Why Shohei Ono is the greatest judoka of his time | Travis Stevens and Lex Fridman
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arguably the most dominant athlete in their respected sports in the last decade, 101 wins 10 losses in his career and he hasn’t lost a match since 2014,2015
He lost one match in team versus Germany in 2021. but yeah still super impressive!
Ono is to Judo like Carlsen is to chess. At a level when even other masters are like "yeah, that guy's a freak"
I've seen this technique so many times in slow motion, I never noticed some of the details that Travis points out. Wow, these professional judo coaches and judo competitors have crazy observation skills.
Worth noting that Miklós Ungvári was 37 when this match happened, and he still went all the way to the finals with Ono. Shout out to him as well.
What are you talking about, this is Round One of the World Championship. Got eliminated on his first match.
Ungvari is legend. He was already a world medalist when I was a kid, now I’m 33 and has just recently retired from competition while one of the top judoka in the world. I don’t know anyone else who’s stayed active in high level judo for that long. Greetings from Karachay, North Caucasus!!!
Shohei Ono is the MJ of Judo!
I was jumping on my couch from joy when he had his 1st fight in the Olympics. Lol
Judo is harder than wrestling
-Khabib Nurmagomedov
I'm a brown belt in judo and a purple in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, an I've never seen such beautiful technique!
You must be an outstanding grappler
He's just so versatile and unlike most judokas, he doesn't even have a signature throw... he just has such a good osoto gari, uchimata, tomoe-nage that he can easily transition from one to another during kuzushi and it's just impossible to get away from.
That and he is insanely strong. I'm sure if you measured strength of throws across all the weight classes, he's probably P4P the strongest by far. Sometimes, it just looks like he's throwing guys 2 weight classes lower in terms of how they can't get away.
Insane strength + perfect form on all his throws + unstoppable transitions = GOAT
There is a documentary where they dexa scan him for muscle mass. Turns out he has the same muscle mass as an 85kg judoka. He is 73kg. Also his hamstrings are disproportionately larger compared to the rest of his body because of his uchi mata.
This was awesome, thanks Travis!
What a fantastic commentary ... very well explained .. Can sense the admiration of Stevenson for the Ono
The more I see judoka videos the more I think of them as superheroes
1, I think it's great that lex is giving JUDO the respect it deserves, without which there would be no BJJ, another fantastic sport/martial art. 2, I had the privilege of watching Travis at London 2012. 3 Travis very wisely highlights the brutal strength of Ono, there is some comments on CZcams regarding his powerlifting technique by coaches,he's better than anyone they've seen outside their discipline, the great players that Japan have produced just through their skill never gave you the impression they had chimp like strength, even though they did and I'm not saying Ono is not brilliant technician, he is simply superb.
This is awesome I love that not only are you talking about Judo but you brought on Travis!
omg that was jaw dropping awesome !
Judo/bjj nerd here. This is gold!
Incredible analysis...
there's a great video by Sika Strength analyzing his S&C program. Really insightful for anyone interested in strength and conditioning
Judo is such a beautiful martial art! I'm just to old to take the beatings that come with it
Shohei's judo would not pass white belt exam:
- Hips too high
- Foot too low
- Changed his mind mid-throw
- Didn't take a full step back
- Didn't roll with the opponent to the ground
Dude is a total newbie. Failed to get his blue belt from your average academy judo coach.
yup he won't being 2 time olympic champ means nothing
@@kipchika5989 hahA yup. Loved listening to Travis s description.
Learn the rules like a professional so you can break them like an artist
That is the stupidest thing I've heard all day..
You can’t practice to defend against that uchimata. That’s a problem presented by very few judokas. The key here is that Travis mentions Ono’s opponent was in 100% defense mode which at that level rarely ends in ippon. Yet this one was devastating. Also, when he says Ono is freakishly strong the first element of that is, and will always be GRIP. Not his build or snatch or deadlift. At the highest levels, judo is a grip contest. It is many things beyond that, but it’s irreducibly essential element is (as in elite wrestling) grip fighting.
PS: shake hands with Dan Gable or John Smith or Jordan Burroughs or David Taylor sometime. Just for the experience. Give it everything you have just for fun. You’ll lose the use of your hand for awhile but it would be worth the experience. In like fashion, and never having shaken his hand, Ono undoubtedly has a grip that’s three standard deviations beyond the mean, too.
オリンピックチャンピオンの１人、野村の握力は35kg
thats wild
For me what set apart Ono from everybody at -73kg was his freakish force beside his technique. In this uchi mata you can see the potence to pull his oponent in. Its unreal.
Straight sorcery.
I'm Japanese and I feel ashamed that I didn't know the guy....I just knew that through Lex's podcast....
Ono does some power lifting, and it's understandable how he can throw his opponents at will. He snatches several times his body weight, so you can figure out that his opponents are light compared to what he lifts when training. If someone in his division can Powerlift as much as Ono then they might have a chance but his skill is also unparalleled. If you want to know who gives him the hardest time in competition as of late, it's An Chang Grim of Korea. Love your application for judo Lex.👍
snatches and clean and jerks are weightlifting movements not powerlifting. but yes, ono is freakishly explosive; and he got there through weightlifting lifts.
That's Olympic weightlifting, not powerlifting. Powerlifting would probably not be that helpful for judo. Bodybuilding would probably be more useful to injury prevention.
@@woodeokyi9053 Sure, I'm just pointing out the correct terminology. To anyone who does a lot of strength and conditioning, they are very different things. Getting "bodybuilding" and "weightlifting" mixed up is like confusing "judo" with "jiujitsu".
You are wrong about bodybuilding -- this is VERY useful for athletes. Bodybuilding exercises are generally low weight / high reps, with an emphasis on muscle isolation (rather than the full-body coordination used in powerlifting and weightlifting movements). It is very important for injury prevention and also injury recovery. Most S&C programs of high level athletes use some combination of weightlifting, bodybuilding, and powerlifting movements.
@@woodeokyi9053 Isolating exercises are commonly used in S&C programs to fix or prevent muscle imbalances. That being said, you are 100% correct in saying that they can also CAUSE muscle imbalances too if the S&C regimen is poorly designed! But the same is true of compound exercises too.
By the way, another characteristic of bodybuilding workouts that I forgot to mention is that bodybuilders typically have more variation than powerlifters in their routines, as that (along with the relatively high reps / low weight) helps induce hypertrophy. For an athlete, that may or may not be desirable; it depends on the sport.
He can't really snatch "several times his bodyweight". I've seen some vids of him snatching 90kg that look decent, a bit wobbly but defnitely an easy pull. He could probably hit 95, maybe 100 at a push, but definitely not several times his bodyweight. I'm not sure what you'd define as several, but I'd say at least 2x bodyweight, and even some of the strongest pound for pound lifters of all time struggle to snatch above 2x bodyweight. Naim Süleymanoğlu is probably one of the best pound for pound and only snatched 2.45x his bodyweight.
THE GOAT
I still like to watch old Judo footage in black and white though 😂
bring shohei ono to the podcast!!!!
Can Ai come up with this idea like in Chess Go ?
u mean just throw the king off the board? lol
There is a documentary where they dexa scan him for muscle mass. Turns out he has the same muscle mass as an 85kg judoka. He is 73kg. Also his hamstrings are disproportionately larger compared to the rest of his body because of his uchi mata.
this channel has so many subs but so little views. kinda strange.
I think Lex has the most views on his more scientific and cultural interviews, its not really a judo channel or anything.
Watch the Olympics when he pulled off foot sweep to win 😅
Sweet, two experts are stuned just by seeing someone doing real/traditional utchimata instead of sporty spice competition shit...
That seems like a very arrogant and condescending comment to make. I think the main point here is that from a biomechanical standpoint, that throw shouldn't have worked, but Ono's sheer strength, intuition and athleticism made it happen. You disagree, but don't explain why.
Thats not a traditional Uchimata..... lol
@@Bl2EAKIN i disagree, it works just as it should. Traditional Utchimata is not an upward movement of the leg (like usually seen today) but more like a kick to the rear. It has therefore different way of working but works very well as you see in the Clip.
@@teovu5557 yes, it is. Traditional Utchimata has no upward movement of the leg to lift the opponent but a kick-like movement to the rear. What would you see as traditional utch?
@@denisseitz9577 I'm not sure how traditional that is, because he obviously put a lot of effort into this throw and I think "traditional" judo is about using the least amount of force possible to make this happen.
Aside from that, uke was in a defending position throughout - low center of gravity, bent knees, stable - yet he still got thrown through sheer force and momentum, along with a timely placed technique. This is what I meant when I said that Ono is just a physical specimen, aside from being a skillful judoka. I think there are numerous recounts both from other players as well as online saying that Ono is ridiculously strong for his weight category.
All in the hands
Judo is great! However it is "triceps", not "tricep". The plural would be biceps as well, unless you want to say bicipites or smth
How about Teddy Riner?
@@64wy4x8s Apart from the weight division issue that is already highly debatable, Ono can't compare with Riner who was world champion at 18 and has a unique resume in the history of judo: 10 world championships and 3 gold medals. How can we doubt Riner the status of GOAT? He is regarded as such even in Japan. If Riner was Japanese, there wouldn't be any debate.
@@ericolivier75 I think that depth of competition needs to be taken into account. While Riner has had longevity coupled with consistent success, it’s in a weight class half as deep as Ono’s
Yamashita had 203 fights and never lost one, 7 draws, Big teddy has a considerable size advantage over his competitors.
if you listen to the podcast they talk about Teddy. And in a way, Travis makes a good point, in that Teddy is great competitor for his weight class because he simply over dominates because of his size within the 100+kg category. Whereas Ono are beating guys who are heavily more skilled and faster, in comparison to Teddy's competition in the 100+kg.
It's a rough comparison, but think of Shaq. Sure he's supremely bigger and stronger than everybody on the court, but his skills isn't the comparable to Jordan. Again... rough comparison.
@@JoeMcK10000000000000 I agree with everything you say, and no one will challenge Riner's competitive achievements anytime soon. But I do think most Judo commentators will take into account that a) Ono's weight category is much deeper and more competitive than Riner's, b) Ono's ippon rate is so much higher (even if we ignore Riner's pre-2013 performances which had substantially different rules), and c) Ono doesn't outweigh most of his opponents, and has beaten people who later migrated to 81kg and did well (like Sagi Muki).
To bad they watered down judo with the no leg grabs it's basically made judo even if you can call it that any more so restricted one would have to ask why you would even train judo any more.
Kodokan Judo has it all, you're confusing the modern "Sporting rules" with the actual self defense system. lol
Double leg takedowns,leglock and other banned sport locks are still required done in kata and are required for promotion for higher belts. and not everyone competes in IJF rules nor competes at all.
how does he look super skinny lol lex won't last 20 secs with Ono ...
Teddy Riner … the numbers would say he was the best Judoka of all time!!!
By titles, yes, no one can compare to Teddy.
But it's not a fair comparison, the O100kg weight category is not very competitive compared to Ono's category, which is probably THE most competitive weight division on average. Also, Riner outweighs a lot of his components, an advantage that Ono doesn't usually enjoy. And Riner doesn't have as high of an ippon rate compared to Ono, even after the 2012 rule change.
They are both great competitors, but the competitive dynamics are so different that a straight comparison isn't very meaningful. Heavyweight is unique in that good competitors can have unprecedentedly long periods of dominance (see also Karelin in Greco Roman wrestling, the heavyweight with 13 Olympic/World medals of which all but one were golds).
I'm sorry but rishod sobirov was more technical and less physical than ono...