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I wish they would push magneto's powers to their peak, at least for a few issues. Electromagnetism is one of the 4 fundamental forces
That's a fact not only fundamental but natural elements too
He’s had a few great moments recently. He stomped the X-Men/Avengers in Trial Of Magneto, it gave me classic Magneto vibes.
Well, if Magneto was written in the fullest capacity of his power (and there are no real upper limits). You'd end up with an omnipathic character capable of doing just about anything. From changing universal constants, to even ending the multiverse. The reason they give for him not achieving this, is also BS. The guy can evolve himself into a non-natural being. Making his cells stars and his skin a matrice of blackholes, riding himself of all organs as a result. The level of OP would be so unreasonable that there would be absolutely no way to do anything about him. I think the only reasonable way to write him like that, is if he were from a different timeline, and something really bad happened, like Krakoa falling, Charles loosing faith in humanity and unlocking magneto fully before dying. Probably tell him to avenge mutant kind, then it goes into a wholesale and absolute slaughter of an entire universe. Everything, including the eternity, nexus being and far garden (where celestials go when they die). Then enter the main one, and keep to himself, until nimrod comes for mutants...then reveals himself to the universe. Probably asking (quite threateningly) the Captain Britain corps, to send a message to infinity itself. "All universes that persecute mutant-kind will be cleansed, and left fertile for mutants to occupy." Probably do a cleansing of the DOFP universe, as an illustration of what they face.
That would likely open up a new comics line of this, 'omni-magneto' acting as the multiversal guardian of evolution. More brutal than the living tribunal, and more direct than anyone. Character could be used to start crisis events when marvel writes a shitty story. Just add mutant persecution, Omni-magneto comes in, and wipes everything clean...leaving only mutants.
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Dude on thing I love about Hickman writing is he gives moment where even characters like Doug do something badass which few writers do
More than one back up plan
Don’t believe the neg stories about Doug
There is a bigger baddy he has hovering over him
In the end one way or another a new god will be born…. Bet
When will other sentinels realize that nimrod is a mutated sentinel
Moria situation was a call back to the Avengers run: “You can’t win. Find a way to not lose.”
Now that EVERYONE is on the same page, what happens next is up to the writers.
where is this quote from?
@@GooberDoober-fm4ws check out Rob’s long story vid on Avengers/New Avengers about The Incursions. Valera Richards wrote a note to her dad, Mr. Fantastic, saying that same statement.
@@595moore thanks so much!
Magneto fighting two Nimrods in impressive, but Rob you forgot. Apocalypse was fighting 3 of them and destroyed one.
It’s still one Nimrod no matter how many he make. He jus make more to win 😁
Good Lord!
Cypher is hot with the way they drew and wrote him here, he stood his round against Mystique and Destiny, and even disoriented Destiny for a moment, I like the way he played his cards here...
Gaaaaaaaay
Cypher could re-program the sentinels.
It's long overdue that Marvel put respect on his name! Now, what's up with this overt vendetta against Peter Parker!?
Ok it wasn’t just me 😂
Has Nimrod ever run into Ultron? They have super similar plans but I feel like they wouldn't work well with each other. Would be cool to see. Nimrod vs Ultron : metal war
There was an Avengers issue where basic Sentinels quickly analyzed and shut down the Vision. I would think Nimrod could do the same to Ultron. Especially when you consider that Galactus and Thor used a similar 'power siphon' technique on Ultron. Ultron would need prep time to defeat Nimrod.
That would be cool
@@heedmywarning2792 OMG!!! I was going to say the same thing, but based upon the fact that Ultron would have to TRAIN his way up to where Nimrod already WAS due to the fact that Nimrod IS future-tech A.I. EVOLVED. Nimrod (the Lesser or the Greater) would own Ultron in NANOSECONDS.
As heed said, Nimrod is a whole level above ultron he would literally just remotely power ultron down most likely
Now that's a scary thought.
Plus Ultron is always upgrading.
Glad to see Bei the Blood Moon make an appearance. She was one of the more intriguing new characters from X of Swords and I really wanted to see more of what she can do and her marriage with Cipher
P
We never really got a run down on her powers either at least I haven’t ?
Agreed I also like solem
@@lilmoon1890 Basically, on top of her s-tier fighter skills, she has a psycic-based psionic scream called a "Doom Note" that works similarly to Black Bolt's. She can't speak the standard way but her Doom Note can form psychic connections in order to communicate with others
@@wolfpack_104 And because of it, Cypher can't understand her... The mutant whose power is deciphering all language can't understand the power that decipher's his wife's voice to all other beings... It's why they intrigue each other x3
This might be my favourite magneto moment ever. Genocide survivor vs genocide machines
Rob, you and me both grew up huge X-men fans and I just gotta say I’m enjoying Xmen comics now, more than I have in a long, long, long time.
Another great example of the power of Great writing!! Glad Mystique is finally properly represented here. I agree she's always been underutilized, but she is *extremely* dangerous when written correctly 🤯🤯🤯
This for me, feels like the most incomplete of all the Hickman runs. His FF and his Avengers have definite beginnings and definite endings. They have always been about two men-one who creates, while the other destroys. It was Reed and Doom in the FF, while it was Steve and Tony. Hoped that we would get that full circle (we kinda did with Charles and Eric, but not to the extent we did for the above mentioned two).
Tbf this was only 1 act of the full story Hickman watched to tell
Exactly,act two is about to begin
It just "feels" off like how in 2016 they had venom be a crime lord then quickly axed him for Eddy! Small but subtle studd
Explanation-Hickman said this is the end of HIS run. I know they will carry over the story ideas and probably will end the story in a way which he envisioned all but I kinda wish he stuck around to do it himself.
agreed. it felt rush and incomplete.
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Yes
Interesting that Xavier never picked up on Moira's plan to erase mutants when she opened her mind to him all the time. I'm sure she'd learn some tricks or mental barriers from Charles over her lives but that Charles is no slouch. And he'd have noticed barriers too.
Telepaths can only read the memories of her current life. She can hide information of her pervious ones.
She was also truthful and came to him willingly so why go fishing on his part for cover ups.
reminder that xavier is one of the more polite telepaths there is, he'll often just look at what your showing and not try to dig deeper, this is what emma meant that mad her see info that moira was hiding that he missed.
1. They agreed to actually not go digging in people's minds.
2. Moira had good intentions the entire time. It's just the execution which was questionable.
3. Moira has been around Charles countless times and knows the type of person he is, both in mannerisms and power. She wouldn't have gone to the guy who wants mutants to survive and can read minds with this secret without some level of preparation
actually, emma explained in astonishing x-men that this was one of charles' greatest weakness. when charles searches a mind, he looks for positive things or things that can be used to prevent harm, whereas she (emma) always searches for their most guarded secrets and what they're trying to hide first!
“ good luck self not friend.” Absolutely hilarious. Bob Layton’s limited series on ol’ Hercules is quite hilarious as well. Hint, hint. Nudge, nudge.
Magneto has and always will be my favorite Marvel character!
But Polaris is hot. And Rogue. And Storm. And Jean. and Emma.
Well it was good while it lasted thanks JH for a few years of good X-men stories
Really liked this story, especially the Artwork!
*AGREED* 🔥🔥
Valerio Schiti and RB Silva are amazing. Doesn’t it kind of have a very anime like aesthetic to it in its “camera” angles and dynamic combat?
Yessir
Xmen is so good.
From the first time Nimrod appeared in the comics, (X-men 191) I've liked the character. Back when there was none of the subsequent story and retcon and master mold and whatever it was obvious that:
1. Nimrod was created by the writers to "clean house" whenever they needed.
2. This was a character that would cause future writers difficulty.
Nimrod was one of those ultimate threats for the entire Marvel mutant comics. An adversary that was more of a tool for the writers that ultimately had to be phased out do to the shear power and something that is touched on in this last major appearance of Nimrod in Marvel. I don't think we will see Nimrod again however.
Also, one reason why I liked the character was that the basic idea behind its power was that it didn't simply augment itself to counter any opponent(s) - like getting stronger than the Hulk. Rather, Nimrod's counters were often well outside the box thinking or so rudimentary that the reader was like, why didn't anyone think of this before? It is so simple. If I recall, Nimrod took out the Juggernaut with ultrasonic sound not brute force. Even very powerful mutants feared this ultimate sentinel.
Damn....
It really sucks that Hickman was axed out of this especially seeing as how the people running the ship in his place did nothing with it
He wasn't axed he wanted to move on to something else.
Geez he made a real grant morrison out of himself.
Go in with a lot of controversial and drastic idea and then leave to let the rest of the people deal with a messed up universe
@@bobydigital2450 that's not what happened. This story was intended to be 3 years and 3 phases long but it was so popular at marvel that it got stuck in phase one this whole time. Inferno brings us into phase 2, two years late.
Nah. He needs to come bacc. I don’t want them to fumble the dopest storyline I’m literally aging with. This was such a insane issue I’m gonna replay this video again.
We've seen the X gene get deleted from entire Multiverse.
No more Mutants!.
but the Multiversal Cosmic Phoenix Force said, Nah. That aint right.
And the Celestials also planned for Mutant domination as well.
Delete Mutants all you want, but as long as Humans exists, Mutants will always evolve from them one way or another.
And this is why the Machines hate humans as much as Mutants.
Exactly!
Orchis might attract the attention of the celestials.
It would be interesting to see Orchis panic when that happens
in the future, Sentinels take over. But..... what about Inhumans, Eternals and Celestials? Magical beings? Also, I think Magik could solo Nimrod by teleporting him to her demon realm. Of course, if Nimrod could learn magic, everyone would be f*.
@@heedmywarning2792 But it would make for one funny a$$ episode!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Moira mctaggert with her knowledge of Krakoa alone makes her one of the most dangerous enemies that they could ever have.
YES! Why the hell did they let her just...leave🤯. If I were the council we'd probably have to vote to execute for treason.
Cypher is so cool and I love how each story brings him further and further into the fold
Bishop is getting no love in these storylines. He needs to be involved with the nimrod battle
Man, Moira was not playing around. All that work she helped Xavier and Magneto with just to get all the mutants in one place just to basically sterilize them all. Crazy.
It might've been her way to "Save everyone" in her mind. The motif of sterilisation for the sake of salvation to prevent a more severe end.
@@timothyharris1125Savior mentality is scary
@@MrSilus2000 Oh yeah, A lot of villains origin stories often start with the "Best of intentions", Fewer are fueled by Vengeance, and maybe a handful are total Chaos and Psychosis.
16:10 You said Magneto held his own against 2 Nimrods while Apocalypse held his own against a single Nimrod. Actually, the great En Sabah Nur held his own against 3 simultaneously. I know I’m nick-picking but Apocalypse is like favorite mutant, so… yeah, I had to fact check that.
He didn’t die either correct?
@@Desto13 if you’re referring to En Sabah Nur, unfortunately he got smoked, which triggered Wolverine to send Moira back.
Well, Nimrod is Nimrod, although Apocalypse seemed overwhelmed from the start while Magneto appeared to be winning before Omega hit the Off button.
I saw Apocalypse smash the head of 1 out of 3 Nimrods.
Was he not killed by the lesser nimrod?
As a racial and sexual minority born and raised in the South, I've always recognized and appreciated the X-Men allegory. For the exact same reason, I've always found the allegory darkly comical because of how extremely it mirrors real life bigotry and hatred. I mean, Omega Sentinel flat out says to Orchis that, as far as machines are concerned, mutants and humans are the same thing...and they are. The only thing that differentiates a human from a mutant is the expression of an extremely rare gene. Imagine considering red heads to be part of an entirely different species worthy of contempt simply because they express an incredibly rare gene that the rest of us don't.
What I find strange about the X-Men mythos is that baseline humans hate mutants for having natural super abilities but simultaneously turn a blind eye to humans who are similarly superpowered through means other than a genetic birthright. So Johnny Storm can walk around free from hate and persecution because he gained fire powers through a freak accident in the cosmos, yet Sunfire is hated and persecuted because he was born with essentially the same powers?
............... cause comics!
Whats even worse is how would regular humans know the difference? Aside from the obvious like Magneto, who let's everyone knows he's a mutant every chance he gets; how DO they know the difference between Sunfire and The Human Torch?
Some say it "Who the hell can even get hit WITH cosmic rays", others say "They can sus out the X gene.. and Mutants often prenounce it loudly", some actively track mutants due to powers giving off a trace and others believe they are drawn to hate them mutates.
I think it literally seeing a random person randomly gifted with random powers who randomly decidea what THEY can do to you.
Kinda like Pyskers in 40k where this ONE Alpha level Pysker took over a entire world and had them marching to his beat. Or this fleet of space pirates that shot a missle with a old man... he spoke the word "Silence" and half of the fleet that jeard the memtic virus died horrible and had to sever all comms or risk a ENTIRE legion going under.
If a mutant has the ability you couldnt physically hurt him intentionally or accidently.. guy could literally do whatever he wanted.
Hate will find a way
What about Ben Grimm? Surely he has it worse than both. As long as a mutant doesn't have an altered physical appearance and can control their powers, how do you even know they're a mutant? When a group of people are actually being persecuted, they typically try to keep a low profile to avoid being detected. When they can go into the CZcams comments and immediately start talking about being a mutant minority... they're not really persecuted, they're just seeking attention. Of course, this is just a hypothetical scenario you may encounter in a comic story, no one in real life would engage in such a shameless pageantry of imaginary victimhood.
I absolutely love it when Rob gets psyched up about a character being totally bad ass. He turns into a schoolboy who just found the ultimate toy room. The sheer giddiness he invokes is intoxicating!
Rob absolutely found his path about 2-3 years ago. If you look up a 4-5 year old video, he was a voice to fall asleep to.
He realized that his energy and love for comics needed less restraint and more funny. Rob is da shizzit.
Chill.
I don't know...seems like he's acting...I prefer genuine hype.
What an ending! Hickman has been the best thing to happen to the X-Men in a long time. I get the feeling that everything will go back in a year.
I’d hate to be negative here since this is an incredible run. But if anything negative happens to the X-Men regarding their story telling after all this, then I’ll be upset. This run did the X-Men so much justice. It had the typical bleak storyline, but that was kind of just the side story compared to where they’re currently and technically at right now.
@@sosmooth13 I want the X-Men to move forward. I've been wanting that for a while now. Hickman was getting it done, but eventually, they'll be dragging them back to the 90s.
@@ThirteenOhEight exactly. The 90’s had some great ideas here and there, but for the most part, it was a one of the worst times for them. Like, the hatred that they received was a little bit too strong lol
I'm calling it...Omega is Moira McTaggart after she had to run from Krakoa.
She'd have to run to someone who can protect her from Mutantdom, like A.I.M or something. She shifts focus to Nimrod and she becomes the cyborg we just saw.
She could just ask Mr. Fantastic or Iron Man to let her use one of their many basement universe portals. As far as they're concerned she's a major ally of the superhero community and the X-Men are well known for having constant infighting so "so and so wants me dead and and Professor X can't protect me anymore" is hardly the most unbelievable spiel out there. Both of them have known addresses they very frequently can be found at and JARVIS is hardly gonna say no if someone like that rocks up in front of Stark tower.
My only issue is she possessed her EARLIER model not physically ended up there so it seems like it cant be her.
Nice! Nimrod would then use Moira's knowledge of everything krakoan to kill them all.
Nimrod beat apocalypse only through plot armor. If folks Forget that hope summers. When she fought bastion, literally using every mutant power at her disposal. Destroyed bastion who was welding Nimrod technology. Literally he was Nimrod and lost. Summing up that any mutants with multiple abilities could destroy Nimrod. So I have no understanding why apocalypse loss to Nimrod. Other than plot armor for the story plot alone.
Great video but Two things. 1) You forgot Apocalypse also fought 3 nimrods at the same time with NO help and obliterated one of the nimrods with a single punch before being caught from behind. Most fans saying apocalypse should have never lost that fight due to his shape shifting abilities and ability to grant himself nearly any superpowers plus his immortality 2) You also forgot that Nimrod is able to detect Mystique (remember last year issue when Nimrod first came online and immediately detected Mystique disguised as an orchid member ?) even when she's disguised that's how she got killed and had to be resurrected.
On a separate note with regards to Mystique and Emma Frost, Destiny these women are very petty. They should deal with the larger threat ie Nimrod and Omega, orchid instead bickering amongst themselves like little immature teenage girls smh 🤦🏾.
Moira’s pretty petty too. If she had just allowed Destiny to be resurrected then none of this would have happened lol
@@robb1914 Not really, if you got set on fire by a guy who didn't understand you were trying to save the entire human and mutant race and you knew he would kill you again would you allow him to be resurrected? Moira's motivation, although twisted, was to prevent the war that would destroy mutants and humans by eliminating the mutant gene...which was the twisted part. Destiny, ironically can't see the big picture. She only saw the elimination of the mutant gene. Mystique was the most petty. If she was a guy, she would be accused of thinking with her other "head"😂. Since she all her machinations was done for her love for Destiny ergo she's selfish.
Emma is the most annoying (and most petty.. arguably), she is doing everything out of spite(ego ) ... because she wasn't kept in the loop by Charles and Magneto ... despite knowing full well the impending demise of everyone.
@@kcopara1 When Mystique and Destiny killed Moira, she hated being a mutant and had just created the mutant cure. At that point she wasn’t trying to save anyone. It was after they killed her that she started fighting for mutants so it’s more like “When you’re creating a weapon specifically designed to eliminate a group of people, pretend to not know the consequences of inventing such a weapon and then are burned alive by members of that group to teach you not to do it again”. Moira curing mutants wouldn’t save anyone in the end because Machines still HATE humans so mutants turned into Humans would still have to fight a war with Machines, which is the big picture Moira isn’t seeing
@@robb1914 Isnt it Dramatic Irony when the audience knows something the characters dont? We know it a bad idea as the Machines wouldnt stop till they won but Moira thinks it her only choice due to her past attempts failing.
Also screw literally everyone on in the council, guys would fight a bag of 12 pop tarts but oh boy the girls! I get all that emotional stuff hurts but... there literally a robot that your big bad guys are building to take out all mutants Space Marine style... focus on that first?
@@robb1914 also Destiny pretty much saw through Moira smokecover and causes her to panic. Destiny should of put her in a special padded cell and left her there for the end of days.
"All i need to do is break your arms and legs, leave you breathing so i can get out of the range of the Collar with time to spare"
That is a quote from "Fallout NV: Dead Money" when a "ally" realizes how to kill you and NOT get blown up by a collar linked to your life.
well you left out the strangest part that from Omega and Nimrods side of things in all the timelines Omega has seen the Mutants always win, but in Moira's time travels/deaths she has always seen the Mutants loose so something isn't lining up
Right he should have covered that part.
@@asssassyn that’s from last issue
@@sebastiansaleh4920and since he put in the perspective of mutants always losing in Moiras point of view he should have compared it with Omegas.
Isn't this a plot hole tho? If mutants win in this Moira's life (which results in Omega going back in time), how does that make sense with Moira planning to neuter the mutant gene?
@@laymand83 right
This run of X-Men comics completely ASCENDS every mutant to a whole new level. Apocalypse seeing his vision come true, and then commiting self sacrifice for the Mutantkind, and defeating his wife in battle was phenomenal. The complex mingling of philosophies and ideals reborn in Krakoa is so intriguing. Then you have the ELEVATED fight between Professor X and Magneto at their fiercest level against Omega and Nimrod. And it's just amazing. Which btw, I think Magneto would have won that fight if he'd have completely ANNIHILATED Omega. Because if she hadn't been alive enough to dampen his powers, he'd have destroyed the Nimrods. Even if Nimrod is made from mostly non-metallic materials, he'd have circuitry which would have elements which could be influenced by magnetism. Even such advanced technology as Quantum computing utilizes materials like that, thus in his utter RAGE and at a level of power we have rarely seen, he'd have been able to destroy core systems of the Nimrods, even if they can repair their bodies. In which case should mean that he'd win. Unless I've missed something..
- And Moira's idea is both ingenious and EVIL. And I don't use that word often.. I truly hate Moira now.
Bless rob for getting us through the marvel drought!
Yeah but like this, the shorter runs are the better runs, it's always true with marvel, if they add too much into the story it kills interest and there's no reason for small back stories that go into nothing, also x men always have the best short stories, meaning 4 to 10 comic story arcs maybe a bit more but also contained into one maybe two series
Also Johnathan Hickman bro
Why dont the x-men ever have Forge invest in creating some anti power dampener tech. It could be the size of their little X communicators.
Well chances are it's probably just an EMP device.
@@mevan883 I dont think that will be an issue with krakoan tech being organic...all they have to do is keep it watered...If you are referring to mutants themselves a emp should have no effect whatsoever on their powers
@@whipedge I was just saying all they really need is an EMP device to stop power dampener tech since it can't be shielded from EMP in order from power dampeners to work.
What if someone got a flesh eating/ organic eating disease to the island?
@@heedmywarning2792 Unless you can control it what happens if it reaches other countries.
This story is so neat. I did not expect it in a million years, what an accomplishment! It is the best 'high-level' superhero storytelling I have read in so, so long, juggling all that potential to an interesting closure, what a feat. Most stories only ever fizzle out after their interesting openings, to quote Steven Spielberg: 'Most newer movies begin, and begin, and begin.' Or something to that effect.
How is Moira can hide her true intentions/purpose from Charles? Like in early issues of House/Powers of X Moire open all her mind ( even all her past life ) to Charles to initiate the Krakoa Project , that means Charles know everything. Even if Charles know about the sterilization genocide of mutantdom plan , it doesn't makes sense Charles and Erik just go along with it.
I believe the one who knows more than anyone in Mutantkind is Cypher. And with Warlock,Krakoa and and his wife on his side , he's almost untoucheble. His character has been so good since Dawn of X.
Good point , but Professor X tries not see more in to a mind than need, privacy and all
It was shown that Moira can prevent telepaths from reading her mind. It’s no stretch to think she can choose what information telepaths can read from her mind. Moira most likely only allowed Xavier to read the things in her mind that would cause him to side with her. We see in Inferno (issue 1, I believe) when they recount the time that Mystique and Destiny killed Moira is different from how it was in HoX/PoX. This was to help show that Moira altered or didn’t show Xavier the full story
Also dont forget it made even Emma seize up and recoil in pain from all that data, she could of hide it or count on that you would have to comb through all that data to even try finding it.
Nah my man Cypher has been playing his cards after getting his wife that his ace a powerful mutant warrior second only to Apocalypse Wife Genesis and Third to Genesis Sister the Ultimate Warrior of the Mutant Race,Plus he has Warlock and Krakoa a Metal Head Symbiote/Alien Tech and Living Island that nearly killed the 1st and 2nd gen xmen and actually eliminated Lora Friggin Mctaggart Secret X men he is the Joker/Underdog of the marvel Landscape finally getting his due
There’s so much in there I don’t think Charles *wants* to see. Remember the first time he read her mind he saw 9 lifetimes worth of memories. Of death and destruction. And that was just a cursory scan.
It’s a shame Hickmans gone because to me there is one thread with Moria now left in play…her arm. While she is now a human her served arm still holds her mutant gene and as such her powers and conversely Doug have her a piece of Warlock to replace her arm, this now actually makes her closer to Omega Sentinel in terms of species as she is human but also part machine. So she may end up switching sides deciding to keep her plan of saving mutants by removing mutants but now in a more violent way. Plus Doug may now have a way of tracking her via Warlock.
All the gun does is neutralizes power; it doesn't erase the X-Gene. So, Moira could get her power back if she wanted somehow. Or she could even be resurrected by the 5 also, so, her arm doesn't really matter.
@@SubzeroBlack68 my point was more towards Orchis or the children of the vault getting her arm, given how interesting her powers are they could end up using it even if she does not have her powers herself.
Concur on the power neutralizer. Storm was restored. Moira's weapon is cumulative knowledge of ten lives. Think of wealth & power that could have been accumulated and how it could have it have been manipulated to date and in the future. Think of the future technology that would have been learned and secretly implemented without mind readers knowing? Think of Moira mind knowing so much history how much it processes, recalls, and formulates. If a normal uses a small % of brain cells to function, what might her % be? If she had already been aware of the Forge neutralizer, would she not have had the capability to work on a restorer? We've seen clones successfully created and running in the 616, what's to stop her from a clone and transferrable? Lots of options to paint Moira out of the corner to escape.
@@SubzeroBlack68 Yup. It happened with Storm, so there's nothing saying that Forge couldn't reverse-engineer the process to bring her powers to the forefront (but the likelihood of that happening is mighty slim).
Sometimes I've wondered, "Hey, y'know how we see all these evil supervillain groups (e.g., the Cabal) pop up every few years? Why have we never seen Mystique among them? Waitaminute, maybe she was there but we didn't know it." Honestly, Mystique has been out-Skrulling the Skrulls for decades, so it wouldn't surprise me if she and Destiny have been causing all kinds of trouble for years.
That's a fantastic idea and one of the greatest ability to retcon things I've ever heard. Imagine her on the Illuminati during Hickman's avengers run. The stories that could be told. That's a great idea man.
Epic showdown!!!!!? Peak-powered Magneto would RIP Nimrod into a million pieces!!!!!
Thank you! Iron man and a robot defeated the lord of magnetism...
Thats because theyve made nimrod super weak.
@@mrgray5576 good
although he's not more powerful as the other omegas (except storm), krakoa CANNOT afford to ever have magneto captured.
remember guys, mysterium is a metal that is believed to have magic-negating properties.
having an omega-level metal manipulator who can use mysterium to attack mystical opponents is krakoa's best chance to defend against magic-users!
@@AifDaimon yeh because absolute plot armor and super nerfed villains make such great stories....
That's funny, I was kind of hoping that Prof X and Magneto would simply TALK to Nimrod and come to the dramatic conclusion that Someone was feeding them both lies, working them both behind the scenes, and that maybe the only way to save themselves, mutant and machine, would be to make peace and work together, for a better future.
Well, that is the only way for them to have a good future, but given that the writers don't seem to have figured that out yet, we can't really expect the characters to do it.
It's kind of hard to pretend these overarching threads and plans upon plans really mattered at all when the pivotal piece of the puzzle was... a random anti-mutant gun.
When you put it that way lmao
This has been the best X-men run I’ve witnessed in a while.
When I saw Nimrod I knew it be good but it’s great🥰Now that we’re past the whole gender thing we can get back to good comics that any comic lover can enjoy😌
Too bad Hickman is gone. I really liked what he was doing with the X-men. I'm personally scared they will take this story in a crazy direction in order to set up the X-men to be in the marvel cinematic universe.
The most interesting thing about this issue is Cypher. SINCE FOREVER the older mutants have always been the bosses telling everyone the right way or leading and making plans. But Cypher just flipped the table over like, NAH your time running the show is over.
Plus, the way Bei just backed up her husband was pretty epic. She never gets the chance to say much but her presence and design are wonderful to see.
This Hickman run finally did Doug Ramsey justice. He's been treated like crap for years, like they're doing to Spiderman now. To see him in complete control, powerful and playful was a moment with waiting for!
Who thought it was a good idea to have a cyborg take on magneto
Not to be a stickler but Apocalypse fought 3 nimrods before dying in powers of x. And Gerry Duggan is writing x-men not Jerry Conway. But I loved this story and the review
Yeah i noticed that too. Still a massive feat for magneto though.
Ah I miss 90s Magneto. Didn’t need a helmet to resist telepathy, nigh indestructible force field, energy projection, etc
Best form of the character IMO. Nigh on invincible.
I love when he gets all hype and does the "man let me tell you something" 😂 you know it's about to go down!
Her espionage game is God tier. I swear her mutant ability is actually manipulation.
I mean, she is a woman, right?
@@marseanharper2785to some yes, lmao, that's what makes Mystique scarier is whatever someone's last impression is what they saw her as.
I was hoping Professor X and Magneto were going to drop the fusion technique and bring back ONSLAUGHT!
Everyone gangster til the tella-tubby robot fries the guy with nigh absolute command over magnetism
One of the best things about Rob's reviews is his sound effects ' mannnnn lemme tell you something'
😂😂😂😂
I love your enthusiasm when you talk about this stuff
C'mon. Do it...
Nimrod vs Onslaught
Maybe Moira’s lives always fail when she is a mutant, maybe the mutant only ever win without her
All right, so we know from Mora that in the future the mutants always lose, but from another story, we learned from Omega that’s the mutants always win, so the real question is, which future is right and which will be the main timeline I wonder?
Also, I would love to see a story where mutant kind, just makes their own galaxy and leave the planet earth, and start their own empire, that would be awesome to see.
I've said it once and I'll say it again. Mora has been through less than a dozen timelines and in each she kept trying to mess around with things.
Maybe I'm lacking in imagination but when you've tried to fix a problem as difficult as human nature around 10 times and failed you don't get the right to an opinion.
Call it "Planet X" or "mutant planet" and they'd have story material for another decade. Just put me in the credits if either of those names are used!
That move from Cypher was gold.
Just goes to show, if written correctly Cypher is a beast!
Long time coming!🎉
A consortium of evil A.I.s; I now want Orchis to go up against Vision and Ultron. Both would oppose the organization, one for morals and the villain for ego.
Can someone tell me why Prog X or Emma did not know Moira's endplan? Two of the most powerful telepath and Moira open up her mind to both.
U do a great job of explaining the comics. I downloaded the series and was unsure of some things. U cleared it up for me, thanks bro
Yo Nimrod looks badass here.
Nimrod goated
I'm not even a Jonathan Hickman Fan, but this run is probably the Greatest section of X-Men lore and overall Storytelling in its History and the Best expansion on the Future of the Mutant Race.
Is it psychic energy that blows nimrod apart or is it the return of Charles telekinetic powers ?Charles had telekinesis when his character was first started .
When did he ever have telekinetic powers, that scene completely took me off guard.
Hickman deserves some awards for this run
This story was trash, they went through all of this to come up with another "no more mutants" point and turn Moira into a villain....
I just showed my 4 year old nephew X-men 2 and he loves it. Gasping at nightcrawler teleporting at the beginning and also loves magnetos escape scene. I’m very proud 🥲
This entire X-Men run was AMAZING!. Really a blast to watch from house and powers of x to this point!
Mystique will always be mystique. Even though she got destiny back, she still screws everyone over.
More realistic Magneto vs Nimrod.
1. Nimrod hits magneto.
2. Nimrod is cancelled in Marvel comics for beating a Holocaust survivor.
Man, Inferno was so damn satisfying!!! Great conclusion locking in the current status quo for the foreseeable future.
Did omega not know magneto could control metal ? Lol
Omega doesn't want to have history unfold as it did before, she wants to change it to bring about the rise of the machines.
This Nimrod is about the same as the Nimrod the Lesser that killed Apocalypse in Moira's life 9.
Moira's cure wouldn't affect mutants who already have powers, and they're functionally immortal with Krakoa, so mutants wouldn't have died out, they'd become like the Eternals.
No new mutants could be created/born, but they would face extinction if the resurrection process was ever crippled (1 of the 5 dies.) And this current Nimrod is the best version I've seen.
@@marseanharper2785You'd assume the mutants wouldn't take the cure themselves. They could also use a variation of the resurrection process to produce children. They have backups for the five and should have replaced the husks of them that were destroyed.
Beyond Omega Level: Enerjak(Archie Sonic)
Beyond Omega Level: Abeloth(Star Wars)
I don't understand why Xavier said they won't remember if they die there. Couldn't he just reach out to Emma or cerebro on the island and back his memory up instantly?
I need to correct you here Rob. Apocalypse was fighting at least 3 or for Nimrods before he was defeated. This scene was meant to be a parallel to that in POX
Yeh it’s that nimrod can overwhelm any individual mutant
Yeah it was major PIS. Even 5 Nimrods shouldn't be able take down Apocalypse. Rogue with Colossus's powers destroyed one Nimrod.
@@alissa6 that was nimrod the lesser this is nimrod the greater
I have watched this multiple times, but I was waiting patiently for you to recant this story. Thanks my friend. It is greatly appreciated.
This story is epic and magneto vs two nimrods and holding his own again epic. I can't wait to see where they take the x men next
This was a good issue. Xavier and Magneto are a dangerous duo.
I had to see your take on this. I have been thinking and mentioned it on other CZcamsr sites, that Moira's future isn't so bleak as you proposed. The weapon used on Moira was one that Forge used on Storm and yet, she recovered her power. It 'depowers' a mutant, but it doesn't mean they aren't mutant anymore. Secondly, with Trial of Magneto, we've seen Scarlet Witch, a non-mutant revived through the resurrection protocol, because she was once backed up as a mutant. That is one option that could be brought back because the Quiet Council will reach the mindset that given Moira's experiences, that she is necessary to be brought back, much as some of the depowered mutants through crucible are brought back. Third, Scarlet Witch's recent in Trial and Darkhold, has already created a virtual environment of previous mutants, that John Proudstar or Thunderbird is brought back, thus Moira could still be brought back as Mutant, and thus, her '10' life may not end even if she is depowered. Is the timeline, her life, or her power? By depowering her timeline life, doesn't that mean the timeline ends? Having a car loses power while going one hundred miles fast. If the fuel runs out, but somehow, while traveling, the car could be refueled, would the engine be able to restart and continue? Or Scarlet Witch might Chao magic and change her back into mutant ability. The other thought is that given Moira's numerous lives, she has knowledge of events/technologies that could make her incredibly wealthy/well off that given Destiny should be more worried about Orchis/Nimrod-Omega Sentinel threat than Moira, as if she were able to foresee Moira's threat so early, why didn't she see the threat of Nimrod-Omega Sentinel? As for the Quiet Council, the ending would also produce the fact that none of the current members of the Council can ever be replaced for worry of the 'secret' that they all share? Given the power of Proteus and Brian Braddock's brother being power reality changers, they could easily 'depower' the mutants or empower, lots of impact that other mutants might not be happy with them keeping a secret. Given Cypher/Warlock/Krakoa unity, with tech infection for communication, aren't they headed for a closer affinity to Omega-Sentinel/Nimrod, which poses a question of Krakoa vs Arakko, who are not the old compatibility? The shift in power with Emma complicit with Mystique/Destiny, Sebastion and Sinister, with Peter being unknown for his brother's manipulation, could be dire consequences for the Krakoa's survival in the future, since Destiny/Mystique might segue the prophies of future events? Is that why Blindfold is resurrected? Complications galore.
Bae The Blood Moon is one of the best characters to come out of the X-Men comics in years. 😊
I mean couldn’t Mystique call in a favor from the Ghost Rider to kill Moria since from what this videos says she definitely Gulty of alot of Evil and that would have solved the Reincarnation problem without making her human.
Ghost Rider owes Mystique? In what way?
Half the time just finding the guy is a nightmare (heh).
How did you take from this that Moira was evil? More to the point, doesn't Ghost Rider only have the power to mega kill you if you've got souls that you've hurt? Moira hasn't hurt anyone
@@Malthizar Ghost Rider determines what is "sinful" doesnt he? Also really just tase moira and put her in a padded cell.. she is basically a human in resistance levels
Moira’s intentions are entirely pure, and she technically has a moral claim in her perspective, considering only her solution would prevent the inevitable suffering of mutantkind. No alternative has been presented thus far, so I think it’s be BS to condemn her to hell because she wanted to help mutants the “wrong” way.
Gotta say...this is why Hickman is amazing and just how awesome the X-men are and can be
When Charles and magneto find out that Moira had her power taken away, they can use the rebirth and she will have her power to be reborn again. Destiny would know about it, but other than influence neither her or Mystique have real strength of force to stop them and Xavier can mind bend Destiny from telling anyone while they go to do it. So at the very least, there would always be a reset.
She can’t because her mind has never been recorded since she has been in hiding 😢
X Men gets so philosophical, the one thing that got me is why Charles asked Doug to visit Krokoa knowing what his powers and personality are like. If that did not come into play later, it's a series of explosions that can't be stopped. Unless Charles had no idea this was a card, he had no idea he was playing. Well done issue. So good it reveals the error of writers not having long term deals in comics, if this is Hickman's baby he should see to its development.
If there is any going forward from here it's what I always wanted for mutants the lack of infighting Charles sees them as a species but on every level, they are divided this series united them all with cause and a future.
This works so well; Marvel should draw up terms of use policy on how future stories should be protected in narrative recon of a new writer should not touch the core union of this story to have it never happen. I will also say marvel seem to have set a stage they are aware there is a future destination for the X Men and Mutants.
I like what was set on the Council they all have the sword of Damocles on them with this knowledge; it was also a measure that keeps Charles and Erik's seat but does not toss them out or where Sabertooth is. It is rightfully so that they all know.
Nimrod vs Ultron. Or Nimrod and Ultron.
Which would make for a better tale?
Nimrod vs Ultron = The incoming Super Mecha heavy weight challenger vs The bot that took over how many different timelines had to be hacked to death?
The ultimate robot is Danger. Marvel classed Danger as level 8.
Ultron and Tri-Sentinel as level 7.
Nimrod, Vision, Omega Sentinel, Master Mold, Bastion and War Machine as level 6.
Iron Man and Deathlok as level 5.
Silvermane as level 4.
I mention this only because now they both exclusively hate humans. And to them, mutants are humans.
This would force humanity to join forces with mutants and non-humans and lead to more acceptance of mutants.
13:05 Rob be hulking up, like Hulk Hogan. That energy going Through the roof.
13:09, a story got so good, Rob started to literally quiver.
Facts lmao 😂🤣
Ultron vs nimrod
13:18 had me hyped magneto is my favorite character ever
I just would like to ask, did no one notice that Ramsey gave MacTaggert the transmode virus to remake her arm? Now in one instance, that could possibly be what Moria's Wikipedia entry says;"Perhaps Moira's merger with Warlock will give her a better understanding of the Technarchy, the alien species that Warlock comes from." Also, it could give Ramsey the ability to keep tabs on her.
Also, since she is now part human, and part machine, two of mutantkind foes, she maybe become more dangerous since both Destiny and Mystique want her dead, and Moria now has no support.
All in all, I really hope Marvel doesn't screw up what Hickman has left them with.
Wait... Quick question. Have Ultron and Nimrod ever crossed paths? I feel like Nimrod is mich more menacing and would give Ultron hands... Also it would be interesting to see if their interests align...
Magneto was giving Nimrod hell and he was using only his ferrokinesis, which apparently Marvel think is his only power.
A few years ago, in X-men black, Magneto showed what he could do.
Literally unmade and reassembled a person by their atoms...Mags is hella op
@@ReeceHoward06 a man of culture as well.
@@Alemag_ Yessir! Im seeing comments in this very video insinuating that Mags shouldn't be able to beat a Nimrod when Apocalypse couldn't...im like, based on feats alone: Peak Mags>Apocalypse. Not only can he rip apart a human with the ease of a gesture, he's done this to Apocalypse in AoA...and he's way weaker in that timeline.lol Mags is a beast.
@@ReeceHoward06 agreed. In Mike Carey's run, he could interfere with human synapses, putting one to sleep.
It seems like Hickman ignored all that for plot's sake.
@@ReeceHoward06 hell, why didn't he used an emp after Cerebro was destroyed by Nimrod?
Oh yeah. This definitely feels like Hickman got a bunch of money and yeeted himself out of Marvel. Not exactly the big climax on-par with his finale when he worked in Avengers. Still well-written. Just…expected more.
Well al Ewing, Gerry Duggan, Kieron Gillen and si spurrier are taking over the reigns it seems. Excited for their continuation of this era. And I’m still a truther that Hickman will be back in 3 years or so
@@Neuroticmancer Oh god. It's like DC Rebirth when Geoff Johns stepped down for a bit and Scott Snyder and Bendis took over all over again. To be fair, I trust those writers in Marvel a lot more than Scott and Bendis, but still...
@@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache I think DC rebirth didn’t have the writers room format x stuff does to maintain cohesive vision and momentum. That’s the real longlasting thing Hickman brought to marvel. All of the writers have talked about how there’s nothing else like it in comics. And yeh I also trust the x writers here more than bendis and Snyder. Have faith. Wait and see.
When Rob gets HYPED telling a story, I'm ready to run out into the streets and start a revolution!
Honestly, it's difficult to say who's right here. Seriously. It's easy to say Moira is the wrong person, but she's been trying to make the model-T for over 1,000 years and it just doesn't work. At what point do you stop and say, "Maybe I'm looking at this all wrong."?
On the other hand, the mutants only can cite this one, new, fresh experience. At what point do you say, "You had the right idea, but that 3 should've been a 7."?
Both arguments are legitimately justified and I'm honestly interested in seeing how things turn out.
Personally, I think Moira was right simply because this is a comic series, so there can never truly be lasting peace for the XMen.
Here's the thing of it, I think. On the one hand, the "whole story" or big picture no longer is Hickman's to tell and hasn't been for a while now. There's going to be elements moving forward now that aren't written as well but they WILL be forced into and upon what's happened here. They'll come from the X Lives/X Deaths of Wolverine arcs, and possibly the upcoming Avengers versus X-Men versus Eternals thing, called _Judgement Day._ So it's the nature of it that we don't know what's going to happen, and also it likely won't be good.
Breaking it down further: Moira's perspective, as such, is that "mutants always lose" but that is her implicit bias talking here. The current (Hickman) take on the character is that she's always been repulsed by mutants and that the only way to "save them" is by literally castrating them before the humans or the A.I. machines get to them.
From what we've seen the A.I. machine perspective is that "mutants always win", but that's their implicit bias talking here since the ones we know about, _all_ of the ones we know about on the X-Men side of affairs, are derived from Sentinels, machines made to murder mutants. So if they keep seeing scenarios where their planned-for genocide never happens, or if they see scenarios where they don't get to do it, because the mutants are wiped out by MacTaggert (as such) first, well, what are they supposed to think, then? They never get to do what they're designed to do.
You can keep repeating these same things with mutants and with humans too: that their positions on the other races are informed by their implicit biases, that there are no unbiased players as yet. This plays out very much like a Hickman story, albeit with a Young Adult Novel flavor (Which Faction are you? Mutant, A.I., Transhuman, Mainstream Human or MCU Almighty?). On the one hand this means you could make this a new status quo indefinitely.
On the other? Marvel Comics won't allow that since putting all mutants on Krakoa literally takes the X-Books about as far "outside the scope of comic books" as anything Chris Claremont could have imagined. So what do you do?
You make Judgement Day. You call out Krakoa for being a _Deviant_ and not a mutant, saying he was a weapon the Eternals were going to use to erase their experiment gone bad. Or some such. Then you have the Avengers show up pulling the literal " . . .but 'not all' humans have an implicit bias" argument even though on a societal level _societies_ act as if everyone does. In short you shovel a LOT of predictable and very much Disney-Mandated MCU Supremacy all over the thing until people get disgusted with it. It solves the "problem" of Hickman's scenario, but not in any way fans appreciate of course. In the end the Company is all that matters and they get their excuse to "go back to the previously shitty new normal." Seriously.
@awesomelife98 I know. I read a lot of that back when it was new. :) I'm just saying, what Marvel Comics, as such, and what Disney in particular, want are completely different from what makes decent X-Men writing. Marvel wants superheroes because that IS their niche. They could have stuck with romance comics (they once owned the market on those) but they didn't. Disney just plain wants Intellectual Property to exploit that doesn't interfere with their MCU Parade (to put it politely). Neither of these lets you do decent X-Men writing long-term because nobody wants character-oriented hard science fiction in a comic book. Look up how many people on these videos have whined and complained that they "didn't get" the early, political issues of this Inferno arc. There's a piece of your answer. Some people have no patience with anything that isn't KA-POW or Ker-SPLAT Flavored. **lol**
Nimrod killing or even beating Apocalypse is major PIS. Remember he get destroyed by Rogue with Colossus' power. In the cartoons he got destroyed by Bishop, Storm and Wolverine.
Actually he got damaged so much that he was forced to travel back to the future
nimrod should team up with ultron
Everything seems pretty convenient for Laura McTaggart. Destiny may have precognition but Laura has actually lived several timelines in person. Everything going on just seems to suit her
Its Moira
@@jeremiahmorris1852 hopefully this lady ain't gonna come for me in this time line 🤭
@@sagenerd419 she trained to be a assassin in one life, you are so done for!