Disney Star Wars vs 3 Dorks in a Park
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I really like how the third guy, that is not fighting is kept outside the camera. Even otherwise competent movies often make the mistake to show how there is that guy just waiting for something to happen.
We see him hit and go down, where he is forgotten. His return at the end is as much a surprise to the audience as to the sith.
It also directs attention to the fight
Let's see: The characters in Disney use big telegraphed swings, no force powers and when they fight multiple opponents, the opponents use the "wait for your turn" technique.
Meanwhile, the 3 dorks have solid use of force powers, the 2 Jedi try to cover each other and we get a believable reason why one or the other is temporarily out of the fight.
"Planning" and the sequel trilogy shouldn't be in the same conversation.
Only if "had none" was part of that conversation.
Why? Each movie was clearly planned by the people who made them.
@@Nerobyrne even George stated in an interview that he didn’t plan out all the episodes.
@@Nerobyrne Let's be real, each movie was planned out on the back of a napkin with crayons in Kennedy's office in the space of 10 minutes. At most.
The issue is, it was planned by a bunch of women
okay, this may seem like a weird compliment but the guy with the blue lightsaber is really good at slipping and falling in a way that looks real.
which for those who don't know is really hard to pull off without at least some training because the human body's natural instinct is to slow a fall in any way possible, especially if the fall is on purpose because your brain doesn't want you to get injured.
2v1 and blue lightsaber still had to resort to a sneaky backstab. XD
Clearly a difference in skill level.
Even at a disadvantage, the combatant that is better trained, or have been training the longest, will ALWAYS come out on top. None of this "focus for a second, and bam I'm better than you now" playground style fighting in the horrible non-canon trilogy
@@deathsheir2035 No, advantages can count for a lot. The fighting in the sequel trilogy is terrible and has no excuse for how horribly bad it is, but clarity of focus and situational advantages do matter, to say nothing of physical conditioning, reach, and other such physical advantages.
As soon as I saw a still camera that was not 50 cm away so we could see the action in all it's glory, I already liked it more.
A *really* neat detail that might be unintentional is how the Jedi don't use the Force, aside from when they cannot use their blade. This is the exact reason why Form VI was made; relaxed bladework allowing more opportunity to use the Force. The Jedi can't use the Force in combat much, as they require concentration and peace. The Sith, meanwhile, pull from their rage and adrenaline; they can use the Force even instinctively, so it makes sense for one to use the Force during combat more than a Jedi.
If it is intentional, it's crazy that three men in CZcams know more about lightsaber fighting styles than the writers at Disney
Everytime I see Rey beating a veteran force wielder trained by Luke Skywalker the very first time she touches a saber, by just swinging it like a baseball bat, a little part of my soul dies
*carefully edited to ignore the entire first half of the fight in which Kylo Ren was actually in control and holding his own well enough to put an uncoordinated Rey on the defensive and on the run*
@@snakeboy1912 and then rey concentrates for 2 seconds and somehow overpowers kylo, that fight is still trash
@@ieat1000bananaThe Dark Side is "the quick and easy path" to power, Yoda told us this in 1980. Rey gave into the Dark Side at the end of the fight so she won against someone who was never trying to kill her in the first place. What is so hard to understand about that?
@@JainaSoloB312 that it is terribly inconsistent with everything George’s prequels and also just insane lazy writing. That might work with force abilities but not with lightsaber dueling. Lightsaber dueling needs actual training. In fact it is primarily used against other force welders when latent force abilities aren’t enough. As was stated by count dooku when he told Yoda that there powers of the force aren’t enough to decide a winner so their skills with a lightsaber should be. Jedis train in extremely coherent and well established styles and cross train to deal with even experts yet this guy can’t even beat somebody who has never fought even a youngling.
@@JainaSoloB312 Training will always beat 0 training - always and forever.
actual cool looking flips/spins that don't insta death the performer. tactical strikes. coherent move set. fight doesn't fall apart the moment a 3rd fighter joins. good use of force powers. understanding that you can use your hand/arm not holding the saber. character actually does the smart thing and attacks bad guy from behind.
3 random dudes in the park having fun. better than a multi billion $ conglomerate
This is why the Jedi and Sith should give up on dueling and settle their disputes with a friendly game of baseball.
The three dorks had some pretty sweet choreography.
It is so nice to see ways of building tension in fight scenes and making it feel fluid without very many cuts. Not that cuts are bad in principle, but I feel like they are relied upon too much in modern cinema and fight scenes to build tension and hide choreography. Wonderful job.
3 dorks in a park describes almost every fan film made since the phantom menace xD
1 minute and yet so much more happens than disney lightsabers duels 5 times as long.
One thing I'd like to see in a lightsaber fight is false "edge" cuts.
Coot stuff, by the way. Being involved in a Star Wars fight would be a dream job
The funny part is that false edge cuts become “stronger” with light sabers since there really is no ‘true’ edge when using a laser sword
Cool as this is, II am going to be getting a slew of how Disney Star Wars is the death of humanity CZcams recommendations and I don’t wanna deal with that.
Great choreography though guys.
i actually love the rants, personally.
I love how much effort when into this just for a sequels suck meme
Excellent 2v1 fight! Nicely done.
We should all applaud for the cameraman
What separates you dorks from Disney is enthusiasm and dedication.
Props to you guys for making such an awesome battle! I’m part of my school’s lightsaber club and people like you inspire us to be better at what we do!
Love the hateful 8 style ending
I love how committed they are. Same stuff we used to do as kids. I always had the green saber. Either Luke or Qui Gon. Blue is true, but green cuts best!
Two Jedi Knights go to intercept a Sith trying to recover a holocron from the Academy.
(The holocron has Drake's text message conversations on it)
I'm not even saying this as someone who was disappointed with the sequel trilogy...3 Dorks win this contest, hands down.
You guys do GREAT Star Wars stuff!
Would love to get the back story of how a red light saber and blue teamed up against another red!
On my first watch I was really confused who was fighting who because of the mixed colors on one side but now I’m more intrigued!
its supposed to be orange
I thought the video is going to be about three guys invading the Star Wars part of Disney Land. But this works well enough.
3 dorks in a park sound like a really good band or album name
Love how the sith throws sevral faints to drive the aponent back and move his guard
Oh no! He got impaled by a lightsabre?? That will take a good week to get over! 😂
Still, really cool! I like the effort and enthusiasm they put into this project. You can feel the love for the source material. 😊
Now thats some real swordsmanship one would like to see in Star wars
Kyle Ren really did get his ass whooped by a girl swinging a lightsabe like a baseball bat
Hell yeah. This just made my day.
Better than Hollywood! Awesome choreography!
The Dorks take it.
You did better in one minute than Disney did in 3 movies
Honestly i don't watch star wars anymore, haven't for a very long time. But i admire you guys and the art you do, much better than those movies recently. Actual been taking your advice and practicing different moves with my kendo sword, don't have an opponent but shadow boxing is just as good. Keep up the awesome work my friend
Simply beautiful!
Something I want to do as an experiment or that I want you to do as an experiment. Put extremely strong neodymium magnets inside the hollow tube of the lightsabers. They are in lore magnetic so it would be interesting to see how things react and how combat changes when the blades can attract and repel each other.
At least in the Episode 8 Rey's lack of training actually worked in her favor because a skilled duelist like Kylo might intially have so difficultly with random fury. But it doesn't make since in future movies.
This fight was pretty good though.
New Star Wars trailer looks like its gonna be a block buster. ❤
at least the guy when he was stabbed that already makes it better than everything disney did.
HOLY CRAP THAT WAS GOOD.
All i can say is, spectacular
I think the video speaks for itself
i heard the sequel's title was likely to be Return of the Nerd
Star wars™: REVENGE OF THE DORKS
Star wars™: RISE OF THE DORKS
You did a really good job with your fight, but why did you have to take a swipe at the movie first?
Honestly a shame how Disney failed on the choreography so badly.
Hey, I could never call you three dorks in a park. Dorks don't spend the time to train their athletics.
In fairness, the idea of this is that the lightsaber combat of the sequel trilogy is done by a bunch of amateurs, and the combat of the prequels was when they were at the height of their power and skill. Much of that skill and technique has progressively been lost throughout the years because the practitioners died without passing it on.
peak cinematic
I mean… the results speak for themselves, don’t you think?
disney would never stand for this you died to a lightsaber thats so inaccurate
Exceptional
Tarantino ahh scene; I love it 😂😂😂
I'll give you "months of production" but, "years of planning"?
these "dorks" rehearsed a lot before shooting, more than Disney probably.
Not really.
We choreographed it in about 20 minutes, we rehearsed it two different times for about 30 minutes, and it took us about 40 minutes to shoot it.
Some of our other fights do take a lot of time. But this one was kind of just for fun.
@@SellswordArts still I think you've put way more time into this than Disney into the whole trilogy
Applaus 🎉
Everyone crapping on TFA when this is probably “better” than anything in the OT too.
Personally I like the clunkiness of TFA.
Are you saying that the Force awakens is better than the OT? Or are you saying the choreography is?
@@SellswordArts sorry I should clarify. I think your choreography is also better than the OT - and the OT had plenty of sick samurai films to be inspired by.
I think that some lightsaber fights after the prequels but not all. may have been a response to criticisms of over choreography.
@@bluesunrising4500 Only by virtue of what they had available to them at the time, forty years ago at the earliest. Even then, they primarily used precise strikes that make more sense when your weapon is going to deal the same amount of damage no matter how hard it hits while swinging wildly is basically sticking a 'please kill me now' sign to one's forehead.
Also, people have dissected fights such as the throne room scene and... well, when you start noticing the cracks, the whole thing falls apart.
I mean the OT had the most grounded and realistic combat of any of the trilogy, it just wasnt super flashy and felt a bit tedious at times. The prequels were the most flashy and most obnoxious and the sequels were kinda a mid way between the OT and Prequels bit without much of the strengths of either.
Amazing they did better than a movie
The problem with the Star Wars reboot was definitely not insufficent dorks
That was really good. Too good to be compared to the sequel trilogy. That's a real low bar. I think I had more interesting fight scenes pretending to be a ninja turtle when I was a kid compared to the sequel trilogy.
How did you manage to do it so well and realistic,lightsabers you can buy aren't the sturdiest of things
The ones I'm using are actually really good. You can check them out on my recommended gear list on my homepage!
Not enough taken advantage of in films, the enemy gets interrupted in the opening they tried to exploit by the second combatent. Or hero.
Holly crap this fight gave me chills from the intensity
Dorkin Park
"I've been looking forward to this."
I prefer three Star DORKS in a Park :D
Hey, give credit where it's due. You also had a budget for the costumes, camera, and Lightsabers.
A 5 year old with Legos could do better then the entire Disney star wars trilogy.
There is irony in the fact that CZcamsrs can make better quality swordfight (lightsaber in this case) choreography than people working on literal Hollywood films.
I love Sellswordarts and always enjoy your content, but I'm a little confused on what you were going for here. If it was just a comparison between what is possible for amateur film dorks to do these days, then bravo. But the text overlay at the start seems to imply, "they had all these resources, but we look way better." And if that was the take, I gotta call it a swing and a miss.
On the film side we have a fight between, yes, a novice and a veteran with great special effects and multiple angles to show the flow and movement of the fight, and bring us into the action. Also recall that the veteran is half dead in this fight, and the "novice" as everyone likes to troll her, really isn't what she seems and that's the point of the movie. Everyone always conveniently overlooks the market place fight on Jakku where Rey beats the snot out of two guys. She is clearly non-plussed by the whole situation, to show she has plenty of experience/skill with violence.
On the other side, we have three dorks with lightsabers fighting outside a mini-mart. Fun choreography but the single shot definitely limits the angles and highlights where there's a pause or hesitation in the movements. And the single camera also feels like we're just watching from the sidelines, as opposed to being part of the action.
So again I ask, what were you actually going for with this post? Just a fun side-by-side comparison to show your own skills, or was it meant as a troll against a 9 year old movie about magic space wizard with psychic powers?
So, this is a common defense of the new choreography. And I don't think it holds up.
It doesn't look like a novice versus a veteran, it looks like two actors badly executing poorly planned choreography.
There's a way to choreograph somebody versus somebody else with an experience gap. In fact I just filmed a video on it today.
A lot of people try and pass off that choreography and say that it's good because Ray doesn't know what she's doing, but it doesn't look like she's fighting kylo, it looks like she's badly executing choreography, and the same thing with him.
And the cuts are terrible. They cut every 5 seconds, you can't tell what's going on, and that's on purpose. The reason that that film does so many cuts is to hide the fact that the choreography was so bad.
One single tracking shot means that you can't hide anything. Yeah, we don't have the budget for explosions and a great background, but the fight is much better.
I stand by my video 😁
That doesn't mean you have to agree though. You're totally entitled to have your own opinion.
DO A FLIP BRO
In defense of The Force Awakens:
It's plausible that neither Rey nor Kylo were well-trained in lightsaber combat. If we consider Luke was mostly self-taught (Yoda seemed to focus on teaching him control of the Force), it makes sense for the lightsaber duels of episode VII to be more crude.
...That said, there are a million other things that make the sequel trilogy an absolute trainwreck. I just think that the lightsaber choreography is not really one of them.
I just made a video talking about why them not being trained well is a bad excuse for the choreography. Go check it out!
For channels that focus on high-skill fencing, it's easy to forget that the purpose of a fight scene is to tell a story, not necessarily show off how cool and skilled the characters are. Large, telegraphed, amateur moves are often a deliberate choice to tell you that a character is a novice, or highly emotional, or mentally/physically compromised, so seeing that used as a criticism so frequently is pretty telling. I really think that approaching this type of critique from the angle that the low level of swordsmanship on display makes them "bad" is a bit wrongheaded and missing the point of a fight scene in the first place. Both are valid ways to tell a story.
Love your content, and I know I'm not going to change any minds here, so that's all I'll say on that. Looking forward to more of your videos!
I would actually disagree with you here, and I have a video coming out soon that explains why!
What we're seeing in the first clip isn't an inexperienced fighter, we're seeing bad choreography, or at least bad execution.
There is a way to choreograph a fight scene to show that one person is inexperienced and the other person is experienced. That's not what they did.
I hope you enjoy the video when it comes out!
The difference is these three dorks are all fencers, and none of all the thousands of Disney employees who worked on the movies were.
Only one of them is a fencer. The other two are actors who learned stage combat, and trained with the fencer.
It can be done. Just takes some effort
This is better.
I don’t think the Sequel choreography is great but imo it’s leagues better than the Circui Solei choreography of the prequels.
Like the sequels at least feel semi realistic instead of unnecessary twirls, spins, reverse gripping etc.
Like the prequels commit more sword fighting sins imo.
The sequels have twirls and spins and reverse grip. And they're also executed in such a way that they look clunky and bad.
I'm not a fan of the aesthetic of the prequel fights, but they were masterfully executed.
The OT has by far the best blend of storytelling and technique in my opinion.
Wild
Putting those little feints in goes SO FAR towards making characters look like they're reacting to each other instead of just performing choreography. So the audience feels like there are stakes instead of a set outcome. The other performers just need to bite on the feints / react a little to them instead of waiting for the upcoming choreographed connection (But I mean, for a few hours in the park I'm absolutely not complaining, this is me raving).
With Disney money, you can basically just improve the environment and your ability to show and sell Force powers being used (Plus you would have oodles more time to plan the narrative and practice the sweet middle ground between choreography and "realism"). The fact that movies with such gigantic budgets instead use this money to cut between a hundred different camera angles to purposefully make it HARD to follow the action is infinitely frustrating (And that started in the prequels... the only entertaining lightsaber fight is in Phantom Menace. Come at me).
Good work lads like well earned
Disney is an embarrassment you guys did it better in a long shot
You could have used one of the “better” fight scenes in the franchise and still made an excellent … well not “point” I said that already 😅
Remember how people talked about the Star Wars prequels like they were the worst movies ever made, when really, come on, they weren't THAT bad? The Clone Wars actually IS that bad.
- Film critic, Eric D. Snider[49]
Entertainment Weekly listed Star Wars: The Clone Wars as one of the five worst films of 2008[39] with critic Owen Gleiberman saying,
It's hard to tell the droids from the Jedi drones in this robotic animated dud, in which the George Lucas Empire Strikes Back-at the audience. What wears you out is Lucas' immersion in a Star Wars cosmology that has grown so obsessive-compulsively cluttered yet trivial that it's no longer escapism; Because this movie has bad lightsaber duels and the lack of the original cast, it's something you want to escape from.[39]
Music used???
To be fair, I think JJ Abrams was focusing on dramatic effect and cinematography over choreography
Still doesn’t excuse why we shouldn’t have great fight choreography
Haha yeah that was pretty metal how they all died 🤘💀 live by the lightsaber die by the lightsaber
I mean, you got a 1 v 1 between a lightsaber newbie and a guy bleeding out having a breakdown. Not exactly a good comparison for a 2 v 1 battle between un-injured pros.
I know the lightsaber fights in the OT are not... impressive. To this day. But Luke vs Vader in both ESB and RotJ are packed with tension and atmosphere, no matter how they lack in technique, VFX and finesse.
In the other hand, the fights in the prequels are the opposite, there´s too much flourish and overworked choreography, almost to a fault.
But to me, honestly, the sequels are THE underwhelming and disappointing fights in the whole saga... they lack finesse, they lack a well-planned choreography, sometimes they´re raw, other times they´re quite... boring. Disney, Kennedy and Abrams and Johnson... damn.
But all is not lost. Filoni and Favreau did some really nice fights in Mandalorian and Ahsoka.
Compared to your duel, I think the duels in the sequels were better… at letting people down. Perfect example of how money can’t buy everything. You can put a picture of dog poo and put it in the fanciest frame in the world, but it’s not gonna change the fact that it’s a picture of dog poo.
Three sword nerds in a park with third-party lightsabers took a handful of hours and made a better lightsaber duel than a multi-billion dollar movie megacompany with trained actors and potentially a year or two of prep.
Disney took a world-renowned movie series regarded as one of the best in history, re-hashed the original three movies with worse plot clarity and badly-written characters, and called it better than the originals. The only thing “better” about the sequels was the available tech. Everything else sucked. You cannot change my mind on that. The fact that their writers and fight-choreographers are being out-done by amateur actors with actual knowledge about swords is impressively shocking.
Star Wars Clone Wars film The only Star Wars Razzie
On Rotten Tomatoes, the film has an approval rating of 19% based on 172 reviews, with an average rating of 4.2/10. The site's critical consensus reads: "Mechanical animation and a less-than stellar script make The Clone Wars a pale shadow of George Lucas' once great franchise."[35] This constituted the lowest Rotten Tomatoes rating of any Star Wars film; all nine theatrical films ranged from 51% to 95% and the made-for-television Ewok films and the Star Wars Holiday Special garnered higher ratings, although their averages encompassed far fewer reviews.[36]
Awesomeness better than disney
definitely a lot better than the movie but you are the guy saying, "that you're not attacking the blade, you're attacking the person wielding that blade" 😑😑
Yes, I am saying that. You should also probably watch my videos talking about when it's appropriate to attack the blade. Every time someone targets the blade it is to displace it creating an opening
This more like the 3 gods vs the 2 clueless copycats, Disney's work look like amature hours worst than any beginner on youtube.
While you guys look like you have done your homework, and that you have done this before as well, it's too well done.
I like how the sequels added weight to the lightsabers. I know it was probably unintentional but the weight makes sense. Lightsabers loss weight the more you meditate with it. So it would make sense why Rey swings the lightsaber like that and kylo doesn’t really seem like the type of person to meditate.
It's a metal hilt with a blade that weighs literally nothing, by all accounts that 'weighs less as you attune to it' nonsense was exclusive to the 'Darksaber', we've never seen it with any other laser sword no matter who's using it.
They have no reason being swung around like clubs, unless their plan is to bash through the opponent's defences it doesn't matter how hard they're swung, it's still going to cut if it hits. Unless they're wearing cortosis, but I don't think anyone at Disney knows about that armour, especially not if they didn't know about Korriban.
@@Lord_Numpty that doesn’t sound like you respect my opinion
“This choreography… I can learn it?”
“Not from a Jedi”
It makes sense bc rey was completely untrained but had working knowledge for staff fighting. ( Wide power strikes) And reverse grip and fighting someone who didn't want to kill her VS Kylo who was not trained as a sith bc of his power potential . On top of there was no available ways for either to study true forms or the level of force knowledge that Anakin and Yoda had access to and palpatine would never let him have what he hid for forms or force abilities and wasn't a master at Luke's academy probably barely a knight so Ben learned 3 rings of defense from Luke . But didn't learn how to utilize a cross guard from Luke . This would definitely help fighting Jedi . It opens up new avenues of attack and defense.
It makes sense they would be like this in first movie. I don't know why there was no improvement in the last . Being trained by then by laia should improve.... something
Brilliant! So much better than Disney!