Exoskeleton wing design - how carbon fiber makes it possible

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  • čas přidán 14. 07. 2024
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    The wing of the DarkAero 1 is strong enough to support thousands of pounds of lift load while remaining exceptionally light. Part of the secret behind this is it's made from carbon fiber composite. However, there's more to its structure than meets the eye. In this video, we discuss the design of the composite structures inside the wing of the DarkAero 1 and what makes them different.
    0:00 - Intro
    0:18 - Design Requirements
    1:51 - Lift Load Distribution Defined
    2:57 - Conventional I-Beam Wing Spars
    6:11 - The DarkAero "Hollow Grid" Approach
    7:32 - Advantages of "Hollow Grid"
    8:52 - Advantages of Using Composites
    10:15 - Physically Test or Simulate?
    11:40 - Summary
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Komentáře • 331

  • @DarkAeroInc
    @DarkAeroInc  Před rokem +22

    Learn how to design and build your own high-quality composite parts and structures!
    Sign up for the Aerospace Composites Course here: darkaero.com/courses/aerospace-composites
    Online version available here: darkaero.podia.com/aerospace-composites

    • @thegoldenatlas753
      @thegoldenatlas753 Před rokem

      Im curious will yall have a jet engine variant in the future like Sonex has done?

    • @ashsmitty2244
      @ashsmitty2244 Před rokem

      We must be getting close to take off.

    • @californiadreamin8423
      @californiadreamin8423 Před 6 měsíci

      Very impressive lecture. When you performed the load testing of the complete wing, even though the wing withstood the load, how do you know if internal damage has occurred ? Do you have inspection hatches/ holes to enable say fibre optic visual inspection, or are there other NDT testing methods available….strain gauges, ultrasound etc…
      Inevitably the wing will experience stress/strain reversal which in an Al structure will lead to fatigue, do these composite structures delaminate ? How do you plan to verify the structural integrity while in service ?

  • @TheClearsky88
    @TheClearsky88 Před rokem +179

    I really like your project and your videos. As a mechanical engineer myself I like your factual, no marketing bullshit approach to your videos and also to your product itself. A breath of fresh air in the "sell pie in the sky" startup world.

    • @homomorphic
      @homomorphic Před rokem +5

      Haha, yeah, no battery electric powertrain. I guess the long range requirement killed that in the first 5 seconds of analysis.

    • @deldridg
      @deldridg Před rokem +2

      I would agree. Engineer here too.

  • @glennlane6599
    @glennlane6599 Před rokem +141

    I mean this as a huge compliment. In your next life you would make a fantastic Mechanical Engineering Professor. You have the rare ability to explain complex concepts in an easy to understand presentation. Thank you.

  • @cptairwolf
    @cptairwolf Před rokem +41

    The methodology you guys practice in researching, building and testing parts is really impressive.

  • @timgarrett203
    @timgarrett203 Před rokem +31

    Extremely good and concise presentation of the right way to do wing design! Can’t wait to see her fly!

  • @causewaykayak
    @causewaykayak Před rokem +22

    Yes, this team is a breath of fresh air. Let's hope they do well after all their effort.

  • @xpeterson
    @xpeterson Před rokem +17

    I was always curious about the solid foam core vs hollow composite wings. Cool to see you guys came up with your own unique solution

  • @matthayward7889
    @matthayward7889 Před rokem +5

    I can’t stop looking at that beautiful carbon fibre 😍 fascinating discussion about why you’ve made the choices you have, and how it benefits the design.

  • @bwalker4194
    @bwalker4194 Před rokem +3

    Excellent content and presentation, guys! You all have great skill at not only highly technical processes but also the ability to convey it down to our level without coming across as condescending or droll. Congrats! keep them coming!

  • @mhannan6328
    @mhannan6328 Před rokem

    Terrific instruction. Clear, concise. Your flow is clear. You anticipate questions. Thanks.

  • @deldridg
    @deldridg Před rokem

    Great to be able to come along on your journey. Thank you for the big effort you are putting in to share your story and educate us along the way. Very exciting project! Cheers from Sydney - Dave

  • @daszieher
    @daszieher Před rokem +2

    I started watching these, because I just love fast and efficient aircraft.
    However, these videos provide such an in-depth insight into composite manufacturing that my engineering interest now benefits more from it than my passion for flight 😄

  • @SKYHILLMIKE
    @SKYHILLMIKE Před rokem +2

    Wow, so well explained, detailed and concise. Love the idea that you don’t need mould so you can change the design quick and easily.

  • @NeilStainton
    @NeilStainton Před rokem +1

    Kudos. You guys are so professional and so generous with your time in sharing your knowledge and vision. If I was 40 years younger I would beg to work with you.

  • @Mariano.Bernacki
    @Mariano.Bernacki Před rokem +5

    I really, really, really like that you guys are product-focused and engineering-centric. That takes care of marketing by itself, as opposed to others "sell impossible performance first, figure out how to make it close-ish enough that you are not sued later" like the Raptor fiasco.

  • @nitin8595
    @nitin8595 Před rokem

    Awesome follow up to the last video on wing design. Loved learning about the thought process behind Hollow Grid, in depth. Great stuff!

  • @bradley3549
    @bradley3549 Před rokem +3

    "Structural Divergence" is suddenly my favorite way of saying the wings broke off.

    • @DarkAeroInc
      @DarkAeroInc  Před rokem +6

      Add to that “thermal excursion” as a way to say the airplane started on fire.

  • @KiimiKooooo
    @KiimiKooooo Před rokem

    Just amazing, thank you so much! I don't recall ever been that captivated for something that technical before

  • @earlgreystoke3324
    @earlgreystoke3324 Před rokem

    Excellent damage tolerant design. Multiple load paths reduce the risk of single point failure. You explain complex engineering principles in a direct, easy to understand manner.

  • @woutermissiaen4745
    @woutermissiaen4745 Před rokem +18

    Nice video!
    I'm curious to see how the fueltank works with so many compartments.

    • @Zav
      @Zav Před rokem +6

      I think it's essentially gravity drain through interconnected compartments and a large reservoir between the wings to collect before sending to the engine fuel lines.

    • @ashsmitty2244
      @ashsmitty2244 Před rokem +10

      They act as natural baffles.

    • @divyajnana
      @divyajnana Před rokem

      I'm with you, would like to see the fuel tank design, seems like you would need a lot more sealant, which would mean more weight.

    • @ashsmitty2244
      @ashsmitty2244 Před rokem

      @@divyajnana More sealant for what?

    • @ashsmitty2244
      @ashsmitty2244 Před rokem

      @@divyajnana Watch their videos from beginning to end and you will then know what you didn’t before. 😉

  • @JH-tc3yu
    @JH-tc3yu Před rokem +1

    You guys are absolutely killing it

  • @parrotraiser6541
    @parrotraiser6541 Před rokem +1

    It's always nice to see machines being built as embedded thought, taking maximum advantage of the properties of the materials. Relates to "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.

  • @Datamining101
    @Datamining101 Před rokem +1

    This is interesting. Love to know more about the testing and simulation, in particular higher energy dynamics, heating, impact, electricity, etc.

  • @doncarlson8391
    @doncarlson8391 Před rokem

    Your comment about testing vs simulation is so very true and ultimately important. Simulation is only as good as the data that's entered and all too often what's thought to be complete has omissions. Empirical data from testing will fill in the simulation gaps and keep you and your passengers safe. Thanks for the video and explanation.

  • @royvreeland1609
    @royvreeland1609 Před rokem

    Absolutely love watching your new videos. Can’t wait to see this thing fly. 🎉❤😊

  • @aaronkaufmann2242
    @aaronkaufmann2242 Před rokem +12

    On the manufacturing topic, could you give us some insight into how the hollow grid is bonded to the skin? Specifically how you can count on that in a tank application..
    Love these videos, incredible content.
    Great job guys!!!

    • @JasonKuehn
      @JasonKuehn Před rokem

      Agreed, love the innovative ideas and think this is brilliant for things like control surfaces. But have to admit I am skeptical of that being used as a tank. There is a whole lot of bond area there and if any bit of it fails it will both leak and be inaccessible for repair.

  • @simonbaxter8001
    @simonbaxter8001 Před rokem +1

    Fantastic video! Being a traditional aluminium construction kinda guy, this was extremely educational. Looking forward to the next one already.

  • @Mrsournotes
    @Mrsournotes Před rokem

    Big Burt Rutan fan here. This generation it’s Dark Aero. Nicely done fellas.👍🏽👍🏽

  • @brighambaker3381
    @brighambaker3381 Před rokem

    Fantastic video! Thank you for sharing!

  • @EllipsisAircraft
    @EllipsisAircraft Před 4 měsíci

    Brilliantly concise explanation!

  • @onethousandtwonortheast8848

    I always look forward to your new releases. These videos are great for educating and building confidence in your design. I’ve always wondered however why are you teaching building classes to people who are not necessarily interested in building your aircraft?

    • @Jack-ne8vm
      @Jack-ne8vm Před rokem +3

      Diversified income, fresh ideas brought up by students, future employees...

    • @Michallote
      @Michallote Před rokem +1

      This channel is a Gem for the engineering community, it doesn't has to be applied on building specifically their aircraft in order to be useful for us. Knowledge is always useful

    • @michaelspunich7273
      @michaelspunich7273 Před rokem

      For the same reason you and I watch their videos

  • @Grarder
    @Grarder Před rokem +1

    This was incredibly well explained and you're a very good speaker! I'd heard of the DarkAero but wasn't really following it, I watched this out of pure engineering curiosity. Definitely interested in hearing more.

  • @plmarshall30
    @plmarshall30 Před rokem +5

    I would love to know if you guys have been surprised by anything you've learned yet while building this very coot plane? Is there anything that you just didn't even think about or is the building and design process calculated to the last detail and you haven't been surprised by anything? Keep up the cool videos, I get excited when I see a new one.

    • @DarkAeroInc
      @DarkAeroInc  Před rokem +10

      Hi Paul! Thanks for checking out our videos and thanks for the great question. Yes, lots of surprising challenges popped up along the way. A big one was canopy manufacturing, which turned out to be much more involved than expected. We spent too much time on that before we ultimately outsourced the process. We might try to bring it back in-house at some point. Making large honeycomb sandwich panels to meet our own standards turned out to be hard as well. We figured out how to do it at a small scale pretty quickly, but scaling it up was difficult.

  • @javiartbarreda3851
    @javiartbarreda3851 Před rokem +4

    Looking forward for the test flight!

  • @WPGinfo
    @WPGinfo Před rokem +3

    Great content, well structured and presented! Excellent!

    • @DarkAeroInc
      @DarkAeroInc  Před rokem +4

      “well structured”…I see what you did there ;)

  • @SteelDogFab
    @SteelDogFab Před rokem +1

    Fascinating. Love your guys work

  • @AJ-zj4ml
    @AJ-zj4ml Před rokem

    Absolutely excellent video. Your methods and design techniques are very impressive.

  • @LoanwordEggcorn
    @LoanwordEggcorn Před rokem

    Thanks for a very clear explanation. You're an excellent teacher. Definitely want to hear how you're building this. Subscribed.

  • @vmpgsc
    @vmpgsc Před rokem +1

    Great content, love your clean whiteboard sketches.

  • @jbrownson
    @jbrownson Před rokem

    Loving these videos, thanks for digging into the engineering

  • @benjaminschaefer6757
    @benjaminschaefer6757 Před rokem +1

    Brilliant work and excellent video.

  • @janbergendahl
    @janbergendahl Před rokem +1

    You guys are amazing! Cant wait to see this fly.. 🙂

  • @michaelguy7168
    @michaelguy7168 Před rokem

    Great information, really enjoy the technical side of design.

  • @roweboatracing2606
    @roweboatracing2606 Před rokem

    Phenomenal video! I wish I had seen this one year ago before I designed the airfoils structure on our FSAE car. Going to pass this video on to my classmates.

  • @felixcat9318
    @felixcat9318 Před rokem

    Outstanding presentation and narration, clear, concise explanations of technical, engineering and fabrication matters. Subscribed.

    • @DarkAeroInc
      @DarkAeroInc  Před rokem

      Thank you for checking out the video! We appreciate the kind words too. :)

  • @edog7059
    @edog7059 Před rokem

    Designing and building a plane is pretty cool but the materials and structure knowledge your team has developed is even more impressive. Honestly, with your skills, you could probably be designing and building about anything!

  • @Pawe-mx9wc
    @Pawe-mx9wc Před rokem

    Wow this is very interesting, thank you for your educational videos.

  • @OliverFlying
    @OliverFlying Před rokem

    Awesome video once again guys !! Thank you 🙏

  • @PatrikHlebecStor
    @PatrikHlebecStor Před 7 měsíci

    Amazing explanation!

  • @davidstrong7854
    @davidstrong7854 Před rokem

    not sure why Im watching this , but you sure make it interesting to see all you put into it. can't wait to see the final product.

  • @jlunde35
    @jlunde35 Před rokem

    Love this content. Thank you. I heard about galvanic corrosion problems joining carbon fiber to metal. So many issues. Great job.

  • @nwbackcountry5327
    @nwbackcountry5327 Před rokem

    I need one. Can't wait to place an order.

  • @theonlyari
    @theonlyari Před rokem

    I really appreciate your hand drawn stuff.

  • @compspace
    @compspace Před rokem

    Can’t wait for the manufacturering video, great video 👍

  • @jphillips5576
    @jphillips5576 Před rokem

    Another amazing and informative video! 👏👏

  • @strugglingengineer1465

    You finally answered my question with this video.

  • @CraigVanSickleAK
    @CraigVanSickleAK Před rokem

    Great video guys, keep up the good work.

  • @francisunderwood9998
    @francisunderwood9998 Před rokem

    Love you guys. Because of you I can understand how to make a good design as a erospace engineer student

  • @scott_aero3915
    @scott_aero3915 Před rokem +1

    Another great video!

  • @stanislav770
    @stanislav770 Před rokem

    Apprendre comment construire son propre avion est bien . Compliments pour le cours très instructif

  • @FlyingInEurope
    @FlyingInEurope Před rokem +2

    Lovely explanation!

  • @noonehere1793
    @noonehere1793 Před rokem

    Excellent presentation !

  • @michaelstadnikfilm
    @michaelstadnikfilm Před rokem

    Thanks for sharing your work, it's really interesting!

  • @Johnny-Too-Bad
    @Johnny-Too-Bad Před rokem

    excellent info and you manage to fit it all on one whiteboard!

  • @terrancestodolka4829
    @terrancestodolka4829 Před rokem

    Wow, Carbon Composite magic... Nice to see you in the future of aircraft being done this way.

  • @rschaffer8
    @rschaffer8 Před rokem

    Excellent presentation.

  • @dittilio
    @dittilio Před 6 měsíci +1

    Damn your white board drawing/writing skills are good. Aesthetics for days.

  • @johnelliott4521
    @johnelliott4521 Před rokem

    Great approach to strength weight ratio

  • @thebogy
    @thebogy Před rokem +2

    I love the videos. Would love to get some updates on testing. Like what's the progress, is there rough timeline for first flight, etc.

  • @telakos
    @telakos Před rokem +1

    Great explanation, I undestood most of it and I'm not an engineer.

  • @mcanderson0
    @mcanderson0 Před rokem

    your presentation is getting better! Much more prone to keep watching; doesnt feel too slow as some have felt

  • @sardcanada2640
    @sardcanada2640 Před 9 měsíci

    Very intelligent engineering related to manufacturing simplicity. That was your biggest achievement. Smooth and deliberate presentation of information. I love the hollow grid design, it is more organic and this should be the direction taken psychologically with all engineering and architectural thought processes. Well done gentleman, I will take your course as it sounds like great FUN ! And it may give me new insight to precast, aerated concrete panels inlaid with an organic matrix. Thankyou.

  • @SuperYellowsubmarin
    @SuperYellowsubmarin Před rokem

    That was a treat. Lately, I too am using carbon fiber (foam cored) sandich panels, CNC cut to manufacture the internal structure of an aircraft. I second that the benefits of that approach being no-tool, large stock, easy design change, are extremely undervalued.

  • @michaelklepacz
    @michaelklepacz Před rokem

    I love this channel. You’re a bunch of nerds!! Thank you.

    • @DarkAeroInc
      @DarkAeroInc  Před rokem +1

      🤓 Happy to hear you are enjoying our channel!

  • @P51
    @P51 Před rokem

    really good stuff. thanks

  • @asteriskman
    @asteriskman Před rokem

    Never before appreciated the nuance of an I-beam the way you describe.

  • @Humble_Electronic_Musician

    Chances are low that i will build my own airplane (except a small one out of paper) , but i really enjoy your vids.
    Very informative and a joy to watch.
    Well done!

  • @air-headedaviator1805

    This is really sick stuff, innovative, different. Interesting thing I noted about y’alls hollow core concept is that something similar is has been used in some 3D printing RC airplane designs too, going as far as to place stingers at angles to the width span of the wings. Its all fascinating

    • @EllipsisAircraft
      @EllipsisAircraft Před 4 měsíci

      A similar design is used in fighter jet wings also. One that comes to mind, is the F-104. Where compressed bleed air from the engine was sent outboard through the wing, and emerged from ports precisely located to blow air over the flaps when deployed. "Blown flaps" as they were called, reduced approach speeds significantly as long as the engine was kept spooled up and compressing plenty of bleed air. Losing the engine in this configuration, when landing, was unrecoverable. Such were the 1950s.

  • @billmeldrum2509
    @billmeldrum2509 Před rokem

    Fantastic. Very interesting. 🇨🇦

  • @francescomolfetta8053
    @francescomolfetta8053 Před 8 měsíci

    Excellent! I believe in all this.. 👏🏼

  • @kris2435
    @kris2435 Před rokem

    Thanks for sharing

  • @tnk.2033
    @tnk.2033 Před rokem +1

    Keep doing more educational videos ⚡🙏🏻

  • @EngineerK
    @EngineerK Před rokem

    Thoughts about the very linear stress strain curve of carbon fibre? I am a structural engineer - in seismic engineering we use the non linear section of the stress strain curve (from yield to ultimate) to dissipate seismic energy (hysteresis - ie with steel ultimate strain is ~2.5x yield). This allows us to design for lower seismic force level and we intentionally let the building go non linear to dissipate energy - with the primary intent to prevent collapse (and the building is also not likely useable after a design seismic event).
    In the high performance sailing world, I think this has been one of the fundamental issues with CF. They are hitting yield loads followed quicly by structural failure because of the lack of a yield plateau (there is no ductilty). Do not know how the aeronautical codes are written but IMO, use of carbon fibre probably needs higher factor of safety in comparison to say aluminum. With CF you basically cannot afford to go past yield...

  • @3SM20Pilot
    @3SM20Pilot Před rokem

    Great video. I even knew some of the words.

  • @j121212100
    @j121212100 Před rokem

    good design!

  • @daverobinsonTnT
    @daverobinsonTnT Před rokem

    Love the progress you guys have made over the years I’ve been following your project.
    Great stuff 👏
    Just a couple of questions :-
    (i) - Have you evaluated fuel flow, migration and fuel bubble criteria for your ‘wet wing’ design ?
    (ii) - Do you anticipate having to be able to inspect the internal spaces within the wing periodically and if so, does the ‘hollow grid’ construction make provisioning easier or more difficult ?
    Looking forward to seeing you progress to a successful first flight and beyond 👍
    Cheers,
    dave

  • @asharma9345
    @asharma9345 Před rokem

    Dude you guys are Awesome.
    I will E mail you shortly.

  • @martinperry1843
    @martinperry1843 Před rokem +1

    I like the term "structural divergence", reminds me of SpaceX's term "rapid unscheduled disassembly".

  • @troygiampietro9570
    @troygiampietro9570 Před rokem +7

    Awesome video, great explanation. How are you bonding the ribs/shear webs back to the skin with the distributed spar?

  • @CaptainCharlieBravo
    @CaptainCharlieBravo Před rokem

    True Masters of your craft…No pun intended

  • @johnfitzpatrick2469
    @johnfitzpatrick2469 Před rokem

    G,day Riley, River and Keagan from Sydney Australia.
    I was wondering how you design structures (aerospace). I knew the components; ribs, spars, struts etc. I now have a idea of testing to resist G force loading.
    So... one could purchase plans with specified materials or "build and carry out testing to "with a coupon calculations measurement system recognised by the FAA"
    On the other hand; completely experimental categories.
    Then there's materials;
    * Wood, fabric, aluminium, composite material such as fibreglass, carbon fibre in moulds etc.
    "Speed, just a matter of money, how fast do you want to go?"
    That was was a great lecture sir, you got my brain to spark on two cylinders.
    🍏🇭🇲

  • @nothingtoseehere5760
    @nothingtoseehere5760 Před 3 měsíci

    So cool

  • @jeremyjabaay
    @jeremyjabaay Před rokem

    Another good one! Whens the homebuilt engineering class start?

  • @mr.fredricklawngtawnghedav5094

    Good idea's

  • @scientificapproach6578
    @scientificapproach6578 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Can you imagine if the Write Brothers could have watched your videos how much easier building their first airplane would have been.

  • @byTrecz
    @byTrecz Před rokem

    Interesting!

  • @lattermd1457
    @lattermd1457 Před 2 měsíci

    Fun topic. Would also love to see how the fatigue load test is designed and conducted. - formal aeronautical engineer.

  • @bengeurts6806
    @bengeurts6806 Před rokem

    Interesting concept! Was wondering how did you come to the conclusion about the weight saving of 10lbs? Great content as always well done

  • @PeakTorque
    @PeakTorque Před rokem

    Great video, and you are selfless in what you share. Another reason we should be moving away from ribs and spars, is that they are an outdated function. They were needed to take mechanical loads when we had cloth wing skins! Now we have wing skins with serious stiffness/weight properties, we really don't need them so much! Yes theres shear to deal with and face collapse, but i love your design. Be really interested to know how you connect the cell spars to the upper wing skin when you close the structure, how do you know the glue is touching? :) Cheers from UK

  • @nickolayjelev6077
    @nickolayjelev6077 Před rokem

    Nice one guys, what you have achieved so far is brilliant! Keep it up!
    Quick question:
    How do you ensure that any ethanol content in the fuel does not attack the sandwich pannel epoxy exposed to fuel in the fuel tank?