Another one I filmed before the lockdown, more than 2 months ago. After 2 months of lockdown, the cases of new Covid infections in Malaysia is actually going up. At this rate, I will probably only be able to go out in 3087.
@Fckytggl Mthrfckr we are stuck for a year and a half. US is wide open. What are you talking about? At least in US you don't have barbed wires and policemen patrolling the streets
I feel you. I have family (my in-laws) in KL, Negeri Sembilan and Selangor. They cannot visit each other. Or if they do they face huge fines. Plus the fear mongering to get vaccinated is really on another level now. Funny though that there seems to be a "religion bias" when it comes to who (based on reace & religion) gets which vaccine ... that sounds terrible and sadly reminds you immediatly of what happened in germany in 1930s/1940s ...
I had to choose between the E-M1 Mark III & the E-M5 Mark III last August. I ended up going with the E-M1 because of the ergonomics and the handheld hi-res shot.
Great video one more time Robin, Congrats! I do have the E-M5 and I'm a professional photographer. It's an amazing camera that covers 90% of my works. Only for some particular dark places like churches (large group pictures...) or not well lighted night events I take my Canon 5D Mark III. But for the rest of the work M5 is a dream to me. So light equipment and with gorgeous lenses. As you says is more than sufficient for my work :)
I am watching this out of curiosity as I have the E-M1 II and indeed, I am a serious photographer who is not interested in video / vlogging. - It's great that you are giving the conclusion straight at the start but then go into the detail.
With firmware 3.1 the 4k video and the improved AF make video work nicely. And the 4k gives you an 8MP frame to harvest for stills. czcams.com/video/W0_OFkfUdxw/video.html
So much fun to see this. The E-M1 Mk.II is a no brainer for me. Better body, more robust and will take the knocks way better. Might be heavier but I'll take the hit and also the better grip on the E-M1. I have big hands and ready for the rigors of real life. Done!
I think they are the same camera,its all about style and feel. More stylish and vintage om look = e-m5nmkiii More ergonomic with a real pro look = e-m1 mk ii
Due to migraines, I have to wear polarized sunglasses all of the time when I'm outdoors in daylight. In this case, the E-m5 mark III has a significant advantage over the E-m1 mark II (and mark III as well). The E-m5 mark III has an OLED viewfinder which has no distortions when you view it through polarized sunglasses. The E-m1 series (and E-m5 mark I/II) use a TFT LCD display that has distortions when you shoot in landscape (horizontal) orientation and use polarized sunglasses. In most of the cameras with a TFT LCD viewfinder, I find the distortion is of the form of horizontal bands, where one band is clear, and the next band is distorted. The E-m5 mark II is different in that it is completely opaque. I find that on cameras with the bands of distortion, I can select a single focus point that is in the area that is not distorted and be able to shoot. However, I would not be able to manually focus the camera while using the sunglasses. I do find the color rendition of TFT LCD viewfinders to be more 'natural', and that OLED viewfinders tend to be a little supersaturated. I've learned over time to just mentally tone down the saturation to get a better idea of what the image will look like (and if I did like that supersaturation, raise the levels in post processing). But OLED displays do tend to display true black better than TFT LCD. The TFT LCD viewfinders do refresh faster than most OLED viewfinders, which is presumably the reason Olympus has stuck with these viewfinders for the higher end cameras. The Panasonic G9 has an OLED viewfinder that refreshes as fast as the Olympus TFT LCD viewfinders, but Olympus hasn't used it yet. IIRC, OLED displays tend to consume more power than TFT LCD displays. The power level tends to be more consistent no matter whether the scene is dark or light, while TFT LCD displays tend to use a variable amount of power, depending on the brightness of the display. In terms of computer monitors, TFT monitors tend to last longer than OLED. In particular towards the end of its lifetime, OLED displays start losing color fidelity, particularly the blue color (so monitors will boost the blue signal based on how much the monitor has been used). I'm not sure it matters as much for photographers. Most users probably don't use the camera as much for the viewfinder display to start failing. The pros and advanced amateurs that do spend consider time taking pictures each day tend to upgrade their camera gear every few years. I find the USB charging to be not that useful. You have to turn off the camera to charge the battery. If you never need to change your battery during the day, it is useful for traveling because you don't have to bring a separate charger. What I want is the ability that the E-m1 mark III has to be able to run a camera on a USB C-PD battery. The E-m1 mark II can also use a battery grip (HLD-9) that adds a second battery and it also has a port for external power. This can become an issue if you are using the camera for a long time, and changing the batteries can be problematic (if the camera is on a jig, or you are doing lots and lots of video on a tripod). For vlogging, one thing that is missing on the E-m5 mark III is a headphone jack. I did a video shoot in 2019, and I lost the first few minutes of sound because the microphone wasn't properly plugged in. I didn't notice as I was recording without a headset. That being said, I own an E-m5 mark III, but I've been thinking on adding an E-m1 mark II for the times it would be more useful.
Hi Robin. Fully agree with all your pointers on both cameras. I do have both thoese cameras and use them as tge situation requires. I must say,the omd em5 mk3 defnitly gets used more.
Another nice advantage of the E-M1ii is that it's actually the cheaper of the two on the used market, at least where I live. Around 25% less than the E-M5iii. It's easily the best value professional or enthusiast camera around at the moment
@@4mb127 I’ve watched a Craigslist Olympus EMD1 Mii for $550. The owner wouldn’t discount his price. A EMD1 Mii came on the market got $400 with two batteries and the charger. I have misplaced my Panasonic G9 and think the EMD1Mii would be a good replacement. The G9 has better video options but I only use video for short clips. Looking forward to setting up the camera and starting to use it. I have Panasonic & Olympus lenses so I am ready to go. I think I made a good purchase at a very good price. Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
very useful comparison, thanks! I'm using em1mkII since a few months now, and I'm pretty happy with it. For my use - reportage of long bike trails- the light weight of EM5 would be great, but the more customization of EM1 are even better. Also, the grip allows me to shoot while riding, which would be almost impossible on the EM5
Just got the em5 mark iii and loving it. Your videos have been super helpful in both making my decision as well as learning about the camera. Thank you.
Thank you, Robin. Good advice. I have the E-M1 mk2 and my older E--M1 as my second body. I think the E-M1 mk2 is plenty compact and light that something even lighter and smaller, with the big lenses in my collection mounted (300mm f4, and 4/3 14-35 and 35-100 f2 with adapters), would be a challenge. I love the layout of the camera's controls and its sturdiness, and I fully trust it to do what I need every time.
Yes the bigger camera handles and looks well with the bigger lenses. With the small primes, the smaller cameras really feel half that size and I really like that.
I recently sold my em1 mkii and bought the em5 mkiii. I have now shot 2 weddings with the new camera. One in Asia one in Europe and i love traveling with the em5 mkiii. Small, light and very capable. It reminds me of my old film days but not limited to 24 exposure and one iso. i recommend it to anyone both pros and advanced shooters. Two card slots does not a pro make. But carry a extra battery or two. Nice video!
I own the EM-1MKII and the EM-10MKII. I’m not a professional photographer but I appreciate the ergonomics and the balance of the EM-1. Especially when I use my two pro lenses. I love to use my EM-10 with the 25mm 1.8 as a photo therapy camera. Nice video Robin as always.
I have EM10 Mark ii x 2. Chrome and black. Would really like an EM1 Mark ii for the focus stacking, plus the high res and pro capture features. However, handling an old EM1 recently really did make me appreciate the lightness and small size of the EM10 cameras. Now I have the old 12-40 Pro it is maybe a little heavy on the EM10ii but with the 17mm f/1.8 and the 45mm f/1.8 the EM10ii is a perfect handler. I would like the 25mm f/1.8 too but I have the Lumix 25 that feels cheap but is actually cheap!
I concluded similar when I purchased my EM5iii, prioritising size & weight. I've since unexpectedly paired it with 40-150mm, which is poorly balanced, but still perfectly usable so long as you're not shooting constantly for hours. Happy with my choice as a keen amateur enjoying the hobby.
I ordered the E-M5 III when it came out with the grip. I really did like it, although the plastic body was a bit of a disappointment, even though the build quality seemed excellent. I just undermines the vintage look and feel of it. Still, I was happy with it, but right after I got it the E-M1 II came down in price to only $100 more body only. Except, I didn't have a body only E-M5 III, I also had the grip, which was an additional $170! So, my E-M5 III was actually $70 more than the E-M1 II! I liked the E-M5 III so I really had to think about it, but the E-M1 II was metal, had the OM Log video profile, and a much bigger battery that I didn't have to unscrew a grip to change. The real kicker was that the plastic E-M5 III really isn't that much lighter than the metal E-M1 II, especially with the grip. So, I took it back to B&H (one of the many benefits of living in NYC) and I exchanged it for the E-M1 II, plus an extra battery, memory card, and a little bit going back to my bank account. I do wish it was better looking though. It's just aesthetics, the handling and control are fantastic, but it's not as engaging to walk around with a boring looking tool of a camera. I know it's stupid, but it doesn't call out to you the way my original OMD and EP-5 did. The EP 7 is basically a more expensive version of the E-M10 IV, but without a viewfinder, and also plastic! They're basically making the same mistake that they did with the E-M5 III. Not surprising that it's a holdover from when Olympus ran things, given the direction they've been going. I hope JIP can restore Olympus cameras back to beautiful metal bodies. I think an EM-1 level camera that was modeled to look more like the E-M5 with the grip as one solid unit would go over very well, and would look "professional" enough in black. The vintage look doesn't seem to be hurting Fuji!
Greetings from southern Indiana, USA! I had the EM5 m2 as a backup for the EM1 m2 that I also had. I liked the grip for better stability when holding the camera. I found a used on at the camera store for the EM5 m2. I finally decided that for travel purposes, it was better to replace the EM5 and upgrade to the EM1 M3, with the EM1 m2 becoming the backup. Advantage: batteries. Both EM1 cameras use the same batteries, so I could bring just one charger instead of two. And the backup batteries would fit either EM1 camera. If I found I went through the batteries faster, I would probably look into those chargers that allow you to charge two batteries at one time. In general, I've found just one extra battery is all I need for one day of shooting.
Great comparison. For me the deciding factor was I can use my perpetual Lightroom 6.14 with the E-M1 Mark II but not with the E-M5 Mark III. The E-M5III would require the Lightroom subscription.
Upgraded 2 months ago from the Pen-F to the EM1.2. I feel like the files require less editing for some reason. The AF and the high ISO performance are much improved. Really like the camera and the features it has. Most of all, I enjoy Robin’s insights, reviews and helpful tips. Thank you!
Awesome video. I had the OlympusE-M5 Mark II , but traded it and got and Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II because it fit in my hand better. I am by no means a professional photographer, but I like the comfort and durability of the metal body over plastic. (EM5 MII was also made of metal).
good info...I chose the 5.3 partly because of a great sale with the excellent and compact 12-45. The small, light weight is good but still not a fan of plastic finish (though good quality). Two other things for me was the better eyepoint OLED EVF and the better slow-mo...
Sincerely Robin your videos are one of the best in the net to understand about the Olympus (now OMD). This kind of comparatives, your honest and clear knowledge of them provides me a lot of cristal information. I had this kind question.... I have a E-M5 mark 2... probably I need to update one day... maybe the E-M1 Mark2... but it looks that for me is definitely much better the E-M5 after your video. All, well maybe is much better say most of, youtubers all the time the most expensive, the latest lunch, the top of serie... is the best option! Doesn't matter which kind of use you need... All time making references about maybe, is just case, could be one day need it... Thanks for you hard work and commitment with the enthusiats of this amazing products! All best,
I just sold my em5iii since I didn’t use it as much as the em1ii and I already miss it. It’s a really good looking camera and sat perfectly next to my old OM2 in the shelf.
I was in same dilemma 6months ago. Then I chose EM1 ii for my bird and wildlife photography. I have done a few youtube videos with that camera but now I am feeling that for travel and day today street photography EM5 iii is better. Now I am planning to buy a EM5 body for street photography.
I owne both cameras, but for long distance bicycle tour I use the EM 5 III because of lower weight especially with the 12-45 F1:4. And I love the scenic mode panorama!
I just prefer the EM5 for my pro and fun work because of its size. And with grip adapter I find it more comfortable than the EM1 but I consider the G9 superior than all of them for hand placement
I think the ergonomics alone make the EM1 the better of the two, the dual slots and other features are icing on the cake. If I want smaller and sexy I'd take the Pen F.
@@joeltunnah Hold an EM-1, it’s not the same. All the button dial and switch positions for the right hand are designed around the grip. Olympus got the ergonomics almost perfect on the EM1.
Hi Robin, I love your videos, I am not a professional photographer, so I have omd em5 mark III with a 12-40mm f2.8 pro that I love it to take landscapes and some portraits too. I think the omd em5 markIII can work so well that can give images like you were professional, but like you said there is no bad cameras only bad photographers.
I have had the EM5 Mark III for about a year now. I have recently started using a tripod and also Peak Design Capture clip which I love. I have lived using the camera but the base has cracks around the tripod screw hole and a small chunk has now broken off. Apparently this is a common issue and now means I can no longer mount on a tripod. Wish I had the Em1 with the metal body...
Robin, you have made another excellent video that answered some questions I also had. I have owned the em5 iii since it’s debut in November 2019. I am very happy with it and don’t need the more robust (and heavier) em1 ii. I am hopeful that we might see a new sensor with higher MP in a new Olympus camera in the not too distant future.
I have the EM1-II and enjoy taking actions shots, mainly bicycle racing. I was initially unimpressed with the results using one-shot with varying settings. It wasn't until I used the pro capture mode that I realized how amazing this camera is. I had way too many poor shots with single shot mode and had way too many missed or out of focus images. The Pro Capture mode is amazing. I was rarely able to catch/focus on a subject closing at a high rate of speed until I used this mode. I'm very happy with the camera. Thank you for the reviews!
I have the em5ii, that I use with a third party grip, and the em1ii. For photowalks and if I want to keep it small, I take the em5 with one of the premium Oly prime lenses. If I want more flexibility I take the em1 with the 12-40 pro. This lens never leaves the camera. On the whole the em1 has better ergonomics but is a little more conspicious. They are both fantastic camera’s and there is very little difference in image quality. Battery life on the em5 is disappointing though.
Thanks Robin - I have the EM-1-II and the 12-100 zoom. Wonderful one camera/one lens option. Even as the Nikon Z50 gets much of my love recently with the Tamron 18-400 zoom, The Oly kit remains my favorite for event & inside work. I hope new products come out soon from them so we know the new company is in it for the long haul.
Have both of these, secondhand purchase. Both great cameras. Love both. Had the em5iii first but got the em1 ii for the extra 15 frame focus stacking capabilities and tethering . But my pen f is still favourite for walking around with. Would love a new pen f with weather sealing and better autofocus. Would then let the em1 MK2 go.
I own em1m2 as a backup/second camera to my canon r5. I love form factor of em1’2. I don’t like form factor of em5 due to lack of grip, my fingers start hurting pretty soon after using em5 and I would need an extra front grip just to overcome it, which defeats its purpose. Em1 much more comfortable. I also bought used em1x but sold it after couple of months- that was too bulky/uncomfortable and I did not find tracking autofocus on x was much better than em1m2 even after latest firmware. Em1m2 all the way!!!
Yet another great, upbeat video. Good analysis, detailed enough to back up your suggestions but not too long. The differences do push these cameras into different markets in a holistic way, all working together rather than making for tough choices. The similarities mean that neither one would be a "bad" choice even if it was not optimal. Their bottom line imaging being the same, you cannot go wrong where it counts. Thanks.
I switched from the EM5mkii to the EM1mkii and have never looked back. The EM1ii feels like it's part of my hand... I never feel like it's an anchor and the minimal gains that the EM5iii have, does not interest me. I expect the EM1ii to be with me for a lot of years as it is one of the most well built cameras out there.
Before upgrading from my E-P3, I prefer EM5 for similar size and weight. But when I need a new camera, EM5 was still at its 16MP 2nd Gen. so I hv choose EM1 II for higher resolution and 4K. Once I use EM1 II it could never go back, the grip, battery life and dual card. Even not a pro user I could enjoy its much greater capability for traveling and event shooting. By the time EM5 Release its 3rd Gen, its not very attractive to me as I’m already so used to my EM1 II as a companion. If I would add a lighter camera for more relaxing use, I will prefer going back to Pen, and the recent E-P7 seams nice, looking forward to your own hands on of this new one!
Greetings from Thailand. Great video with the easy to follow comparison. I primarily shoot full frame bird photography, and about to dip my toe into the Olympus macro world.
Hi Mr Wong, yet another amazing video straight to the point, professional and unbiased. I've got the em10 iii 40-150mm/12-45mm I'm thinking of upgrading or adding the em1 ii for more professional work and features to my collection. I must say I'm really enjoying the olympus system and getting positive compliments from the looks of the em10 iii and the pictures it produces. Thank you for your channel and the videos you make, they're super helpful .🙏🏼
Have the em10 MII and recently got the em1 MII love them both. The only thing I HATE about my EM10 MII is where the sd card is. I find it very hard to get it out with my fat fingers. Don't have the EM5 but I like the knobs on the EM5 as well as the EM10.
I also upgraded recently from the E-M10 Mk. II to the E-M1 Mk. II and love both. To the E-M10 Mk. II I added a grip because the body grip was to small to keep larger lenses stable. With the E-M1 mk. II I bought the HLD-9 battery grip to have more power and acting as a counter weight to my 100-400mm and my Delemax 650-1300mm manual tele lenses. I was stunned by the performance rate of the C-AF on the E-M1 in comparison to the E-M10. It is so much faster. Another feature I like on the E-M1 Mk.II is the full weather sealing. As an Aviation photographer ( airplane spotter) the weather sealing is actually a must have. Don't get me wrong I also love the E-M10 Mk. II. it is lightweight, does what it must do and is a easy travel camera with a 14-150mm lens attached to it. Basicly, the E-m10 Mk.II is married to the 14-150mm and my E-M1 Mk. II is married to the 100-400mm. Only backdraft I could find on the E-M1 Mk. II is the lack of a pop-up flash. Means that I can't use it with an external flash at certain times (like at some venues in India, since they regard an external flash as "professional"). Means I need to use the E-M10 Mk.II then. Same thing goes for tele zoom lenses like the 75-300mm and 100-400mm. Basicly any tele zoom lens bigger then 14-150/40-150mm is considered "professional" in most tourist venues like the Rajastan Heritage Village.
Thanks for the great comparison, Robin. Excellent presentation, as always! For the price, you really just cannot beat picking up a E-M1 Mark II, especially when you factor in the free Rokinin 16mm cine lens currently being offered by one major authorized resellers as an additional incentive.
I chose EM1 II over EM5 III and I am no more than a keen amateur. I came from EM5 I and was heading to EM5 III. Given the closeness in pricing I had to consider also the EM1 II and the way better handling on the EM1 II combined with battery life sealed it for me. BTW also got 12-40 Pro Lens which I think is a bit too heavy for the EM5. Certainly I am happy with my choice. The big pro Lens is a bigger factor on weight than the body - on a long hike I sometimes leave that behind and just carry my 9-18 lens which I love. Good summary though Robin - always love your Videos
I'm OK with the 12-40mm f/2.8 on the EM5 Mark iii and EM10 Mark ii but it's about at the size limit for me. I wouldn't go further. Luckily the wonderful 75mm f/1.8 is smaller than the 12-40mm f/2.8 and fits the smaller bodies wonderfully .
As of late 2022, EM5 Mark ii can still be obtained new at a discount with 2½ or 3 year warranty if you shop around in UK . EM1 Mark ii is discontinued so you might get a limited 6 month warranty from a dealer - but it's cheaper. I would say EM1ii is a better product but EM5iii is very attractive for its lightweight and compact form factor - a nice upgrade from an EM10 Mark ii for instance.
I have both cameras also and I agree with you Robin. A few notes: - Why Olympus no Web Cam connection to EM5.3? It costs 1249 euro body only in Europe and not having a Web Cam connection is a big fault from Olympus. Especially when Em5.2 can do it. - Although EM1.2 and EM5.3 have same processor and sensor, I can see slight changes in the image. Comparing the Natural Profile I found EM1.2 to have a bit more saturated color a bit less contrast than the new Em5.3. Have you seen these small color differences Robin? Small but visible in 4k 99.99% sRGB screen. - Still laughing with your suggestion for FF trolls :D
I completely agree with you. This is a strange decision by Olympus. Of course, they can decide to reverse course at any time, since the EM 5.3 has the same processor as the EM 1.2. On top of that, it has the benefit of USB charging, which allows for long online sessions w/o changing batteries. For this past semester, some days I had to stay online teaching 6h straight (OK, 1h15' + 1h + 3h with 15' breaks in-between), using the Olympus Web Can app on Zoom. Last fall, I had used my Pen-F, because it somehow felt better suited, bu I kept forgetting to change the battery. In December, I bought a battery grip for the EM 1.2, and this was one of the best purchases I ever made: The battery grip has an AC input that allows me to run my EM 1.2 forever w/o draining the battery (it doesn't charge the batteries, though, as I found out). In the end, my Zoom setup is: EM 1.2 + battery grip with AC power + either Olympus 17mm f/1.7 or Pana-Leica 25mm f/1.4.
For me Pro Capture was a decision maker. The E-M5 Iii buffers only 14 frames and that’s too short for me shooting song birds, where I found 30 f/s to be the optimal rate. I don‘t know, but if the E-M5 III has live monitoring on the hdmi port, one may utilize an affordable usb capture adapter for webcam application. One thing I am missing on the E-M1 II is Bluetooth for easier connection to my smartphone.
Hi Robin, I agree with most of the points. The EM 5 Mark III has a very nice body. Since both cameras have the same price, I would prefer the EM 1 Mark II as the main camera, just because of the battery grip and the larger battery. If you are very light on the road with a Prime lens, then the EM 5.
You can use a powerbank to charge the BLH-1 battery of the E-M1ii on the go, if you buy a USB powered battery charger. They're tiny, easy to carry with you and inexpensive. The one I have is a Duracell DRO 5943, but I think there are other makes.
I don't have either of these cameras yet. I'm interested in both of them. My next camera will certainly be some of the many OM-D models. But I'm not in a hurry to get one. I'm now using Pen E-PL8.
Hi I have the epl8 and the 5 mkiii but find myself grabbing the epl8 for convenience when shooting the grandchildren. Although I have several primes and various kit lenses I keep the 17 mm 2.8 on the epl8 and find it to be a great combination. The 5 mkiii however is capable of brilliant images
Hi, Robin - I am one of your many thousands of giant fans - THANKS for this video! I am now looking into either of these cameras just to get better autofocus and battery life than my otherwise wonderful M5 Mark II. My biggest question is compatibilty with flashes and lenses I already have for real estate shooting. ALL of my equipment is matched to the M5 Mark II - everything from flashes and remote triggers, to microphones. My main lenses I know will will work (favorite is the 7-14 M Zuiko Pro tele, by far), but I'm worried about my Godox flashes and other stuff. Do you think staying with M5 (moving to M3) line is wise, or can I use the M1 Mark II (I prefer mainly because of great battery life) with my stuff? YOU are the BEST!!!
In the end I chose the Em5 Mark 3 with 12-45 pro. They are too close in features however with the BT and lighter body on the EM5 M3 it ended up making more sense.
A very useful and interesting comparison, Robin. I have two E-M 5 Mk ll which I'll be looking to replace sometime, and now have a better idea of my next move. Thank you!
Wonderful! I own both the OM1 MII and the OM5 MIII and I needed advice on which to take travelling and bushwalking. It will be the OM5 MIII with a prime 17mm Zuiko lens and I know I can be confident about the decision. Thank you, Robin.
Hi, I was forced to make the same decission at the end of 2019. My EM5 was stolen and I needed to buy a new camera. By the time I made my decision, there was another contender, the Panasonic G9. Slightly larger in hands, and the fact that it lacks phase-detection AF (I couldn't use my old 4/3 lenses on it if I wanted to) put me off this option, so the decision was between the two Olys. Same price point, and a slightly more capababilities for the EM1 MK II over EM5 MK III ( I only use continous shooting in a limited range of situations) , and its size is more balanced for 12-40mm 2.8 and 40-150 2.8, lenses I was in love with ( I remember beeing unconfortable using my old EM5 with 12-40mm 2.8 and much worst for 40-150mm). If the new 12-45mm and 40-150mm have been availabe at a lower price that the kit I ultimately bought, I am not sure what decission I would have made. I am very satisfied with my M1MkII but I miss HR handheld, and Live ND modes of the succesor MI MKIII. Best Regards
Thank you for the positive video. The heaviness of choice still remained. In case of insufficient lighting, are their capabilities equal? I don't want to buy a full frame for one shoot. But I need to videotape the Northern Lights.
Got the EM-5III.. for price that was hard to resist :D Should be nice upgrade from EPL-6 and maybe even rival my main Pentax K3 for some tasks.. we will see. :D
Great video Robin! I have the E-M5 II as my daily camera and I love how compact it is, how beautiful it looks, and how well it handles with my favourite 75mm f/1.8 I owned the E-M1 II for a while and loved it, it's so capable for how small it is. I've since upgraded to the E-M1X because my favourite photography is of birds, so I love the integrated vertical grip and the extra balance for my 100-400mm. I still sometimes miss the beautiful ergonomics and compactness of the E-M1 II with my 12-100mm PRO.
Right now, the EM5 Mark III and EM1 Mark III cost the same used, I originally got the EM5, but I like using a 12-40 f2.8 as my main lens and found that I would've liked a little extra grip. At that point I was better off just returning it and getting the EM1 instead, its slightly bigger and heavier, but it has more features and better overall performance.
I love you video about olympus. I am surprised how good the olympus cameras are. I am looking at lumix camera as i love its form factor plus its lenses. I love to shoot video more than taking photos. From your video i am eyeing EM5 iii.. looks Cute. Maybe i will learn more about m4/3 art from your video. Thank you sir
I have first gen of both. Haven't decided an upgrade yet bot noticed that EM1 mk Ii and Lumix G9 are similar price now. Might go with EM5 mk Ii since I am not shooting pro stuff but mostly outdoors pics. Thanks for more good info.
I'm not a pro by any stretch of the imagination, but I do love the Olympus Pro series lenses. While the 12-45/4 balances well on the E-M5 III, the other Pro lenses are a bit unbalanced without the add on grip. Turns out with the grip attached I can't change my little Pez sized batteries, and, this is a big one, with the grip, The E-M5 III is only 39gm lighter than the E-M1 II. So I guess if you're ok with the little kit zooms and the f1.8 primes, the E-M5 is a good fit, but otherwise, personally, the trade off just isn't worth it. YMMV
I think you could still use the E-M5 mark III as a webcam, as it has an HDMI output, just not with Olympus webcam software, but with something like elgato camlink? Is this correct?
Yes I believe so. You have to set the mode to HDMI Record mode. You can only put out 1080p video, not 4K or C4K (page 146). Unlike normal video record on the Olympus cameras, HDMI record mode does not have a 30 minute time limit (other than the battery). Of course if you are going to be using the camera for some time as a web camera, you will need to use a dummy battery and externally power the camera.
Great 'versus' video. I already have the EM5 MK2, which more than suffices as a casual camera (especially when paired with the 12-40mm PRO lens - which practically lives on the camera permanently!). They're getting harder to get hold of now, but I really hope I can get hold of an EM1 MK2 asap before they're discontinued - that's always been my goal, to have the EM1 MK2 as my professional camera body. I really do not need any more than what it will deliver. But, Robin - where can I get the same lanyard you have there on your EM1 ?
I think the only answer is to own both.😉 I do love the EM5iii though because if I want to keep it small and light I can, and if I want to use bigger lenses I can add the extra grip (which is actually really nicely made). And yes it is the best looking OMD of all time.😍 Almost as sexy as my OM-1.
The only disappointing thing about that grip is you can't change batteries with it on. Which is a bummer considering the battery life. It is supremely comfortable, though... if not quite as comfortable as the e-m1.
Another one I filmed before the lockdown, more than 2 months ago. After 2 months of lockdown, the cases of new Covid infections in Malaysia is actually going up. At this rate, I will probably only be able to go out in 3087.
Are vaccination rates low? Is it the problem? USA is wide open with everything open and has been so since May 15 (most states)
@Fckytggl Mthrfckr we are stuck for a year and a half. US is wide open. What are you talking about? At least in US you don't have barbed wires and policemen patrolling the streets
Hi from Bangkok, we are in a very similar situation, ever where is shut but its not a lockdown, apparently :(
I feel you. I have family (my in-laws) in KL, Negeri Sembilan and Selangor. They cannot visit each other. Or if they do they face huge fines. Plus the fear mongering to get vaccinated is really on another level now. Funny though that there seems to be a "religion bias" when it comes to who (based on reace & religion) gets which vaccine ... that sounds terrible and sadly reminds you immediatly of what happened in germany in 1930s/1940s ...
It must be so frustrating as I know from my colleagues in Malaysia. - Hang in there, Robin.
Never thought of using my EM1-ii to bash open skulls of full frame comment trolls, thanks for the great tips Robin! 😂😂
I love the zeal in every sentence, and how you describe each feature, 100% engaging. Great comparison!
I had to choose between the E-M1 Mark III & the E-M5 Mark III last August. I ended up going with the E-M1 because of the ergonomics and the handheld hi-res shot.
Great video one more time Robin, Congrats! I do have the E-M5 and I'm a professional photographer. It's an amazing camera that covers 90% of my works. Only for some particular dark places like churches (large group pictures...) or not well lighted night events I take my Canon 5D Mark III. But for the rest of the work M5 is a dream to me. So light equipment and with gorgeous lenses. As you says is more than sufficient for my work :)
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Which use lenses m5 mark3
I love both and they are equally good in different ways. EM1 II changed my life, EM5III has my face on it ;)
I am watching this out of curiosity as I have the E-M1 II and indeed, I am a serious photographer who is not interested in video / vlogging. - It's great that you are giving the conclusion straight at the start but then go into the detail.
With firmware 3.1 the 4k video and the improved AF make video work nicely. And the 4k gives you an 8MP frame to harvest for stills. czcams.com/video/W0_OFkfUdxw/video.html
So much fun to see this. The E-M1 Mk.II is a no brainer for me. Better body, more robust and will take the knocks way better. Might be heavier but I'll take the hit and also the better grip on the E-M1. I have big hands and ready for the rigors of real life. Done!
E-M5 MarkII with my trusty 9-18mm lens. Spot on Robin. Coffees in the post! Enjoy.
C-AF on E-M5 Mark II is rubbish.
I think they are the same camera,its all about style and feel.
More stylish and vintage om look = e-m5nmkiii
More ergonomic with a real pro look = e-m1 mk ii
Due to migraines, I have to wear polarized sunglasses all of the time when I'm outdoors in daylight. In this case, the E-m5 mark III has a significant advantage over the E-m1 mark II (and mark III as well). The E-m5 mark III has an OLED viewfinder which has no distortions when you view it through polarized sunglasses. The E-m1 series (and E-m5 mark I/II) use a TFT LCD display that has distortions when you shoot in landscape (horizontal) orientation and use polarized sunglasses.
In most of the cameras with a TFT LCD viewfinder, I find the distortion is of the form of horizontal bands, where one band is clear, and the next band is distorted. The E-m5 mark II is different in that it is completely opaque. I find that on cameras with the bands of distortion, I can select a single focus point that is in the area that is not distorted and be able to shoot. However, I would not be able to manually focus the camera while using the sunglasses.
I do find the color rendition of TFT LCD viewfinders to be more 'natural', and that OLED viewfinders tend to be a little supersaturated. I've learned over time to just mentally tone down the saturation to get a better idea of what the image will look like (and if I did like that supersaturation, raise the levels in post processing). But OLED displays do tend to display true black better than TFT LCD.
The TFT LCD viewfinders do refresh faster than most OLED viewfinders, which is presumably the reason Olympus has stuck with these viewfinders for the higher end cameras. The Panasonic G9 has an OLED viewfinder that refreshes as fast as the Olympus TFT LCD viewfinders, but Olympus hasn't used it yet.
IIRC, OLED displays tend to consume more power than TFT LCD displays. The power level tends to be more consistent no matter whether the scene is dark or light, while TFT LCD displays tend to use a variable amount of power, depending on the brightness of the display.
In terms of computer monitors, TFT monitors tend to last longer than OLED. In particular towards the end of its lifetime, OLED displays start losing color fidelity, particularly the blue color (so monitors will boost the blue signal based on how much the monitor has been used). I'm not sure it matters as much for photographers. Most users probably don't use the camera as much for the viewfinder display to start failing. The pros and advanced amateurs that do spend consider time taking pictures each day tend to upgrade their camera gear every few years.
I find the USB charging to be not that useful. You have to turn off the camera to charge the battery. If you never need to change your battery during the day, it is useful for traveling because you don't have to bring a separate charger.
What I want is the ability that the E-m1 mark III has to be able to run a camera on a USB C-PD battery. The E-m1 mark II can also use a battery grip (HLD-9) that adds a second battery and it also has a port for external power. This can become an issue if you are using the camera for a long time, and changing the batteries can be problematic (if the camera is on a jig, or you are doing lots and lots of video on a tripod).
For vlogging, one thing that is missing on the E-m5 mark III is a headphone jack. I did a video shoot in 2019, and I lost the first few minutes of sound because the microphone wasn't properly plugged in. I didn't notice as I was recording without a headset.
That being said, I own an E-m5 mark III, but I've been thinking on adding an E-m1 mark II for the times it would be more useful.
Hi Robin. Fully agree with all your pointers on both cameras. I do have both thoese cameras and use them as tge situation requires. I must say,the omd em5 mk3 defnitly gets used more.
Another nice advantage of the E-M1ii is that it's actually the cheaper of the two on the used market, at least where I live. Around 25% less than the E-M5iii. It's easily the best value professional or enthusiast camera around at the moment
I just got one for 550e used. Feels like I just robbed someone.
@@4mb127 I’ve watched a Craigslist Olympus EMD1 Mii for $550. The owner wouldn’t discount his price. A EMD1 Mii came on the market got $400 with two batteries and the charger. I have misplaced my Panasonic G9 and think the EMD1Mii would be a good replacement. The G9 has better video options but I only use video for short clips.
Looking forward to setting up the camera and starting to use it. I have Panasonic & Olympus lenses so I am ready to go. I think I made a good purchase at a very good price.
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very useful comparison, thanks! I'm using em1mkII since a few months now, and I'm pretty happy with it. For my use - reportage of long bike trails- the light weight of EM5 would be great, but the more customization of EM1 are even better. Also, the grip allows me to shoot while riding, which would be almost impossible on the EM5
Just got the em5 mark iii and loving it. Your videos have been super helpful in both making my decision as well as learning about the camera. Thank you.
Thank you, Robin. Good advice. I have the E-M1 mk2 and my older E--M1 as my second body. I think the E-M1 mk2 is plenty compact and light that something even lighter and smaller, with the big lenses in my collection mounted (300mm f4, and 4/3 14-35 and 35-100 f2 with adapters), would be a challenge. I love the layout of the camera's controls and its sturdiness, and I fully trust it to do what I need every time.
Yes the bigger camera handles and looks well with the bigger lenses. With the small primes, the smaller cameras really feel half that size and I really like that.
I recently sold my em1 mkii and bought the em5 mkiii. I have now shot 2 weddings with the new camera. One in Asia one in Europe and i love traveling with the em5 mkiii. Small, light and very capable. It reminds me of my old film days but not limited to 24 exposure and one iso. i recommend it to anyone both pros and advanced shooters. Two card slots does not a pro make. But carry a extra battery or two. Nice video!
I own the EM-1MKII and the EM-10MKII. I’m not a professional photographer but I appreciate the ergonomics and the balance of the EM-1. Especially when I use my two pro lenses. I love to use my EM-10 with the 25mm 1.8 as a photo therapy camera.
Nice video Robin as always.
I have EM10 Mark ii x 2. Chrome and black. Would really like an EM1 Mark ii for the focus stacking, plus the high res and pro capture features. However, handling an old EM1 recently really did make me appreciate the lightness and small size of the EM10 cameras. Now I have the old 12-40 Pro it is maybe a little heavy on the EM10ii but with the 17mm f/1.8 and the 45mm f/1.8 the EM10ii is a perfect handler. I would like the 25mm f/1.8 too but I have the Lumix 25 that feels cheap but is actually cheap!
I concluded similar when I purchased my EM5iii, prioritising size & weight. I've since unexpectedly paired it with 40-150mm, which is poorly balanced, but still perfectly usable so long as you're not shooting constantly for hours.
Happy with my choice as a keen amateur enjoying the hobby.
I ordered the E-M5 III when it came out with the grip. I really did like it, although the plastic body was a bit of a disappointment, even though the build quality seemed excellent. I just undermines the vintage look and feel of it. Still, I was happy with it, but right after I got it the E-M1 II came down in price to only $100 more body only. Except, I didn't have a body only E-M5 III, I also had the grip, which was an additional $170! So, my E-M5 III was actually $70 more than the E-M1 II! I liked the E-M5 III so I really had to think about it, but the E-M1 II was metal, had the OM Log video profile, and a much bigger battery that I didn't have to unscrew a grip to change. The real kicker was that the plastic E-M5 III really isn't that much lighter than the metal E-M1 II, especially with the grip. So, I took it back to B&H (one of the many benefits of living in NYC) and I exchanged it for the E-M1 II, plus an extra battery, memory card, and a little bit going back to my bank account. I do wish it was better looking though. It's just aesthetics, the handling and control are fantastic, but it's not as engaging to walk around with a boring looking tool of a camera. I know it's stupid, but it doesn't call out to you the way my original OMD and EP-5 did. The EP 7 is basically a more expensive version of the E-M10 IV, but without a viewfinder, and also plastic! They're basically making the same mistake that they did with the E-M5 III. Not surprising that it's a holdover from when Olympus ran things, given the direction they've been going. I hope JIP can restore Olympus cameras back to beautiful metal bodies. I think an EM-1 level camera that was modeled to look more like the E-M5 with the grip as one solid unit would go over very well, and would look "professional" enough in black. The vintage look doesn't seem to be hurting Fuji!
Greetings from southern Indiana, USA! I had the EM5 m2 as a backup for the EM1 m2 that I also had. I liked the grip for better stability when holding the camera. I found a used on at the camera store for the EM5 m2. I finally decided that for travel purposes, it was better to replace the EM5 and upgrade to the EM1 M3, with the EM1 m2 becoming the backup. Advantage: batteries. Both EM1 cameras use the same batteries, so I could bring just one charger instead of two. And the backup batteries would fit either EM1 camera. If I found I went through the batteries faster, I would probably look into those chargers that allow you to charge two batteries at one time. In general, I've found just one extra battery is all I need for one day of shooting.
Great comparison. For me the deciding factor was I can use my perpetual Lightroom 6.14 with the E-M1 Mark II but not with the E-M5 Mark III. The E-M5III would require the Lightroom subscription.
Why is that? Aren't they just jpegs?
Upgraded 2 months ago from the Pen-F to the EM1.2. I feel like the files require less editing for some reason. The AF and the high ISO performance are much improved. Really like the camera and the features it has. Most of all, I enjoy Robin’s insights, reviews and helpful tips. Thank you!
Awesome video. I had the OlympusE-M5 Mark II , but traded it and got and Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II because it fit in my hand better. I am by no means a professional photographer, but I like the comfort and durability of the metal body over plastic. (EM5 MII was also made of metal).
good info...I chose the 5.3 partly because of a great sale with the excellent and compact 12-45. The small, light weight is good but still not a fan of plastic finish (though good quality). Two other things for me was the better eyepoint OLED EVF and the better slow-mo...
Nice camera. I got the same. It's a great upgrade from the EM10 series in my view and takes the same batteries.
Sincerely Robin your videos are one of the best in the net to understand about the Olympus (now OMD). This kind of comparatives, your honest and clear knowledge of them provides me a lot of cristal information. I had this kind question.... I have a E-M5 mark 2... probably I need to update one day... maybe the E-M1 Mark2... but it looks that for me is definitely much better the E-M5 after your video. All, well maybe is much better say most of, youtubers all the time the most expensive, the latest lunch, the top of serie... is the best option! Doesn't matter which kind of use you need... All time making references about maybe, is just case, could be one day need it...
Thanks for you hard work and commitment with the enthusiats of this amazing products!
All best,
I just sold my em5iii since I didn’t use it as much as the em1ii and I already miss it. It’s a really good looking camera and sat perfectly next to my old OM2 in the shelf.
It’s really the best looking digital camera Olympus ever made, IMO.
@@joeltunnah you’re absolutely right, that’s why I miss it already😊
@@joeltunnah My PEN F begs to differ. All in fun! :)
3:29 I chuckled out loud. You're not wrong lol.
I was in same dilemma 6months ago. Then I chose EM1 ii for my bird and wildlife photography. I have done a few youtube videos with that camera but now I am feeling that for travel and day today street photography EM5 iii is better. Now I am planning to buy a EM5 body for street photography.
I owne both cameras, but for long distance bicycle tour I use the EM 5 III because of lower weight especially with the 12-45 F1:4. And I love the scenic mode panorama!
Been looking for an upgrade from my o-em10 mk 3 ready for my nieces wedding. Once again, more than helpful Robin. Thank you.
I just prefer the EM5 for my pro and fun work because of its size. And with grip adapter I find it more comfortable than the EM1 but I consider the G9 superior than all of them for hand placement
I think the ergonomics alone make the EM1 the better of the two, the dual slots and other features are icing on the cake. If I want smaller and sexy I'd take the Pen F.
You can add the grip to the EM5iii.
@@joeltunnah Hold an EM-1, it’s not the same. All the button dial and switch positions for the right hand are designed around the grip. Olympus got the ergonomics almost perfect on the EM1.
had to give my boy a "LIKE".. keep grinding Robin. We appreciate you and your hard work
Thank you. This was exactly what I was looking for as I want to buy one or the other and it was hard to see what the pros & cons were of each.
Hi Robin, I love your videos, I am not a professional photographer, so I have omd em5 mark III with a 12-40mm f2.8 pro that I love it to take landscapes and some portraits too. I think the omd em5 markIII can work so well that can give images like you were professional, but like you said there is no bad cameras only bad photographers.
I love my EM5 Mark III for vlogging, but it is fun photography camera too.
I have had the EM5 Mark III for about a year now. I have recently started using a tripod and also Peak Design Capture clip which I love. I have lived using the camera but the base has cracks around the tripod screw hole and a small chunk has now broken off. Apparently this is a common issue and now means I can no longer mount on a tripod. Wish I had the Em1 with the metal body...
Robin, you have made another excellent video that answered some questions I also had. I have owned the em5 iii since it’s debut in November 2019. I am very happy with it and don’t need the more robust (and heavier) em1 ii.
I am hopeful that we might see a new sensor with higher MP in a new Olympus camera in the not too distant future.
I have the EM1-II and enjoy taking actions shots, mainly bicycle racing. I was initially unimpressed with the results using one-shot with varying settings. It wasn't until I used the pro capture mode that I realized how amazing this camera is. I had way too many poor shots with single shot mode and had way too many missed or out of focus images. The Pro Capture mode is amazing. I was rarely able to catch/focus on a subject closing at a high rate of speed until I used this mode. I'm very happy with the camera. Thank you for the reviews!
I need to try this on the EM5 Mark iii.
I have the em5ii, that I use with a third party grip, and the em1ii. For photowalks and if I want to keep it small, I take the em5 with one of the premium Oly prime lenses. If I want more flexibility I take the em1 with the 12-40 pro. This lens never leaves the camera. On the whole the em1 has better ergonomics but is a little more conspicious. They are both fantastic camera’s and there is very little difference in image quality. Battery life on the em5 is disappointing though.
Thanks Robin - I have the EM-1-II and the 12-100 zoom. Wonderful one camera/one lens option. Even as the Nikon Z50 gets much of my love recently with the Tamron 18-400 zoom, The Oly kit remains my favorite for event & inside work. I hope new products come out soon from them so we know the new company is in it for the long haul.
I recently had a corrupt SD card in slot one of my E-M1 ii but thankfully slot 2 was fine so 2 card slots end of story the E-M1 ii every time.
Im gonna wait if Panasonic release a GX10 first. If not, id definitely get the EM5 mkiii.
Have both of these, secondhand purchase. Both great cameras. Love both. Had the em5iii first but got the em1 ii for the extra 15 frame focus stacking capabilities and tethering . But my pen f is still favourite for walking around with. Would love a new pen f with weather sealing and better autofocus. Would then let the em1 MK2 go.
I own em1m2 as a backup/second camera to my canon r5. I love form factor of em1’2. I don’t like form factor of em5 due to lack of grip, my fingers start hurting pretty soon after using em5 and I would need an extra front grip just to overcome it, which defeats its purpose. Em1 much more comfortable. I also bought used em1x but sold it after couple of months- that was too bulky/uncomfortable and I did not find tracking autofocus on x was much better than em1m2 even after latest firmware. Em1m2 all the way!!!
Yet another great, upbeat video. Good analysis, detailed enough to back up your suggestions but not too long. The differences do push these cameras into different markets in a holistic way, all working together rather than making for tough choices. The similarities mean that neither one would be a "bad" choice even if it was not optimal. Their bottom line imaging being the same, you cannot go wrong where it counts. Thanks.
I switched from the EM5mkii to the EM1mkii and have never looked back. The EM1ii feels like it's part of my hand... I never feel like it's an anchor and the minimal gains that the EM5iii have, does not interest me. I expect the EM1ii to be with me for a lot of years as it is one of the most well built cameras out there.
Does the em5iii have PDAF? And how about the AF accuracy and speed?
Thankyou in advance
Before upgrading from my E-P3, I prefer EM5 for similar size and weight.
But when I need a new camera, EM5 was still at its 16MP 2nd Gen. so I hv choose EM1 II for higher resolution and 4K.
Once I use EM1 II it could never go back, the grip, battery life and dual card. Even not a pro user I could enjoy its much greater capability for traveling and event shooting.
By the time EM5 Release its 3rd Gen, its not very attractive to me as I’m already so used to my EM1 II as a companion.
If I would add a lighter camera for more relaxing use, I will prefer going back to Pen, and the recent E-P7 seams nice, looking forward to your own hands on of this new one!
Robin, would be a blast to hang out with you for an afternoon! My E M5 mklll arrives Tuesday. Your vids are most informative and inspiring!
Greetings from Thailand. Great video with the easy to follow comparison. I primarily shoot full frame bird photography, and about to dip my toe into the Olympus macro world.
Hi Mr Wong, yet another amazing video straight to the point, professional and unbiased. I've got the em10 iii 40-150mm/12-45mm I'm thinking of upgrading or adding the em1 ii for more professional work and features to my collection. I must say I'm really enjoying the olympus system and getting positive compliments from the looks of the em10 iii and the pictures it produces. Thank you for your channel and the videos you make, they're super helpful .🙏🏼
Good choice IMO. There are loads of EM1 Mark ii cameras for sale as of 2022. Prices around 450 to 500 GBP. Maybe can pick up cheaper if patient.
The comparison of the two devices helped me a lot.
Thanks!
Appreciate your videos so much! These 2 were exactly what I was looking for as a comparison!
Have the em10 MII and recently got the em1 MII love them both. The only thing I HATE about my EM10 MII is where the sd card is. I find it very hard to get it out with my fat fingers. Don't have the EM5 but I like the knobs on the EM5 as well as the EM10.
I also upgraded recently from the E-M10 Mk. II to the E-M1 Mk. II and love both. To the E-M10 Mk. II I added a grip because the body grip was to small to keep larger lenses stable. With the E-M1 mk. II I bought the HLD-9 battery grip to have more power and acting as a counter weight to my 100-400mm and my Delemax 650-1300mm manual tele lenses.
I was stunned by the performance rate of the C-AF on the E-M1 in comparison to the E-M10. It is so much faster. Another feature I like on the E-M1 Mk.II is the full weather sealing. As an Aviation photographer ( airplane spotter) the weather sealing is actually a must have. Don't get me wrong I also love the E-M10 Mk. II. it is lightweight, does what it must do and is a easy travel camera with a 14-150mm lens attached to it. Basicly, the E-m10 Mk.II is married to the 14-150mm and my E-M1 Mk. II is married to the 100-400mm. Only backdraft I could find on the E-M1 Mk. II is the lack of a pop-up flash. Means that I can't use it with an external flash at certain times (like at some venues in India, since they regard an external flash as "professional"). Means I need to use the E-M10 Mk.II then. Same thing goes for tele zoom lenses like the 75-300mm and 100-400mm. Basicly any tele zoom lens bigger then 14-150/40-150mm is considered "professional" in most tourist venues like the Rajastan Heritage Village.
Thanks for the great comparison, Robin. Excellent presentation, as always!
For the price, you really just cannot beat picking up a E-M1 Mark II, especially when you factor in the free Rokinin 16mm cine lens currently being offered by one major authorized resellers as an additional incentive.
I wish they can give 120fps slow-mo on the EM1 mark ii 🥲
I chose EM1 II over EM5 III and I am no more than a keen amateur. I came from EM5 I and was heading to EM5 III. Given the closeness in pricing I had to consider also the EM1 II and the way better handling on the EM1 II combined with battery life sealed it for me. BTW also got 12-40 Pro Lens which I think is a bit too heavy for the EM5. Certainly I am happy with my choice. The big pro Lens is a bigger factor on weight than the body - on a long hike I sometimes leave that behind and just carry my 9-18 lens which I love. Good summary though Robin - always love your Videos
I'm OK with the 12-40mm f/2.8 on the EM5 Mark iii and EM10 Mark ii but it's about at the size limit for me. I wouldn't go further. Luckily the wonderful 75mm f/1.8 is smaller than the 12-40mm f/2.8 and fits the smaller bodies wonderfully .
As of late 2022, EM5 Mark ii can still be obtained new at a discount with 2½ or 3 year warranty if you shop around in UK . EM1 Mark ii is discontinued so you might get a limited 6 month warranty from a dealer - but it's cheaper. I would say EM1ii is a better product but EM5iii is very attractive for its lightweight and compact form factor - a nice upgrade from an EM10 Mark ii for instance.
I have both cameras also and I agree with you Robin.
A few notes:
- Why Olympus no Web Cam connection to EM5.3? It costs 1249 euro body only in Europe and not having a Web Cam connection is a big fault from Olympus. Especially when Em5.2 can do it.
- Although EM1.2 and EM5.3 have same processor and sensor, I can see slight changes in the image. Comparing the Natural Profile I found EM1.2 to have a bit more saturated color a bit less contrast than the new Em5.3. Have you seen these small color differences Robin? Small but visible in 4k 99.99% sRGB screen.
- Still laughing with your suggestion for FF trolls :D
I completely agree with you. This is a strange decision by Olympus. Of course, they can decide to reverse course at any time, since the EM 5.3 has the same processor as the EM 1.2. On top of that, it has the benefit of USB charging, which allows for long online sessions w/o changing batteries.
For this past semester, some days I had to stay online teaching 6h straight (OK, 1h15' + 1h + 3h with 15' breaks in-between), using the Olympus Web Can app on Zoom. Last fall, I had used my Pen-F, because it somehow felt better suited, bu I kept forgetting to change the battery. In December, I bought a battery grip for the EM 1.2, and this was one of the best purchases I ever made: The battery grip has an AC input that allows me to run my EM 1.2 forever w/o draining the battery (it doesn't charge the batteries, though, as I found out).
In the end, my Zoom setup is: EM 1.2 + battery grip with AC power + either Olympus 17mm f/1.7 or Pana-Leica 25mm f/1.4.
@@j-yjyh8521 thanks for the tip. Didn't know that I needed a grip for continoues charging in EM1.2. I have to buy one in the future.
Hey Robin - I am just coming up to speed on these cameras so appreciate your vids
For me Pro Capture was a decision maker. The E-M5 Iii buffers only 14 frames and that’s too short for me shooting song birds, where I found 30 f/s to be the optimal rate. I don‘t know, but if the E-M5 III has live monitoring on the hdmi port, one may utilize an affordable usb capture adapter for webcam application. One thing I am missing on the E-M1 II is Bluetooth for easier connection to my smartphone.
I’m not a professional but I like the melee feature mentioned at about 3:30 🤣👍
Mental note: Don’t make Mr. Wong angry! 🤣👍
Hi Robin, I agree with most of the points. The EM 5 Mark III has a very nice body. Since both cameras have the same price, I would prefer the EM 1 Mark II as the main camera, just because of the battery grip and the larger battery. If you are very light on the road with a Prime lens, then the EM 5.
You can use a powerbank to charge the BLH-1 battery of the E-M1ii on the go, if you buy a USB powered battery charger. They're tiny, easy to carry with you and inexpensive. The one I have is a Duracell DRO 5943, but I think there are other makes.
E-M1 Mark II does not support power delivery. Please don't blow up the camera
@@robinwong You have two batteries and charge one with your powerbank and usb charger outside the camera, while using the other.
Great video, Robin! You crammed so much great information into a small time frame. Well done!
Got EM1mk2 and mk3, I had EM5mk3 for 3 months for test and Im really happy with any camera :D
Em1 mark ll for myself. It just fits better in my hand and balances better with bigger lenses.
I have them both and also the epl9, both cameras are great and fit for different scene.
I don't have either of these cameras yet. I'm interested in both of them. My next camera will certainly be some of the many OM-D models. But I'm not in a hurry to get one. I'm now using Pen E-PL8.
I use EPL9. Absolutely sufficient...
Hi I have the epl8 and the 5 mkiii but find myself grabbing the epl8 for convenience when shooting the grandchildren. Although I have several primes and various kit lenses I keep the 17 mm 2.8 on the epl8 and find it to be a great combination. The 5 mkiii however is capable of brilliant images
Hi, Robin - I am one of your many thousands of giant fans - THANKS for this video!
I am now looking into either of these cameras just to get better autofocus and battery life than my otherwise wonderful M5 Mark II. My biggest question is compatibilty with flashes and lenses I already have for real estate shooting. ALL of my equipment is matched to the M5 Mark II - everything from flashes and remote triggers, to microphones. My main lenses I know will will work (favorite is the 7-14 M Zuiko Pro tele, by far), but I'm worried about my Godox flashes and other stuff. Do you think staying with M5 (moving to M3) line is wise, or can I use the M1 Mark II (I prefer mainly because of great battery life) with my stuff?
YOU are the BEST!!!
If they give Om-log to the Em5 Mark III I will definitely buy one as my b roll camera besides my Em1 mark III...
Precise comparison Robin. Well done !
In the end I chose the Em5 Mark 3 with 12-45 pro. They are too close in features however with the BT and lighter body on the EM5 M3 it ended up making more sense.
[I do landscape - cityscape photography:]
The EM1- mkII is the work horse by excellence.
A very useful and interesting comparison, Robin. I have two E-M 5 Mk ll which I'll be looking to replace sometime, and now have a better idea of my next move. Thank you!
Wonderful! I own both the OM1 MII and the OM5 MIII and I needed advice on which to take travelling and bushwalking. It will be the OM5 MIII with a prime 17mm Zuiko lens and I know I can be confident about the decision. Thank you, Robin.
Hi,
I was forced to make the same decission at the end of 2019.
My EM5 was stolen and I needed to buy a new camera. By the time I made my decision, there was another contender, the Panasonic G9. Slightly larger in hands, and the fact that it lacks phase-detection AF (I couldn't use my old 4/3 lenses on it if I wanted to) put me off this option, so the decision was between the two Olys.
Same price point, and a slightly more capababilities for the EM1 MK II over EM5 MK III ( I only use continous shooting in a limited range of situations) , and its size is more balanced for 12-40mm 2.8 and 40-150 2.8, lenses I was in love with ( I remember beeing unconfortable using my old EM5 with 12-40mm 2.8 and much worst for 40-150mm). If the new 12-45mm and 40-150mm have been availabe at a lower price that the kit I ultimately bought, I am not sure what decission I would have made.
I am very satisfied with my M1MkII but I miss HR handheld, and Live ND modes of the succesor MI MKIII.
Best Regards
I needed this comparison for the em5 mk3 vs the em1 MK3
Great review! Very helpful comparison! Great biceps too!
Thank you for the positive video. The heaviness of choice still remained. In case of insufficient lighting, are their capabilities equal? I don't want to buy a full frame for one shoot. But I need to videotape the Northern Lights.
Got the EM-5III.. for price that was hard to resist :D Should be nice upgrade from EPL-6 and maybe even rival my main Pentax K3 for some tasks.. we will see. :D
upgrade from em10mk3 to a well used em1 mk2 mainly for the improved AF system.
Great video Robin!
I have the E-M5 II as my daily camera and I love how compact it is, how beautiful it looks, and how well it handles with my favourite 75mm f/1.8
I owned the E-M1 II for a while and loved it, it's so capable for how small it is. I've since upgraded to the E-M1X because my favourite photography is of birds, so I love the integrated vertical grip and the extra balance for my 100-400mm. I still sometimes miss the beautiful ergonomics and compactness of the E-M1 II with my 12-100mm PRO.
Right now, the EM5 Mark III and EM1 Mark III cost the same used, I originally got the EM5, but I like using a 12-40 f2.8 as my main lens and found that I would've liked a little extra grip. At that point I was better off just returning it and getting the EM1 instead, its slightly bigger and heavier, but it has more features and better overall performance.
Have a Sony a7iv and recently picked up a E-M5 mk3 because of the small size and power, loll. Should be here in a few days
God job Robin. I own OMD EM1 Mark III.
I love you video about olympus. I am surprised how good the olympus cameras are. I am looking at lumix camera as i love its form factor plus its lenses. I love to shoot video more than taking photos. From your video i am eyeing EM5 iii.. looks Cute. Maybe i will learn more about m4/3 art from your video. Thank you sir
I have first gen of both. Haven't decided an upgrade yet bot noticed that EM1 mk Ii and Lumix G9 are similar price now. Might go with EM5 mk Ii since I am not shooting pro stuff but mostly outdoors pics. Thanks for more good info.
I'm not a pro by any stretch of the imagination, but I do love the Olympus Pro series lenses. While the 12-45/4 balances well on the E-M5 III, the other Pro lenses are a bit unbalanced without the add on grip. Turns out with the grip attached I can't change my little Pez sized batteries, and, this is a big one, with the grip, The E-M5 III is only 39gm lighter than the E-M1 II. So I guess if you're ok with the little kit zooms and the f1.8 primes, the E-M5 is a good fit, but otherwise, personally, the trade off just isn't worth it. YMMV
Thanks!
Thanks, appreciate that a lot.
Good and thanks for your notes.
My dream camera the em5
Hi Robin, I think you might have forgotten to mention the lack of 3.5mm headphone jack and weight difference. Good video.
Appreciated your hard work and video always.
That’s nice video whether should I take.
3:25 OMD cameras not to be used as offensive weapons, kids!🤣😅😂
I think you could still use the E-M5 mark III as a webcam, as it has an HDMI output, just not with Olympus webcam software, but with something like elgato camlink? Is this correct?
Yes I believe so. You have to set the mode to HDMI Record mode. You can only put out 1080p video, not 4K or C4K (page 146). Unlike normal video record on the Olympus cameras, HDMI record mode does not have a 30 minute time limit (other than the battery). Of course if you are going to be using the camera for some time as a web camera, you will need to use a dummy battery and externally power the camera.
Great 'versus' video. I already have the EM5 MK2, which more than suffices as a casual camera (especially when paired with the 12-40mm PRO lens - which practically lives on the camera permanently!). They're getting harder to get hold of now, but I really hope I can get hold of an EM1 MK2 asap before they're discontinued - that's always been my goal, to have the EM1 MK2 as my professional camera body. I really do not need any more than what it will deliver. But, Robin - where can I get the same lanyard you have there on your EM1 ?
I think the only answer is to own both.😉
I do love the EM5iii though because if I want to keep it small and light I can, and if I want to use bigger lenses I can add the extra grip (which is actually really nicely made).
And yes it is the best looking OMD of all time.😍 Almost as sexy as my OM-1.
The only disappointing thing about that grip is you can't change batteries with it on. Which is a bummer considering the battery life. It is supremely comfortable, though... if not quite as comfortable as the e-m1.
@@matt_mkv agreed. I wish they had made a proper battery grip for it.