Analyzing the Best and Worst Jackbox Games

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  • čas přidán 22. 06. 2024
  • Collabs are dumb.
    Go check out Viddy's channel: / viddysvids
    Also go check out his Jackbox video: • Ranking EVERY JACKBOX ...
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    Timestamps:
    Intro: 0:00
    Drawful: 2:12
    Lie Swatter: 4:16
    Bidiots: 5:23
    Earwax: 7:24
    Quiplash 2: 8:34
    Guesspionage: 10:10
    Monster Seeking Monster: 11:19
    Bracketeering: 13:50
    Patently Stupid: 14:36
    Zeeple Dome: 15:50
    Trivia Murder Party 2: 16:59
    Dictionarium: 18:47
    Talking Points: 18:54
    Blather Round: 20:47
    Job Job: 21:51
    The Wheel of Enormous Proportions: 23:38
    Conclusion: 25:55
    All Music Used (In Order of Appearance):
    [Coming Soon]
    Thanks for watching!
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Komentáře • 296

  • @Danerade
    @Danerade  Před 2 lety +191

    Thank you Viddy Vids for doing this collab. This has been in the making for over a year (cause you know delays and procrastination of both our parts).
    Hopefully video will be out next week (will be on he shorter side) to finish out the month and then I’ll move swiftly in the yearly Christmas special :). Tell me what you think of the video!

  • @isthatagamer8844
    @isthatagamer8844 Před 2 lety +474

    If I were kidnapped and I had only my switch and phone I would ask the kidnapper for a game of quiplash and we would call the police for extra players. We would probably have a good time.

  • @KirbywithaGun64
    @KirbywithaGun64 Před 2 lety +501

    Wow I can't believe Danerade got Scott the Woz to collaborate with him!

  • @ViddysVids
    @ViddysVids Před 2 lety +243

    Thank you so much Dane for letting me work with you on this! This collab was a year in the making believe it or not, so glad to see the finished product!

    • @uiinpui
      @uiinpui Před 2 lety +2

      :)

    • @mihneabac
      @mihneabac Před 2 lety +5

      you were awesome. you remind me of scott the woz. i’ll check out your channel.

    • @ViddysVids
      @ViddysVids Před 2 lety +8

      @@mihneabac Thank you mihneabac. You are very kind

    • @mihneabac
      @mihneabac Před 2 lety +1

      @@ViddysVids i watched a video. you remind me of slimecicle too now

    • @dakotashroom5401
      @dakotashroom5401 Před 2 lety

      Please, collab with Danerade more, if you can!

  • @homebrewed5670
    @homebrewed5670 Před 2 lety +66

    Playing Talking Points was the best experience I’ve had in awhile. Especially since I won.

    • @THE_5050
      @THE_5050 Před 2 lety +4

      Same, Talking Points is so fun

  • @talkgomilk
    @talkgomilk Před 2 lety +63

    Zeepledome is like a really bad $2 game on the Eshop but with input delay

    • @c.i.n.b4710
      @c.i.n.b4710 Před 11 měsíci

      at least the music is good

    • @ohhi687itsme8
      @ohhi687itsme8 Před 7 měsíci

      @@c.i.n.b4710 Splatoon music: Exists
      Zeeple dome: Is for me?

  • @fiestaskull1540
    @fiestaskull1540 Před 2 lety +77

    I felt the criticisms regarding The Wheel Of Enormous Proportions were a little too harsh.
    Like sure, questions could have up to 12 possible answers, but all of them are true or false and it is a round to see who got the most, so I don't see the problem when you're just tasked with either trying to get a few answers right or guessing your way through it like you'd do in TMP.
    Furthermore it felt really shallow how ye only focused on those rounds when the trivia questions get presented in different ways, think of 'this or that' and getting as many math questions correct like in TMP again. This might be me personally but this alone makes the trivia portion the best in any jackbox game just for how much variety there is in answering the questions and how fun it is seeing how many of the answers you got right from the washing list of options.
    This video was a blast to watch and you two have sum great chemistry, I just felt that this section of the retrospect was kinda shallow.

    • @hunbi1875
      @hunbi1875 Před 2 lety +5

      Trivia is what you go to for more "fair and balanced" gameplay to some degree. The wheel is not this in anyway. Anything good about its trivia is ruined by the games mechanics. Its like if I said "this cake has the best whipped cream ever" and convinced you to eat cake made out of a bear feces. Sure that whipped cream may be amazing, but im not eating shit. Not this time.

    • @fiestaskull1540
      @fiestaskull1540 Před 2 lety +1

      @@hunbi1875 I would go more in-depth into your comment but the 'Not this time' makes me fear your health bro lel.
      Never eat shit kids

    • @owenchartrand8577
      @owenchartrand8577 Před 2 lety +3

      I have to agree with you, i love the wheel. To me, the questions are just as hard as trivia murder party's questions. To me, its sad that it gets a lot of hate, as its easily my favourite game in the 8th pack

  • @sugarfreejelly5577
    @sugarfreejelly5577 Před 2 lety +97

    Cmon Jackbox 5 is a really great pack of 4 games including Patently stupid, Split the room, you don't know jack and Mad verse city
    But I don't know why the government wants me to believe that "zeeple dome" exists

    • @spicyshark
      @spicyshark Před 2 lety +6

      You don’t know Jack is just your average trivia game and split the room is pretty forgettable outside of the host. Patently Stupid and Mad Verse City are GOAT tho

    • @mooseygoosey9720
      @mooseygoosey9720 Před 2 lety +1

      @@spicyshark
      Mad verse city is probably my second favorite Jackbox game, with Patently stuipid being third. Favorite is obviously Quiplash.

    • @hw6rv
      @hw6rv Před 18 dny

      ​@@mooseygoosey9720 Try talking points its great

  • @Arsonimp
    @Arsonimp Před 2 lety +14

    For blather round I can see how boring it would be for just a group of friends to play for fun, like it isn't funny at all.
    But me and my group of friends actually play it competitively a couple of times a week, like we can guess the prompt in less than a second if the person giving the clues gives a good one, like food related in the place category? That's wendys, McDonald's , red lobster and others I forgot at the moment

    • @Kidblaybee
      @Kidblaybee Před rokem

      I have a similar experience with my friends, we usually end a jackbox night with a few rounds of blather round. It's also nice that you don't need to be funny lol, it's hard to stay on when you're like 6 games in

  • @gokusan7144
    @gokusan7144 Před 2 lety +30

    I’m not kidding I literally just got my first jack box game today

  • @Raoul1808.
    @Raoul1808. Před 2 lety +5

    Definitely one of my best jackbox moments was with a group of people in a rhythm game server, some of us joke a lot about french members taking over the server. It was a game of Talking Points, and my prompt was “help there is a Mapy in my room with me” (this is one of the French members). When I came up on screen, the very first image were croissant in panties, it was so hilarious I got all the points even though it kinda ruined my presentation.

  • @dakotashroom5401
    @dakotashroom5401 Před 2 lety +13

    Viddy added some much needed humor to this video.
    I didn't know anyone else could make a video about jackbox games entertaining!

  • @TheThinkingHound
    @TheThinkingHound Před 2 lety +19

    Wow! Danerade really went all out for this video. The editing is **chef's kiss**

  • @THE__Legend_27
    @THE__Legend_27 Před 2 lety +18

    Jackbox are generally fun, but not when it’s limited to family friendly stuff (school)

  • @allinory
    @allinory Před 2 lety +2

    I found your channel just recently and gotta say, I like it so far! Very entertaining :) keep up the good work

  • @fluffs9867
    @fluffs9867 Před 2 lety +8

    I actually had a lot of fun when I played Zeeple Dome with my friends. It can get very chaotic when people are repeadly hitting the enemy that isn't their color.

    • @kaelchips909
      @kaelchips909 Před 2 lety +3

      Yeah, I think it’s a lot of fun with people in the same room, not much lag and the chaotic mess that ensues with a full room makes the game really fun, along with the variety of items that are added over time

    • @andersonluttrell6913
      @andersonluttrell6913 Před 2 lety

      Yeah. It's also a great solo game that when I want to play jack ox I always know I'll have a great time playing it solo

  • @currypenguin
    @currypenguin Před 2 lety +7

    Say what you want about Dictionarium or the Wheel, their end credits songs SLAP

  • @iamfat6164
    @iamfat6164 Před 2 lety +5

    god you and viddy are really are a good team. I know this joke has been made a lot already but honestly you and viddy can do what makes scott the woz so good. A channel about gaming that can make informal jokes without comprising the validity of the video

  • @kamilslup7743
    @kamilslup7743 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Fun fact: if you don't bring a lot of people to a game of monster seeking monster, you get an ai robot player, basically robot loses a heart every round, if he has no hearts then everyone loses

  • @baileyshep1644
    @baileyshep1644 Před 2 lety +5

    Unpopular opinion, but I actually kinda like Zeeple Dome. I always end up playing with my little brother and it’s so chaotic that it’s great.

  • @bartowo
    @bartowo Před 2 lety +1

    This is rlly well edited! Who cares abt a delay, your vids are quality

  • @DeliriousPersona
    @DeliriousPersona Před 2 lety +2

    that feeling when he didn't talk about Survive The Internet

  • @scoliosisDisco
    @scoliosisDisco Před 2 lety +4

    I get why people don't like The Wheel of Enormous Proportions, but it's one of my favorites, me and my friends always have a really fun time playing it, the luck aspect is way more impactful on who wins than the trivia, but that's why we like it more than You Don't Know Jack, for example

  • @icantthinkofagoodname.3983

    I'm gonna be real I don't get all the Guesspionage hate.
    I mean yeh The Poll Mine does do a better job at what it tries to do, but the great music, the vibes, and pure thrill that happens when someone gets super close or right on with thier answer gives me enough enjoyment of it to overlook it's flaws.

  • @MrMan002
    @MrMan002 Před 2 lety +6

    this is a certified danerade classic. Now do a video on pyschonauts

  • @Pablo-fh9uq
    @Pablo-fh9uq Před 2 lety +3

    I find monster seeking monster best when you make everyone anonymous and they reveal themselves when your monster is revealed

  • @MrPhantaze
    @MrPhantaze Před 2 lety +2

    The Wheel Of Enormous Proportions is that way bad that it still encourages to play again, because no game has something as important as a question and the answer for it

  • @Kitsu-vk3of
    @Kitsu-vk3of Před 2 lety +1

    LMAO the names in Blather 'Round made me laugh so hard. We start off simple: Boobs. I chuckle a bit. But then comes Futa Cocks. That had me cackling! To end it, we had WAP which just helped rap up the laughter
    I'm immature

  • @F2PAlius
    @F2PAlius Před 2 lety +3

    I like wheel because it is pure rng fiesta. I like rng fiestas where doing good still rewards you and being dumb doesnt flat put cripple your chances

  • @Meme_Lord_0011
    @Meme_Lord_0011 Před 2 lety +2

    I just recently found danerade and viddy and I’m loving there content

  • @mihneabac
    @mihneabac Před 2 lety

    awesome video! viddy reminds me of scott the woz, i’ll check him out!

  • @thespeedyyoshi
    @thespeedyyoshi Před 2 lety +1

    Oh my gosh, that Jack -in the- box joke near the beginning for me way too good.

  • @user_romanport
    @user_romanport Před rokem +1

    Just found your channel, and I really enjoy it. Your editing and sense of humor are hilarious, great job man!

  • @major.bases1957
    @major.bases1957 Před rokem +1

    I like to imagine the Wheel is the unhinged TMP. And I love that for it. Those criticisms are what makes the game fun - at least for me.

  • @sagacious03
    @sagacious03 Před 2 lety

    Okay analysis video! Thanks for uploading!

  • @evilgoose6768
    @evilgoose6768 Před rokem +2

    I won't lie to you i bought party pack 2 recently and i have to say i had a blast with my friends with every game on there, earwax is funny imo

  • @zeppie_
    @zeppie_ Před 2 lety +7

    One problem I have when I play trivia murder party is that a some of the questions seem too america-oriented

    • @NotCon
      @NotCon Před 2 lety

      Agreed.

    • @pheebobeebo1459
      @pheebobeebo1459 Před 2 lety +1

      yes! we played it as a team building game once and the first question was about this American piece of literature and we all just went 😐
      also I kinda generally don't like that game, like maybe it's just me but it's like the only jackbox game I've played where I genuinely felt bad for not doing well? like all the other games are haha funny no matter how you do but this one's like that one video of dr phil where he goes "you're ugly, you're disgusting, I'm gonna kill you, gimme $200"

    • @acedunnit
      @acedunnit Před 2 lety +1

      Hey guys! You can turn off american-oriented questions in settings!

    • @NotCon
      @NotCon Před 2 lety +2

      @@acedunnit Oh wow, thank you.

    • @acedunnit
      @acedunnit Před 2 lety

      @@NotCon No problem!

  • @fionna_cool_girl
    @fionna_cool_girl Před rokem +1

    I'm surprised Split the Room wasn't mentioned. I think that game is HEAVILY underrated

  • @mikhaelgribkov4117
    @mikhaelgribkov4117 Před 2 lety +1

    Interesting: I'm actually reverssed on final one: I think Job Job isn't crazy or fun compared to other "free style comedy" games, while Wheel is satisfies ich for some trivia and some randomness.

  • @SevenThirteen
    @SevenThirteen Před 2 lety +3

    Welp, time to see I'm in the video game

  • @user-um8uw7rl4s
    @user-um8uw7rl4s Před 2 lety +5

    1:28 that joke is so much funnyer when you realize that Jack Black is voicing Bowser in the super Mario bros movie

  • @bala11200
    @bala11200 Před 2 lety

    Yup, that's the quality I expected from a colabb whit vid's. Good.

  • @wistfulcake3923
    @wistfulcake3923 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I like when you say 0/10 games and zoom in on zeeple dome where it should be

  • @L3R4T
    @L3R4T Před 2 lety +1

    whats up everybody its ya boy spacekettle the unimpportant character that was in about one fourth of the games

  • @KoralTea
    @KoralTea Před 2 lety +2

    Omg yoshis Viddy’s is my fav CZcamsr

  • @scribblecloud
    @scribblecloud Před rokem +1

    noo blather round is fun! I enjoy trying to describe a specific thing with only certain prompts, and seeing everyone lose their minds trying to guess it 😂 it just sucks when people are like really fkn bad at describing

  • @tacoforce5
    @tacoforce5 Před 2 lety +2

    i played monster seeking monster once with a friend, his girlfriend, and my brother. of course because they hate fun they just went with each other leaving my brother and i to go with the robot which we gladly let self destruct so no one could win.

  • @JadonTheRedFox
    @JadonTheRedFox Před 2 lety +4

    Guys we all know Danerade’s just gonna pull a 180 on us review bug fables lol

  • @loading....001
    @loading....001 Před 2 lety +1

    Bruh, I thought the dude who was joining in this video was slimecicle, god am I fcucking stupid

  • @skyvenger7724
    @skyvenger7724 Před 2 lety

    I was not expecting a bloc quebecois reference in this video 😆

  • @jasonwalton9553
    @jasonwalton9553 Před 2 lety +40

    Just a heads-up: M. Bubbles, the Job Job host, canonically uses they/them pronouns, as seen on the official JJ page on the Jackbox website. Other than that, great video!

  • @clochibi5568
    @clochibi5568 Před rokem +1

    Been watching a bunch of Danerade videos today, guy must have it out for the Bloc Québécois! I’ve seen many digs at them! 🤣🤣🤣

  • @windows95-079
    @windows95-079 Před měsícem

    it's so good to finally see another monster seeking monster enjoyer

  • @dogtheories
    @dogtheories Před 2 lety

    tbh I really like bracketeering but that's because my friends make the worst answers and I find it funny to see them again under different prompts

  • @Pr0pheceye
    @Pr0pheceye Před 9 měsíci

    I like zeeple dome :) it’s so freakin chaotic with my family, with all of us screaming at each other.

  • @scribblecloud
    @scribblecloud Před rokem

    i just realized quiplash is literally just cards against humanity with all custom answers

  • @theoriginalalex
    @theoriginalalex Před 2 lety +22

    Earwax slaps, anyone that dislikes it needs funnier friends

  • @justatomato4982
    @justatomato4982 Před 7 měsíci +1

    actually in pack 8 specifically "job job" tends to be me and my friend's least favourite game while the wheel of enormous proportions gets asked the most. in job job everyone feels like the prompts and the answers players give are just not very good. also we all find the host really annoying, everyone is constantly asking me if i can skip her dialogue. in comparison the wheel never fails to make us laugh. also the trivia in the wheel is amazing. the questions are good and there's enough variations to keep us interested. plus the randomness factor makes it more interesting as there is a small element of strategy on where you wanna place your pieces on the wheel and it's funny to us when we spin and end double the score of some random guy with 3000 points. Wheel is hype, Job Job boring imo

  • @jeremyusreevu237
    @jeremyusreevu237 Před 2 lety +4

    I like Lie Swatter, but it is definitely one of the weaker Jackbox games.
    Also, Fibbage is the best Jackbox game.

    • @luisandrescasassapalomino4737
      @luisandrescasassapalomino4737 Před 2 lety +2

      Champ'd up, TMP 1, Quiplash 2, Talking Points and Lie Swatter are my favs

    • @Pyrodiac
      @Pyrodiac Před rokem

      My personal favorites are Quixort, Trivia Murder Party 1, Quiplash 3, Tee K.O, and Devils and the Details, though I have only played packs 3, 7, and 9.

  • @uiinpui
    @uiinpui Před 9 měsíci

    Just here wanting to say you are the reason I play Bug Fables

  • @woffle2539
    @woffle2539 Před 2 lety +1

    last time we tried to play monster seeking monster with dane he said he doesnt trust us with it

  • @luckyducky9669
    @luckyducky9669 Před 2 lety +1

    u got slimecicle to be in your video dam that's crazy

  • @therealbeanbot
    @therealbeanbot Před 2 lety

    I LOVE BOTH OF THESE CHANNELS!

  • @imtoolazyforaprofilepic4961

    Waiting till competitive jackbox esports

  • @4444Ferris
    @4444Ferris Před 2 lety +3

    I thought they would have "the devil and the details" in worst for 7
    The streamers I've seen playing it usually don't like and play it only once

    • @kirbysuperstaruhh3769
      @kirbysuperstaruhh3769 Před 10 měsíci +1

      Devil and the details is one of those games that aren't really good for playing over stream. Not AS bad as fakin it which almost REQUIRES you to be in the same room for the optimal experience but stream latency issues is a major complaint with tDatD

  • @kwynn1016
    @kwynn1016 Před 2 lety

    When me and my friends played Job Job we all tried to add a bunch of words and who was playing which helped with the answers

  • @Alpha-oo8
    @Alpha-oo8 Před 2 lety +3

    It’s interesting.
    I’ve seen the games on this list both be peoples favourites and less favourite.
    Like some people DESPIZE monster seeking monster and LOVE blather round.
    It is something for everyone.
    Except for Zeeple Dome. I don’t think there are many that particularly like that one. Might not be the bottom of everyone’s list, but I doubt it at the top of any

  • @pelerflyp5398
    @pelerflyp5398 Před rokem

    Drawful 3 is really fucking cool, several times I encountered that the real prompt has a TYPO

  • @DE23
    @DE23 Před 2 lety +1

    So what you're saying is, The Wheel is Mario Party with Chance Time every turn?

  • @MrFancyDragon
    @MrFancyDragon Před rokem

    I do get that Guesspionage is the worst technically for Party Pack 3.
    But I can’t believe you guys didn’t mention the audience feature for that game!! When there’s enough audience members. The answers are based on what the audience think.
    Which I think is honestly an amazing feature

  • @NoizZy_
    @NoizZy_ Před 2 lety +3

    damn this is a long one

  • @Wazzyo
    @Wazzyo Před 2 lety +1

    "beta64 guy" who is that, i only see scott the woz

  • @genericuser5523
    @genericuser5523 Před rokem

    The funniest thing i had was tidlak the frog in the trippe blind bracket at it was the funniest experience ive had

  • @JayPredictable
    @JayPredictable Před 2 lety

    I played Wheel of Proportions in a server and everyone hated it lol

  • @Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan

    Is the final video gonna be Super Paper Mario? That's my guess based off of the music at the end

  • @tyronequinn
    @tyronequinn Před 2 lety +1

    8:49 funnily enough the theme park is real, our only theme park is made around potato chips (crisps)

  • @Kiwibro1010
    @Kiwibro1010 Před 2 lety

    1:25 I'm sorry, but is this a mix of Smart Race and the Mario Party 1 Minigame explanation theme?

  • @cmyk8964
    @cmyk8964 Před 2 lety +1

    I hate Push the Button. It always devolves into mob mentality, and hacks are overpowered.

  • @essencecartoon
    @essencecartoon Před 2 lety +1

    Flawless video

    • @Pyrodiac
      @Pyrodiac Před rokem

      Incorrect, but based opinion nonetheless.

    • @essencecartoon
      @essencecartoon Před rokem

      @@Pyrodiac an opinion can neither be correct or incorrect..

  • @NeoFlame17
    @NeoFlame17 Před 2 lety +1

    6:06 NFTs be like
    hahahahahahahaha
    laugh
    *now*

  • @wienerschnitzel1739
    @wienerschnitzel1739 Před 2 lety

    This Viddy guy really wants to be Scott the Woz

  • @deadlocked6581
    @deadlocked6581 Před rokem

    ah yes, i remember my friend begging me to buy each party pack for him

  • @mtstomack7053
    @mtstomack7053 Před 2 lety +1

    Yo just got my first jackbox collection yesterday

  • @spiffyamoeba6395
    @spiffyamoeba6395 Před 2 lety

    Dictionarium is nice to look back on

  • @Timberwolf0952
    @Timberwolf0952 Před 2 lety +4

    Blather Round got done wrong.

    • @noopthenoop
      @noopthenoop Před rokem

      exactly, i think devils and the details is way worse than blather round lol

    • @Pyrodiac
      @Pyrodiac Před rokem

      @@noopthenoop

    • @Veneer98
      @Veneer98 Před 24 dny

      No way devils is better than blather

  • @efrainmercado9482
    @efrainmercado9482 Před rokem

    I played bidiots with my friends… it was so bad we never played it ever again

  • @Starman_Jr.
    @Starman_Jr. Před 2 lety

    The Jack Black thing was a bloody clever joke cuz Jack is Bowser in the frickin Mario movie thing

  • @bowlsfunstuff951
    @bowlsfunstuff951 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Ok I Would Put the Devils and the Details at last place in pack 7 bc its so confusing and weird and annoying and kinda boring… idk i just dont like it

  • @cardboardtoaster2169
    @cardboardtoaster2169 Před 2 lety

    Why Danerade month was delayed: he was still scavenging for joy-cons

  • @ViddysVids
    @ViddysVids Před 2 lety +5

    How am I not first?

  • @Blank-ho7di
    @Blank-ho7di Před 2 lety

    FUCK YEAH! New Danerade video

  • @pointless529
    @pointless529 Před 2 lety

    This one time I posted my jackbox tier list in the jackbox official discord server but it got deleted...

  • @clockwork.mp4596
    @clockwork.mp4596 Před 2 lety +1

    This guy literally deserves more subscribers like cmon

  • @camdaham5615
    @camdaham5615 Před 2 lety +4

    Imo jackbox party pack 2 is the best. You guys can respectfully disagree right? (Besides earwax)

    • @elliebee3520
      @elliebee3520 Před 2 lety +1

      It has Bomb. Corp so I can see where you’re coming from

    • @graydeotto2820
      @graydeotto2820 Před 2 lety +1

      I think 3 is better but I like 2 as well

  • @katrinaoconnor3479
    @katrinaoconnor3479 Před 2 lety

    And soon a 9th and 10th 0:53
    Ya but don't forget drawful that count as a series 1:05

  • @Ayahifuu
    @Ayahifuu Před 2 lety

    i think danrade is an anarcho captalist.
    because he says he's a captalist but prefers anarchy,
    and also because he commits tax evasion.

  • @cyberyoutabe5995
    @cyberyoutabe5995 Před 2 lety

    I wonder why bracketeering isn’t about the player, but instead the prompt

  • @graydeotto2820
    @graydeotto2820 Před 2 lety +1

    Guesspionage is my fav jackbox game tbh

  • @AnAverageArceus
    @AnAverageArceus Před 2 lety

    Gex good
    Nice video btw

  • @KamenRiderAliks
    @KamenRiderAliks Před 4 měsíci

    I hate all the Earwax slander I hear. My friend group really enjoys this game a whole lot, since it can be brief with low player counts it's good for ending the night on. The entire point of the game is that you can't hear the sounds ahead of time so everyone, including you, hears them for the first time when the judge does. Honestly if you did it another way you'd run out the timer selecting sounds, considering some of the unhinged ones are ungodly long.