Winners and Losers after the New Banlist
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0:00 Intro
0:40 Snake-Eye
1:58 Rescue-ACE
2:13 Thunder Dragon
2:54 Orcust
3:22 Majespecter
3:48 Sky Striker
4:34 Hero
5:03 Tearlaments
5:55 Mannadium
6:47 Shifter Decks
7:29 Branded
8:20 Dragon Link
8:46 Swordsoul
9:16 Voiceless Voice
10:29 Centur-Ion
10:52 Spright
11:26 Labrynth
11:49 Purrely
12:46 Runick
14:12 Salamangreat
14:22 Vanquish Soul
14:35 Unchained - Hry
Runick still has their true boss monster in Blackbeard, the Plunder Patroll Captain. Who needs Barrone
as mbt said once, Blackbeard pass is an FTK
I see no lies here.
I cooked up blind 2nd plunder before the Banlist and it aged like a fine wine let me tell you.
Why did this make me laugh so hard
I can't wait to make Brann this format
The thing is, that Centur-ion are adding the "I can play with and under shifter" support and now you can add Calamity into the equation is just crazy.
calamity should've been banned imo
@@handlebar4520 linkuriboh was too big of a shakeup already ig
@@handlebar4520they want to sell the nu centurion supportss
@@handlebar4520 Yet Centurion players will say it shouldn't be for some reason
@@BlackBeartic229 Because it's the only thing the deck really does, there aren't enough good 12's for them do anything else impactful
This is a great video format to talk about the banlist!
Them adorable birds with predatory effects are flying high this format.
Are they? They feel like a small road bump in ladder these days.
@@PineapplePizzaBiS Shifter and featherstorm is stonger than ever. Plus with omni negates gone its easier for birds to break boards in engine now.
@@ehschargers6510 I can see it's matchup slightly improving against some decks for sure
One Last time before Minn C gets released
Plus they have a Omni negate with apex
Thanks Tyl0o for the timestamps! Really helps me keep track of which deck he's talking about.
Salads can play through Nibiru as long as they hold weasel until after they use it. Or they could just iblee lock 😁
For Runick, I’ve had a lot of fun summoning icejade gymir. It works great against snake eyes and rescue decks and even labyrinth. Could be a good alt. For barren
good shout, doesnt solve the nib problem though
What you using for that?
There being more interaction in FK Snake Eye isnt necessarily true because you could theoretically just make Apo and Hope Harbinger and essentially do what Pure Snake-Eye was doing before the list. Hope Harbinger is both s/t negation and battle protection.
you should definetly take a look at the new reptile pile. the bans didn't affect it, it has a favourable matchup to the meta (firekings basically insta lose to ragnaraika chain coils for example) and the deck also got a surprise new must play monster with the new tcg exclusive Haggard Lizardos who offers many things the deck was missing and ties the reptile core with the evol engine better together. the deck also play through nibiru like its nothing
Gotta start thinking of Chimera as its own engine, especially since it’s getting enough support in the next set that it’ll make sense to drop the branded engine.
I'm trying to get into the TCG and I have no clue what deck to try starting with in this format, especially with how expensive I find certain staples like S:P and Thrust are right now
Orcust runick striker sounds like neat concrpt. I personally use a 60 card scrap orcust with diabellestar, malicious, Armageddon, grepher, 20 darks and like 30 monsters with 3 allure and stuff like timr tearing morganite which enables playing through hand traps and weak endboards. If you domt count duabellstar cards and sp little night the deck is roughly 50 and 450 woth them. Plus running 2 saryuga, and 1 pot of avarice to recycle combos and draw likr if i had a malicious in hand
4:55 for hero the 3rd mali actually does alot to help against your board being nib. As it guarantees the hero player the ability to make plasma after they dpe pop wake up. Also hero hasn't suffered having their end board being nib since dpe.
One answer, nib + bystial
@@Jcrrjr one answer chain belle. To be honest the hand trap that actually stops hero is droll as they have add about 10 a turn.
I'm curious if dragon link doesn't shift towards using more Dragunities synchro heavy builds, or rank 8 builds using Horus, Chaos, and maybe even the new Galaxy Tachyon cards
Where would Yubel be on the list? I could see it in either on the unsure/unchained or getting a slight win with the deck having to deal with less negates
I'm excited for and have high hopes for centur-ion. Not even the ocg had access to both calamity and the new support plus they can totally play shifter now so yeah
The plus for lab ist that nibiru is gonna be a staple in every deck, and lab is the only one that can nibiru without leaving a token on the field or without triggering the snake eye field spell
im not gonna play lab in a fire king and branded format, thank you
I am purrely player and i can say that this banlist is HUGE help. You can now have 2 big noir with 5-7 mats or 1 big noir with 10 mats. Plus we have a lot of space for non engine so we can for example play 9 handtraps plus 6 boardbreakers
alright guy . . . .this is like the 5th videa of your's I've watched, I guess I'll sub
EB Runick going into herald of arc light + dragostapelia seems pretty good right about now :)
I would like to see erratas for Baronne and Savage to require some more archetypal material like at least 1 Rokket/Fleur monster
....Might be funny if Savage gets sprighted and requires dragon link monster as a tuner based on its link rating. Fleur can just cheat out the tuner if you play it with the rest of noble knights archetype
Not gonna happen unless the OCG decides it’s ban worthy first
If you’re playing a board breaker deck do you side hand traps for branded??
Btw how would you side against branded as you mentioned? cuz deck is just too crazy
Ice barrier runick will be a solid runick variant lol. Without baronne they can toad on the 5th summon or herald of arc light on the 3rd summon. (While still being able to do the usual draw 4 combo with the ice barrier engine.)
What do you guys think of now VS playing Protos? I was kinda juggling the idea of playing Eschatos already but now that Protos is back, I wonder
With how good Nibiru is now, Exosister is a HUGE loser of this banlist. Main combo sets up one monster and if you get left with the token it can genuinely be crippling. Sadly. :(
Carpedivem is a good card. Greedy Exo lists are what lose to Nib.
@@mulldrifterz6469 so what you're saying is see the out? I have enough consistency issues as it is 😂😂
Accel synchro can play under nib. Rev synchron is great too makes monster negate on 5
Gunna be squeezing a spright package into mannadium to get a monster negate before summon 5. Plus the non tuner bodies are good for climbing with your synchro tuners
God a list for that would be fucking dope
You are locked into level 2 tho
@@alessioitsuka675 any spright body plus a ball makes herald of the arc light. You can hold starter or gigantic or not play them. Red and carrot are just mini negates before the Omni + floodgate hits the field
Herald of the arc light also prevents droll with its floodgate effect if you can get to it before searching
What do you think about the new Galaxy/tachyon support
I’ve played traptrix since the structure deck came out and I’m going to keep on playing ‘em. I don’t go to regionals or YCSs, although I have in the past and they were fun, but locals is enough for me when I show up.
If Hero players simply are willing to pivot their deck to be more aggressive into going second the 3rd Mali is massive for winning going second. Given going first got a lot weaker for a lot of decks and heroes can easily put game on board two or three times into Nib through a couple of interruptions.
Real winners are plants. We can still make 2 omnis negates.
Same for centur-ions!
Traptrix still has rafflesia and gravedigger’s trap hole
which we destroy with Branded :) and droplet
no the real winners are reptiles, the bans don't effect them, the new raika link 4 single handidly shuts down fire kings and the meta in general is favourable to them and then there is also the new link 2 reptile that offers many things the deck was missing.
@@yasinblueberryY Bro I'm sorry but that negate trap still resolves...
is this tierlist tuesday
Marincess is a winner, because of Tidal.
You can use Tidal and 1 Marincess to send a water barrier statue to the graveyard. Then you can use Anemone to revive it and then go into marble rock to protect it from battle destruction. Besides, you can use a tidal as a extender to push bubble reefs atk or to use it as a bounce for argonaut.
It's funny because the ocg has been playing the omnis for a while and have still been rivaling fire king snake eye till the most recent bannlist hits
hey bro i would like to ask you which deck is really a s tier in yu-gi-oh master duel right now with the new ban list is it still fire king snake eyes best? or is it purelly? which one is really best between this 2? i hope you will answer me thank you
Fire king support isn’t in master duel so that version of snake eyes doesn’t exist lol
Although this is relatively small scale, around 50%-60% of the people at my locals last month played floo to play against snake eyes. I had one floo mirror and it took years off my life
Bro was in real life Birdemic
The pure SE version with omega loop 2 and Dispater/ Flamberge IP seems very strong
What about Traptrix? I barely touch YGO, but still like to keep up with everything.
Can't wait for us to get an Errata'ed version of Maxx "C" !!
Josh here gaming the tier list content
Runick bystial can still go into dragoon in
Malicious at 3 for Heros is gonna be nuts!!
I'm a Hero player so I'm Biased about it, but I do believe the deck will be better.
Now even if they nibiru us, we can make some kind of return play.
I've learned and am still learning way to play around nibiru and so far it works.
What do you think about thunder dragon?
As a branded player myself, I keep saying that branded can never be teir one for how many anti branded options that still exist despite the fact antispell fragrance being limited
I like this video style.
so this video hit me hard that sharvara is still hit and gods that sucks like for the future of a deck that i am absolutely hyped for.
My mannadiums are dead and idk what to do to bring them back tbh :(. Baronne is truly one of the hardest nerfs to this deck konami could have done...
Pure Snake-eyes is no longer a thing, without new innovation/support. It lost what edge it had over Fire King Snake-eyes.
What do you think of the adventure package for this format?
I think it has potential to be relevant again. Gryphon could be a way to replace Baronne in combo style decks
I think the uptick in Nib use is gonna be really exploitable in the coming YCS's for low to the ground decks that dont play into it and decks that can make Appo on summon 5
Salad doesn't even care about nib anymore. If you play a decent Salad list, you can just ignore nib and play through as if nothing happend
As long as you hold Weasel in hand until after they use it, otherwise your board is cooked.
@@dominickangelo4319"As long as you hold the weasel" yeah that's the point. If you play the deck bad of course your endboard is nib token
@@dominickangelo4319Do you have to use weasel at some point in the combo or can you just keep it in hand and still full combo?
@@dominickangelo4319 You don’t even need to full combo using weasel if you have other 2 engine pieces. Make wicckid first then just keep weasel in hand to turn your nib token back into an endboard if you need
@@quidlad2050 Depends on what you open with, but in many cases you can hold it and still end on Raging Phoenix w/search, princess in grave, roar and/or rage face-down as well.
Runick Generaider is the only variant running around with access to an Omni now, yes?
It's recyclable too, which is nice. The deck lost baronne but baronne wasn't really being made anymore iirc and losing baronne doesn't make the engine that could make it much worse in the deck besides dd sprite ig
(Most lists I've seen only care about making ib after she got unbanned too)
No there is still plants and voiceless running around
genuine question: does electrumite still deserve to be banned? its the only thing thats not free from the TOSS format killer banlist since colossus is now free
Raidraptor goes crazy rn. We love a board breaker format. And now we can colossus and or Protos as well with 2-3 4k towers
Yeah evenly does nothing we still have a tower
It's crazy how people think 5 summons mean you're playing a combo deck. It says a lot about the average level of yugioh players.
Its kind of crazy that ONE card like Nibiru can impact the whole format and be the difference between a meta deck and a rogue one
Tbh with Protos being unbanned, it's probably gonna be even harder for Vanquish to play agaisnt certain matchup. Now they just gonna get the stray shot of Protos calling Fire and there goes your Razen and Jialong
Runick White Woods can turbo out Calamity and Crystal Clear Wing Synchro. Baronne is not a big deal
Additional Delicious is actually massive. Pretty much guarantees noir and OTK consistency.
Surprised chimera (best deck btw) isn’t there? It still has preformed over 3 or 4 times at a regionals or ycs this past month or 2 also yes the deck can def play around nibiru and sometimes pluses off of it to 😂
Damn Josh I guess its been a while since you've played Salad 😅. You can play through Nib pretty easy these days
I have a question, isn't Nemeses Corridor going to be jammed into lot''s of decks?
1 Card Collossus going first is just beyond insane isn't it?
I've tested multiple lists and the requirement for having that 1 banished monster is met by almost every deck I tested as well.
Would love to hear your opinion on that
It's been a thing in both Masterduel, and OCG forever and sees 0 play. It is not good.
Any deck that can play sp can meet the requirement
But the decks that can play it have to already be highly consistent and get a banished card, so smth like mannadium which is basically a 3 card combo deck, lab that can't banish their own stuff or swoso who locks themselves into wyrms can't play it, just some examples
also if you dont play cupid you’re essentially wasting an ED slot because there’s no other way to search it.
also a meta that everyone is playing imperm + veiler your colossus isnt that good
@@B-slug veiler does nothing to colossus
As a hero player. I agree that the deck is basically unchanged with a 3rd mali. But when it comes to Nib we can play around better not but does depend on when someone nibs. For the most part we can usually play around nib since we have so many extenders
The extra body allows the typical combo to end on Plasma/Angel along DPE DarkLaw Neos Wingman without needing AHL opening. But this is super greedy anyway. The big buff is playing through Nib much better, as well as allowing you to stack your deck with Denier and then use Liquid since there was only 1 body missing for that combo to allow you to "cheat a search" for Plasma. Additionally HERO traditionally plays very well into removal but can struggle with negates which also remove like Baronne.
Salamangreat has been playing through nib since the new support dropped
Can’t runick just make crystal wing…? Even with Cupid pitch to add corridor
I just spent $250 to finish my mannadium deck the day before the new ban list hit to realize it just died.
HERO just remains the same, however, the deck is already playing "Nib aware" - generate as much material in hand/gy before commiting to end board. Oh, and board breakers are brutal for them.
Dark Hole destroys heros lol
@@SwagMaster824 not as much as it used to, since shining neos wingman (summoned by favorite contact) and dark angel lock is a thing.
I think he's underestimating thunder at minimum as an engine. It can do more than just make colossus
sky striker runick heavily benefits from this banlist list
Thunder Dragons 🐉 let’s go!!!
It has been a good run with Dragon Link o7.
Centurion also just has the ability to play a lot of ignorant cards that don’t hinder its gameplan at all, due to the support they’re getting, I understand this list is for post banlist(and for Raleigh and such) but especially after LEDE the deck benefits heavily from the state of the game
13:24 Hope the new lightsworn main deck cards are not to expensive wanna play it with runick
mill go brr
I think barrier is like the most evil floodgates it says no to your deck. I hope that shit get’s troughn into the trash nest banlist.
Truly a yugioh forbidden memories moment
Tierlist very good ❤️🔥👍
HERO doesn’t lose lose to nibiru often times but droll hurts HEROs quite a lot. I think the 3rd malicious does matter because you basically get an extra body that can help make a dark law or for plasma which is actually pretty important in the standard combo line. However, the deck will still be positioned about the same because the same issues with the deck are still the case.
I was builiding your eartboumd runick, after this banlist is totally fucked up? Any new tip for a runick deck
Without baronne
Ruinick Fur Hire Spright or Just Ruinick Spright. Spright is sitying good in this format and can even use colossus
Cupid into corridor is good
runick orcust is a very fun but difficult deck. you can play bystials in it to make dispater and the deck grinds really well
Pro tip, don’t 😂
Mannadium isn't fully dead, I've been making chaos angel with a light and dark instead of baronne. My average end boards have been 3 mat apollousa, chaos angel, another lvl 10 synchro (prime-heart, dis pater, or chengying), mannadium reframing, and whatever non engine I draw.
How early can you make appo?
You know the deck is good when Josh says says he doesn’t like the deck and also that good players can still make the deck do work. Crossout designator is now essential though
@@AdroNiernot early enough to play around nib
Nibiru still hurts though, that only guards your synchros, you still lose a lot of your end board and you can’t make appo quickly especially if you want to cross sheep, at best this deck will be rogue but honestly it’s not looking good, especially with protos and colossus back, (note I’m not saying those will be everywhere but them being legal at all is still a big problem for this deck, colossus especially)
@@Saixjacketwe need an actual line to work with though, the simple fact is nibiru is gonna hurt a lot more now, before if you had any extender you almost diddnt care and or could just negate it, now though they can hold nibiru way longer because making apo takes a lot of commitment , at best I can see maybe chaos Angel, a second level 10, and reframing, and that’s just not good
Bystial runick with 3 mali could go hard af imo
Now that Dragons lost their Omni, maybe give us back Elpy, I promise we or Tenpai won’t abuse it 🤗
Tenpai defo wont. Who needs that bs, when you can just win quicker.
@@mulldrifterz6469 so you’re going to tell me that going first, Tenpai couldn’t build a better board with Elpy
As much as I want Shavara to be 2 or 3, it would be so strong when it comes to using it in a yubel deck as an engine. Being able to run a 50 card yubel that has so so many starters and extenders even after nib would be crazyyyy with Yubel. After Yubel gets phantom I think is when we will see Best Red Doggy back to 2 or 3 :praydge: 🙏
I know it's not in a playable state right now, but banning Baronne and Savage is great news for the new Ashened. While of course Ash Blossom still exists the entirety of Ashened is a board breaker and can now recycle itself with the newly revealed cards to deal with Nibiru.
Yes, I am on the yellow middle side, ehich is a good thing for some of us.
Finally, a balanced C. Gives you a turn 1 chance but also gives ur opponent a chance to play around it. Combo decks have sth to fear but also a chance to win. This is gonna be so GOOD for the game
I think R-ace might be a winner because it doesn't loses hard to colossus which may became relevant in this format.
No raidraptor mention :(
Heroes can now make a more powerful endboard. Dark Law + DPE + Shining Neos Wingman + Plasma
Nah their endboard's gonna be Primal Being Token
@@jerobasangan3386 that's what I'm saying, a stronger token = stronger endboard
@@jerobasangan3386 You still live in 2021? As soon as DPE was made HERO stopped auto-losing to Nib. And with Infernal Rage this got even better.
I think my localss runs with Marincess have just gotten worse because now nib is a thing and I can't consistently put toad up in time... I wish they would've freed my boy red dog...
Pure Snake Eye lose
Yeah, the Fire King one is still going to be pretty good, but the Sky Striker and Infernoid builds should have good matchups against it, especially once they FINALLY get their new cards.
The new Terminal World stuff also made Ritual Beasts playable again in the OCG, which is probably going to take over as THE Shifter deck if enough decent players figure it out and get results, and that's also going to be an annoyance for FK builds in general(Snakes/Dragma/Tribs/etc).
7:36
Gimmick puppet players: "oh no, anyway..."
ItzJakeJames, where you at? I saw your chat message
OCG player here, I'm a bit confused.... Can somebody explain why Pure Snake-Eyes was considered better than FK Snake-Eyes in the TCG format?
As long as I know, the FK Snake-Eyes have always got more representative in the OCG compared to the Pure variant.... What difference is there?
FKSE gets more value from the Snake engine (and can be less fragile) while both have the same weaknesses. But synchro snakes in particular could cover these by using omni negates.
Then we have the major weakness to Droll. FK can't play under Droll at all. So you end up with the basic Snake Eye combo in both cases (assuming you can't get jet out). So the FK build has some "bricks" instead of handtraps that can't be used in hand.
Then on top of a bricking issue, we have less main deck slots for handtrap or have to cut crossout.
Finally against Shifter FK does nothing so you end up doing the typical IP Temple snake eye combo.
So, if any time you face a blowout handtrap you are limited to pure snake combos why play FK in the first place? Especially if Kirin takes the place of Crossout.
Jet snake eye also didn't care about board breakers like talents, thrust or evenly because they end on 1-2 omnis
The fire king variant has no counterplay to these besides a hard drawn crossout if you play it
Also using cosmic on fire king island is really funny
Speaking of cosmic, the "pure" (jet) variant always ends on temple so ip is never getting banished by it
And temple means you don't have to play into thrust/talents since it's not flamberge that summons ip
@@andrejv.2834 in my experience of playing FK, the board breakers don't really matter much too since you have interaction from all over the place, you got kirin in hand, you got promethean and sacred in graveyard, and you still got I:P on board, so whichever the opponent chooste to break, you will still have interaction no matter how small it is.....
I'm not being sceptical or whatever about the answers that have been given..... It's just that the answers don't show any differences between OCG and TCG format in this case right? The OCG still has board breakers, is HT focused and people are side decking cosmic cyclone since the FK has become the higher threat. The only key difference is Maxx C, and even that doesn't justify why since both pure and FK variants are afraid of Maxx C anyway..... So why?
@@nobunogax2036 Droll
Plants is going to benefit from a more board breaker focused meta
Centur-ion can now play Shifter easily
My man is ignoring that Centur-ion are getting more support in the next set, 10 days from now.
Salad plays through nib perfectly fine if you play the right build. If you lose to nib you either had a bad hand or played wrong
Love that bystials are relevant now
Kashtira defo is in the losers bracket they lost Barrone, summon limit and antispell all of which you'd go into in game 2 or 3 if you went first to play around board breakers