The best part is that the angels in Bayonetta are arguably worse than demons with how vain and deceptive they are (break off their masks and see what kind of a horrible monster they really are).
easy fix to this situation make it a monotheistic world if one or just change the pantheons to be those of the ones taking issue with it on a religious bases. As for magic you can evil getting it from the devil or holy spells granted by the blessing of said religions to fight evil. Its what i am going to do with my sisters kids once they get old enough to understand and can enjoy the game. You don't really have to change much and you can get the help of the player or players in your game to not fudge up the religion. on the other hand it didn't really go anywhere and a mix of peoples rl and covid i created a halfling cleric that worshiped Rye the Bread God and was working on the ultimate taunt hitting the target with a piece of bread. 50% chance you will be targeted till you die and a 25% chance it would get in raged and boost all its stats. because really in the middle of a fight or your picking a fight with a piece of bread.
Stories like this always dishearten me a bit. I'm Scottish, and was raised hard Catholic. But whenever I encountered some hobby, or whatever, that might be considered questionable, my parents sat me down and talked it out. As a result, I had a very clear division between fantasy and reality, and they were generally fine and accepting of most stuff I was into, even if they weren't super comfortable with it themselves. Just so long as I wasn't breaking any hard tenets while doing it and I went to church. Didn't really see tabletop or video gaming as any more harmful then seeing or being in a stage play or movie, and even if I was a 'bad' person in the games, they accepted it like playing a bad role in a play or movie. So every time I see people use religion as an excuse to limit people over entirely frivolous things like this, it just... makes me sad. It's almost like they're forgetting a lot of core tenets themselves. My da was always a bit amused, and maybe a little proud, that I tended to play stuff like D&D with the intent to help people. Even if they weren't *real* people, he liked the idea his kids were good people. Or at least tryin'.
@@baneoftheundead8064 Kind of both? Spent a tiny bit over half my life in Inverness, joined the RAF, then married a cute American lad and shipped out to the States. Think it's been almost.. 10 years since I was last in Scotland, really. Kind of don't stop being Scottish either way, though. Too stubborn. There's an obvious connotation of being Presbyterian, but Catholicism still makes up a bit under half of Christianity. Being a tiny bit presumptuous, as I get that a fair bit otherwise and wanted to get ahead of it this time.
@@liallen9380 Cool. I was wondering about the "Catholic" part lol, my father's paternal line is from Glasgow, my great grand dad was "full Scottish" you might say, on both sides, my surname is Carrick, and of course, they're all Presbys XD From what I gather, Both Ireland and Scotland don't care much for Irish and Scottish Americans very much on account of them claiming to be those things when they're actually, well, "Irish/Scottish Americans", is that true?
My mom is very religious, nothing wrong with that. I was unsure about telling her I had started playing DND. I told her I was playing a cleric, a cleric specifically to Ilmater, the god of the Oppressed. She seemed nervous about it at first, until I described to her what kind of god Ilmater is in the DnD Universe. My mom is now happy to know that I play a character serving righteously to protect the weak, to treat others kindly and to be charitable and tolerant to those who are in need.
@@chistiancentrone592 Probably because I am almost 30 years old and am more than capable of making these decisions without my mother’s approval. I wanted to tell her, because I think it is important to be honest about who we are as people. I wanted her to know about DND and how much I enjoy it as a hobby. My mom and I were separated for a long while when I was growing up (because of complicated reasons). It’s important to be able to bridge that gap, even if we are different as people. My mom loves and accepts me for who I am, whether she fully understands my interests or not. I was only anxious about telling her because I wasn’t sure what she would think of it lol 😂 It is also important to note that she grew up in the era of the “DND Satanic Panic,” and being able to talk openly about it helped her understand the misconceptions she had about the game itself.
@@daffadilly Wait until she finds out about your next character, the Fallen Aasimar Oathbreaker Paladin soul-trader who works for a Coven of Hags in the Abyss! In all seriousness though, glad you were able to bridge that gap with your mother; that was a smart way of easing her into the idea of DND. Much love folks!
@@daffadilly Here is hoping when you start playing a more "evil" character she can be just as understanding even if she isn't comfortable with the choice in character.
Religious player: Steals without care and gets butthurt when not the center of attention with a broken item. Also religious player: "You can't have x, x, x and x in your game that you're letting me join. Cause my Mom said I can't be around those things."
You know what's the best part about D&D. Whether you're a Christian or Catholic or religious etc. You can create your own D&D adventure to have no wizards no witches or demons or anything else. You can make whatever kind of game you want. All you need is a pen and paper and some imagination. Plain and simple
But do note that as a game primarily themed around fantasy, it will be hard to find like-minded players. Taking away the few things that made the game iconic means you have relegated it to nothing more than a Medieval Roleplay. As of another note, the most threatening thing in such sessions are armies, not legendary kings and overlords. No matter how much a ruler prides on their skills, it is always unwise to take on an army without your own.
Removing all casters sounds fun Kinda like Monster Hunter Guess the only healer then would be that one monk subclass? Not that you need one, if the game is balanced with the lack of healer in mind
my favorite part is NONE OF IT MATTERS i could make a half demon half angel and a month later when my dm KILLS THE CHARACTER I SPENT 3 DAYS MAKEING! i can just make something els and forget that character ever existed along with the rest of my party and life is completely un effected away from that table.
@@afeliskdistell5963 that's dark, man Your characters might be "easily" replaced but you should act like they aren't Unless you really hate a particular character and want a new one
I think the religion part is a moot point. Don't push your lifestyle on others period. Player in one of my groups was asked to leave because he wouldn't stop hitting on the straight male players in and out of game. Also had the same issue with a furry in a different group.
Religious person joins DnD: how can you play something with demons? Me an intellectual: yeah but you can kill demons it's as morally complex as Duck Hunt
Was never told I couldn't play DnD when I was a kid in the 90s. In my fundie town, Magic The Gathering was the punching bag because it was more popular. Then again in that town using words with more than three syllables was considered witchcraft.
We had a local coffee shop called "The Witch's Brew." It lasted for about a month before the churchies cry-threatened it out of existence...in between establishing Bible studies classes at the local public schools. This was early-mid 2000's.
In middle school, a friend of mine saw my 2nd ed AD&D books and was interested and asked to bother them. Unbeknownst to me, his mom was a hardcore fundie. She found the books over the weekend and *destroyed* them. The kid ended up paying me for them, thankfully. I feel bad, because that came out of his allowance.
Ain’t nothing wrong with being religious but a Line gets crossed when you cannot differentiate between faith, fantasy and fanaticism. Fanatics can be weird. Like this character is definitely fanatical about his religion.
"we're going to kill strahd and take over Barovia!" Strahd: I welcome you to try. The Dark Powers that won't allow Strahd to die: [laughing their all powerful asses off]
Wh- How did this guy go through the effort of getting a sheet to realize all this stuff wad INTRINSIC to dnd?!?! Then he has the audacity to turn the magic mechanics into propaganda against itself?! A poor use of faith and neglecting our blessed capacity to imagine. You really sounded quite irate in this one…*clears throat* YIRBEL LIVES!
@@Flarflenugen I'd say 75/25 % split it was the player being salty / his religious views. Remember this kid (yes I know he was 22) had NO issues while his item was uber powerful. Just how exactly did he think it worked?
@@loka7783 I agree on that math there. My only idea is he actually looked up d&d once he got home, then found out maybe, but that sounds a bit too out there
@@Flarflenugen Heh just a tad but maybe his mother said something. Even then though, who would seriously develop that attitude after getting butt roasted by a parent?
I can understand being sensitive about certain subjects and not wanting them to be in your games, but what he asked was plainly stupid considering that dnd is a FANTASY roleplaying game. Like, did he even know what he was getting into.
Me, a religious D&D player who plays a Goolock: interesting Edit: as a DM I realised my party jumping happily to summon Satan (use summon lesser Demon or similar to save their friend) was a bit concerning for me so I made an option for them to use a different way to visit Hell and save their friend. They went into it as they weren't that gung-ho about killing some rando as a mean to get spell components
@@troyhenry6111 we don't avoid them we just believe it's taboo to celebrate Satan in any form even non religious individuals seem to have a taboo for the number 666 plus he didint outright ban it just have them a alternative witch is always good to have in DND as being forced into doing 1 thing can be Abit like a railroad. Also don't call us a cult that's Abit rude you seem like a more enlightened individual as it were however if you start throwing insaults at my counter argument well then I won't have any further point in debating you.
@@Demicleas it's not rude. It's accurate to call it a cult. Definition: a system of religious veneration(respect) and devotion directed toward a particular figure(God) or object. Non religious people have a taboo about it because of their religious brethren projecting on them how evil it is.
I teach at a religious school, and DM the DnD Club. We have lots of restrictions, but without them there would be no club. That being said, this guy has WAY more restrictions than we do!
I'm kind of curious about the restrictions, if you don't mind me asking. Like, I'm assuming no evil alignments for player characters, but are there race restrictions like no tieflings? Class restrictions like no warlocks? You don't have to answer if you don't want to, I'm just curious. My spouse just got approved at the library he works at to run a DnD program and so far our only restriction is to keep the gaming content pg-13.
@@pLanetstarBerry Sure! No Tieflings, Aasimar, or Genasi. No Warlocks. God is the only deity, and all magic has to come from his gifts. No Demons or Devils. Undead and Necromany are allowed, but only for the villains. PG 13 romance. No sexual content, drug related, or alcohol related content. I think that's pretty much it.
Hearing the 2nd story that involves Vallaki from Curse of Strahd, I'm honestly wondering if anyone has ever played CoS and decided to side against Lady Watcher, or against both her and the Burgomastur at the same time. Would be pretty interesting to hear about such events.
Done. 'Sided' with Lady Wachter, but got held up by vampire spawn long enough for the festival to occur, Strahd killed the Priest, Izzek fled, the townspeople rioted and killed the Burgomaster and his family and I went after Lady Wachter. She was killed by the party and eventually the head of the garrison took over and ruled Vallaki much more fairly.
My players actually took down Lady Wachter at that time. However, Vallaki was then overrun by werewolves and most of the inhabitants were killed because my players killed Zuleika. This caused Emil to ally with Kiril again, which in turn later led to an evacuation of Vallaki. Lady Wachter's daughter, in turn, was cured of her condition and joined the players (a good Animal Handling trial by the Tabaxi bard had some influence there). The same group later turned the Dragonborn Barbarian into a flying white sperm whale (Polymorph and Fly) and used it to attack Strahd's castle.
Also currently in another Curse of Strahd game in which we planned on siding with Wachter, but then the Rogue discovered her cult and most of the party almost got killed. My Paladin went on a rampage, killed her, saved the party and we got exiled by the Burgomaster for being disorderly and disruptive. My Paladin is now planning on going back and taking over Vallaki after he puts Izzek's head on a pole arm and forces the Burgomaster into indentured labour.
Kept the status qou, but out the the knowledge that someone wanted the burgermaster dead before we left. I look forward to returning and seeing how it turns out.
@@richardwarnercool1 Exactly what happened when I ran it (except my players 'sided' with Vargas due to the gold he was willing to pay for information on Lady Wachter). My PC's detested both Vargas and Lady Wachter.... as they should.
As a christian myself. I gotta say. I have no problems with dnd. It's a GAME. Do I like playing games with demons? No. Even if im killing them. I don't even play doom. But that's more cause I have a phobia of that stuff. That said. I will happily jump into a game of dnd as a sorcerer and slay demons without a second thought if it comes to it. Again, it's a game. Im not practicing magic irl I don't murder people. I definitely don't do anything demonic. .... Why can't people just chill honestly. If they're doing it outside of the game that's another story. Otherwise just leave it be.
"If they're doing it outside of the game that's another story" You sound as bad as the person in this story when you say things like that... Not as bad of an RPer, I mean mentally. You CAN'T have fantasy outside of a game. That's the thing. You can't say "It's okay to cast spells so long as it's only ingame" because to imply you can cast spells out of the game is insane. Not "insane" as an insult or description of improbability. "Insane" as in mentally ill. If you think there is a real way to cast spells or mess with demons in real life, you are, *insane*. And that makes you the same as the guy this video is about. You being able to tolerate it in a game does not make you normal, or stronger, or anything like that. It's the believing it can eb real that makes it so worrying. Because believing that magic and demons are real is going to fuck you up. Living in fear, ironically makes you dangerous. It makes you someone everyone else has to be wary of. I say this as a paranoid psychotic. You're a victim of your own mind, but by giving it ANY belief, you can start to become the monster. Fear has driven so many to do cruel horrific acts. So please, do what you can to break these delusions you have completely. Seperating them into real and fake is not enough. It's ALL fake. Which is why throughout all of human history, over many thousands of years, there has never been any evidence of a spell ever working. No evidence ever of a demon existing. The closest thing we ever saw to spells? Medicine. Which is why people who believed in demons and magic often killed doctors. Most 'witches' were doctors. Fear has hurt more people than anger or greed combined. So I hope you take this seriously. I wish you luck in improving yourself. I don't know how old you are, but i can tell you that if you work at it, you can stop believing in monsters. Even when you can see them, and hear them, you can beat these illusions. If you let the fantasy win, then the closest thing to a real demon in the real world, will be you.
@@TailsClock You do realize there are real satanists that practice this stuff right? They can't actually cast spells but they believe they can. That's what I was refering to. And demons are real weather you wanna believe it or not. I don't mess with em. You misunderstood what I was saying. I never said someone could actually cast a spell. But there are people who really believe in all those magic circles and other nonsense that really just makes em look like a fool
@@TailsClock I serve the lord jesus christ with all my heart and soul. And he protects and delivers me from evil every day. I don't have dillusions im not a monster. I treat everyone with kindness and fairness to the best of my ability. Do I mess up? Sure im only human.
@@troyhenry6111 Cult?! I serve Jehova. Jesus. I am a christian. Look if you don't believe in em fine whatever. The lord protects me. My phobia of them is someone dying lost and going to hell. I don't wanna end up there. Id prefer the glory of heaven. And I don't want anyone else to suffer hell either. If it's wrong to not want people to suffer then I don't wanna be right.
Ironically I was introduced to D&D by a Catholic priest who would run games for myself and my friends. Those were some of the best games I think I ever have had in my many years playing.
Me: A Black guy growing up in the southern United States with a very religious background and strict parents Also me: plays super flamboyant elf bard who changes genders every night, a wizard who is a combination of Dr. Strange and Doc Brown that became a sorta lich, a rogue with psionic powers that wants to rule the underworld, a life cleric who is a struggling alcoholic and a duegar fighter who names weapons he crafts and grows to the size of a building.
@Jaylen Does he just alternate? Or are there more than 2 genders that he changes between? It's be pretty awesome if he sometimes morphs into new and previously unencountered genders every once in a while. Maybe one such gender could be called "Gleef" and could be neither male, nor female, nor anything in between. Instead, this otherwise genderless being exudes a pheromone that causes all males and females within 30 feet to lose all self control and start making mindless, passionate love in a free-for-all. Maybe there could be a similar gender called a "Fleeg," who does the same, except all the love-making is hetero. Maybe there could be a different tier, called a Queen Gleef (pun intended) who causes all love making to be same-sex... You could really go crazy with this...
If magic was real and evil, you can bet your butt we'd already all be subjugated by it. Also how do you even go about character creation without seeing wizard, sorcerer, and warlock on the class list? And Tieflings?
Born again Christian here and I have not ever had any issue with any mentions of witchcraft, demons, magic, or the supernatural in any game I have played or run. The reason for this is because all the events in the game are make believe. That is what fantasy is: a fictitious story where things can happen without real life coming into it. Whether any of it is real or not in the real world has no relevance to the game.
Can relate to this one. I feel like I missed out on a lot of good times because of scenarios like this. I had to deal with the crazyass mother, doing things just like that. Trying to ban Magic the Gathering, banning D&D. Calling it devil worship claiming it was a gateway to devil worship that got some serial killer into it. Then even when I was living on my own, it seemed hard to get into and a lot of people still thought it was nerdy. 5e has really done a lot to make it overall more accessible. Listen, if you're reading this and what I described is your parent, just know it gets better when you're own you're own. Go ahead and try stuff. The world is a big place, and unfortunately, too many middle-aged women find zealotry and the acceptance therein an acceptable cover for their mental health issues. To be clear, I am Christian and try my best to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. That doesn't mean you have to watch only watch Bibleman or VeggieTales. It doesn't mean pinning Bible verses to that back of your kids halloween costume. Respect the lessons and the teachings not the Dogma. Have fun with D&D I have to go make up for lost time!!
Same boat. I highly suggest people do research on the Satanic Panic, which is when alleged stories of D&D being demonic became widespread. Make up your own mind whether or not D&D is bad to play.
Me the token aetheist: telling my Christian and catholic friends that Christ was a celestial warlock of Lathander, and that clearly his miraculous rebirth was his patron granting him a boon for his efforts. Them: stares at me blankly in incomprehension.
I was the token atheist in my World Religion course at university. The irony is that the rest of the students were politely curious about it, while the *professor* -- I remind you, the guy teaching *comparative world religions* -- was constantly shocked that I could be an atheist and would repeatedly ask me if I feel like I'm missing out on something bigger than myself, etc. Nowadays, my friend group is basically all atheists and a few deists. My mom is an agnostic Jew (i.e. religiously agnostic, culturally Jewish), and my fundamentalist Christian father I cut ties with as soon as I turned 18, 12 years ago. So most of the religious nonsense I have to deal with comes from overall society (and the internet) more than anyone I know personally.
I guess just to remind people: Most religious people aren't like this. It's only the few bad apples that make the rest look bad. Hands down devout Christian, But I've played plenty of evil characters and done them well. I know what story telling is. Proud of one character I played. Was an evil Dragonborn Enchantment Wizard who used magic and cunning to get his way to the top. I outsmarted my DM and managed to get him into power. To the point where he controlled his own kingdom by the end of the campaign. Super fun.
Yeah same. I got introduced to dnd through a church friend, but he really doesn't restrict too hard. Basically no horny on main and don't break immersion.
Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. My character was a Tiefling, and I played with a whole group of religious people in a campaign where there was magic, demons, monsters, and other fantasy elements. If only we had all known that our fantasy game was actually a real summoning ritual for the apocalypse.
@@caolanochearnaigh9804 I think the best thing to understand is that it's not Catholics, But human nature in general. It's our nature that is flawed. Try to separate people from the truth. Bad Christians for example doesn't make the religion wrong if that makes sense.
@@SgtTeddybear66 Thanks for the insight... I'm still untrusting of you guys... Bible thumping entitled misogynist gay haters... They're the really bad guys. My aunt is a devout Catholic, and she's the nicest person you could ever hope to meet. Also a question: You know the Bible? There's one thing I don't understand. The page numeration. As in, "Hebrews 31:12." What the flip does that mean? I was born an Atheist, so I haven't a clue...
When I was in college a friend of mine was actually kicked out of his house by his mother for ‘playing that satanic game’. She would rather he had lived on the street.
"I saw the effects of witchcraft in person" I have a irl friend who self proclaims herself as a witch but even I gotta laugh at that shit. My dude, magic isnt fuckin real
It's important to note that the Western (read: Christian-based) conceptions of witchcraft and magic are quite different from actual Wiccans. I'm not a Wiccan, so I don't know the details, but I do know it's a religion that's more about "asking nature/the universe to help" than just "say spells, magic shit happens". Which of course is still nonsense, but it's on par with the usual religious nonsense of "pray to God to help" as opposed to being something even more obviously fantastical.
Me a Christian worshipping the dm in the campaign by naming my children with initials D and M, Diane and Marcus, our guild was also DM, Drunken Madness, and the kids were both 9 and 8 and were warlocks of the God of Madness (GM).
I had a very religious friend I introduced to D&D years ago. She was a bit uncomfortable at first when I started talking to her about it, saying that she’d heard from someone (an older person who most likely bought into the Satanic Panic rhetoric of yore) that it was all about demonic satanic stuff. I laughed and assured her it wasn’t, and invited her to a session and told her that if she felt uncomfortable at any point she could leave. Game day came and with the DM’s help she made a sun elf healer. Partway through the session she had to go pick up her brother from work, but the best thing she said was “Do you guys think you’ll still be playing in about an hour? I’d like to come back.” I knew she was hooked 😈
I used to sit with my mom and discuss the origins of the demons and other monsters. We'd go over all the historic lore of them and then see how they stacked up. She taught college Latin, Spanish and later junior high English, and she took tons of mythology classes while in college so it was well informed discussions. A former student of my mom's and a good friend of mine was going around our high school preaching the satanic panic, and when he got to my class all my classmates were looking back at me giggling. I was a founding member and president of our school's D&D club. I just giggled too. Years later he left his wife and children to move in with his boyfriend... hmm, looks like all that religion didn't save him. Cthulhu saved me. :)
Got to say I really enjoyed this story! Not only the content, but you really got some emotion in to the retelling! You keep this up I'll have to start watching all your videos!
Me and the homies at lunch at our catholic school playing D&D with our DM being the head priest. Let's put it this way, holy crusade against an arch demon...turned into Monthy Python and the holy grail level of hilarity.
re - 3:35 I don't know how anyone could possibly be THAT patient. I mean, if I were the DM there, I'd have asked him to leave long ago. His imaginary friends and imaginary enemies shouldn't dictate how other people play a game around him. Honestly, if he was keen on DnD, but wanted to keep it all jesus-y, he could have found/ formed a christian DnD group.
My parents for years refused to let me play D&D when they could still control me because they believed the hole “D&D will make you think that magic and all the made up stuff is real and go running around the sewers and killing people with real swords” thing.
That is extremely funny, for underneath all that, there is a sort of... science to it, not to mention the use of mathematical calculations being more than a necessity.
This was how I felt when I was demonized for mentioning spiders exist in D&D because _some players_ are apparently so phobic of such they get triggered IRL. The same applied to literally any other phobia, this was not a _"one specific player"_ issue but rather that the manager of the D&D groups had rules against contents in games which may "trigger" others. Imagine trying to run games without *anything* that could trigger one of many people in a single room, especially if you dare use images or figures of the like.
At first I thought I was gonna laugh at the fact the troublesome Player is just some kid until I heard he is 22. Hey DMs, always advertise what kind of Campaigns you would host!
I'm talking about parents, namely my own, who were constantly looking for a reason to be outraged, and found a supplier in religion, and took so far as to say I couldn't be friends with someone because, to paraphrase the arguments in an overly simplistic manner, D&D is preparing kids for witchcraft and summoning spirits and scary math rocks and shit.
I made an entire campaign around the party chasing after some powerful artifacts stolen from a gods built vault. Each artifact belonged to a different evil or chaotic demigod seeking true godhood in the Pathfinder pantheon. Each artifact was a valuable item that granted fantastic powers, and steadily corrupted each user to be a vessel/avatar/loyal fanatic of the godling. A heavy spiked shield that could push and pull god/silver/copper/platinum/steel/mithral/etc, forcing a check to not be dragged into spikes, or reflex to avoid getting pelted with a cone of metal, wielded by an Orc with a second shield for attacking. A lantern of shadow that allows for the raising and control of the undead, etc. Fun campaign, and then we had a Halloween oneshot. I made festival games, contests, races, speeches, feasts, etc. The players had fun running around winning prizes and cheating (or not) at games ad contests. Then I introduced Shea, a female festival spirit that amplified all magic around her, caused a bit of mischievous chaos, and also offered the PC's (as the best festival goers) a chance at some REALLY nice prizes. 3 of the 6 characters were zealous religious followers, so naturally I had a priest/priestess of each of their faiths be the victims of these "pranks". First a "Erastil blessed priest", who hunted for sport, not food, and grew crops for beer not food. The faithful ranger hunted wolves with him (he claimed they were a nuisance, but they weren't), druid by his side. Found a ranger mount that way (orphan wolf after the hunt was done). Rest of party painted his crops black to look like disease, and threw all his stuffed trophies out (crops became truly diseased, stuffed trophies animated and walked out on their own after). Next Iomedae priestess was ignoring the downtrodden and injustices for gold payments, hiding disfavour with a replaced iron bar cut by longsword (proof of divine might) with a balsa wood rod painted like metal. Party broke in, switched the alms and "private donation" boxes so priest was poor and alms for poor was full. Replaced the fake bar with a real one. Faithful character accused priest of faking after her sword bounced off the iron bar, Nat 20 religion allowed them to Actually strike the bar (and gain a level in a faith class). Party earned a meta item, once per game session change a physical die roll by 1 (19 becomes 20, 20 becomes 1, 1 becomes 20). At end of campaign party returns all the artifacts, except 1. Turns out Shea is now Sheogorath and the die was his artifact =p
As a matter of fact, I have a Dwarf Cleric whose compassion and antifascist nature made him a harbinger of revolution. His superiors at the temple were behind a syndicate of Dwarf supremacists who were committing violence in the Half-Orc quarter of town. My Cleric and his Half-Orc companion (another PC) had poured almost all of the campaign treasure into urban revitalization projects in that quarter, but by the time the villains had burned down the free hospital and dining hall we’d built, we were well trusted by the underground resistance, and my Cleric had become a literal “cult” hero that lots of folks were matching to prophecies, especially when he started wearing an ancient helmet that was part of those prophecies. Not bad for a cleric who never put any points into his Religion skill!
Never created a religion like that but, we are in the middle of a major breakthrough in our trading company. One of our players was teleported to Faerun from San Diego and has a pair of wrangler jeans. We have hired a tailor to recreate them and are in the middle of mass distributing them across the lands. The first style is obviously boot cut for the working class. We will tailor the next style for the upper class to show off. We anticipate these new durable pants to spread like wild fire, this world will be ours!
im a christain, and even i believe God would forgive me for playing games like this all the time for it is just a human mind trying to escape the harsh reality of the horrors of life
When I initially got into DND (15) my mom was a little skeptical about it because it does have all the things that a Christian would be absolutely against. Now I’m a seasoned player building my own campaign
finding tales like ashtosan must be as rare as the power he wielded, but even the cautionary tales used to end with a bit of a teaching moment to help players and Dm's alike grow.
I know the stories can be rare but when they are found and told they are some of the best. Anybody else miss Oogie? Frank the Pallidan Tank? Dragon raising?
Once had a satanist player demand I not have Lucifer as a character in my heaven-based campaign. I wasn't really planning to anyway because I personally felt an expy of him was more interesting anyway. But regardless, my ultimate decision was to boot him from the game before it started. I am not catering to that crap. In the same campaign, the Cleric created a cult of boozed-up worshippers around him, and the Sorcerer became the embodiment of all things evil.
Nah screw that, somebody makes stupid demands, they can find another game to play. I'm just saying that wasn't a satanist, it was some edgy kid who heard the word 'satanist' and thought it'd scare their parents. Satanists don't give a shit about that sort of thing, it's not part of their belief system at all.
Only recently, I binged the Narrated D&D Stories playlist - over the course of about two weeks or so, I believe? When I was done, it was incredible how much I've gotten used to hearing this voice. It's so reassuring to finally hear it again when you do upload something new. :.-D Yeah, I know, not productive. Let's get into it. Video go.
That's so cool that you mentioned palladium. So few people especially nowadays know of the palladium books. Although my most favorite game is the sister of palladium (made by the same company) and that is rifts.
Me: Very religious, I am also a minister Also Me: Had a youth minister who ran Call of Cthulhu and I ran Warhammer 40k campaigns often using Dark Heresy before Games Workshop turned toxic towards their fans.
my friends and i have a home brew fallout d&d campaign we’re currently doing and one of the party members is a feral ghoul with a massive cult following, mobile sex toy kiosk, and he buffed his charisma and persuasion stats as high as he could. but to make a long story short, he once convinced a hostile raider woman to strip fully naked and swan dive off the top of a 3 story tall building
It's funny because a close friend and her family got me into DnD their Father was HUGE into DnD playing it sense being a kid. Best part is, their Father was a pastor, and the entire family are extremely religious, first game we played my friend played a Teifling, though the campaign was cut short We all still play and we all still love playing DnD.
Me and a group tried to get some middle school kids that we helped in after school program to play but one kids parents didn’t like it until one of my group explained what we actually did in the game and it’s benefits to help them but it was too late as since they complained we had to cancel it
My parents are not religious but it’s not like we don’t live in community areas that share that trait. It’s super religious in the areas I grew up in. It’s why my girlfriend was, in all seriousness, back in high school, asked if our two male friends, a grade younger, were “her thralls” or “her familiars.” My girlfriend did a thing and the boys followed her lead and from then on that girl who had asked ran scared from her and carried a cross that she held out in front of her when crossing paths with my girlfriend. And since our school was one big hallway, that was nearly between every single period. I still laugh about it and my girlfriend and I are 30 and 29. As for dnd. I’m more recently into it. Fantasy, world, lore, character, and story creation are all major things I enjoy doing to pass the time. I keep a journal and pencil on me at all times for exactly that reason, and most of my friend groups are the same. Yet, dnd is something I only recently got into. I have so many friends and family members that play it but took me forever to final sit down, do the research on the lore and mechanics, and jist of social etiquette, and finally get around to playing it. I love my current group. We are small and mostly new to our roles, or just entirely new, but it’s fun. Even so, I can’t imagine stepping so firmly on someone’s toes regarding world building. That story about the…kid (to me he is relatively a kid)…who tried to get their dm to completely change the story is boggling to me. I mean, sure, I do some things that have changed my dm’s world but I TALK to them about it and don’t try to gut the entire thing. I especially don’t dictate other people’s characters! Heck, when I created my own lore between my character’s patron and goddess (she’s double classes as a warlock and cleric) I still discussed it with my dm and made sure to confine it to being super super local to her home village, meaning it doesn’t actually interfere with the world if the dm doesn’t want it to! At most, it just means that npcs will not have heard of either my patron or goddess before. And I like that opportunity for role play. And as for other characters, sure I help, but I’m more the friend that helps my other writer friends more organically pinpoint and define their character’s arc and roughly a good time to set it off for best effect. Heck! I even spoke with my dm on what to do if my character gets off’d before the end and made a character that could help with it to role up after (big note on that, I had to find a way to do so because my dm loves my character and doesn’t want them to die but I do if it makes an awesome story moment and is good for the development of all characters.) so yeah….sorry about the rant. I just can’t fathom railroading, either as a player or dm or just generally helping or collaborating on stories in general. It just…boggles my mind, as I said.
My mom and I play D&D, she's my group's DM. We're both atheists, her an atheist Buddhist and I fall more in the hardline skeptic. My dad found Jesus and went hard that direction. He pretends like it isn't because of the whole satanic panic nonsense, but it's clear he has issues with us playing D&D.
This campaign is still ongoing in curse of Stroud for 5E. I'm 28 and, am the forever DM of my group. Well; a friend in the group wanted to run a campaign for the group and so that his very religious little girl cousin could play. When we had our session zero to roll stats and come up with guidelines. She tried to get us to band the use of magic. We said no and asked why. She told us it's because it's wrong and against her beliefs. I am an ordained minister, and so we talked her into playing a one shot with me and the group of ass-hats that are my friends. We all agreed to play "Christian" passed characters. After about two weeks because of work and life we set down to play. • Goliath Divine soul sorcerer based on the nephilim in the Bible. • Human wizard based on Moses. • Human paladin of resumption based on a Knight's Templar. • And me the cleric of the group based on a minister, Reverend, and/or priest. Needless to say she got the bug and is now playing with us on a weekly basis. She is playing a human warlock that has a pact with a biblical leviathan. Soon she will try something else but all we can do is just watch her enjoy the game of monster, demons, magic, and DRAGONS.
Not quite a new religion, but was in a campaign back in 3.5 that started in the base setting, then the Eberron Campaign Setting was released, and our DM really wanted to play in that sandbox. Rather than having us write new characters he contrived to have our existing party transported to Eberron, including the cleric of Pelor... by the end of the campaign he had established his god in the new world (and my rogue had established a "holiday" that involved irritant level vandalism of his churches).
So... I'm rather religious. I've been a christian my whole life. So is most of my family. But also most of my family are huge nerds, d&d included in the umbrella of nerd-dom. How do we maintain both aspects? Simple, we follow 2 rules. Rule 1. Recognize the difference between fantasy and reality. Maintain the two as separate concepts. RUle 2. No chanting spells or calling demons names. Roleplay is great, get into it, be what you want. But don't go legitimately chanting your spells and calling on demonic powers. Because that's when, to us who are religious and believe this, the reality starts pushing its way into the fantasy and it starts getting scary. Just these 2 simple rules that in no way harm the gaming or roleplay experience, and we're good to go. Usually when someone new comes to the game and we explain the reasoning of the rule, the new person is pretty understanding and respects our request regarding it.
I've luckily never had a hyper religious players, however my grandmother things I worship satan whenever I play DnD XD yes I live with my family and they hear it, yet my step dad was the one who got be into DnD in the first place despite my mothers disapproval at first, yet she grew to it later on when she realized that its just a board game lol My grandmother still thinks I worship demons but then I explain to her that its just a story we are playing out and we usually kill the demons, which she's a little more onboard with lol Funny that I my self am not religious but in game I love playing the fanatical paladin or clerics lol Also to continue on I did start my own religion in DnD game before and it was alot of fun when the DM supports it 100% XD lol
My best friend is a devout orthodox christian and my first ever character in his campaign was a tiefling warlock. No trouble whatsoever. He plays a yuan-ti warlock now.
If you don't like magic, witches demons ect. Then play a witch hunter type character and try to purge the world of it. But if you're playing D&D and you don't want any of that period. You're playing the wrong game.
When DnD first came to my attention in the early 80's, my grandparents and mother shut that shit down. My first session was when I was in my early twenties. This game is harmless.
This has given me an idea for a campaign where magic is corrupting. Magic auto hits and auto crits for max damage. You can wipe out armies and resurrect people but every time you do it drives you closer to going insane, turning evil or turning into a demon and everyone knows.
Setting aside the likelihood that the “religious affront” was a facade to get himself out without “giving up”… If you want to play a game of D&D with low-to-no magic and secular themes (he said no heaven or hell, right?) then you can, *so long as everyone agrees*. A great thing to bring up at session 0, or even before by asking the DM if he could do a campaign in that style. Or be the DM and run it yourself. Now, a newbie player coming in and after a session or two realizing that “this is a bit much for me to take”: OK. You don’t have the experience to know what to ask about, so I’m going to be as flexible as I can, and get the other players to agree to as much as they’re willing. But if you’re asking to change the high-magic morality war into an archaeology expedition to the nearby (non-corrupted) ruins of an ancient civilization, I might suggest that I’ll invite you to a different campaign.
I think in this case of the first half of the story... maybe would have said something like; "Okay, you're in a normal world setting, like the one we live in now, while the others are in a world that goes by the campaign setting that took me (X time here) to make it fun for myself and everyone playing." and if asking about using magic items then "Oh sorry, there aren't any magic items in your dimension, just normal things as tech is roughly the same as today, so no special items like you wanted before."
My mom is religious & been skeptic on DnD. Everytime i talk about it to her she SO on & off about it. But sametime supportive how my campaign story was actually based for heaven vs hell. So shes eh okay about it. Sametime im late 20s she cant stop me anyways. So fun story: i have a town full of Holy Roller Aasimars in which got half burned down by the God of Choas. But the reason, it got burned was the tiefling of the party was captured after saving a little girl form being hurt & was sentenced for just being a tiefling. The down to 1hp execution that took place in public caused the fighter goliath(also tieflings boyfriend) to go into a rage fit slaughtering the leader(& who was also the little girls father) to summon the god of chaos to reign fire on it for their cruel punishment to harming innocence.(which included the little girl cause before saving the tiefling, she was near killed, only cause she was a fallen aasimar) So now the tiefling & goliath became two dads to their adopted daughter. Its cute af❤️ Alongside a Drow/Firbolg thats the mom of the party. The rest the campaign world i got has alot thats just as bad🙃 or worse. Got a player who is a scourge aasimar hexblade, whose sword is possessed by a great Demon thats one of God of Chaos Knights. And that assimar is likely to BEFRIEND it possibly! He already has befriended a goat. 🤣
I had a warlock pretend to be a priestess. My original intend was to reform her, but the party was too neutral-leaning for that. Instead she converted/manipulated a leader of a town, and he made her his advisor. The campaign ended there (for irrelevant reasons), but our DM placed the new campaign five years later, and by then my warlock had the entire town taking over and the people mindcontrolled. So now our new party is fighting her.
In the immortal words of Matt Murdock: "Please don't mock my faith". Yes, the guy is nuts or uninformed to not know what the game would involve, but is undeserving of ridicule for his or her beliefs. Even if he is overly superstitious as to magic and the implications of it
I'm sorry, how heavy earmuffs were put around that guy's head while they were a child? I'm a full Christian and grew up HEAVILY into DnD and most people who go to my church played at least once. Truth is that most religious people are over the panic because it's a game.
The first time I played DnD, I was the dm and me and my group were all from the same religion. But we didn't care about the "satanic" aspects of it. We didn't even realize anything was wrong with it. The recurring joke was that one player had this huge female character (I don't remember the race) who once they were done interrogating an enemy, would eat them whole right there on the spot. We had fun. Edit: the enemies were all goblins at the time so they were very much bite sized!
Decades ago I went to this festival for Christian Music and they were selling a Christian Themed RPG. I wish I still had the rules, it actually wasn't half bad.
Most of the legendary creatures of D&D are inspired to the Tolkien universe creatures (just like the major part of every other modern fantasy books/games/movies) Tolkien was a devout Catholic and the Lotr universe have a lot of Catholic references
I'm not sure if it counts as starting your own crazy religion, but I did play a tabaxi who in an attempt to create a distraction after a party member had been abducted by a tribe of koblin (my dms unholy crossbreed of kobalds and goblins) convinced the tribe that he was a deity sent to lead them to great power and riches. Several dozen sessions, and two real life years later and that tabaxi has a squad of a couple thousand followers who worship him fanaticly.
So in most cases I would quickly say the dude was using religion as an excuse but given the plain Curse of Strad takes place in, I can see how dark magic would be the main source there. Regardless it’s probably for the better that guy left. Since he wasn’t working with the party he would have probably been killed multiple times before the campaign ended.
Im religious and also the forever Dm and the way I typically handle a lot of magic/pagan stuff is to attribute them to Djinn. For example spellcasters are buddies with a Djinn they find that granted them powers, Warlocks have a dual personality between themselves and either a Djinn or an Efreet, and so on and so forth
Closest I came to that was having a Mormon friend of mine sell me his copy of Morrowind because he didn't realize that it had magic in it and his mom said he couldn't play it. One of my favorite games ever.
3:05 it is reasonable enough for him to ask this of the DM. It is, however, even more reasonable for the DM to respond: that is a very interesting suggestion, which I will (completely ignore) not follow.
it's frustrating to see when they use religion like this/their beliefs. Also being a woman of similar beliefs and personally trying not to interact with that aspect of lifestyle just because of my own reasons(no judgment if you are into it/are witch or anything of like like you do you). This is a game and it's not right to ask someone to change it because you feel uncomfortable. The great thing about D&D is there is some small group out there where It can be without magic and just a mid-evil RP. Granted I don't really care because it's fantasy and not real so I imbraces all of it. What I'm trying to say is don't force your beliefs onto people that's not right. You can talk about what you believe in go for it just be kind and open-minded that everyone will not think nor see things the same way.
I think D&D stories was especially angry at the religious zealot story part. As for the other thing I haven't created a cult, but in an Icewind Dale game, I did have a coup against the leaders of the 10 towns by manipulating a paladin order and installing myself as leader afterwards.
My parents don't know I play DnD, no matter how flawless an argument in its favour I make, they always pull the, "I just don't like it", or "I'm your parent and I said no" cards
My mom was told as a teen that DND was basically witchcraft and devil worship. It took us a year to convince her to let us play the game with just each other with no demons allowed. We are allowed to play as Teiflings because I don’t think she knows what they are. So yeah it can be hard because I am a Christian myself but I love fantasy things like Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter so in short it’s hard finding that happy medium between the two. Though I will leave the fantasy stuff if it gets out of hand so it’s obvious what’s more important to me but it doesn’t mean that you should completely erase it because it’s not real. PS: I have never played a human or elf before yet, I’ve always played the weirder races
So I'm a Christian myself who has had some experiences in my life that made me unsure about pathfinder/d&d. I didn't bring this up to anyone at my first table, I just played at tge table to see if this game was for me and if it can comply with my beliefs. After afew games we had faught and killed, devils, demons, hags, Fey, and so on while communing with angles, holy men, and gods. After that I decided that "this all checks out, and in some ways is just a more fanciful version of life" and I've been playing and DMing ever since.
"I don't want any evil references to witches and demons! And no magic!"
*Steals things*
Hypocrisy at their finest.
Petty theft is definitely equivalent to those other things.
@@AaronFevens I'd argue other then demons petty theft is much worse
@@AaronFevens yes, because that is real, the others are not, and only evil because feels
@@AaronFevens Pretty sure from the emphasis put on it, that it was more than *Petty* theft.
"If a game about killing demons is satanic, what would a game about killing angels be?" "Bayonetta."
The best part is that the angels in Bayonetta are arguably worse than demons with how vain and deceptive they are (break off their masks and see what kind of a horrible monster they really are).
Supernatural. Although in SPN, they just kill demons, angels, ghosts, humans, gods... basically every species sucks and gets killed because they suck.
Don't forget Supernatural and Devil May Cry.
Heretical
easy fix to this situation make it a monotheistic world if one or just change the pantheons to be those of the ones taking issue with it on a religious bases. As for magic you can evil getting it from the devil or holy spells granted by the blessing of said religions to fight evil. Its what i am going to do with my sisters kids once they get old enough to understand and can enjoy the game. You don't really have to change much and you can get the help of the player or players in your game to not fudge up the religion.
on the other hand it didn't really go anywhere and a mix of peoples rl and covid i created a halfling cleric that worshiped Rye the Bread God and was working on the ultimate taunt hitting the target with a piece of bread. 50% chance you will be targeted till you die and a 25% chance it would get in raged and boost all its stats. because really in the middle of a fight or your picking a fight with a piece of bread.
Stories like this always dishearten me a bit. I'm Scottish, and was raised hard Catholic. But whenever I encountered some hobby, or whatever, that might be considered questionable, my parents sat me down and talked it out. As a result, I had a very clear division between fantasy and reality, and they were generally fine and accepting of most stuff I was into, even if they weren't super comfortable with it themselves. Just so long as I wasn't breaking any hard tenets while doing it and I went to church.
Didn't really see tabletop or video gaming as any more harmful then seeing or being in a stage play or movie, and even if I was a 'bad' person in the games, they accepted it like playing a bad role in a play or movie. So every time I see people use religion as an excuse to limit people over entirely frivolous things like this, it just... makes me sad. It's almost like they're forgetting a lot of core tenets themselves.
My da was always a bit amused, and maybe a little proud, that I tended to play stuff like D&D with the intent to help people. Even if they weren't *real* people, he liked the idea his kids were good people. Or at least tryin'.
When you say you're Scottish, you mean you live in Scotland or are just of Scottish descent and live elsewhere?
@@baneoftheundead8064 Kind of both? Spent a tiny bit over half my life in Inverness, joined the RAF, then married a cute American lad and shipped out to the States. Think it's been almost.. 10 years since I was last in Scotland, really.
Kind of don't stop being Scottish either way, though. Too stubborn. There's an obvious connotation of being Presbyterian, but Catholicism still makes up a bit under half of Christianity. Being a tiny bit presumptuous, as I get that a fair bit otherwise and wanted to get ahead of it this time.
@@liallen9380 Cool. I was wondering about the "Catholic" part lol, my father's paternal line is from Glasgow, my great grand dad was "full Scottish" you might say, on both sides, my surname is Carrick, and of course, they're all Presbys XD
From what I gather, Both Ireland and Scotland don't care much for Irish and Scottish Americans very much on account of them claiming to be those things when they're actually, well, "Irish/Scottish Americans", is that true?
So, as an athiest, I must ask, What is it like being the sanest branch of Christianity?
My mom is very religious, nothing wrong with that. I was unsure about telling her I had started playing DND. I told her I was playing a cleric, a cleric specifically to Ilmater, the god of the Oppressed. She seemed nervous about it at first, until I described to her what kind of god Ilmater is in the DnD Universe. My mom is now happy to know that I play a character serving righteously to protect the weak, to treat others kindly and to be charitable and tolerant to those who are in need.
Wjy would you tell your mom you’re playing dnd?
@@chistiancentrone592 Probably because I am almost 30 years old and am more than capable of making these decisions without my mother’s approval. I wanted to tell her, because I think it is important to be honest about who we are as people. I wanted her to know about DND and how much I enjoy it as a hobby. My mom and I were separated for a long while when I was growing up (because of complicated reasons). It’s important to be able to bridge that gap, even if we are different as people. My mom loves and accepts me for who I am, whether she fully understands my interests or not. I was only anxious about telling her because I wasn’t sure what she would think of it lol 😂 It is also important to note that she grew up in the era of the “DND Satanic Panic,” and being able to talk openly about it helped her understand the misconceptions she had about the game itself.
@@daffadilly Wait until she finds out about your next character, the Fallen Aasimar Oathbreaker Paladin soul-trader who works for a Coven of Hags in the Abyss!
In all seriousness though, glad you were able to bridge that gap with your mother; that was a smart way of easing her into the idea of DND. Much love folks!
That's nice bud
@@daffadilly Here is hoping when you start playing a more "evil" character she can be just as understanding even if she isn't comfortable with the choice in character.
Religious player: Steals without care and gets butthurt when not the center of attention with a broken item.
Also religious player: "You can't have x, x, x and x in your game that you're letting me join. Cause my Mom said I can't be around those things."
And hes 22
Also remember: he was fine with magic while he had unlimited uses of a lvl 9 spell.
Sounds like a religious person to me, in my experience anyway.
I wonder what the mother would say about him playing tabletop Star Wars or some game with anthropomorphized furries, like Mouse Guard.
You know what's the best part about D&D. Whether you're a Christian or Catholic or religious etc. You can create your own D&D adventure to have no wizards no witches or demons or anything else. You can make whatever kind of game you want. All you need is a pen and paper and some imagination. Plain and simple
But do note that as a game primarily themed around fantasy, it will be hard to find like-minded players. Taking away the few things that made the game iconic means you have relegated it to nothing more than a Medieval Roleplay.
As of another note, the most threatening thing in such sessions are armies, not legendary kings and overlords. No matter how much a ruler prides on their skills, it is always unwise to take on an army without your own.
Removing all casters sounds fun
Kinda like Monster Hunter
Guess the only healer then would be that one monk subclass? Not that you need one, if the game is balanced with the lack of healer in mind
my favorite part is NONE OF IT MATTERS
i could make a half demon half angel and a month later when my dm KILLS THE CHARACTER I SPENT 3 DAYS MAKEING!
i can just make something els and forget that character ever existed along with the rest of my party and life is completely un effected away from that table.
@@afeliskdistell5963 that's dark, man
Your characters might be "easily" replaced but you should act like they aren't
Unless you really hate a particular character and want a new one
I think the religion part is a moot point. Don't push your lifestyle on others period. Player in one of my groups was asked to leave because he wouldn't stop hitting on the straight male players in and out of game. Also had the same issue with a furry in a different group.
Religious person joins DnD: how can you play something with demons?
Me an intellectual: yeah but you can kill demons it's as morally complex as Duck Hunt
Not all religious people are like this. Check your ego.
@@hexxidelux6224 Dont care , Check your gods , my favorite is Dionysus.
You can also team up with the demons :3
Or seduce them
@@hexxidelux6224 as a devout Catholic I can guarantee you I only ment as a meme/joke and not as an insult
@@hexxidelux6224 check your belief.
Was never told I couldn't play DnD when I was a kid in the 90s. In my fundie town, Magic The Gathering was the punching bag because it was more popular. Then again in that town using words with more than three syllables was considered witchcraft.
We had a local coffee shop called "The Witch's Brew." It lasted for about a month before the churchies cry-threatened it out of existence...in between establishing Bible studies classes at the local public schools. This was early-mid 2000's.
In middle school, a friend of mine saw my 2nd ed AD&D books and was interested and asked to bother them. Unbeknownst to me, his mom was a hardcore fundie. She found the books over the weekend and *destroyed* them. The kid ended up paying me for them, thankfully. I feel bad, because that came out of his allowance.
Your friend has honor and integrity. I highly respect that.
Ain’t nothing wrong with being religious but a Line gets crossed when you cannot differentiate between faith, fantasy and fanaticism.
Fanatics can be weird. Like this character is definitely fanatical about his religion.
Fundamentalism.
@San Shinobi At least they applied it to their story "subtly."
Normally this sort of brainwashing is the fault of the parents.
Not to mention having Faith and being religious are very different things.
agreed. a few of my friends and I are considered religious but we still enjoy playing D&D
"we're going to kill strahd and take over Barovia!"
Strahd: I welcome you to try.
The Dark Powers that won't allow Strahd to die: [laughing their all powerful asses off]
Wh- How did this guy go through the effort of getting a sheet to realize all this stuff wad INTRINSIC to dnd?!?! Then he has the audacity to turn the magic mechanics into propaganda against itself?! A poor use of faith and neglecting our blessed capacity to imagine. You really sounded quite irate in this one…*clears throat* YIRBEL LIVES!
it's just the usual fake stories.
It's entertaining, but i doubt half of these are real/actually happened.
The other thing is all this is evil (gives dm a list) but then proceeds to play their character chaotic stupid.
Sour grapes is a plausible explanation. He misbehaved, got called out, then he makes excuses on why D&D is bad.
4:07 No, OP was right- this dude just wanted to leave the game because his uber item got nerfed.
I bet it's a mix of both
@@Flarflenugen I'd say 75/25 % split it was the player being salty / his religious views. Remember this kid (yes I know he was 22) had NO issues while his item was uber powerful. Just how exactly did he think it worked?
@@loka7783 I agree on that math there. My only idea is he actually looked up d&d once he got home, then found out maybe, but that sounds a bit too out there
@@Flarflenugen Heh just a tad but maybe his mother said something. Even then though, who would seriously develop that attitude after getting butt roasted by a parent?
I can understand being sensitive about certain subjects and not wanting them to be in your games, but what he asked was plainly stupid considering that dnd is a FANTASY roleplaying game. Like, did he even know what he was getting into.
Me, a religious D&D player who plays a Goolock: interesting
Edit: as a DM I realised my party jumping happily to summon Satan (use summon lesser Demon or similar to save their friend) was a bit concerning for me so I made an option for them to use a different way to visit Hell and save their friend. They went into it as they weren't that gung-ho about killing some rando as a mean to get spell components
Hey! I'm also a religious player playing a GOOlock!
I'm sorry your cult has made you so nervous about fictional things that you tend to avoid them
@@troyhenry6111 we don't avoid them we just believe it's taboo to celebrate Satan in any form even non religious individuals seem to have a taboo for the number 666 plus he didint outright ban it just have them a alternative witch is always good to have in DND as being forced into doing 1 thing can be Abit like a railroad. Also don't call us a cult that's Abit rude you seem like a more enlightened individual as it were however if you start throwing insaults at my counter argument well then I won't have any further point in debating you.
@@Demicleas it's not rude. It's accurate to call it a cult. Definition: a system of religious veneration(respect) and devotion directed toward a particular figure(God) or object. Non religious people have a taboo about it because of their religious brethren projecting on them how evil it is.
I teach at a religious school, and DM the DnD Club. We have lots of restrictions, but without them there would be no club.
That being said, this guy has WAY more restrictions than we do!
so long as they still get to seduce the dragons.
I'm kind of curious about the restrictions, if you don't mind me asking. Like, I'm assuming no evil alignments for player characters, but are there race restrictions like no tieflings? Class restrictions like no warlocks? You don't have to answer if you don't want to, I'm just curious. My spouse just got approved at the library he works at to run a DnD program and so far our only restriction is to keep the gaming content pg-13.
@@pLanetstarBerry Sure! No Tieflings, Aasimar, or Genasi. No Warlocks. God is the only deity, and all magic has to come from his gifts. No Demons or Devils. Undead and Necromany are allowed, but only for the villains. PG 13 romance. No sexual content, drug related, or alcohol related content.
I think that's pretty much it.
@@dannya.2616 I’m a bit curious, everything else I understood but why no Genasi? 🤔 (just curious I don’t mean to be rude if I do sound like it)
@@dannya.2616 Yeah, that sounds like absolute garbage. Just like you'd expect for a religious school. Seriously man go teach at a real institute.
I forgot I had my subtitles on and "Curse of Strahd" became "Cursive Straw" 🤣
Mine turned valaki in milwauki xD
Instead of Burgomaster, I get Burger Master.
@@AzureToroto The Burger Master of Milwaukee sounds like a final boss for a cooking game.
Hearing the 2nd story that involves Vallaki from Curse of Strahd, I'm honestly wondering if anyone has ever played CoS and decided to side against Lady Watcher, or against both her and the Burgomastur at the same time. Would be pretty interesting to hear about such events.
Done. 'Sided' with Lady Wachter, but got held up by vampire spawn long enough for the festival to occur, Strahd killed the Priest, Izzek fled, the townspeople rioted and killed the Burgomaster and his family and I went after Lady Wachter. She was killed by the party and eventually the head of the garrison took over and ruled Vallaki much more fairly.
My players actually took down Lady Wachter at that time. However, Vallaki was then overrun by werewolves and most of the inhabitants were killed because my players killed Zuleika. This caused Emil to ally with Kiril again, which in turn later led to an evacuation of Vallaki. Lady Wachter's daughter, in turn, was cured of her condition and joined the players (a good Animal Handling trial by the Tabaxi bard had some influence there). The same group later turned the Dragonborn Barbarian into a flying white sperm whale (Polymorph and Fly) and used it to attack Strahd's castle.
Also currently in another Curse of Strahd game in which we planned on siding with Wachter, but then the Rogue discovered her cult and most of the party almost got killed. My Paladin went on a rampage, killed her, saved the party and we got exiled by the Burgomaster for being disorderly and disruptive. My Paladin is now planning on going back and taking over Vallaki after he puts Izzek's head on a pole arm and forces the Burgomaster into indentured labour.
Kept the status qou, but out the the knowledge that someone wanted the burgermaster dead before we left. I look forward to returning and seeing how it turns out.
@@richardwarnercool1 Exactly what happened when I ran it (except my players 'sided' with Vargas due to the gold he was willing to pay for information on Lady Wachter). My PC's detested both Vargas and Lady Wachter.... as they should.
As a christian myself. I gotta say. I have no problems with dnd. It's a GAME. Do I like playing games with demons? No. Even if im killing them. I don't even play doom. But that's more cause I have a phobia of that stuff. That said. I will happily jump into a game of dnd as a sorcerer and slay demons without a second thought if it comes to it.
Again, it's a game. Im not practicing magic irl I don't murder people. I definitely don't do anything demonic. .... Why can't people just chill honestly. If they're doing it outside of the game that's another story. Otherwise just leave it be.
"If they're doing it outside of the game that's another story"
You sound as bad as the person in this story when you say things like that... Not as bad of an RPer, I mean mentally. You CAN'T have fantasy outside of a game. That's the thing. You can't say "It's okay to cast spells so long as it's only ingame" because to imply you can cast spells out of the game is insane. Not "insane" as an insult or description of improbability. "Insane" as in mentally ill. If you think there is a real way to cast spells or mess with demons in real life, you are, *insane*. And that makes you the same as the guy this video is about. You being able to tolerate it in a game does not make you normal, or stronger, or anything like that. It's the believing it can eb real that makes it so worrying. Because believing that magic and demons are real is going to fuck you up. Living in fear, ironically makes you dangerous. It makes you someone everyone else has to be wary of.
I say this as a paranoid psychotic. You're a victim of your own mind, but by giving it ANY belief, you can start to become the monster. Fear has driven so many to do cruel horrific acts. So please, do what you can to break these delusions you have completely. Seperating them into real and fake is not enough. It's ALL fake. Which is why throughout all of human history, over many thousands of years, there has never been any evidence of a spell ever working. No evidence ever of a demon existing. The closest thing we ever saw to spells? Medicine. Which is why people who believed in demons and magic often killed doctors. Most 'witches' were doctors. Fear has hurt more people than anger or greed combined.
So I hope you take this seriously. I wish you luck in improving yourself. I don't know how old you are, but i can tell you that if you work at it, you can stop believing in monsters. Even when you can see them, and hear them, you can beat these illusions. If you let the fantasy win, then the closest thing to a real demon in the real world, will be you.
@@TailsClock You do realize there are real satanists that practice this stuff right? They can't actually cast spells but they believe they can. That's what I was refering to. And demons are real weather you wanna believe it or not. I don't mess with em. You misunderstood what I was saying. I never said someone could actually cast a spell. But there are people who really believe in all those magic circles and other nonsense that really just makes em look like a fool
@@TailsClock I serve the lord jesus christ with all my heart and soul. And he protects and delivers me from evil every day. I don't have dillusions im not a monster. I treat everyone with kindness and fairness to the best of my ability. Do I mess up? Sure im only human.
I'm sorry your cult has made you afraid of fantasy creatures
@@troyhenry6111 Cult?! I serve Jehova. Jesus. I am a christian. Look if you don't believe in em fine whatever. The lord protects me. My phobia of them is someone dying lost and going to hell. I don't wanna end up there. Id prefer the glory of heaven. And I don't want anyone else to suffer hell either. If it's wrong to not want people to suffer then I don't wanna be right.
Ironically I was introduced to D&D by a Catholic priest who would run games for myself and my friends. Those were some of the best games I think I ever have had in my many years playing.
Based
Me: A Black guy growing up in the southern United States with a very religious background and strict parents
Also me: plays super flamboyant elf bard who changes genders every night, a wizard who is a combination of Dr. Strange and Doc Brown that became a sorta lich, a rogue with psionic powers that wants to rule the underworld, a life cleric who is a struggling alcoholic and a duegar fighter who names weapons he crafts and grows to the size of a building.
Very nice :D (your characters that is)
Me pulling up a chair: tis story time. Yes?
@@kishinasura1989 Yesss...story time pls!
Ok so I kinda want to make a paladin now that serves a god of alcohol and watch the chaos that ensures
@Jaylen
Does he just alternate? Or are there more than 2 genders that he changes between? It's be pretty awesome if he sometimes morphs into new and previously unencountered genders every once in a while. Maybe one such gender could be called "Gleef" and could be neither male, nor female, nor anything in between. Instead, this otherwise genderless being exudes a pheromone that causes all males and females within 30 feet to lose all self control and start making mindless, passionate love in a free-for-all. Maybe there could be a similar gender called a "Fleeg," who does the same, except all the love-making is hetero. Maybe there could be a different tier, called a Queen Gleef (pun intended) who causes all love making to be same-sex... You could really go crazy with this...
If magic was real and evil, you can bet your butt we'd already all be subjugated by it.
Also how do you even go about character creation without seeing wizard, sorcerer, and warlock on the class list? And Tieflings?
I teach at a religious school, and DM the DnD club. We have lots of similar restrictions, but it's better than no club at all for the kids.
@@dannya.2616 yikes
@@willparry530 Trust me, no one in the club wants the restrictions, but I can't tell the principal I won't listen.
@@dannya.2616 No no, I get ya, I was just expressing sympathy.
@@dannya.2616 f, well least the kids aren’t at a church
Born again Christian here and I have not ever had any issue with any mentions of witchcraft, demons, magic, or the supernatural in any game I have played or run. The reason for this is because all the events in the game are make believe. That is what fantasy is: a fictitious story where things can happen without real life coming into it. Whether any of it is real or not in the real world has no relevance to the game.
I'm glad your cult hasn't done anything to hinder your life
@@troyhenry6111 Me too.
Can relate to this one. I feel like I missed out on a lot of good times because of scenarios like this. I had to deal with the crazyass mother, doing things just like that. Trying to ban Magic the Gathering, banning D&D. Calling it devil worship claiming it was a gateway to devil worship that got some serial killer into it. Then even when I was living on my own, it seemed hard to get into and a lot of people still thought it was nerdy. 5e has really done a lot to make it overall more accessible.
Listen, if you're reading this and what I described is your parent, just know it gets better when you're own you're own. Go ahead and try stuff. The world is a big place, and unfortunately, too many middle-aged women find zealotry and the acceptance therein an acceptable cover for their mental health issues.
To be clear, I am Christian and try my best to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. That doesn't mean you have to watch only watch Bibleman or VeggieTales. It doesn't mean pinning Bible verses to that back of your kids halloween costume. Respect the lessons and the teachings not the Dogma. Have fun with D&D I have to go make up for lost time!!
Same boat. I highly suggest people do research on the Satanic Panic, which is when alleged stories of D&D being demonic became widespread. Make up your own mind whether or not D&D is bad to play.
Me the token aetheist: telling my Christian and catholic friends that Christ was a celestial warlock of Lathander, and that clearly his miraculous rebirth was his patron granting him a boon for his efforts. Them: stares at me blankly in incomprehension.
Lathander would immediately kick Jesus off for some of the shit he's done in the Bible.
I was the token atheist in my World Religion course at university. The irony is that the rest of the students were politely curious about it, while the *professor* -- I remind you, the guy teaching *comparative world religions* -- was constantly shocked that I could be an atheist and would repeatedly ask me if I feel like I'm missing out on something bigger than myself, etc.
Nowadays, my friend group is basically all atheists and a few deists. My mom is an agnostic Jew (i.e. religiously agnostic, culturally Jewish), and my fundamentalist Christian father I cut ties with as soon as I turned 18, 12 years ago. So most of the religious nonsense I have to deal with comes from overall society (and the internet) more than anyone I know personally.
Me, a lifelong Catholic: "Yeah. That pretty much tracks, mechanics wise at the very least."
@Red Eagle Who left who? Why would who say what? Get over what? Did you mean to reply to a different comment?
Me, a Christian for my whole life: yeah... That... Is actually surprisingly pretty spot on actually.
Does anybody else love reading the CC on these videos? “ So, we’re playing cursive straw”. 🤣😂🤣
And burger master
CZcams cc is the worst!
@@andrewjohnson6716 Nah, the worst is when youtube removed the ability for other people to correct/add cc.
I guess just to remind people: Most religious people aren't like this. It's only the few bad apples that make the rest look bad. Hands down devout Christian, But I've played plenty of evil characters and done them well. I know what story telling is.
Proud of one character I played. Was an evil Dragonborn Enchantment Wizard who used magic and cunning to get his way to the top. I outsmarted my DM and managed to get him into power. To the point where he controlled his own kingdom by the end of the campaign. Super fun.
Yeah same. I got introduced to dnd through a church friend, but he really doesn't restrict too hard. Basically no horny on main and don't break immersion.
Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. My character was a Tiefling, and I played with a whole group of religious people in a campaign where there was magic, demons, monsters, and other fantasy elements. If only we had all known that our fantasy game was actually a real summoning ritual for the apocalypse.
I'm still untrusting of Catholics... You would be too, had you experienced the crap I've been through...
@@caolanochearnaigh9804 I think the best thing to understand is that it's not Catholics, But human nature in general.
It's our nature that is flawed. Try to separate people from the truth. Bad Christians for example doesn't make the religion wrong if that makes sense.
@@SgtTeddybear66 Thanks for the insight... I'm still untrusting of you guys... Bible thumping entitled misogynist gay haters... They're the really bad guys. My aunt is a devout Catholic, and she's the nicest person you could ever hope to meet. Also a question: You know the Bible? There's one thing I don't understand. The page numeration. As in, "Hebrews 31:12." What the flip does that mean? I was born an Atheist, so I haven't a clue...
When I was in college a friend of mine was actually kicked out of his house by his mother for ‘playing that satanic game’.
She would rather he had lived on the street.
"I saw the effects of witchcraft in person"
I have a irl friend who self proclaims herself as a witch but even I gotta laugh at that shit. My dude, magic isnt fuckin real
It's important to note that the Western (read: Christian-based) conceptions of witchcraft and magic are quite different from actual Wiccans. I'm not a Wiccan, so I don't know the details, but I do know it's a religion that's more about "asking nature/the universe to help" than just "say spells, magic shit happens". Which of course is still nonsense, but it's on par with the usual religious nonsense of "pray to God to help" as opposed to being something even more obviously fantastical.
@@IceMetalPunk which is another reason why fantatical panic over it is dumb. "Oh god they're communicating with nature BURN THEM. EVIL."
Soooo 1st story had no problems with magic when he had a MAGIC ITEM that mimicked a 9th level spell but as soon as it is lost, now magic is evil?
Me a Christian worshipping the dm in the campaign by naming my children with initials D and M, Diane and Marcus, our guild was also DM, Drunken Madness, and the kids were both 9 and 8 and were warlocks of the God of Madness (GM).
Oh I’m so trying this to see if they notice
I had a very religious friend I introduced to D&D years ago. She was a bit uncomfortable at first when I started talking to her about it, saying that she’d heard from someone (an older person who most likely bought into the Satanic Panic rhetoric of yore) that it was all about demonic satanic stuff. I laughed and assured her it wasn’t, and invited her to a session and told her that if she felt uncomfortable at any point she could leave.
Game day came and with the DM’s help she made a sun elf healer. Partway through the session she had to go pick up her brother from work, but the best thing she said was “Do you guys think you’ll still be playing in about an hour? I’d like to come back.” I knew she was hooked 😈
I used to sit with my mom and discuss the origins of the demons and other monsters. We'd go over all the historic lore of them and then see how they stacked up. She taught college Latin, Spanish and later junior high English, and she took tons of mythology classes while in college so it was well informed discussions.
A former student of my mom's and a good friend of mine was going around our high school preaching the satanic panic, and when he got to my class all my classmates were looking back at me giggling. I was a founding member and president of our school's D&D club. I just giggled too.
Years later he left his wife and children to move in with his boyfriend... hmm, looks like all that religion didn't save him. Cthulhu saved me. :)
Got to say I really enjoyed this story!
Not only the content, but you really got some emotion in to the retelling! You keep this up I'll have to start watching all your videos!
"being 15 is hard and parents can be difficult. HA! Just kidding, he's 22." lol
Saying dnd has no magic is like saying life has no death
Or like saying america has no healthcare problems
@@pandoratheclay true
Buuuuut. When you think about it LIFE doesn't have death. Death is at the end of life but not life itself.
@@aleksandrasmiksenas317 I'm saying its like saying we cant die
@@novadrake9232
My Necromancer with Ambitions of Lichdom: Pathetic.
When they killed the burger master, who took over his grill? There was an opportunity there to be selling master-level hamburgers 🙂.
Going through your backlog, I'm laughing my ass off with the Captions translating "Curse of Strahd" to "Accursed Straw"
Me and the homies at lunch at our catholic school playing D&D with our DM being the head priest.
Let's put it this way, holy crusade against an arch demon...turned into Monthy Python and the holy grail level of hilarity.
re - 3:35
I don't know how anyone could possibly be THAT patient. I mean, if I were the DM there, I'd have asked him to leave long ago. His imaginary friends and imaginary enemies shouldn't dictate how other people play a game around him. Honestly, if he was keen on DnD, but wanted to keep it all jesus-y, he could have found/ formed a christian DnD group.
My parents for years refused to let me play D&D when they could still control me because they believed the hole “D&D will make you think that magic and all the made up stuff is real and go running around the sewers and killing people with real swords” thing.
That is extremely funny, for underneath all that, there is a sort of... science to it, not to mention the use of mathematical calculations being more than a necessity.
This was how I felt when I was demonized for mentioning spiders exist in D&D because _some players_ are apparently so phobic of such they get triggered IRL. The same applied to literally any other phobia, this was not a _"one specific player"_ issue but rather that the manager of the D&D groups had rules against contents in games which may "trigger" others.
Imagine trying to run games without *anything* that could trigger one of many people in a single room, especially if you dare use images or figures of the like.
At first I thought I was gonna laugh at the fact the troublesome Player is just some kid until I heard he is 22.
Hey DMs, always advertise what kind of Campaigns you would host!
I haven't watched this yet and I already know this won't end well
You are incredibly wise, Fred Fred Burger.
Yes!
@@spookyduck2197 don't lie to me, I'm stupid as hell
@@Flarflenugen
Yes!
@@Flarflenugen same.
Every one of our town's hobby stores got boycotted because of satanic panic people like these.
90's parents were weird, I was forbidden to be friends with a kid because we played D&D.
I'm talking about parents, namely my own, who were constantly looking for a reason to be outraged, and found a supplier in religion, and took so far as to say I couldn't be friends with someone because, to paraphrase the arguments in an overly simplistic manner, D&D is preparing kids for witchcraft and summoning spirits and scary math rocks and shit.
@@Jennifer-dw8hl How'd your parents feel about 'violence in television'? Mine thought watching Power Rangers was going to turn me into a serial killer
@@cam4636 They were anti-tv to the point where we didn't have one for most of my childhood.
I made an entire campaign around the party chasing after some powerful artifacts stolen from a gods built vault. Each artifact belonged to a different evil or chaotic demigod seeking true godhood in the Pathfinder pantheon. Each artifact was a valuable item that granted fantastic powers, and steadily corrupted each user to be a vessel/avatar/loyal fanatic of the godling. A heavy spiked shield that could push and pull god/silver/copper/platinum/steel/mithral/etc, forcing a check to not be dragged into spikes, or reflex to avoid getting pelted with a cone of metal, wielded by an Orc with a second shield for attacking. A lantern of shadow that allows for the raising and control of the undead, etc.
Fun campaign, and then we had a Halloween oneshot. I made festival games, contests, races, speeches, feasts, etc. The players had fun running around winning prizes and cheating (or not) at games ad contests. Then I introduced Shea, a female festival spirit that amplified all magic around her, caused a bit of mischievous chaos, and also offered the PC's (as the best festival goers) a chance at some REALLY nice prizes. 3 of the 6 characters were zealous religious followers, so naturally I had a priest/priestess of each of their faiths be the victims of these "pranks". First a "Erastil blessed priest", who hunted for sport, not food, and grew crops for beer not food. The faithful ranger hunted wolves with him (he claimed they were a nuisance, but they weren't), druid by his side. Found a ranger mount that way (orphan wolf after the hunt was done). Rest of party painted his crops black to look like disease, and threw all his stuffed trophies out (crops became truly diseased, stuffed trophies animated and walked out on their own after).
Next Iomedae priestess was ignoring the downtrodden and injustices for gold payments, hiding disfavour with a replaced iron bar cut by longsword (proof of divine might) with a balsa wood rod painted like metal. Party broke in, switched the alms and "private donation" boxes so priest was poor and alms for poor was full. Replaced the fake bar with a real one. Faithful character accused priest of faking after her sword bounced off the iron bar, Nat 20 religion allowed them to Actually strike the bar (and gain a level in a faith class). Party earned a meta item, once per game session change a physical die roll by 1 (19 becomes 20, 20 becomes 1, 1 becomes 20). At end of campaign party returns all the artifacts, except 1. Turns out Shea is now Sheogorath and the die was his artifact =p
As a matter of fact, I have a Dwarf Cleric whose compassion and antifascist nature made him a harbinger of revolution. His superiors at the temple were behind a syndicate of Dwarf supremacists who were committing violence in the Half-Orc quarter of town. My Cleric and his Half-Orc companion (another PC) had poured almost all of the campaign treasure into urban revitalization projects in that quarter, but by the time the villains had burned down the free hospital and dining hall we’d built, we were well trusted by the underground resistance, and my Cleric had become a literal “cult” hero that lots of folks were matching to prophecies, especially when he started wearing an ancient helmet that was part of those prophecies. Not bad for a cleric who never put any points into his Religion skill!
Never created a religion like that but, we are in the middle of a major breakthrough in our trading company. One of our players was teleported to Faerun from San Diego and has a pair of wrangler jeans. We have hired a tailor to recreate them and are in the middle of mass distributing them across the lands. The first style is obviously boot cut for the working class. We will tailor the next style for the upper class to show off. We anticipate these new durable pants to spread like wild fire, this world will be ours!
im a christain, and even i believe God would forgive me for playing games like this all the time for it is just a human mind trying to escape the harsh reality of the horrors of life
Baptist or prodostant
Personally I'm baptist
@@daltonwright6514 Baptists are a Protestant branch
When I initially got into DND (15) my mom was a little skeptical about it because it does have all the things that a Christian would be absolutely against. Now I’m a seasoned player building my own campaign
i really miss the times when the channel covered a character's epic tale like ashtosan's instead of player does this, player does that...
finding tales like ashtosan must be as rare as the power he wielded, but even the cautionary tales used to end with a bit of a teaching moment to help players and Dm's alike grow.
I know the stories can be rare but when they are found and told they are some of the best. Anybody else miss Oogie? Frank the Pallidan Tank? Dragon raising?
@@kelduarjudgester9083 the gnome and his half orc mount?
Once had a satanist player demand I not have Lucifer as a character in my heaven-based campaign. I wasn't really planning to anyway because I personally felt an expy of him was more interesting anyway. But regardless, my ultimate decision was to boot him from the game before it started. I am not catering to that crap.
In the same campaign, the Cleric created a cult of boozed-up worshippers around him, and the Sorcerer became the embodiment of all things evil.
Nah screw that, somebody makes stupid demands, they can find another game to play. I'm just saying that wasn't a satanist, it was some edgy kid who heard the word 'satanist' and thought it'd scare their parents. Satanists don't give a shit about that sort of thing, it's not part of their belief system at all.
Only recently, I binged the Narrated D&D Stories playlist - over the course of about two weeks or so, I believe? When I was done, it was incredible how much I've gotten used to hearing this voice. It's so reassuring to finally hear it again when you do upload something new. :.-D
Yeah, I know, not productive. Let's get into it. Video go.
_" D&D is just spelling 'Dungeons & Dragons' what could go wrong? "_
Oh what fantasy in a fantasy title? :D
Fantasy in my fantasy game?
@@daedalus5253 It's more likely than you think!
That's so cool that you mentioned palladium. So few people especially nowadays know of the palladium books. Although my most favorite game is the sister of palladium (made by the same company) and that is rifts.
A fantasy series based on an element, sounds boring.
*Reads title and sips tea* Well this should be interesting
Me: Very religious, I am also a minister
Also Me: Had a youth minister who ran Call of Cthulhu and I ran Warhammer 40k campaigns often using Dark Heresy before Games Workshop turned toxic towards their fans.
my friends and i have a home brew fallout d&d campaign we’re currently doing and one of the party members is a feral ghoul with a massive cult following, mobile sex toy kiosk, and he buffed his charisma and persuasion stats as high as he could. but to make a long story short, he once convinced a hostile raider woman to strip fully naked and swan dive off the top of a 3 story tall building
It's funny because a close friend and her family got me into DnD their Father was HUGE into DnD playing it sense being a kid. Best part is, their Father was a pastor, and the entire family are extremely religious, first game we played my friend played a Teifling, though the campaign was cut short We all still play and we all still love playing DnD.
Me and a group tried to get some middle school kids that we helped in after school program to play but one kids parents didn’t like it until one of my group explained what we actually did in the game and it’s benefits to help them but it was too late as since they complained we had to cancel it
My parents are not religious but it’s not like we don’t live in community areas that share that trait. It’s super religious in the areas I grew up in. It’s why my girlfriend was, in all seriousness, back in high school, asked if our two male friends, a grade younger, were “her thralls” or “her familiars.” My girlfriend did a thing and the boys followed her lead and from then on that girl who had asked ran scared from her and carried a cross that she held out in front of her when crossing paths with my girlfriend. And since our school was one big hallway, that was nearly between every single period. I still laugh about it and my girlfriend and I are 30 and 29.
As for dnd. I’m more recently into it. Fantasy, world, lore, character, and story creation are all major things I enjoy doing to pass the time. I keep a journal and pencil on me at all times for exactly that reason, and most of my friend groups are the same. Yet, dnd is something I only recently got into. I have so many friends and family members that play it but took me forever to final sit down, do the research on the lore and mechanics, and jist of social etiquette, and finally get around to playing it. I love my current group. We are small and mostly new to our roles, or just entirely new, but it’s fun. Even so, I can’t imagine stepping so firmly on someone’s toes regarding world building. That story about the…kid (to me he is relatively a kid)…who tried to get their dm to completely change the story is boggling to me. I mean, sure, I do some things that have changed my dm’s world but I TALK to them about it and don’t try to gut the entire thing. I especially don’t dictate other people’s characters! Heck, when I created my own lore between my character’s patron and goddess (she’s double classes as a warlock and cleric) I still discussed it with my dm and made sure to confine it to being super super local to her home village, meaning it doesn’t actually interfere with the world if the dm doesn’t want it to! At most, it just means that npcs will not have heard of either my patron or goddess before. And I like that opportunity for role play. And as for other characters, sure I help, but I’m more the friend that helps my other writer friends more organically pinpoint and define their character’s arc and roughly a good time to set it off for best effect. Heck! I even spoke with my dm on what to do if my character gets off’d before the end and made a character that could help with it to role up after (big note on that, I had to find a way to do so because my dm loves my character and doesn’t want them to die but I do if it makes an awesome story moment and is good for the development of all characters.) so yeah….sorry about the rant. I just can’t fathom railroading, either as a player or dm or just generally helping or collaborating on stories in general. It just…boggles my mind, as I said.
My mom and I play D&D, she's my group's DM. We're both atheists, her an atheist Buddhist and I fall more in the hardline skeptic. My dad found Jesus and went hard that direction. He pretends like it isn't because of the whole satanic panic nonsense, but it's clear he has issues with us playing D&D.
This campaign is still ongoing in curse of Stroud for 5E. I'm 28 and, am the forever DM of my group. Well; a friend in the group wanted to run a campaign for the group and so that his very religious little girl cousin could play. When we had our session zero to roll stats and come up with guidelines. She tried to get us to band the use of magic. We said no and asked why. She told us it's because it's wrong and against her beliefs. I am an ordained minister, and so we talked her into playing a one shot with me and the group of ass-hats that are my friends. We all agreed to play "Christian" passed characters.
After about two weeks because of work and life we set down to play.
• Goliath Divine soul sorcerer based on the nephilim in the Bible.
• Human wizard based on Moses.
• Human paladin of resumption based on a Knight's Templar.
• And me the cleric of the group based on a minister, Reverend, and/or priest.
Needless to say she got the bug and is now playing with us on a weekly basis. She is playing a human warlock that has a pact with a biblical leviathan.
Soon she will try something else but all we can do is just watch her enjoy the game of monster, demons, magic, and DRAGONS.
Not quite a new religion, but was in a campaign back in 3.5 that started in the base setting, then the Eberron Campaign Setting was released, and our DM really wanted to play in that sandbox. Rather than having us write new characters he contrived to have our existing party transported to Eberron, including the cleric of Pelor... by the end of the campaign he had established his god in the new world (and my rogue had established a "holiday" that involved irritant level vandalism of his churches).
So... I'm rather religious. I've been a christian my whole life. So is most of my family. But also most of my family are huge nerds, d&d included in the umbrella of nerd-dom. How do we maintain both aspects? Simple, we follow 2 rules. Rule 1. Recognize the difference between fantasy and reality. Maintain the two as separate concepts. RUle 2. No chanting spells or calling demons names. Roleplay is great, get into it, be what you want. But don't go legitimately chanting your spells and calling on demonic powers. Because that's when, to us who are religious and believe this, the reality starts pushing its way into the fantasy and it starts getting scary. Just these 2 simple rules that in no way harm the gaming or roleplay experience, and we're good to go. Usually when someone new comes to the game and we explain the reasoning of the rule, the new person is pretty understanding and respects our request regarding it.
I've luckily never had a hyper religious players, however my grandmother things I worship satan whenever I play DnD XD yes I live with my family and they hear it, yet my step dad was the one who got be into DnD in the first place despite my mothers disapproval at first, yet she grew to it later on when she realized that its just a board game lol
My grandmother still thinks I worship demons but then I explain to her that its just a story we are playing out and we usually kill the demons, which she's a little more onboard with lol Funny that I my self am not religious but in game I love playing the fanatical paladin or clerics lol
Also to continue on I did start my own religion in DnD game before and it was alot of fun when the DM supports it 100% XD lol
The Curse of Straw and the town of Milwaukee, lol. Love when the translation comes out like that.
My best friend is a devout orthodox christian and my first ever character in his campaign was a tiefling warlock. No trouble whatsoever. He plays a yuan-ti warlock now.
If you don't like magic, witches demons ect. Then play a witch hunter type character and try to purge the world of it. But if you're playing D&D and you don't want any of that period. You're playing the wrong game.
When DnD first came to my attention in the early 80's, my grandparents and mother shut that shit down.
My first session was when I was in my early twenties.
This game is harmless.
This has given me an idea for a campaign where magic is corrupting. Magic auto hits and auto crits for max damage. You can wipe out armies and resurrect people but every time you do it drives you closer to going insane, turning evil or turning into a demon and everyone knows.
Religious player: "This is sacrilege!"
Me, an atheist who comes from a family of Wiccans: "Yes, that's why we're here."
Setting aside the likelihood that the “religious affront” was a facade to get himself out without “giving up”… If you want to play a game of D&D with low-to-no magic and secular themes (he said no heaven or hell, right?) then you can, *so long as everyone agrees*. A great thing to bring up at session 0, or even before by asking the DM if he could do a campaign in that style. Or be the DM and run it yourself.
Now, a newbie player coming in and after a session or two realizing that “this is a bit much for me to take”: OK. You don’t have the experience to know what to ask about, so I’m going to be as flexible as I can, and get the other players to agree to as much as they’re willing. But if you’re asking to change the high-magic morality war into an archaeology expedition to the nearby (non-corrupted) ruins of an ancient civilization, I might suggest that I’ll invite you to a different campaign.
As a roman catholic, I enjoy playing a crusader when the game permits
I think in this case of the first half of the story... maybe would have said something like; "Okay, you're in a normal world setting, like the one we live in now, while the others are in a world that goes by the campaign setting that took me (X time here) to make it fun for myself and everyone playing." and if asking about using magic items then "Oh sorry, there aren't any magic items in your dimension, just normal things as tech is roughly the same as today, so no special items like you wanted before."
My mom is religious & been skeptic on DnD. Everytime i talk about it to her she SO on & off about it. But sametime supportive how my campaign story was actually based for heaven vs hell. So shes eh okay about it. Sametime im late 20s she cant stop me anyways.
So fun story: i have a town full of Holy Roller Aasimars in which got half burned down by the God of Choas.
But the reason, it got burned was the tiefling of the party was captured after saving a little girl form being hurt & was sentenced for just being a tiefling.
The down to 1hp execution that took place in public caused the fighter goliath(also tieflings boyfriend) to go into a rage fit slaughtering the leader(& who was also the little girls father) to summon the god of chaos to reign fire on it for their cruel punishment to harming innocence.(which included the little girl cause before saving the tiefling, she was near killed, only cause she was a fallen aasimar)
So now the tiefling & goliath became two dads to their adopted daughter. Its cute af❤️ Alongside a Drow/Firbolg thats the mom of the party.
The rest the campaign world i got has alot thats just as bad🙃 or worse.
Got a player who is a scourge aasimar hexblade, whose sword is possessed by a great Demon thats one of God of Chaos Knights. And that assimar is likely to BEFRIEND it possibly! He already has befriended a goat. 🤣
I had a warlock pretend to be a priestess. My original intend was to reform her, but the party was too neutral-leaning for that. Instead she converted/manipulated a leader of a town, and he made her his advisor. The campaign ended there (for irrelevant reasons), but our DM placed the new campaign five years later, and by then my warlock had the entire town taking over and the people mindcontrolled. So now our new party is fighting her.
In the immortal words of Matt Murdock: "Please don't mock my faith".
Yes, the guy is nuts or uninformed to not know what the game would involve, but is undeserving of ridicule for his or her beliefs.
Even if he is overly superstitious as to magic and the implications of it
Such as the belief that magic is in any way "real" or that unrelated actions can have any effect on things in the real world
I'm sorry, how heavy earmuffs were put around that guy's head while they were a child? I'm a full Christian and grew up HEAVILY into DnD and most people who go to my church played at least once. Truth is that most religious people are over the panic because it's a game.
Everybody gangsta until the silent kid calls "The grand wizard" and his posse.
The first time I played DnD, I was the dm and me and my group were all from the same religion. But we didn't care about the "satanic" aspects of it. We didn't even realize anything was wrong with it.
The recurring joke was that one player had this huge female character (I don't remember the race) who once they were done interrogating an enemy, would eat them whole right there on the spot. We had fun.
Edit: the enemies were all goblins at the time so they were very much bite sized!
Decades ago I went to this festival for Christian Music and they were selling a Christian Themed RPG. I wish I still had the rules, it actually wasn't half bad.
Most of the legendary creatures of D&D are inspired to the Tolkien universe creatures (just like the major part of every other modern fantasy books/games/movies) Tolkien was a devout Catholic and the Lotr universe have a lot of Catholic references
I'm not sure if it counts as starting your own crazy religion, but I did play a tabaxi who in an attempt to create a distraction after a party member had been abducted by a tribe of koblin (my dms unholy crossbreed of kobalds and goblins) convinced the tribe that he was a deity sent to lead them to great power and riches. Several dozen sessions, and two real life years later and that tabaxi has a squad of a couple thousand followers who worship him fanaticly.
I’m a Christian and I play dnd never had a problem with demons or magic
My mom was nervous about my playing d&d but the friend who introduced me to it was someone she knew was a good guy so that eased her concerns.
So in most cases I would quickly say the dude was using religion as an excuse but given the plain Curse of Strad takes place in, I can see how dark magic would be the main source there.
Regardless it’s probably for the better that guy left. Since he wasn’t working with the party he would have probably been killed multiple times before the campaign ended.
Im religious and also the forever Dm and the way I typically handle a lot of magic/pagan stuff is to attribute them to Djinn. For example spellcasters are buddies with a Djinn they find that granted them powers, Warlocks have a dual personality between themselves and either a Djinn or an Efreet, and so on and so forth
i remember the "satanic panic" of the 80's, Tom Hanks even made a crappy movie about it
Was anyone else thinking curse of strahd when the narrator said "pocket demention" and "fortune teller?"
Closest I came to that was having a Mormon friend of mine sell me his copy of Morrowind because he didn't realize that it had magic in it and his mom said he couldn't play it. One of my favorite games ever.
3:05 it is reasonable enough for him to ask this of the DM.
It is, however, even more reasonable for the DM to respond: that is a very interesting suggestion, which I will (completely ignore) not follow.
My parents never let me watch Pokemon or play Dnd for the same reasons, they even thought the things on the Teletubbies heads was satanic symbols
it's frustrating to see when they use religion like this/their beliefs. Also being a woman of similar beliefs and personally trying not to interact with that aspect of lifestyle just because of my own reasons(no judgment if you are into it/are witch or anything of like like you do you). This is a game and it's not right to ask someone to change it because you feel uncomfortable. The great thing about D&D is there is some small group out there where It can be without magic and just a mid-evil RP. Granted I don't really care because it's fantasy and not real so I imbraces all of it. What I'm trying to say is don't force your beliefs onto people that's not right. You can talk about what you believe in go for it just be kind and open-minded that everyone will not think nor see things the same way.
I think D&D stories was especially angry at the religious zealot story part.
As for the other thing I haven't created a cult, but in an Icewind Dale game, I did have a coup against the leaders of the 10 towns by manipulating a paladin order and installing myself as leader afterwards.
My parents don't know I play DnD, no matter how flawless an argument in its favour I make, they always pull the, "I just don't like it", or "I'm your parent and I said no" cards
My mom was told as a teen that DND was basically witchcraft and devil worship. It took us a year to convince her to let us play the game with just each other with no demons allowed. We are allowed to play as Teiflings because I don’t think she knows what they are. So yeah it can be hard because I am a Christian myself but I love fantasy things like Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter so in short it’s hard finding that happy medium between the two. Though I will leave the fantasy stuff if it gets out of hand so it’s obvious what’s more important to me but it doesn’t mean that you should completely erase it because it’s not real. PS: I have never played a human or elf before yet, I’ve always played the weirder races
Confirmed, pink Minecraft sheep is best God.
So I'm a Christian myself who has had some experiences in my life that made me unsure about pathfinder/d&d. I didn't bring this up to anyone at my first table, I just played at tge table to see if this game was for me and if it can comply with my beliefs. After afew games we had faught and killed, devils, demons, hags, Fey, and so on while communing with angles, holy men, and gods. After that I decided that "this all checks out, and in some ways is just a more fanciful version of life" and I've been playing and DMing ever since.