The Mystery of the Scorpion 16 | Nostalgia Nerd

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  • Try sponsor Readly and get 2 months free! readly.me/nostalgianerd ~ Think back to Bad Influence Series 3, episode 13. It was aired on CITV, on 1st December 1994, and it featured an array of things; a 32X, Sega Saturn, but most curiously a Scorpion XVI, otherwise known as a Sega Scorpion or Scorpion 16. This Sega Mega Drive & Genesis clone console was such an unexpected and mysterious artefact, that it stuck in my mind for years to come, and I wasn't the only one. But just as suddenly as it appeared, it vanished, without a trace. So, let's get to the bottom of this mystery and take a look at a Scorpion console, in the flesh.
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  • @Nostalgianerd
    @Nostalgianerd  Před 2 lety +118

    Thanks for watching folks. I hope this cleared up any intrigue you've held for the past couple of decades! Also, if you'd like to try sponsor Readly and get 2 months free, then the link is readly.me/nostalgianerd ~ much obliged.

    • @erugurara8235
      @erugurara8235 Před 2 lety +4

      Sponsor page dont conect.

    • @sergeleon1163
      @sergeleon1163 Před 2 lety +1

      Funny outro struggling to get the neckless off, though if rights would have permitted it a song from the band the Scorpions would been very fitting to that.

    • @MrTaxiRob
      @MrTaxiRob Před 2 lety +2

      didn't Hong Kong based businesses use Ltd. suffixes?

    • @Christopher-N
      @Christopher-N Před 2 lety +2

      I'm not into this streaming stuff, but I can appreciate how space is a premium and physical mags takes space that big box PC software and cartridge clam shells could be occupying instead. This *Readly* sponsor bit was interesting to watch, especially _The Ultimate 90s Collection._

    • @Christopher-N
      @Christopher-N Před 2 lety +1

      @@sergeleon1163: Scorpion reminds me of NOD from the original _Command & Conquer._

  • @mikec.8604
    @mikec.8604 Před 2 lety +178

    the necklace gives you:
    +3 poison resist

    • @PaulBadman
      @PaulBadman Před 2 lety +11

      you mean +3 blood poisoning and green skin

    • @xyzconceptsYT
      @xyzconceptsYT Před 2 lety +1

      Is that a Gaunlet ref?

    • @PaulBadman
      @PaulBadman Před 2 lety +1

      @@xyzconceptsYT no a cheap necklace reference

    • @xyzconceptsYT
      @xyzconceptsYT Před 2 lety +1

      @@PaulBadman Geez got me excited there for a sec. 🤣 I was thinking of the Amulet buff in gaunlet.

    • @MrDazzlerdarren
      @MrDazzlerdarren Před 2 lety +1

      @@xyzconceptsYT I'd say a Diablo 2 ref (very timely given the remake)

  • @seamusoblainn4603
    @seamusoblainn4603 Před 2 lety +321

    Shout out to Andy Crane, Violet Berlin, and all the people who brought us Bad Influence 🤠

    • @superfurryfox1
      @superfurryfox1 Před 2 lety +17

      Better yet, bring it back. Gamesmaster is being bought back later in the year night as well go all the way

    • @Trollhammer0210
      @Trollhammer0210 Před 2 lety +20

      I had a massive crush on Violet back in the day. Remember her being on another games show much later and still had the crush on her..

    • @blacksunshine7485
      @blacksunshine7485 Před 2 lety +6

      @@Trollhammer0210 Yeah I think the show was Gamepad on bravo or something..

    • @superfurryfox1
      @superfurryfox1 Před 2 lety +3

      @@Trollhammer0210 back in the day... Glad I'm not the only one

    • @danpreston564
      @danpreston564 Před 2 lety +5

      Oh wow, Violet Berlin. There’s a name I haven’t thought of in many years.

  • @michaelpassmore9369
    @michaelpassmore9369 Před 2 lety +193

    I'm in awe at just how much detail you have found for this video. I was impressed at the backlog info found in magazines but going to Violet and Bad influence team is simply astounding. You sir are a legend of the gaming scene and I take my hat off to you!.

  • @philjohn2649
    @philjohn2649 Před 2 lety +56

    Gary Smoke, Golden Scorpions…this episode has it all including a genuine 16bit banger of a tune.

  • @SonicDcer
    @SonicDcer Před 2 lety +188

    Here in Argentina, they sold a clone identical to that one there, but it was called SONGA, the only difference was the front label, few of my friends still have it, tested sega cd and virtua racing on it and they work fine.

    • @MarioSanchez-fm1tf
      @MarioSanchez-fm1tf Před 2 lety +11

      Aguante la Songa 2 vieja

    • @dawicked2k8
      @dawicked2k8 Před 2 lety +4

      Jugemos La SONGA Playstation

    • @nekoeko500
      @nekoeko500 Před 2 lety +4

      I saw it, but never thought it was actually a Genesis/MD clone, rather a "family" with SEGA looking casing at the time

    • @Sairot247
      @Sairot247 Před 2 lety +1

      La Songa era de los mejores clones, aunque se que también se vendía bajo otros nombres

    • @paxhumana2015
      @paxhumana2015 Před 2 lety +5

      @Alejandro Javier Asenjo, honestly, it would be far easier to get a Tech Toy made Sega Genesis/Mega Drive than it would be to get a Songa Sega Genesis/Mega Drive clone console.

  • @JonGallon
    @JonGallon Před 2 lety +46

    2:33 The presense of Sega via Tectoy here in Brazil didn't stopped Dynavision (a well known Atari 2600 and Nes clone manufacturer here in the past) to sell the Megavision, a Mega Drive clone that probably shares the same hardware of the scorpion one.

    • @Unnamed1990
      @Unnamed1990 Před 2 lety +7

      Actually the Megavision and Scorpion are different clones internally as they copy different Revs from the Megadrive.
      A more similar if not the same clone as the Megavision is the Nasa New 16 bit or other Model 1 replicas that use the same bootleg chips.

    • @aleksazunjic9672
      @aleksazunjic9672 Před 2 lety +9

      Come to think of it, systems like these did not harm profit of the companies like Sega or Nintendo. Console manufacturers usually do not make much profit from machine itself, instead they milk customers on games. So, if Scorpion did not come with bootleg cartridges, they actually helped Sega to penetrate more market, especially late in the game when 16-bit consoles became somewhat obsolete (mid 1990s) .

  • @nodarkthings
    @nodarkthings Před 2 lety +93

    Always a good day when a new Nostalgia Nerd video drops. Bought the Master System when it was released here in the UK. Same with the Mega Drive and they hold a great deal of nostalgia for me. Indeed, I have just done a shop around Waitrose with the Streets of Rage soundtrack on my headphones, longing for simpler times. Never heard of the Scorpion 16 so looking forward to watching this tonight!

    • @RWL2012
      @RWL2012 Před 2 lety +2

      I watch some of his videos but there are lots of good channels out there.

    • @adamjones8503
      @adamjones8503 Před rokem

      Mega drive crew!

  • @eclipse.Alkosoof
    @eclipse.Alkosoof Před 2 lety +13

    that street of rage intro. OMG how good it is! my eyes teared up.

  • @DenilsonSa
    @DenilsonSa Před 2 lety +22

    That console gives an opportunity to see the secret message in Mickey Mania, when the console somehow turns into another region.

  • @lewbaloo7770
    @lewbaloo7770 Před 2 lety +77

    Damn, Streets of Rage has amazing music

    • @JoeStuffzAlt
      @JoeStuffzAlt Před 2 lety +5

      That drove me crazy owning a Genesis. So many games had awful music, and there was a good explanation. I forgot who made the video. There was an audio converter/maker of some sort, and the result was that awful "rrrrrrrrraaaaannnngggggg" that the Genesis often had. The SNES version often sounded better.
      When they fine-tuned the audio, the Genesis's music could actually sound better than the SNES (example: Maximum Carnage) since it had an actual synthesizer chip instead of the SNES's wavetable.

    • @JoeStuffzAlt
      @JoeStuffzAlt Před 2 lety +7

      Update: Game Sack mentioning Gems in his video "The Worst Sounding Sega Genesis Games"

    • @atrocity3010
      @atrocity3010 Před 2 lety +3

      @@JoeStuffzAlt It's not that the GEMS driver was incapable of making good music, but that most composers didn't know how to use it well. Earthworm Jim is an example of a GEMS-driven game with awesome music.
      That being said, almost all of the games on Genesis that had great soundtracks did not use GEMS.

    • @DavidArcher_
      @DavidArcher_ Před 2 lety

      Yeah, er, I got completely distracted. We were supposed to be comparing something, I think?

    • @nickwallette6201
      @nickwallette6201 Před 2 lety +3

      @@JoeStuffzAlt Funny thing about that wavetable - the reason SOR sounds so good is that it _isn’t using the synth chip_ as much. Er, to be more specific, it isn’t using as much FM synth, but instead relies heavily on the PCM channel.
      I.e., it’s using a software version of the sample-based system in the SNES’s SPC. ;-)
      The SNES would sound a lot better if it had a bit more memory. The SPC was a complete processor that ran its own code and had its own RAM - but only 64KB. It was typical to use half of that for the DSP effects, so that left 32KB for all audio engine program code, the song data, and the samples. Which is just barely more than nothing, so you ended up with very low quality, short, tightly looped samples. It is possible to stream sample data, in which case the SPC can sound like a slightly crippled CD audio player.
      The Genesis can stream PCM as well, but there’s a fundamental issue with the way data is transferred by the Z80, which means it’s really hard to have sampled audio playing for more than a few milliseconds without interruption - which is why so many games have that scratchy broken-up sound to them.
      TLDR: FM is the dog’s breakfast. Samples are sweet. But both SNES and Gen/MD had their musical hands tied behind their back by lackluster architecture.

  • @josephfranzen5626
    @josephfranzen5626 Před 2 lety +10

    Woke up feeling like death this morning, this is the first thing all day that has made me smile

  • @adamsfusion
    @adamsfusion Před 2 lety +29

    I think the Scorpion was probably stopped at import rather than SEGA going out to meet them. They probably filed a complaint noting that their intellectual property was being violated and the company likely didn't exist in in the Companies House registry. The importer would have been required to show up and claim the goods in addition to making some legal statements that they aren't selling those products. They probably didn't do that, so the UK held onto them for some period of time and then sent them to be destroyed.

  • @97channel
    @97channel Před 2 lety +26

    I remember seeing a piece about these on Central News, I guess around 1994. A guy in Leicestershire was somehow responsible for either making or distributing them, I can't remember which. He was a proper garden shed empire, and he had struck a deal with Beatties to stock them. Indeed, they were on the shelves in my local store. They were retailing for an amazing £39.99 for a base unit without a game, don't know if it came with any controllers for that price. There was some hoo-ha over them, and they stopped selling them after a few months. But a nearby rebel indie store struck a deal to stock them, which featured in a second Central News report, and you could find them there for a couple of years or more.

    • @flibblesan
      @flibblesan Před 2 lety +10

      "Guy in Leicestershire" makes sense since the unit in this video came with a Telegames branded PSU and Telegames used to be based in Wigston just south of Leicester. Was probably them that distributed it under a different company name in case of legal problems.

  • @Eddies_Bra-att-ha-grejer
    @Eddies_Bra-att-ha-grejer Před 2 lety +50

    27:48 At that point most TVs sold in the PAL countries took 60hz just fine. Some didn't take NTSC color making it black and white, but that wouldn't be a problem if you used RGB anyway, and most of them did take NTSC color.

    • @Larry
      @Larry Před 2 lety +29

      My TV couldn't take a NTSC signal, but I had a VHS player that could and converted signals on the fly, so I just ran import consoles through that!

    • @Oldgamingfart
      @Oldgamingfart Před 2 lety +9

      @@Larry My telly couldn't do NTSC 3.58 either, though you could gain the feature by having an 'option board' fitted by the dealer! There was even one that enabled analogue free-to-air satellite! Those were the days..

    • @Mageman17
      @Mageman17 Před 2 lety +8

      That’s our experience with PAL TV and signals here in the Philippines (we use NTSC). We couldn’t exactly discern the difference in resolution or the 50hz rate, but PAL signals being in Black and White has always stuck with me.

    • @TheDemocrab
      @TheDemocrab Před 2 lety +6

      As an Aussie, the cheap mono-audio CRT TV from kmart I got when I was a kid did NTSC perfectly fine but my current 4k TV misses the colour signal which I get around via using a RGB to HDMI upscaler for anything that old.

    • @Nostalgianerd
      @Nostalgianerd  Před 2 lety +13

      At that point, TVs owned by most households were models they'd had for a number of years, or picked up cheap from Radio Rentals, and I can tell you now, most of my CRTs from that era will not take 60Hz.

  • @spectr__
    @spectr__ Před 2 lety +17

    Funny, here in Brazil we had a strong official Sega presence... but before that, my first videogame was a DACTAR. Basically the same thing but cloning an Atari 2600.

  • @blackhawks81H
    @blackhawks81H Před 2 lety +8

    Dude, your video topics are incredibly meticulously researched. Being well presented doesn't hurt either. Thanks for the work you put in.

  • @mattburkey
    @mattburkey Před 2 lety +11

    Incredible, I actually remember watching (and still have on VHS somewhere) this episode of Bad Influence. This really was a trip down memory lane :)

  • @moserfugger6363
    @moserfugger6363 Před rokem +3

    The 90's were such a great anything-goes-era. So much new exciting stuff being developed and talked about. Even those bootleg consoles, which always had this aura of mystery surrounding them. It simply was an amazing time to become a videogame fan.
    Greetings from Germany :)

  • @nathankaye1577
    @nathankaye1577 Před 2 lety +19

    I absolutely love this channel. I remember going into computers shops every Saturday morning to play on the Sega Mega Drive when I was 12/13. Absolutely a 90s Nerd 🤓😁

    • @nellsun2521
      @nellsun2521 Před rokem

      I used to envy the blokes that worked in my local one. I remember playing Sonic just after it was released; along with Space Harrier 2 and Altered Beast; wishing I had access to a collection of more than 8 games.

  • @HardWhereHero
    @HardWhereHero Před 2 lety +13

    I gotta give it to Sega, I always liked the design and color scheme of their consoles much better. However, I owned a NES and SNES due to the exclusive games and better controllers but I still absolutely love the Genesis, MD and Saturn look

  • @jumhig
    @jumhig Před 2 lety +17

    I have a Scorpion in the original "simple" box, so this story is interesting to me.

    • @blacksunshine7485
      @blacksunshine7485 Před 2 lety +7

      I'll give you a hundred million rupees for your scorpion medallion! Or ten deutschmarks

  • @Unnamed1990
    @Unnamed1990 Před 2 lety +101

    The second connector in the Kw-501 was allways unpopulated when it was fresh from the fabric, actually King Wei never put the second cart connector to make the console for cheaper, if the retailer wanted to sell the console with built in games, they had to solder the cart slot by themselves, thats why is very uncommon to see the second cart slot, aslo the Trap door was a later feature, aswell as the hole in the back, these where implememted later for future board revs that had the switch for the 50hz/60hz mod and to make the built in games feature easier for the retailer.

    • @Nostalgianerd
      @Nostalgianerd  Před 2 lety +27

      Interestingly, the internal board (which is actually a 503 from '95) suggests that the console on Bad Influence (with trap door) is an earlier model than mine (without)

    • @Unnamed1990
      @Unnamed1990 Před 2 lety +29

      @@Nostalgianerd Thats a yes and a no actually, the shell of your Scorpion is actually from an older rev that the one seen in Bad Influence, but the board is newer.
      The Trapdore was the second last mod done to the mold, the last one being a second hole next to the MegaCD port for a redesing all in one Region Switch, but this was never implemented in the Kw-501 family and the hole is left unused, in their 520 series (wich are just model 2 copies) they have the all in one Region Switch that was meant for the 501.

    • @zdemolowanyrabin
      @zdemolowanyrabin Před 2 lety +4

      Ten sam model występował w Polsce w połowie lat '90 pod nazwą "Power Pegasus" 👍

    • @Ndlanding
      @Ndlanding Před 2 lety +4

      @@zdemolowanyrabin You don't say!

    • @freedustin
      @freedustin Před 2 lety

      @@zdemolowanyrabin Kup teraz!

  • @Resimaster
    @Resimaster Před rokem +2

    Great video. I always wondered about the console after seeing that episode of Bad Influence. It's amazing you managed to get Violet involved too!

  • @thcollegestudent
    @thcollegestudent Před 2 lety +19

    20:22
    I never get tired of that theme, goose bumps every time, even with this uh, oddly mixed version lol

    • @notarabbit1752
      @notarabbit1752 Před 2 lety +3

      Its been so long I don't remember the music in the sense that I could hum the tune, but as soon as it started I could *feel* it

    • @Gatorade69
      @Gatorade69 Před 2 lety +1

      I have Sega to thanks for me liking industrial/electronic music.
      Yuzo Kushiro (spelling ?) made some great music.

    • @RWL2012
      @RWL2012 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Gatorade69 Koshiro

  • @victorlgcarvalho
    @victorlgcarvalho Před 2 lety +14

    The distorted bass sound was a very commom problem with all Mega Drive clones.
    The sound of the original, with the headphone port is unbeatable. I still have mine, and love it dearly. I used to boot the Mega Drive just to hear the soundtracks!

    • @Nostalgianerd
      @Nostalgianerd  Před 2 lety +3

      Such a good sound.

    • @mantizshrimp
      @mantizshrimp Před rokem +2

      YM2612 a.k.a. OPN2 is a legendary chip

    • @inthefade
      @inthefade Před rokem +1

      @@mantizshrimp Yep it is surprisingly capable, Yamaha developed it alongside the famous DX-7 keyboard though it isn't completely compatible. It has four operators instead of 6 if I'm not mistaken, but fully multitimbral, which is awesome. People still build DIY FM synths with it and sell kits.

    • @malachigv
      @malachigv Před 7 měsíci

      Eh, the headphone jack has an annoying buzzing sound on all models I’ve teated

    • @victorlgcarvalho
      @victorlgcarvalho Před 7 měsíci

      @@malachigv never had such issues.

  • @boblowes
    @boblowes Před 2 lety +6

    I remember seeing the Bad Influence episode at the time, and then saw a Scorpion 16 in the flesh in a game shop outside Glasgow, circa 1997. Couldn't quite work out what it was, but really wish I'd bought it at the time.

  • @Whenitraveltheworld
    @Whenitraveltheworld Před 2 lety +6

    This was a fantastic video, watched it from end to end and you certainly put my mind at rest since watching that Bad influence episode all those years ago. I did look them up on ebay from time to time and like you said its normally 350GBP + now for one.

  • @xeroker1985
    @xeroker1985 Před 2 lety +9

    Really enjoyed the video. I must be getting old and jaded because I’m far more interested in this stuff more than the legit console themselves. I recently tracked down a sega flashback HD console after watching your in depth review. I stopped myself asking why would I not just buy an original mega drive for the same price. I came to inclusion that the emulation from cartridges excited me more than to re-experience the original software and hardware itself

    • @h8GW
      @h8GW Před rokem

      Save states are a bloody blessing for the 8 and 16-bit era when stuff was still Nintendohard and you might not even have a save option.

  • @RetroSegaDev
    @RetroSegaDev Před 2 lety +7

    Quality stuff! I was hoping one day you might cover the Scorpion! I'm shocked to find out the hatch in the bottom for the built in game never worked!

  • @ratykat
    @ratykat Před 2 lety

    Great video! Always wanted to know more about these after seeing the bad influence footage years ago!

  • @awanderson
    @awanderson Před 2 lety

    Cool product. Thanks for taking the time to put together the video.

  • @xyzconceptsYT
    @xyzconceptsYT Před 2 lety +3

    I loved this throwback to a lesser-known retro device. I started out with the OG Sega Master System 1 here in Aus, oh the memories.

  • @WhitekidCvsual
    @WhitekidCvsual Před 2 lety +9

    The research and time you’ve put into this, added up to something fantastic fs. I’m from the U.S. and have never heard of the Scorpion systems til this video.

    • @nathankaye1577
      @nathankaye1577 Před 2 lety +4

      Same here, I'm from the UK 🇬🇧 and never heard of it.

    • @MaxW-er1hm
      @MaxW-er1hm Před 10 měsíci

      Yeah I'd seen the Scorpion famiclone before but I never saw this bad boy, and I cannot believe just how much information he dredged up over such a obscure topic.

  • @wisespectre1796
    @wisespectre1796 Před 2 lety +2

    The best content you create are these documentary type of videos. Not saying that the other content is bad, just that you are good at doing research and then putting together these videos. Well done! I'm from Argentina and here we had lots of Famiclones and Genesis/MD clones. I happen to own a MW-500 one, and I've seen a lot of similar Scorpion clones, mostly under different names, one of them being "Pegasus" as you mentioned. They also sold those big 6 buttons 3rd party controllers separately.

  • @AFourEyedGeek
    @AFourEyedGeek Před 2 lety +14

    Damn that music on SoR2 gets me, I still love listening to it, but when compared to the VA4 it doesn't sound good enough, I'm glad you tested it.

    • @souljastation5463
      @souljastation5463 Před 2 lety +6

      I'm the kind of guy that usually cannot tell the difference between original and emulated sound, but this I could certainly tell, the Scorpion was unbearable, and to think that the Mega Drive 2 is even worse than this.

    • @Unnamed1990
      @Unnamed1990 Před 2 lety +4

      Its very strange actually because in my Kw-501/Scorpion XVI the stereo sound is allright without the muffle and distortion problem.
      My best guess would be that is because the one from the video is a Kw-503 one of the last revs made around 1996, wich maybe could explain the worse sound as the console got cheaper and cheaper compared to my 1993/17 Magic 2 Kw-501

    • @AltimaNEO
      @AltimaNEO Před 2 lety +1

      Yeah a little more static then I'd like

    • @kaldo_kaldo
      @kaldo_kaldo Před 2 lety

      @@souljastation5463 Some model 2's are worse, but not all.

  • @binarydinosaurs
    @binarydinosaurs Před 2 lety +3

    Interesting, I watched this because I'd never heard of the Scorpion, but at the same time discovered I have a KW-501 in my collection. Always wondered why the badge was pink! Amazing detail as always :D

  • @hblackburn5580
    @hblackburn5580 Před rokem +3

    I got chills from nostalgia of late nights with cheap beer and even cheaper weed, playing Streets all night. That game's song slapped so hard, I went to listen to it after this video!

    • @Insectoid_
      @Insectoid_ Před rokem

      How old goes that make you ;) I’m guessing about 5-10 years older than me

    • @nellsun2521
      @nellsun2521 Před rokem

      3 cans of special brew on Friday night yeah? Meet you at town centre.

  • @MADmidway
    @MADmidway Před 2 lety

    I can not believe the music sounded that good. I'm so floored right now!
    Thank you for that amazing experience!
    Madvizion from San Antonio Texas

  • @RockRedGenesis
    @RockRedGenesis Před 2 lety

    Great Video, I too remember the episode of Bad Influence! with the Scorpion 16. It was cool that you spoke with Violet about it, she always seemed cool.

  • @bushidobrown9857
    @bushidobrown9857 Před 2 lety +5

    Streets of rage's music is still GOAT to this day 😍😍

  • @acid3129
    @acid3129 Před 2 lety +9

    yep i remember these my dad got me one from BHS when i was 7 he would have his friend come over to our house every month with a bunch of games and let me pick one to play for the month i always ended up with road rash 2 or mega bomberman i had a JVC Videosphere in my room so i spent many nights infront of a space helmet shaped black and white tv

    • @TheRealColBosch
      @TheRealColBosch Před 2 lety

      When did TV designs get so damn boring!? Okay, I mean, I know it's when they didn't have to wrap their case around the enormous CRT, but still. They're all just black rectangles now. Bring back wild designs!

    • @OldMan_PJ
      @OldMan_PJ Před 2 lety +1

      Did yours come with a scorpion necklace?

    • @acid3129
      @acid3129 Před 2 lety

      @@OldMan_PJ I don't remember I think it was one of the early boxs I don't remember seeing this box

    • @aleksazunjic9672
      @aleksazunjic9672 Před 2 lety

      @@TheRealColBosch When TVs became cheap commodity available to the masses.

  • @gingertom64
    @gingertom64 Před 2 lety +1

    Another excellently produced game history video.

  • @georgehartigan31
    @georgehartigan31 Před 2 lety

    I 've got to say that i absolutely love your channel! I am fascinated by the history of the videogame industry in general and i find your topics of research amazing!

  • @superspudgun
    @superspudgun Před 2 lety +3

    I had a Scorpion 8, and was later given a still-boxed Scorpion 16 (which I've still got sat in it's box in a cupboard). When I bought the Scorpion 8 from our local games shop (the now sadly defunct "Chips" computer store) I remember being told about the next Scorpion console - the Scorpion 32 which would have been a SNES and Megadrive all-in-one system (presumably named the 32 because two x 16 bit consoles = 32). I'm not sure that would have even been possible at the time, and I've never found anything online about it so chances are it never existed - but would have been cool at the time if it did :)

  • @garrycowan4394
    @garrycowan4394 Před 2 lety +5

    The flash of the our price shop brought back vivid memories of squandering the a fast proportion of my meagre wages on tapes and vinyl in it every Friday

  • @merman1974
    @merman1974 Před 2 lety

    That's a fascinating video, really well made and such an interesting story.

  • @aleksazunjic9672
    @aleksazunjic9672 Před 2 lety +2

    Come to think of it, systems like these did not harm profit of the companies like Sega or Nintendo. Console manufacturers usually do not make much profit from machine itself, instead they milk customers on games. So, if Scorpion did not come with bootleg cartridges, they actually helped Sega to penetrate more market, especially late in the game when 16-bit consoles became somewhat obsolete (mid 1990s) .

  • @IcarianX
    @IcarianX Před 2 lety +3

    I remember seeing one of these in some random shop in Ireland in the early 90s. One of those shops that sells tvs, vcrs, hoovers, washing machines, and has a small games cabinet. Always wondered what exactly it was, and why I should want one over a proper Megadrive.

  • @louiseogden1296
    @louiseogden1296 Před 2 lety +3

    I remember Beatties! They sold a lot of D&D books and I was always in there after school windowshopping...

    • @dangerotterisrea
      @dangerotterisrea Před 2 lety +1

      Great department store, so many cool toys, games and electronics!

  • @WrestlingWithGaming
    @WrestlingWithGaming Před 2 lety +1

    Dude, great video. I never even heard of this thing. Great research too.

  • @Ironlord2015
    @Ironlord2015 Před 2 lety +1

    Ha ha, a shot of my home town Bolton at 5:45 (alas what a dump it is these days). That's exactly how I remember that view of Dixon's and Muckdonald's from back in the 90's. It was a booming town back then, but sadly these days there's just nothing here any more, and we've not even got a GAME store now I noticed the other day!!! Great memories from Bad Influence though, from a far better time in my life at least!!
    Cheers NN!!

    • @foxtrotluna
      @foxtrotluna Před 2 lety

      The Game is inside Sports direct now! Absolutely bizarre. I came into the comments because I recognised my home town too. Agree it’s a dump now sadly :(

  • @P5ychoFox
    @P5ychoFox Před 2 lety +6

    I clearly remember watching that episode and thinking the trapdoor idea was good. We already had a Mega Drive 2 though.

  • @MyPalJimbo
    @MyPalJimbo Před 2 lety +3

    I'm very impressed with your zoom and enhance abilities just like from movies. Well done.

  • @bobbus_74
    @bobbus_74 Před 2 lety +1

    Interesting video. I vaguely remember the Scorpion from Bad Influence but have never seen one in the flesh.

  • @B33FY2011
    @B33FY2011 Před 2 lety +1

    I remember seeing this on the Bad Influence episode. It brings back so many memories of being a 9 year old sat in front of my TV watching CITV after school. I don't ever remember seeing or hearing anything else of the system after that episode.

  • @DeadnWoon
    @DeadnWoon Před 2 lety +6

    In the post-Soviet countries there was also a memorable clone called Mega Ken, they even made their own video games-dedicated TV show.

    • @Nostalgianerd
      @Nostalgianerd  Před 2 lety +2

      MEGA KEN. What an incredible name.

    • @DeadnWoon
      @DeadnWoon Před 2 lety

      @@Nostalgianerd The company or trademark was called Kenga. There were 8 bit consoles Kenga Ken Kid (typical NES clone) and Kenga Ken Boy (cartridge slot was in the joypad), as well. czcams.com/video/mI7u4_qJVJI/video.html
      czcams.com/video/AT7qNxlaTsI/video.html
      czcams.com/video/DJUWSFJQcEw/video.html

    • @vladdx
      @vladdx Před 2 lety +1

      Exactly, Mega Ken was my first gadget

    • @DeadnWoon
      @DeadnWoon Před 2 lety

      @@vladdx There was a TV show on Ukrainian TV circa 1995 on, I suppose, the national UT-3 channel. They directly said that "now we would be reviewing the games for Mega Ken" and I always used to wonder back then whether those were the same games as for Sega Mega Drive or some other ones.

    • @alanshaw6451
      @alanshaw6451 Před 2 lety

      The new " Mega Kenski"

  • @armisg5664
    @armisg5664 Před 2 lety +5

    The Aito branding was definitely the best one, as "aito" is Finnish for "genuine".

    • @Gatorade69
      @Gatorade69 Před 2 lety +2

      Ha, that's funny. Looks like they just removed the T from the Taito logo.

  • @garethward8123
    @garethward8123 Před 2 lety +1

    Just to say - I was exactly the same and have been aware of this through Bad Influence all those years ago! Wow, thanks for covering this rare pirate console on your channel! :D

  • @fistfulofgamepad
    @fistfulofgamepad Před 2 lety +1

    Very interesting video. I remember seeing this on Bad Influence too and was intrigued by it and wondered why I could never find it in any shops here in the uk. The addition slot for a built-in game and multi region capability made the 10 year old me think it was a possible Mega Drive beater. Very interesting about the additional cart slots.

    • @not_my_fn_real_name2689
      @not_my_fn_real_name2689 Před 2 lety +1

      I think that back then, a fully comparable system with minor sound differences and built in support for carts from around the world woudl have done the trick as the Mega Drive beater (or in my case the Genesis beater), even without support for a second cartridge.

  • @Eos_Galvus
    @Eos_Galvus Před 2 lety +3

    It's pretty nice there were options on the UK's High Street; growing up here in the States it was all but impossible to find clone systems anywhere until the early aughts/mid aughts due to US Copyright laws. That said, I did listen to this on headset and as interesting a curiousity the Scoirpion is I do notice the Scorpion's sound was not great compared to the Mega Drive. It sounded like it has the same issues a headset might before one earpiece goes out, and I find that disappointing. This seems like a rather neat little clone!

  • @ynotplay
    @ynotplay Před 2 lety +3

    Just so you know in that article. that guys name is Dave. Yeadon is the name of the town. my home town in West Yorkshire it's in Leeds. Ps I remember as a kid finding lots of copy consoles in the leeds market crazy to look back now wish I grabbed one.

  • @Sonicdude10
    @Sonicdude10 Před 2 lety

    I want to thank you for opening this machine up to show us the insides. I have been an astute Sega guy since I was a kid in the 90s. I first learned of this machine in 2006 and the 2nd cart it supposedly had. I then spent 7 years trying to both learn about this feature and get my hands on one to see how the 2nd slot functioned. I was unsuccessful. Not even ASSEMbler Games forum could help me. (You remember that place, right? RIP...) I had given up. Thanks to the shot of the PCB I now have my answer 15 years later. It runs in parallel with the primary slot.
    Thank you good sir. Now I can rest easy knowing I no longer need to hunt this machine down to figure it out.

  • @jasonorriss
    @jasonorriss Před 9 měsíci

    Never heard of the Scorpion so this was a fascinating watch. Excellent content as always.

  • @pgj1997
    @pgj1997 Před 2 lety +6

    Just to make it perfectly clear, there are some legit good clone consoles out there that do provide major quality of life improvements to the original hardware.
    Native HDMI inputs, better input latency, an AC adapter that doesn't take up an entire power strip...
    You just need to know where to look.

  • @charlorme9155
    @charlorme9155 Před 2 lety +4

    I had a version of this but without the scorpion label but made in Taiwan. Bought it in South Africa in 1993 as I could not afford an original. Funnily the shop was Telegames (same as the power transformer label lol !). But it came with a seperate 4 in 1 cart. So being a clever bugger I told my mother to warn the shop about these fakes and to shut me up, they gave me a free game (also a knock off !) ps: was peeved when I got SF2 only to realise that the pads were NOT true 6 buttons!

  • @jonnyharket
    @jonnyharket Před rokem

    Great video. I remember seeing this on Bad Influence too.

  • @snoopius2004
    @snoopius2004 Před 2 lety +2

    Hi, I'm Dave who wrote that letter to Mean Machines Sega. 👋

  • @Unnamed1990
    @Unnamed1990 Před 2 lety +26

    You should try get it to 60hz NTSC, is a very simple mod in this clone, and makes for a great multiregion Megadrive alternative.

    • @alexojideagu
      @alexojideagu Před 2 lety +2

      No way would I mod a rare console and damage its value. There are tons of ways to get a cheap 60hz chinese console or just emulate them.

    • @Unnamed1990
      @Unnamed1990 Před 2 lety +1

      @@alexojideagu Well the Kw-501 isn't a rare console by itself the only thing that makes it rare is the Scorpion badge.

    • @alexojideagu
      @alexojideagu Před 2 lety +1

      @@Unnamed1990 yeh but this IS a Scorpion Console lol and very few exist. One on Ebay right now is going for £750.

    • @Unnamed1990
      @Unnamed1990 Před 2 lety

      @@alexojideagu Well i mean the mod is just like in the original and all parts are compatible with the original, so i don't see why it would be any risk

    • @alexojideagu
      @alexojideagu Před 2 lety +2

      @@Unnamed1990 Collectors are very very anal, they want things exactly in original condition. That's why with many antiques you should not get them restored. I gaurantee if you mod this the value would plummet. One of the only exceptions are things like Atari Lynx and Game Gear with new screens and capacitors, due to the difficulty.

  • @VidweII
    @VidweII Před 2 lety +4

    We never had such hardware/gaming focused television here in the states. I'm frickin'
    jelly.

    • @Gatorade69
      @Gatorade69 Před 2 lety +2

      There was that show on Nickelodeon though they didn't really talk about hardware and were more about games.

    • @Marc_Araujo
      @Marc_Araujo Před 2 lety +1

      @@Gatorade69 Nick Arcade

    • @not_my_fn_real_name2689
      @not_my_fn_real_name2689 Před 2 lety +3

      There was one before school show I remember that was a game show. At the end, the winner (winning team maybe, it has been close to 30 years, maybe even more) got to run around collecting gaming hardware/software (which back then was also hardware). I wanted that NeoGeo so bad...

  • @LVPB
    @LVPB Před 2 lety

    Absolutely fabulous job friend keep up the great work 👍

  • @dannydarbon8844
    @dannydarbon8844 Před rokem

    Great episode - didn’t know this was even a thing

  • @VaterOrlaag
    @VaterOrlaag Před 2 lety +11

    It's funny how past cheap knockoffs are now pricey collector's items.

    • @snarkasticdouche3863
      @snarkasticdouche3863 Před rokem

      This wasn't a cheap knockoff though. It was an unlicensed hardware clone.
      Speaking of, "licensed clones" were absolutely a thing back in the early home console generations. The console companies would license the hardware out to companies that could distribute products to countries they basically didn't want to bother with.
      They would often have proprietary cartridges and accessories that would be incompatible with other systems.

  • @F7GOS
    @F7GOS Před 2 lety +4

    I've been waiting for a quarter a centaury to find out why my copy of SMGP went black and white 😂 A question I forgot I wanted an answer to looong long ago..

  • @SuperLucasBros
    @SuperLucasBros Před 2 lety +2

    Ah retro game tech, one of my favourite channels from yesteryear. Hope he comes back at some point

  • @darsis
    @darsis Před rokem

    I saw that episode on TV and here we are, almost thirty years later and the mystery has finally been solved! Thank you!

  • @Mmmm_tea
    @Mmmm_tea Před 2 lety +3

    have that second cart slot soldered on, plug in a cart to sdcard reader that would be awesome !! switch on the huge games collection or plug in cart to play a single game

    • @boheyo
      @boheyo Před 2 lety

      That's pretty much what an Everdrive is, a cart with an SD slot and a menu.

  • @mondo8946
    @mondo8946 Před 2 lety +3

    We really do need to find out who this Gary Smoke is…

  • @Daveyj666
    @Daveyj666 Před 2 lety

    Longtime lurker, love your videos, always very insightful.

  • @snmd88
    @snmd88 Před 2 lety +2

    20:36 omg that's my jam, SoR soundtrack is timeless.

  • @JonMichaelDeShazer
    @JonMichaelDeShazer Před 2 lety +6

    21:00 This theme song is clearly an homage to the song Sadeness by Enigma. Same key and the percussion is identical:
    czcams.com/video/4F9DxYhqmKw/video.html

    • @SleepingCocoon
      @SleepingCocoon Před 2 lety

      a bunch of koshiro's SoR stuff cribs really really heavily from other music, often unapologetically - it's really good stuff (and fantastic use of the sound hardware), just clearly stolen hahaha

  • @BobMonkeypimp
    @BobMonkeypimp Před 2 lety +23

    RIP Sir. Clive Sinclair.

  • @stopwearingwatches
    @stopwearingwatches Před 2 lety

    Thanks for this, I remember the episode of Bad Influence at the time!

  • @cashmoney8464
    @cashmoney8464 Před 2 lety

    That was fantastic Sir! Thank you!!!

  • @David315842
    @David315842 Před 2 lety +3

    It's awesome that you contacted Violet Berlin about the Scorpion, though she couldn't remember much about it. :) However, what isn't so awesome was the shout out to Larry Bundy Jr. Channel Awesome is not so awesome as we all know following allegations of sexual abuse against women with the channel. :(

    • @Thekalistor
      @Thekalistor Před 2 lety +1

      Come again?

    • @David315842
      @David315842 Před 2 lety +2

      @@Thekalistor Look up 'Channel Awesome Not So Awesome' controversy from 2018.

  • @Unnamed1990
    @Unnamed1990 Před 2 lety +5

    King Wei Electronics made around 5 different models in the Kw-501 family, that is not including all the variants with different mods built in.
    In 1994 when the Scorpion XVI was allready out King Wei allready made a new clone to replace the Kw-501 named the Kw-502 wich had a different shell desing, and in 1995 the Kw-503 and Kw-504 where allready out.

    • @Nostalgianerd
      @Nostalgianerd  Před 2 lety +2

      For some reason it passed me by, but this version actually has a 503 board inside it. Would be interesting to know how many of these boards were swapped around different shells.

    • @Unnamed1990
      @Unnamed1990 Před 2 lety +2

      @@Nostalgianerd That actually doesn't happens quite often, is actually the first Scorpion XVI i see with a wrong rev inside, the Super Bitman is the best example that comes to my mind, but all of those had the last shell molds used.
      Yours has a 1994 Kw-501V wich i think was a 50hz/60hz UCS model, but inside is a 1996 Kw-503 board with an unpopulated infrared receptor, is just very strange actually.
      Actually it looks a lot like a Super Bitman, as they often sold both models at the same time, so they had Kw-503 and 504 boards with unpopulated infrared receptors for Kw-501 shells

    • @Unnamed1990
      @Unnamed1990 Před 2 lety +2

      @@Nostalgianerd Aslo that could explain the distorted sound issue yours have, as my 1993 Kw-501-II has no such problem, sadly i don't have a Kw-504 or a Super Bitman for test to see if all of these later models had such problems.

  • @willrobinson7599
    @willrobinson7599 Před 2 lety +1

    Great video.. I remember hearing about it on bad influence but never seen one in any high street or independent shops by me

  • @CTRIX64
    @CTRIX64 Před 2 lety

    Ohhhh! Busting out the Philips 'Your TV' 2. It's the small details which count... and this is one of them ;-) Great video!

  • @LillyP-xs5qe
    @LillyP-xs5qe Před 2 lety +4

    "you can tell the quality of a product based on the number of screws"
    So that why all the Nintendo stuff come with a bazillion screws...

  • @elixyr83
    @elixyr83 Před 2 lety

    Great video mate. I had one of these up until 2013. Wish I'd never let it go.

  • @bes03c
    @bes03c Před 2 lety +1

    Now I am nostalgic for Bad Influence, but I have never seen it before.

    • @cjtquk
      @cjtquk Před 2 lety

      I think all the episodes got uploaded onto a channel somewhere from vhs tapes

  • @romoto9579
    @romoto9579 Před 2 lety +1

    Thank you for the great content!!

  • @BlackburnBigdragon
    @BlackburnBigdragon Před 2 lety +2

    Man. I had almost forgotten how banging the music from Streets of Rage was. I haven't played that game since I was in my early 20's, back in the 90's.

    • @goldcd
      @goldcd Před 2 lety

      Yuzo Koshiro (and his SoR music) is on Spotify - if you fancy a bit more nostalgia

  • @fikrizainudin6376
    @fikrizainudin6376 Před rokem

    During 1994-1995, I'm just a kid from Malaysia living a tween life in sub city of Swansea, Wales, tried to convinced my dad to get me a Megadrive for my birthday, because being influenced by this kid from Brunei, who's I keep hang out at his place to play Mortal Kombat 2 & Eternal Warrior. Long story short, my dad knew about it & also ask me why Megadrive was better than my NES (which he bought randomly at Carboot sale). Eventually what I got was Scorpion 16 console (which I believe my dad bought this from Carboot sale too) with 2 controller plus Outrun & Sonic 2 games. At first I was skeptical about the console on why it's written 'Scorpion' not 'Sega' but still looks like Megadrive 1. Like any curious kid, it took me a weeks of research through magazine to know this console & even ask couple kids at school about it but most seems surprised to hear about it as well. It only went knowledgeable when I ask around this fellow from Action Console (can't recall his name btw) that he was explained about my console was about, which lead me to get my decent copy of Eternal Warrior afterwards.
    Today I still keep it for years & recently playing again during COVID quarantine phase because after return to Malaysia in 1996, most Megadrive games in Malaysia were Japan region but since Scorpion was multi-region, it was a win-win situation for me beside not having to buy Japan region console but also got try more Japanese exclusive games that weren't available in UK.

  • @GLockStarlinerNumber1
    @GLockStarlinerNumber1 Před 2 lety +1

    That was a really good and infomative video. As I never knew The Scorpion 16 Existed. I want one now LoL

  • @alexandermeisinger9478
    @alexandermeisinger9478 Před 2 lety +1

    At 26:18, when you mentioned the missing dip switches, you can see the capacitor on middle left with 2x3 soldering points on it's side. Those were the hardwired jumpers for region lock of the MgaDrive I. 2 switches, 5 wires a scalpel and a solder iron... and region free was available on all machines. And some needed a bit modification to the slot lids. Back in that time I modified about 50 machines in exchange for a game

  • @TheInfiniteMiseryJumper

    Dude, that old photo of One Step Beyond...spending hours in the SNES queue, that Amiga area upstairs, buying my first Master System, the colour-coded stickers for different prices, mega nostalgic!

  • @yandman26
    @yandman26 Před rokem

    What I love about this is the six full size button joypad, that's really cool. A version is being released soon, but the top buttons are smaller.

  • @MichaelDrought
    @MichaelDrought Před 2 lety

    What an awesome dive. Thank you

  • @BlackChristmasAsh
    @BlackChristmasAsh Před rokem

    This was a great video. I live in Colorado USA, I never heard of this or seen it as a kid. I enjoyed this.