Patti Smith on a world with no labels | American Masters
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On July 31, 1997, Patti Smith shared her thoughts on the 70s rock and roll scene and how Lou Reed of the Velvet Underground inspired her as a young girl in South Jersey. Interview conducted by Timothy Greenfield-Sanders, director of "American Masters-Lou Reed: Rock And Roll Heart" (1998).
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Proper icon. Love her so much!
Patti was just interviewed on Julia L. Dreyfus’ podcast. She’s a true sage!!
I want to live in that kind of world too, Patti. Love your soul 🖤
Love Patti
just do your thing and don't worry about labels. Labels will come n go but if it changes you then you were never about the art
I haven't seen her since the seventies. Cool
Patti smith Unique ,depth of evolution pain and freedom .shes like an Einstein soul ❤❤❤❤😘
Bravo Patti!❤👏👏🏽👏👏🏽
Wow she fuckin cool af
Agree 💯especially as to the label ‘masters’
Gloooooria!
Labels only exist to sell product; stay true to your vision & don't worry about superfluous stuff.
*It always seems to be the media who feels it necessary I suppose to do that. Coming up with the terms, these names to describe people.*
American hero
Yes!! ❤️🔥
Then maybe the word “artist” is a label too. Have a catalogue of things with labels is the best way to identify and understand new things. This is particularly true in music, although some people talk about “post genre-ism” to try and sound like intellectuals, they have no idea how useful these terms are, and how they can pinpoint hyper-specific musicalities, in a way that would be tremendously hard to verbalise. Labels are how we make sense of things.
Agreed, but I think she is specifying gender in music. I think it's the stereotypes: women singing for women vs. men singing for men. Music is universal. Also, an artist doesn't want to be confined to one label. An artist is an explorer, not someone making the same thing over and over. It's why, in my opinion, I wouldn't call myself non-binary or non-gender confirming. These labels affirm that there's a separation between men and women, while true to an extent, we are all humans at the end. Gen Z values representation, and I do think it's important to recognize the artist. It's the debate between what's more important: the artist or the art? I just think they are both important to have. But I have related to people who don't look like me, so we don't have to look alike to understand each other, hence why Patti Smith is against gender labels because of stereotypes.
this is true
this is true
I'm an American Artist! And I have No Guilt!
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Je jtaimeuuuuuh 💌🐘✨🐘💌
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He made good points!
He? I'm guessing/hoping that you're joking. 🤔
@@jacobmetz3267 SHE!
@@tdjakes121 She? That sounds like a label. 🤔
More like *It*
Good laaawd what was that 😱
So true, she is geniune, stop this new rascism and new labels that's mainstream nowadays
How could calling Jim Morrison a _"male singer"_ possibly be considered *racism?* You people force the term into everything imaginable.
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Artist's love to be labeled. "artist" is a label. Just tell them, "You're not an artist." They will dispute that vigorously no matter how bad an artist they are. Categorizing things is knowledge. Defining something is knowing something from what it's not. "There needs to be no label, no matter what that particular "calling" is." This is word salad she's regurgitating.
I’m glad you’re not afraid it pick this apart. I personally disagree with her, and it’s tough to make a statement that would apply to “all artists”. I’m sure you can find plenty of artists that are perfectly fine with defining their music by a genre name or are okay with being called a female vocalist. I honestly think it has more to do with the illusion from the point of view of the creator when they feel mislabeled. The critics notice a pattern, then they put a name on it, yet the artists are convinced of their own uniqueness and will rationalize all day why the critics are wrong.
Congrats on missing the point. If you knew Patti Smith at all you would know what she means. All her life Patti has wanted to do a plethora of things - all of them being arts. Photography, writing ; in writing a million different kinds, painting, sketching, singing, producing, songwriting. She doesn't wanna be one thing, she understands that the word artist encompasses a number of notions. That's what she means by not liking labels. Once you start labelling, it gets crazy and confusing and it's no more a reflection of knowledge - you look stupid doing it. If someone is JUST a painter, sure. She wasn't. She did everything. Her peers did everything. Performance and fine arts. All of it. And it makes sense why she wouldn't like labels.
Oh and if the woman with a national book award is serving up word salad, I would gladly devour.
@@raurvish No. I've got the point. The very fact that she can't distinguish a real artist from a con artist like Andy Warhol is one of the key telling points. To address your reinterpretation of what she actually said, it indicates that she's never heard the term "Renaissance Man" or "Universal Man" or Multi-talented, Jack of all Trades or Triple Threat which are all common terms for people that excel in a multiplicity of disciplines.
@@raurvish A national book award? Wow! Now nobody has to think about what someone actually says.
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Patti Has The Po🦋🕉️🌾🎶☂️🙏🏼🐻❄️
Labeled = have a narrow idea of what is another people
I think Patti looks more Grunge than Punk. She's a Capricorn 🐐 born during the year of The Dog 🐕 as was Elvis Presley😊.
You're saying she looks like a dog??
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They call Morrison a corpse.
🤗 Have for a long time.
I can't stand labels at all..everyone wants to be so important & it's all about how everyone "feels" more than ever & labels are used to define oneself and eachother & it's ridiculous. Just be who u are and live and let live. Letting everyone know how u identify or feel label wise is unnecessary in true reality.
I still find comments on her music videos like "best female singer ever"
First: does it mean she's worst than the male singers??
Second: what does it even mean to be the best??? Its art, you could say she is your favorit, but the best??? Why??? What about the other singers??
Oh puhleese... why make up some silly issue like you did when none exists? There are enough problems in the world without searching through an innocent sentence to invent one.
paper thin jesus freak, rock on soul sister!
This dude looks like he was rode hard and put up wet!! _(Many Many times!!)_
Artists like to make out that they’re rebels but they’re not at all and their social hierarchies and ass kissing games are just the same as they are in any profession
funny how she says she supports artists yet gets mad if someone takes her photo.... she stopped a private party where she was getting paid to be there because the event had a photographer... yet she tries to sell her photos.
I'm willing to bet she doesn't care about being labeled as long as the checks keep rolling in...!
I wish I could agree. I believe what she is saying but I don't believe she believes what she's saying.
"Post punk poetess" sounds cool but really it's sort of a box, innit?
She is a woman who makes noise with her mouth, who has no description then. Simple. I am thinking she would rather be labeled. 😅
Gender is not a label, gender is a god's gift, the same also for the race colour, its a gift from God.
She's a right left wing artist...
No she is a human with a calling and she's answering
Get over your damn wokeness BS!!!
Yeah, let's just homogenize everything and everyone. Force everything to be the same. That's what's going on right now in the U.S. George Orwell's "1984" is coming to pass. Listening to her you can tell she's not very intelligent. Just "artist speak." And I use "artist" in her case, loosely.
Yea, I wasn’t impressed with her theory here. Trying to sound profound but she’s really reaching. You sing, you’re a singer. What’s the problem?
All of sudden we have become CRITICS. I AM OBSERVING AND LISTENING. IT'S DEBATING AND CONVERSATIONS?!@ Thank you 😮❤
A pretentious bore for hipster set.
Labeling Patti Smith and Iggy Pop punk rockers deterred me from listening to their music for decades. Then one day I listened to Horses/Land soon after I listened to the Stooges Fun House. Now this Deadhead loves both. I had know idea that was punk rock and still don't know what punk rock is. If it's attitude and bucking the system the Grateful Dead are the kings of punk rock.
As someone who was introduced to punk music as a 12 year old kid, and who has been a massive fan of its history and culture ever since, I think you get it more than you think. It's an attitude more than anything else IMO. It's that disregard (or even contempt) for social norms, the lower production quality because it was made on a shoestring budget, and often (though not always) a focused anger. Often towards those who allowed things to get to a certain light.
That opening riff to 'I Wanna Be Your Dog' from The Stooges still gets my blood flowing every time. The odd sultriness and vulnerability to a lot of Velvet Underground, the mix of empowerment and vulnerability behind a lot of Patti's music, the irreverent clusterfuck of a lot of the Pogues, the opening of MC5's 'Kick Out the Jams' live, etc. They're all still great IMO, but in the context of when they were first released and what was going on both where the band's were from and the country adds so much more to it all. Punk music doesn't always have to be violent and angry,.
I grew up a punk and hardcore kid surrounded by salty old outlaw biker clubs, and later met a lot of really wonderful older hippies in the Bay when I lived there for a while. To me, it actually seems like the three groups have a lot in common. Or at least they did, before their respective scenes branched off and did their own things. But that irreverence and desire to do more/different seems to be a common core to me.
@@RevShifty nice reply thanks
A good lesson, you should not let labels turn you off. Labels are often placed by others
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