Sardonicast 67: A Fistful of Dollars, For A Few Dollars More, The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
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- čas přidán 9. 06. 2024
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Timestamps by christian larson:
0:00 - Intro
1:00 - Damian Chazelle's Apple Commercial
14:15: The Man With No Name Trilogy
28:11: A Fistful of Dollars
41:23: For a Few Dollars More
58:16: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
1:26:20: Q&A
1:26:53: Is / ralphthemoviemaker working on any projects right now, either film or otherwise?
1:27:48: How much raw audio do you normally record for the podcast, what percent of the conversation is included?
1:29:13: There was an episode a while back where you guys said you would consider having a viewer recommendation. How would go about choosing what that film would be?
1:31:47: Who was the worst teacher you’ve ever had?
1:45:08: What is the best meme to come from a movie?
1:49:47: Thoughts on the David Lynch CZcams channel
Alex recommends The Guest (2014) - Zábava
0:00 - Intro
1:00 - Damian Chazelle's Apple Commercial
14:15: The Man With No Name Trilogy
28:11: A Fistful of Dollars
41:23: For a Few Dollars More
58:16: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
1:26:20: Q&A
1:26:53: Is czcams.com/users/ralphthemoviemaker working on any projects right now, either film or otherwise?
1:27:48: How much raw audio do you normally record for the podcast, what percent of the conversation is included?
1:29:13: There was an episode a while back where you guys said you would consider having a viewer recommendation. How would go about choosing what that film would be?
1:31:47: Who was the worst teacher you’ve ever had?
1:45:08: What is the best meme to come from a movie?
1:49:47: Thoughts on the David Lynch CZcams channel
Alex recommends The Guest (2014)
You're a saint
Thanks man
Thank you!
*worst teacher
Thanks
When Alex was asking where everyone first heard the Good Bad Ugly theme, he was definitely fishing for Madagascar 2
Couldn't have been more obvious
One aspect of Spaghetti Westerns that I don’t see people mention is the cultural resonance for Italy - and within Italian culture - at the time the films were made. It’s often said that westerns were cheap to make for Italian filmmakers and had been hot at the time but I think there’s more to it than just that and while Spaghetti Westerns are credited with helping to usher in a reassessment of the American West I feel this was largely unintentional on the part of the filmmakers, and they were rather trying to use the American West as an allegory for Italy.
This is especially prevalent in the third of the Dollars films and in the work of Sergio Corbucci - including The Great Silence (which is the chief visual inspiration for the Hateful Eight and is a film these guys should probably watch at some point). From 1943 to 1945, Italy essentially fought a civil war within the larger context of the Second World War and this left deep political and social rifts that reverberated throughout the rest of the 20th century. In a contentious political climate, the American West seems familiar enough for the subject matter to be understood and connected at a glance but distant enough to insulate the filmmakers and appeal to a wider audience.
The American West likewise happened in the shadow of a painful civil war that saw a largely agrarian South vs the more populated, industrialized North (as happened in Italy) likewise featured political and social tensions which were held over from said civil war - and even though the political issues surrounding the wars differed, the superficial similarities could be combined with visual hallmarks which would not seem unfamiliar to Italians at the time - at least in terms of folklore. The bandits and rebels of the Mexican-American border regions seem akin the long history of brigandage and banditry in Southern Italy after the formation of the modern state, and the partisans later on - and the shorter period of criminality following them - contribute to the imagery of men in the dusty south brandishing revolvers and shotguns.
The Spaghetti Western is not just the rough approximation of the American Western and its visual elements, but rather the affirmation of the parallels that exist within the histories of the two countries on a visual and thematic level - if you run an image search of Giuseppe Garibaldi (considered one of Italy’s founding fathers) one of the first images you’ll see is likely one of him wearing a rather familiar piece of clothing - a serape or poncho, which he started wearing during his time fighting in South American independence movements and eventually continued wearing during his time fighting for Italian unification.
By starting with the most immediately-evident visual similarities, makers of Spaghetti Westerns could say things within the American west or civil war setting and have the messaging be mutually intelligible to both an Italian and American audience (and also perhaps a Spanish one, given the history there as well but that’s a different essay for a different day) in a way that at its most subtle may seems almost subliminal. It wasn’t just the financial expediency of westerns in the Southern European geography - but the ability to use this economic/industry window to present cultural similarities and give commentary on domestic matters that would otherwise be problematic in both a social and financial sense.
The reason these filmmakers could get away with having actors speaking different languages and dubbing everything over in post is because the use of mutually-resonant iconography did so much of the heavy lifting in pushing past linguistic boundaries, it was both talent and fortune for things to have turned out that way. Talent for multiple filmmakers to utilize the geography, iconography, and visual folklore in that fashion and fortune for all of that history to have happened in such a way as to have provided the tools for them to use in the first place and the economic factors that allowed them the space to put it all together and actually sell it. It’s a perfect storm in that respect.
I’m a history nut more than a cinema nut, and that’s why I appreciate Spaghetti Westerns so much - the amount of factors and events and parallels that went into creating a sub-genre of often really goofy or simplistic “dad movies” gives them renewed historical significance for me beyond just their cinematic value.
Also bullets really sounded like that at one point. The cartoony whizz-bang and whining sounds are due in part to differences in velocity and manufacturing standards between firearms back then and firearms today, though the sounds in Westerns of the 20th century are rough recreations those sounds do have a basis in reality.
56 years running, movie baddies are still the same, not heeding Tuco's advice: "If you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk!".
Tuco is a true visionary
Fun fact, this was never in the script, once Eli Wallach said this, everybody in the crew laughed
Adam coming forward about something and getting kicked out of the school play as punishment by the principal and then dropping out of school is like the exact ending of The Shawshank Redemption
Morgan Freeman - "Adam was a tall, retarded glass of water"
When are you having Doug Walker guest on the show?
Lol
Ralph would shit a brick
Should’ve had him on “the wall” episode
Really Good and Kind hahahaha
Imagine inviting the guy when the recommended film is The Wall
The main character has a different name in all the films because Sergio Leone didn't want the movies to be considered a trilogy
Too late for that
The dollars trilogy was what got my dad to immigrate to Canada.
When he was a dumb teenager he saw that movie and fell in love with what he thought was Mexico from watching these movies. His brothers and cousins decided to try to immigrate to Mexico because of them. But ended up heading to Calgary Alberta instead. Made his way to Toronto and settled there by 76
He had a 50/50 chance of landing on Mexico.
Wut?
@@dirrdevil I, too, feel like this story deserved a little more explanation. lol
So confused
@@dirrdevil thought those movies were filmed in Mexico where they are supposed to take place instead of Italy and Spain where they were actually filmed.
Instead of that they settled on Calgary Alberta.
Not sure what's so confusing.
It's unrealistic the Fistful villain never once tried aiming for Eastwood's head, but they DO set it up that the villain always goes for the heart, so it works within the heightened tone.
I dunno man, after the first few shots at the heart you don't think he would've given up and aimed for the head?
@@RossStern I said it's unrealistic. Whadda you want from me? I'm just willing to roll with the logic of the film. The guy ALWAYS aims for the heart and wasn't expecting Clint to have invented the bullet proof vest. He's clearly completely mindfucked by what he's seeing, I think he's probably assuming he's just missing the heart and losing his shit watching a guy get up no matter how many bullets he puts in his chest.
I agree its a dumb thing to fixate on. He's clearly rattled by the confidence of Eastwood as he goads him into finishing the job the 'right' way from the villain’s perspective.
Ok, there’s actually an interesting reason this could’ve happened. Basically, people didn’t start associating headshots with instant death until JFK was assassinated.
@@maxvetter1336 what about Lincoln
1. After A few dollars more and TGTBTU i had the themes stuck in my head. I cant say the same for Fistfull.
2. Lee and Clint shooting each others hat was a game between to skilled gunslingers. Mortimer allowed Manco to keep shooting the hat as a display of patience with a younger inexperienced kid.
3. i was shiting myself when i thought Blondie would leave Tuco. On your first watch the relief you might feel is exhilarating because of how well their relationship was built.
I was gonna say the same thing about the themes, I completely forgot what Fistfull sounded like.
YOU SON OF A WAWAWAWAAAA
You guys are finally talking about The Good the Bad and the Ugly my favorite movie of all time
Mine too.
someone should make a vertical cinema parody where everything is just jumpscares that come from 1cm off screen and the character can never see ahead of his narrow aspect ratio
Heyyyy, that's me art in the third shot of the intro.
That’s cool bro!
"The Good, the Bad and the Chunky" is genius
What do you mean?
@@charliekill88 i think he means thats his art in the thrid shot of the intro 😂
Film recommendation: The Cat in the Hat
NeverSaySandwich1 Cinematic masterpiece👌
From the cinematographer behind Children of Men, Birdman and The Revenant... The Cat in the Hat!
Best recommendation of all time.
Dewit
No one ever talks about Sergio Leone's last western, A Fistful of Dynamite aka Duck, You Sucker.
i dont know why but i just remember the train explosion scene
Great western send off film for him. Love Coburn and Steiger in it.
Might actually be my favorite, though it might be a biased pick since I grew up with the Dollars trilogy and had no idea until I was older that he made another western so it was such a wonderful surprise. Like finding a hundo in the couch.
@@fuzzydunlop7928 The best one is obviously TGTBTG
"monolith shaped screen" oh dude they should do a remake of 2001 in vertical aspect ratio
Don't give Hollywood ideas
It’s pretty funny how the term ‘spaghetti western’ was used as a pejorative at the time, but now these films are generally held in higher regarded than their American counterparts.
Why didn't Ralph say his channel link how am I supposed to find him now
Ralph.io
There's a market for vertical cinema. It's the elevator.
I *_GET IT_*
Next we'll film it but through a glory hole.
I see Leone's Dollars trilogy as a series of stage play-like movies where actors are reused. Tarantino even does this in some of his films with Sam Jackson, Leo and Christoph. The man with no names characterization makes sense if you think of the third movie as a prequel to the first two i honestly couldn't tell they were supposed to be different people.
When ever I think "it's been a while since the last sardonicast" and I check back and always uploaded like 1 hour before I check
I think it works best as a reverse trilogy. the other two are after the civil war with blondie learning how to be a better dueler and finding his poncho at the end of The Good The Bad and The Ugly.
To be fair they never establish that they occur linearly. Or that Clint is even the same man in each.
@@seanbeadles7421 yeah they were pretty fluid with any kind of cannon in the 60s Spanish movie scene
Man I was watching the Sardonicast from when Enrio died and one of the top comments was about making this trilogy on sardonicast and I thought. man that would be awesome. That was yesterday lol. So glad they did this
The episode started playing and I had to run out of the room. I came back in to Rest in Peace David Lynch...
Rest in Peace, Ennio Morricone, thank you for making one of the best scores ever made
Why is Ralph always chuckling so much? It comes off like he's the little brother in this situation and he's trying to look cool in front of his older brothers.
but he doesn't when he's supposed to
like in the intro. did either of them not see the kimba video?
i see this comment a few times now, here and there
... ralph laughing a bit is...... mildly annoying.. but not a big deal
is this some sardonicast inside joke im missing....
like, is this supposed to be alfred
@@kwazhims3lf It’s weird, Ralph has always seemed downright reserved to me during these podcasts.
Great way to start the day - with Kimba memes.
A Fistful of Dollars is basically a copy of Yojimbo. Personally, my favorite film from the Dollars trilogy is For a Few Dollars More. Imo, Leone's best western is Once Upon a Time in the West.
Last comment i swear but its endearing how Adum sneaks comparisons of Death Note into every discussion.
It's called the Dollars Trilogy, but I'm glad you liked them as much as me :D
@Luigi Nastro It is? Seems a bit long lol. Guess you learn something new everyday after all.
Considering For a Few Dollars More to be the weakest of the three...? That's new.
Also, Adam, no music is re-used between the films.
Fistful would be my weakest... For A Few Dollars More might be my favourite. It's real neck and neck with The Good The Bad and The Ugly though.
Hell yeah. Vintage Clint. Fistful of Yojimbo!
"See, my mule don't like people laughin'...he gets the crazy idea you're laughin' at HIM!"
We need Adam to spend 3000 minutes (not including editing) to compare Yojimbo to Fistful of Dollars and put out a 2 hour plus video about it.
Thank you so much for getting me through my low class job, you three.
I dunno man if John Waters directed a western I would be pretty curious
a western by john waters, i'd want to see it
he intrigues me, i think he'd be a cool guy to meet. but another reserved part of me wonders, if i actually met him, within a couple minutes i'd hate his guts.... just a feeling
Yeah out bois are back.. I love Sardonicast. We defo need Sardonicast to bring up our spirits. Thank You.
If you guys liked the Dollars Trilogy, you should watch Once Upon A Time In America, Sergio Leone's final film. Starring Robert De Niro and James Woods as Jewish mobsters during the Prohibition Era. Ralph gave it 5 stars and for good reason. It's an amazing film.
I just watched recently. I'm not a big fan of his. But it was really good. Except for that ending.
Glad you covered these movies because over quarantine I watched tons of Westerns, including the Clint Eastwood Man with No Name classics. Spaghetti westerns are always very good, very gritty representations of old Western life. In the Good, the bad and the ugly Civil war scene with the amazing somber soundtrack accompanying it, that was probably one of my favorite scenes in any movie. God bless Morricone and his musical talent.
OOOOOMMMMGGGG this podcast guys, these movies are my all, thank you so much!!!
I love how after the whole Kimba debacle Adam seems to be really careful about doing a bunch of research before claiming a movie plagiarized another just based on what is "common knowledge".
YOU'RE USING CLIPS FROM THE '97 MOVIE!
Just finished watching "The Guest" - cannot wait for the discussion.....
Wow an entire episode just to talk about Damien Chazelle’s Apple commercial (the timestamps are messed up)
I’m a tall ass long haired white dude and I did have a similar experience in middle school of all the teachers being “out to get me” for literally no reason. 1:34:30
Same same same
prepubescent paranoid insecurity -- stems from insecurity & self obsession
Forever my favorite "trilogy", regardless of all the technical baggage. I have endless fun trying to piece together a head cannon narrative through the 3 films as if they are connected. Perfect camp, perfect music, the right amount of nostalgia and seriousness.
That's a spicy video, 16 ads. Congrats
Please, please, please talk about The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford (2007) by Andrew Dominik. It really deserves to be talk about.
oh man, he shot nick cave
@@4besideyouintime hope he's okay.
Adam said he thought it was good but felt it was too long I think he gave it a 7/10
@@Brandon-rb4sm Wait, till he sees himself and it would be 10/10. 😅
You guys should talk about Muholland Dr
I can't wait for the back and forth for The Guest, it's one of the only movies I have seen that has a character we never see but only reference that has my first name.
Yess I love the Dollar Trilogy!
So glad there talking about The Guest on the next episode,coincidentally I watch that movie for the first time a few days ago.
Adam, you’re in for a treat when Kanye West opens up JesusTok...
Love this trilogy! Especially For A Few Dollars More (which I think is really underrated) and GBU (legendary tier film). I honestly feel like the finale to GBU is the best piece of cinema ever made.
The finale to GBU is the best piece of cinema I have ever seen and I have seen a lot from all over the world and across every era, still a lot left though but I find it hard to imagine topping a prolonged 23 minute sequence that amazing, most great movie scenes aren't half that length and it maintains it's greatest all the way through the 20 minutes.
Adam Winguard's "The Guest" is on Netflix for those who want to watch it. It's fun. Still think the director's best film is the exceptional "You're Next", but "The Guest" is still a really good time if you're digging through a stack of thrillers on streaming, looking for what to watch.
You're Next is one of my favorite movies. Such a clever, nasty black comedy. My friends watched it and thought it was bad until they realized it's purposely funny.
Thank you Ralph for recommending this trilogy, beacause i have found myself a new celebrity crush which is Lee Van Cleef and its kinda creepy because he's dead
Besides that i enjoy the movies
Will you guys please review Time Bandits, Brazil, and The Adventures of Baron Munchausen? They’re part of Terry Gilliams “Trilogy of Imagination” and are some of my favorites.
David lynch is doing the weather report for the L.A. radio station's KCRW morning music show. Honestly i love getting my daily Lynch report on the radio
For a few dollars more is my personal favorite of the three but they are all terrific !
loved the intro
I got a shout out in the beginning of the apple conversation!!
"The shooting the hat scene seemed so goofy. Like, how he went for the hat over and over again. What were they going for?"
I don't know, but it was so obvious, how could you have missed that? It was established that Lee VaCleef's character was a thinker, a smart tactician. He would never rely on luck or act irrationally. So, Lee VanCleef's character was checking Clin't character out. Measuring the distance at which he can't aim properly anymore. And with his gadgets, he then has the upper hand. In a real gun fight he would have been killed, so he made it into a d*ck measuring contest. That was a pretty slick tactic to get to determine that kind of thing. You could argue about the execution of that scene, but I didn't find it goofy at all rather than clever, highly original and thrilling.
The added prison scene reminds me of the court moralizing scene they added to the 30s Scarface (they also subtitled it "Shame of a Nation.")
I'd love for y'all to do TWIN PEAKS: THE RETURN for a sardonicast episode.
Not sure how y'all would react. I love it, and most ppl who have seen all of it seem to think it's one of the great cinematic achievements of the century. But I have a sneaking suspicion that y'all (and Adam in particular) will not like it. It'd be an interesting convo to hear. (Do watch FIRE WALK WITH ME before tho)
I feel to enjoy the return you should definitely watch the OG show first, it will really Improve the experience
Whats so good about twin peaks
A Person you remind me of a small Mexican chiwawaha
YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES
@@aperson7303 It's like if Lost merged with the X-Files and then got cancelled before it sucked and then got brought back two decades later even better.
Have you’ve seen King Candy?
David Lynch has been doing weather reports for like 15 years.
It's ridiculous how much of this trilogy's identity comes from Ennio Morricone alone.
It's essential but I think that undermines the great and memorable performances by guys like Eastwood, Van Cleef, Wallach and Kinski as well as the intelligent and funny writing. That's without considering Leone himself who was already a good director by the first one and definitely by the second was an absolute master of his craft. Morricone was an essential pillar of the trilogy but it was really two absolute masters that complimented each other perfectly and improved with each collaboration. Their work together from Fistful to Once upon a time in America is a body of work that reached heights neither could have made separately and we're lucky to have.
Much better than last weeks episode
Honestly, I hope one of your future episodes is entirely unedited, so we can see what that's like
Ralph has the cutest laugh
This was a great one
The theatrical cut for The Good, The Bad and The Ugly is 2 hours and 35 minutes. The extended is 3 hours.
You know how when you are a little brat you find everything you watch either boring or fun? When I was that young I could watch anything and everything without much thought given and the first time I ever thought "Man, this is a great movie!" was when I was 13 and I saw The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. I never rewatched it since and I dont remember anything about it at all, but I remember having that thought clearly. I will have to watch it again, but I am kind of scared that it wont live up to this pedestal I have placed it on so I keep postponing it.
Was there always this many ads on this podcast?
Just a heads up for everyone! The Guest is available on Netflix rn.
I thought the Chazelle commercial was pretty creative
Let's get cosmonaut Marcus on the podcast. He said he would love to be a guest but is too shy to ask!
Dew it
Nah get Schafrillas instead
@@ThePPQQ1 Nah
Why not both eventually
I would love to hear an episode with Lindsay Ellis as a guest
Yes, please.
Dear God yes lol
@Eaxl why?
@Eaxl ?
ellis
cancer lady... why
so she can have adam, ralph, and alex me too'd
ellis needs to go away, and her politics, and her ideology. saw a request for doug too... why? the sun has set on channel awesome producers.... the only one i want to hear from now is Larry.... or that other british one they always fucked over... mike? cant remember his name... underappreciated that guy
On 'the sound' of the films. Yes, Ennio Morricone basically invented that sound from the ground up. And somehow it became ubiquitous to what we equate with westerns now. But prior to that it was almost always that wide open orchestral 'Aaron Copland'-like sound.
I love these movies.
Disappointed you guys didn't recognize the final duel at the end of a few dollars more as the greatest duel of all time
great episode
3 2½ hour music videos.
Angel Eyes at the breakfast table is one of my favorite scenes in cinema.
Van Cleef is the perfect rival for Clint, and a great counter to Dirty Harry's Scorpio as an opponent to Eastwood's demeanor.
Vertical cinema just reminds me of that David Lynch on iPhone video
Edit: Adam too
It's like the characters is more of a legend than a person.
I'm with Ralph. I've actually been very lucky with my teachers, only a few mean or less competent ones in college
Oh, I also had all bad teachers when I went to Morningside Elementary. Even the principal hated me. I actually had to transfer in the middle of my 2nd grade year it was so bad
I'm actually trying to imagine school without the teachers being unnecessarily cunts, having breakdowns during class, soliciting students or just generally being a shit show. I can't imagine it not being a thing.
all these movies are fantastic, soundtracks even more so
In the Apple ad I actually got into the story of the sad stuntman, but I agree it wouldn've felt better, I think, in a different ratio.
You had a question about memes and nobody mentioned the Star Wars prequels?
SOOOOOOOOO many memes from those and they're all good.
Impossible. Perhaps the archives are incomplete.
@@lordoffrogs6786 That's epic, my guy. I'll watch your career with great interest.
You guys should do one of Satoshi Kon's works
All classics 👌
This episode seemed like it had a lot more ads than usual. Can't fault the boys for making money but it seemed like I was getting beer commercials every 10-15 minutes.
The marketing made me think Quibi was some sort of money-saving app.
The only good vertical film I’ve seen is a German short film called “Unum” by David Gesselbauer and Michael Lange. Wasn’t shot on iPhone tho. Just a RED turned sideways lol. For real tho it actually makes the most out of that ratio and uses it for a specific artistic purpose. Would def recommend it. It’s on CZcams.
Thanks for recommending that, just watched it now and enjoyed - really well shot 😊
About the For a Fisfull of Dollars/Yojimbo controversy, it's actually kinda complex, and a similar video on that like the Kimba/Lion King would be fantastic
For what i know, Leone loved Yojimbo, and he wanted to make a similar movie but set in the west. He actually tried to get the rights to do it, but his producers thought the movie would be a niche product and would go under the radar (this was only his second movie and a "cheap" version of the tired genre of westerns). But at the end the movie became a big hit in Italy
Why do you call "Morricone" "Marconi"?
Macaroni and cheese
Getting people to say that name was popular prank here , since it translates the English as " hit me with your elbow"
@@munjee2 What? ...Are you saying that in english Morricone means hit me with your elbow? Or is it something specific to your country?
@@HAL_NOVEMILA specifically here , not in Italian lol
I think he’s confusing the famous composer for the famous innovator of communications technology. Both are names one in the US would hear in passing and potentially mix up if uninformed of the distinction, they’re important enough here to have heard them before - but not necessarily know enough to differentiate.
Coincidentally enough, I grew up in a mostly Italian neighborhood and spend the majority of my time still around folks of Italian heritage and extraction, so even though I’m a local it still feels foreign trying to remember really Anglo names. Like, if your name is William Jim-Smith Evans or some other medigan sounding name there’s a good 75% chance I wont remember your name and I’ll prolly get you mixed up with a Samuel Williamson. It all just sounds the same to me.
If your name don’t end in an A, E, I, or O, you can bet that it’s one I wont know.
Love that trilogy, specially For a Few Dollars More
Good morning sardonicast
I was going to ask them about the david lynch chanel but someone did it before me nice
Goddamn em' midroll ads. Get your coins
I hate that the new seasons of Reno 911 are on this stupid app. Admittedly, there's a good idea with how you could hold your phone in vertical mode during certain scenes and catch the scenes in a different view, but there's nothing else on that app that catches my attention and I'm hoping the new Reno 911 episodes pop up elsewhere
i genuinely liked the damien chazelle apple ad. no doubt it's a gimmick, and i don't think 'vertical cinema' is about to take off, but it's fun little experiment. i think you boys took it a little bit too seriously to be honest.