said, there are other hints to haki previous Raleigh's explanation: Zoro cutting mr One at Alabasta is an example of an unconscious form of haki, something made believable by the fact that when Blackbeard meets Rufy at Impel Down he tells him that "his haki has grown" even if Rufy didn't know explicitly about Haki yet. So, we can say that Oda kind of prepared haki's ground well. Even other usual arguments about haki's inconsistency doesen't work: Shanks losing his arm is the most iconic. About that, Oda never wanted Shanks to lose his arm in the first chapter, it was forced by the editors that thought it was a weak first chapter without a dramatic scene. Another argument is Ace not being able to hit Akainu. This has been explained recently with the second level of observation haki, Katakuri's one: Akainu was predicting Ace's shots just like Katakuri has done with Rufy's ones, he just get his body immaterial where those shots where going to land. That's why Ace is surprised when he doesn't hit him, not because he doesen't know you must use haki to hit a logia (he is a logia himself after all). About Crocodile, it's not that wierd that he doesen't posses haki: if you think qbout it, haki is mostly possesed by pirates that are under an emperor, or by marines. That's because those are the siyuation where you get usually taught how to use it. Crocodile was a lone pirate going after the new world powers. It's not that wierd that he didn't learn about haki since his losses against whitebeard'pirates. But after that he just somehow discovered about ancestral weapons and focused on them. If you think about it, previously strong characters without haki that gets their ass kicked in the new world are not rare. Moria is another one. Even a supernova like Bege, which was under big mom, being under her for just a while didn't get to learn it. Like Moria and Crocodile he arrived where he is whit just is fruit. Like I said, those which uses Haki are usually related to marines or emperors (or are incredibly strong themselves) : jimbe learned haki probably under big mom, and doflamingo has been trained, in his childhood, by Vergo, which was an high grade marine. So yeah, I think that haki isn't that inconsistent. A big prove of that is that Oda showed us second level haki since Marineford : second level observation haki when akainu avoid Ace's attacks and when he, aokigi and kizare sense the arrival of whitebeard's ship. And second level armour haki when those three block whitebeard attack creating a barrier posing their hands in front of their bodies.
I'd also argue that there are levels of armored haki, maybe some lower forms that don't coat the weapon black.
I always find it irritating that Enel used pure Gold as a Weapon (!) against Zoro's named Swords & Near Haki Cutting Techniques (iirc it has been kinda confirmed that him being able to cut iron is a level of haki).
"The Warlord has to know about haki" is bs imo simply because of Buggi. Dude won't have haki, too much of a joke character^^
Also, Crocodile was mainly on the entrance of the GrandLine. More inconsistent here would be, that Ivankov knows "Croco's Past". If those two have a history, it is then that I kinda agree with it being inconsistent him not knowing about Haki. Or it is redundant to talk about since he is canonically weakened by any amount of water^^'
With Haki being the Embodiment of Will and the running theme in One Piece being "inherited Will", I'd say it was planned at the start to show that Will can be transformed into a literal Power, for that I refer to Baratie Arc with Redfoot Jeff talking about how Luffy's "Spear of Guts" / "Spear of Will" was stronger than Don Kriegs Arsenal of Toys, before Luffy beat Krieg.
you could also argue that since haki blossoms in battle and cp 9 are assassins who kill major figures who usually have weak protectin, they just didn't have the enemies to get haki
Advanced observation and future sight was used much earlier in the series by Mihawk against Don Krieg pirates
before i watch this video could we just take a moment and appreciate GLR’s hard work, he’s been consistently making entertaining content every single day, good job man keep up the good work!
Respect
*talks about the flaws about in OP"
One piece fans: "we dont do that here"
OP fans: No no l am gonna explain everything in huge ass bullshit texts to prove One Piece is a flawless bible.
Accurate
@@cangirayicel7639 even more accurate lol
@@cangirayicel7639 😂😂😂 fr bro, like I understand you love the series like I do, but even I understand my favorite series (one piece) has a lot of flaws
@@eustasszay608 yeah lol l love One Piece but that kind of attitude is just annoying.
I see Katakuri as an Awakened Paramecia that uses his Awakening to turn himself into Mochi like a Logia, mimicking it
I really like your editing
I am so glad that the first plot hole isnt targeted on me since I am subbed to the grand line review Chanel for daily one piece content uploaded straight into my CZcams feed
Sanji may have never finished reading the section of what these “curses” are. Which I do t think is a leap of logic as you say. Especially since Sanji says he didn’t care for that section
wouldn't the ''iron body'' that the cp0 used count as an use of armament haki?
Nice video. I never noticed any of these. The fact that they are few and far between shows how much love Oda puts into this story.
The way you explained the Sanji one it just sounds like he didn’t know Luffy had a devil fruit.
Except he learned luffy had a devil fruit earlier on.
8:45 Maybe the character only knew about 5 flying devil fruits, he didn't know about the others, so maybe he just assumed and since him being proud is a character trait, he painted his assumption as a fact.
You clearly didn't watch the full video. Like the video says, that was clearly meant as a way for Oda to drop exposition to the readers, NOT the personal opinions or faulty knowledge of a random character that was never seen before or since. That is a clear case of One Piece running way longer than Oda had intended, and he has had to create hundreds of more characters since then, and it's just a blatant inconsistency. Like the dozen others, like power levels and (the lack of) Haki.
@@hylianchriss @hylianchriss I did watch the full video hylianchriss, looks like you 'clearly' didn't see the "maybe" in the start of my comment, that was my theory as to why it may have been so, my personal opinion. Considering that you're not Oda and neither is the person who created this video, you have no way of knowing, so why don't you learn to respect other people's opinions even if you don't agree with them?
I thought that CP9 used haki when they make their bodies like an iron wall or their fingers strong enough to pierce other people
No that’s a different form of ability. Luffy copied their speed increase ability against Blueno before using Gear 2nd
@@KurokamiNajimi buts thats just kicking the ground hard.
Also its not unlikely that luffy just unconsciously used haki to be able to do that, which isnt exactly new since zoro was able to use observation in alabasta unconsciously.
The one he's talking about is not soru, tekkai is the one that makes their body like iron which is already said to be very similar to armament, maybe it's just a lesser version of armament meaning CP9 hasnt mastered haki but is able to utilize it in a lesser extent.
@@zhixci958 It has nothing to do with Haki. Tekkai is them hardening their muscles, which is basically bracing. It’s why they usually can’t move when they use Tekkai. The six powers are all martial arts based. Haki is a completely spiritual thing, Tekkai is a physical ability. They can use Tekkai, then reinforce their toughened body with Haki if they wanted to.
It was perhaps an incomplete haki. Zoro has been able to use incomplete haki since Alabasta.
6:40, he said KNOWN to exist. We both know Oda NEVER uses words willy nilly, he was telling us there are more than the 5 known fruits from the get go, we know how Oda works by now!
(Stretching) could be that Sanji read the encyclopedia and the descriptions said “curse” over and over and he just assumed they all had different un described cueses.
By curse he could’ve also meant just a drawback of the power like the female cp9 character with soap powers cause yeah it was strong but now ur body makes soap when you rub it?? Or the guy who became a giraffe and yeah he was strong as hell but he has to be a giraffe for it lol
most stories and especially anime royally mess up when they declare"there are only X number of this in the world." theres really no point in saying that.
*Artist switches art style*
The community: ah plot holes plot holes everywhere
Sanji said he knew it had a curse but he didn’t knew what the curse actually is.
The sanji one dead ass says “...wasn’t that interested because it didn’t seem real...” I can see oda using that to kinda take back what he said but not completely ya feel?
*Don Krieg travel to Grandline and come back.
*How rookies manage to be present in Roger's execution.
*Grandline is like a point of no return to other blue seas once your inside the Grandline except if your a marine with seastone ship or you can fly.
Maybe the encyclopedia only said that it "comes with a curse" and didn't specify that it's always the same curse. Or maybe it's just an inconsistency
I mean "the OP world knowledge" of devil fruits is pretty low, remember than in East Blue a lot of people were surprised when luffy simply stretched himself remarking that a LOT of people didn't know that even DF were real, most of the knowledge of the fruits come from the users, a lot of them don't share it so slightly and a lot of users are pirates so having records about DF must be really hard.
Oh man.. ok so I love your videos, you know this bro!
However,
1. I feel like it was implied when Pell mentioned devil fruits that allowed flight, he was talking about Zoans since, well.. he's a Zoan.
2. There is only 5 Zoan Devil fruits that allow flight atm.
3. Big news Morgans is not a mythical Zoan.
4. Big news Morgans stated himself that he can not fly ( for whatever the reason, that doesn't matter since he told us that he can't )
5. Kaido can't fly. He uses clouds to walk on just like Momo. Yes, it may look like he's flying, but he's not.
Therefore,
Pell
Bian
Kabu
King
Marco
5 flying Zoan Devil fruits users
( If someone wanted to make the argument that he meant only 5 devil fruits in general, I suppose you could however, we literally have the 5 right here.
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Such a respectful way of putting it.
Seems you forgot karasu.. The crow dude
Plot Hole in this Video: Perona has to leave her body to fly like Shiki...
She seems to master flight, with her main body after the 2 year time skip. But that could potentially just be her ghost form, and her body was hidden somewhere else lol.
How did she carry Zoro to Sabaody in her ghost form?
@@Feferedon THAT would be the plot hole. because the way her powers were established in Thriller Bark was that she could only fly in ghost form. or maybe she and Zoro just borrowed Mihawks little boat... ;)
@@Feferedon the anime included brief flashbacks of perona's ghosts blocking zoro's *ahem* _detours_
Kinda like brook
The "5 flying fruits" one is my biggest. Thank you so much, any time i ask anyone about it, no one remembers. I wondered if i even heard right. This proved i did. Thanks
i think for sanji, he probably never saw another devil fruit user until fluffy. it's like reading about titration and how the solution suddenly turns clear, then doing the experiment and being surprised by the solution being clear
Hold on grandlinereview! I thought it was confirmed that Morgans was flightless ?
I'm reading Whole Cake right now and you're correct. Just read that chapter an hour ago! He even says it aloud to that government chick just to make the peril of the falling tower more understandable.
I feel with the sanji thing is just tunnel vision, all he cared about invisibility lol
i will say tbh sanji only says “curse”. doesn’t explicitly state he knows each DF has the same curse IE not being able to swim. perhaps he thought the specific curse for this fruit was you couldn’t swim and other fruits have different curses. but in all honesty that’s just not the case it’s just an i consistency lol