KILL OR GET KILLED Colonel Rex Applegate Point Shooting Instructional Film --- GCT TV/US Army
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GCT TV--Colonel Rex Applegate's KILL OR GET KILLED point shooting form is taught in this War Department/US Army training film from WWII. Read the corresponding shooting article here:
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Those .45 tracer rounds are pretty freaking cool.
Interesting to note that back in the 80's I helped to redo the Marine Corps combat pistol course and yet we maintained about all the fundamentals that are covered here.
draw and point, don't aim with one eye closed. Pull the trigger twice pointing at center body mass. that's the first 3-5 seconds of any gunfight and those are the seconds that count.
At 4:40 , they did not have safety rules, point the gun with finger on the trigger at the instructor.
The tea cup was basically a baby step....or adult stagger towards the most recent iteration of gripping a handgun.
the old tea cup and saucer hold for pistols works also like that of the modern wrap-around grip. It works before. It may be old style but it works also. Even the technique in one hand shooting is not in accord with the modern way because the weak hand is hanging low and not clipped to the breast as they do today. On the other hand, the old one hand shooting, me think, is more realistic as it simulates reality when your other arm is badly injured so you can not clip it at the breast to do the modern way of one hand shooting technique. If you intend to shoot one hand, practice clipping your other arm at the breast; but if you simulates an injured arm that you are force to shoot one hand, practice one hand shooting with your other arm hanging low.
I think that you are making it too complicated. The one handed firing fundamentals are what you are working on, not off hand duties. There are several reasons to fire one handed with injured being one of them, but more likely you may be holding something you can't put down, steering, illuminating your target, or close in point shooting. Having your hand pinned to your chest is a way to keep all of your students on the same page as to what to do with their hands.
During WWII and prior to D-day what we know as the Weaver stance and two handed technique was taught to special ops teams who were dropped into France prior to the actual invasion.
Sarah Watson Pacific Beach Jumpers and S.A.C.O "Weather Observers" too.
Achille Belanger I got this info from the 2008 Special Forces Annual-page 67. What is shown is exactly like a modern training class at a police or civilian self defense course. Correct two handed hold, 45 degree low ready and perfect “Weaver” stance are all shown. Nothing is new under the sun!
The instructor looks like Colonel Jeff Cooper, noted firearms expert.
This is interesting. I think the grips and the movemenrs have improved since this was made. The safety is a bit lax here as well.
@3:30- “safety is strictly adhered to. the first thing you do is, all five of you muzzle your instructor at the same time”
Tactical Ant It was called "Balls" back then.
@@achillebelanger989 what's it called now? I still see people doing it!
Sheesh no muzzle discipline.
Nothing "balls-y" about being unsafe.
Caught that too it was like sirens going off with that and the finger disapline
They need to teach the army infantry like this again...i see soldiers not even able to hold the new m17 pistol properly
Funny how things have evolved. I guess back then there was no rule one and two of firearms safety. Got to get me some of those tracers though.
Me to!
Tracers are great for starting fires. They are banned at all our ranges as are exploding targets. But they are neat to watch.
There are non-incendiary tracer bullets available for reloaded now. I forget who makes them, though.
The old "Cup N Saucer" grip. A No No today.
Not if it works for you
Important to always keep your finger on the trigger...got it. Thanks.
Well your in a war zone not Your home town . Seconds count . Whoever hits the first shot wins hands should always be on the triggger
interesting how grip style has evolved, they used the teacup grip in ww2 today it's the fingers wrapped filling the gaps. i say use what works for you.
Cup 'n' Saucer is superior to the "modern" Jeff Cooper technique. The Cooper counter pressure grip is conducive to jamming as is limp writing. The 1 1911 was designed, as Col. Charles Askins Jr. used to say, "One handed, the hand as high as possible on the grip, with a grip that would crush granite". JMB took this into account when he designed it. Operating the 1911, as originally mil-spec designed, with mil-spec HARDBALL ammunition, will eliminate about 90+% of all the malfunctions suffered today with improper technique and tightly fitted guns of today. The reason the 1911 SUCKS, is because for the last 75 years, people have been striving to make the 1911 into something it isn't. It is a short range ANTI-PERSONEL WEAPON. Period.
It seems to me that the teacup is advantageous in that it just provides support without altering the grip on the weapon. This would seem to make for more consistency between one and two handed.
1:03 This is gun safety!
excellent vid, no nonsense instruction, back when people didnt give a shit about politically correct and told you what you needed to know to survive. Real warriors.
what does political correctness have to do with this. It is an instructional video. Nothing controversial was said. It was just describing a method. Don't look for demons where there aren't any
Because so many shooting instructors today are politically correct. ROFLMAO. Drugs are bad dude.
Is he firing tracer rounds? This guy looks like he's shooting a Star Wars blaster.
might be the camera technology at the time?
Yes, Tracers were used as a training aid. It allowed instructors to see hits as they happened. Still used on occasion today.
Cletus Kasady Yup. .45 Caliber. I have some of my Father's.
answer is in the video.
Almost exactly how we were taught at Armor School in Ft. Knox in the 90's. I loved that Barretta 9mm. So easy to shoot and never jammed.
Yuck. Beretta too fat in grip. Jammed with just a dusting of sand.
It was a great weapon, they trained us in Security forces school in the U.S.M.C. in Virginia. Modern techniques are an evolution and improvement of the techniques in this film.
All good stuff but they start to show how dated the material at the 5:28 mark.
Cool video. I have the book under the same name. Interesting training that the WW2 generation went thru. They need to scrap the MCMAP and shitty army combatives back to the old stuff. Who in the hell wants to get into a wrestling match with an enemy combatant wearing body armor?
Anybody know how you can set up targets to turn like that?
As far as I know, they used men in the trenches in front of the target that would pull a small rope to pivot the targets.
Mathieu Fortin ☆ You are correct, in 1978, they had a berm with a trench behind. Men in the trench controlled the target with parachute suspension cord.
You can Google how to make turning targets with PVC. Rocking and pop-ups are not to difficult to DIY either. Try how to make idpa moving targets. There are plenty on Pinterest.
cup and saucer grip? strength of left or weak hand not utilized to hold pistol and reduce recoil. this grip is very outdated. of course before this one hand shooting was taught.
Fairbairn, Sykes, and Applegate focused on close (20 feet and under) quarter shooting, when time would be of the essence. They only recommended using the “weak” hand when distance to your opponent gave you a bit more time.
And IMO a good case could be made that it should be taught today. A handgun is most likely to be employed as a short range close quarters combat weapon. In those situations it is highly likely that the off hand will be needed for other things like fending off an opponent. It is also likely that full arm extension would be a bad idea as it affords the enemy too much opportunity to disarm or deflect your gun hand.
In such an environment it is an advantage for the long range technique to be as similar to the short range technique for consistency.
I am not so sure outdated necessarily means wrong.
Not outdated if it works for you.
They must be wrong because in the movies they hold the gun sideways and can climb up walls sideways?
Wow, it's amazing how antiquated many of these methods are. Today there are better options for CQB, but our politicians love to make those illegal, inaccessible or only available through registration to the citizens, who could use them to better protect themselves from criminals.
cannabis seed are tiny bombs.
They muzzle each other the whole video. #realmenmuzzle
Oh my, fingers on the trigger while pointed at the instructor.....breaks all 4 rules.
Hard to watch!
And tea cupping......We've come a long way, thank God!
True Hope My Father took this training and is in some of these films!
@@achillebelanger989 That very cool!!
What a treasure for you to have 💜
Used heavily in Vietnam with lieutenants. LOL
I would hazard to guess that there were fewer NDs then when people were training in earnest. When you determine that your pistol is unloaded and no one else handles it, it’s still unloaded. Applegate did reinforce double checking when practicing. If you read him or Fairbairn and Sykes, they taught finger lightly on the trigger to reduce time for hits.
Yeah thank God these idiots never fought in any real combat like todays keyboard commandos, gunshop experts and range nazis
This video is FULL OF SAFETY ERRORS
different times I guess
Those SAFETY STANDARDS weren't arrived at overnight. This was 80 years ago. You won't find modern safety procedures until the Vietnam War.
Before men became bitch made
Wars are also FULL of safety errors! :-)
Yeah lucky these clowns never saw real combat in a real war like today’s great generation