“We need to release another Dune game for the next movie coming out. What should we have in it?” “Well, it’s a Dune game, so we need to make sure it has spice.” “Got it. I’ll be sure to put some spies in it.”
The big question for me is how the 2 expansion mix with Uprising. I’ve got both, have ‘em mixed in and really enjoy what they add to OG Dune. BUT I can see them not being as optimized for Uprising . A follow up video would be very much appreciated that discusses how the 2 expansions work (pros/cons) and what the comparison is like for OG Dune with expansion vs. Uprising with expansions.
Please do a video/"review" about how well the game works with the expansions. Because it sounds better than the original box but i really want to know if it's better than original box+exp 1/2!
Just read the rule book. It seems a bit fiddle to include the expansions, but it's not as bad as I expected. Gameplay wise I'm also interested and can't wait to try it on TTS. Not so sure I will buy the game as I'm not to happy with the whole practice around this game.
This is such a tough one for me. I just got into DI in the last year and feel pretty conflcted about DIU. I really wish they had made a standalone version for newcomers and an upgrade pack at a discounted price for veterans. 😢
Agreed. I mentioned this in their review. I don't want to give them money because I don't like this practice. I get stand alone expansions and 2.0 but this is too soon . Black Rose Wars just did the same thing. If this game does well I guarantee that more games will do it.
I would like to see this too but I won't hold my breath. I know it can be done, Concordia came out with the new Concordia Venus version but also did it as an expansion for those who already had the original game.
This is an expansion that includes everything needed to play (hence the reason for calling this a standalone expansion). It can be integrated with the base game and all previous expansions. The duplicate content is quite minimal (starting 10 card player deck, player cubes, resources, 4x alliances, worm starting token) and having a separate SKU for this might be just as costly to players due to losing the discount of manufacturing in bulk.
I think the online community has influenced this version. The TTS crowd played the ever loving crap out of the original and expansions in very short period of time and direwolf is very in tune with their feedback. In some ways this services the dune addicts who play in the huge online tournaments more than the casuals who happen to have dune on their shelf.
Nice job Roy! I too am a proponent of upgrade packs for owners of a base game, however, in this instance I feel like the Uprising stand alone has so much new stuff it does not make sense to offer one. Other than the basic resources, agents, cubes and few other minor pieces, the entire game is new. I am happy that Rise of IX and Immortality are compatable plus my Dune Imperium Deluxe upgrade works as well.
Just a weird product in my eyes. It feels like it comes to early in the life cycle of Dune Imperium, although I understand it from a financial perspective. From reading the rules and watching some videos I don't really feel like this is a big enough improvement as it stands. But I would love to be wrong here and will definitely try it on TTS.
I already have Dune Imperium, both expansions, plus the premium components. It's one of my favorite games, but I probably won't pick this one up unless I snag it on the cheap months down the road. But I'm still not sure it's necessary, it's kind of just a remix of the first game without bringing anything new of consequence.
Saying it doesn't bring anything new of consequence seems pretty counter to what we heard in the review, where the new mechanics were pretty well-received.
I didn't buy DI, because my game group already has a copy of it. but I think this one has some interesting changes (improvements???) and additions. Being able to mix in some of the original game in is also a plus in my book. Thanks for doing this comparison. I think it was needed because I probably would have just ignored DI: Uprising as just another expansion pack A Cash Grab? Maybe. Was Twilight Imperium 4 a cash grab? Same principle, really. Take a game, change some of the mechanics, add some new features and call it a day.
@@violentfrog_I wonder what the play count would be, though. I suspect Dune Imperium might have more players who have played one or more game of it in 2 years than TI3 had in 10+. So if you’re going to improve a base game, you need player feedback to know what would be best. I think that feedback was available for this one pretty quickly.
I appreciate it, Roy, that you took the time to make this video, but I'm 10 minutes in and all I'm seeing is they fixed or balanced out the first edition of the game. Spies balance the Influence tracks, Worms incentivize players getting involved in Conflicts, Leaders... there are more of them. It all just shouts, "Grab the leaders from the base game, put 'em in this box, get rid of everything else."
@@ilqrd.6608 Uprising has not convinced me at all with the Worms and the Wall and the Conflict Symbols to collect. To me it adds too much unpredictability and therefore randomness, so I'd rather play Dune Imperium if not for the 6-Players mode.
Uprising has not convinced me at all with the Worms and the Wall and the Conflict Symbols to collect. To me it adds too much unpredictability and therefore randomness, so I'd rather play Dune Imperium if not for the 6-Players mode..
@@user-jp3fh5yh6gNot really unpredictable, just more strategic, just got off from playing a game, I was at 6 VP, while my GF was at 9, in a single round, I jumped all the way to 11 VP. Only to still lose to a couple of intrigues she had saved up. Keep in mind, each of our master plans was thought out mid-game, so I wasn’t falling behind, I was revving up. There’s definitely more strategies you can plan around with in this game.
I still feel there is a whole lot of game left in Dune Imperium with the two expansions for me and my group. I don't feel like I need or want this game.
Most importantly thanks for doing an amazing and thorough overview Roy! I hate to add to the fire in the comments- DI is one of my favorite games of all time but this game looks amazing and even better in almost everyway but lack of acknowledgment from Dire Wolf to the address the easy solution of upgrade pack which other games have done a number of times has really upset me. Not to mention that the last expansion has been out for less than a year. We want people to innovate - yet the lack of recognition for a 1.5 is quite brothersome. To clarify, I love my well loved copy - I have played nearly 50 times and it doesn't diminish my love or admiration for everything so far. Yet asking for a full game price when it could easily reduce waste, cost and frustration with an upgraded pack- a replacement board, cards, and a few other components as an option for previous fans is beyond me. I will definitely pick up Uprising second hand for a reduced price but I am not supporting this behavior of companies directly.
I just dont even think an upgrade pack would be much cheaper though. Like its basically just the wooden cubes and a few card board tokens that are duplicated no? I understand the sentiment but would a $50 upgrade pack make that much of a difference?
@@AleksandarDaGr8 that is a fair point- but I think it would. $ 40 or even $45 - I think would be fair and most importantly acknowledgment to people and fans who already put some money into it. And again the later point is the most important, recognition and communication means alot- just putting a product especially a 1.5 matters - I think you can see that with all of the comments. But thanks for reading my comment- always happy to discuss.
You know what makes this ok? It’s on retail pre order for a mere 45 bucks. This game is very fairly priced. If you bought this as an expansion you would like pay 29 bucks so really the difference here is negligible
It should also be worth mentioning that the designers wanted a way to design an expansion that built on what they have learned of the game after several years of people playing it without creating more complexity to the already growingky hefty game. The obvious way to answer that is to redesign the game from the ground up and make the same game with notable improvements offering an alternative way to play.
If I don't have the original and get Uprising, which would be the most recommnded to also add: Ix, the original game, Immortality or do these have only a minor impact?
Its very frustrating to hear over and over and over and over again about the house blend of imperium decks but never really getting the official list from the designer or what factors went into it. How many tries of me fumbling to mix cards from previous set/expansion with this one until I get a balance/thematic deck. I guess mixing my own house blend is a pre-game now.
Waiting till' Imperium Uprising gets translated in my country, the only thing i worry is the price... Dune Imperium has a price a little bit more than Terraforming Mars (just to compare), which makes sense. But still, Uprising brings so much new content that makes me worried that it will be way too much expensive
its just a cash grab, did they remove the dreadnoughts?if so they shouldve included it to this version, maybe u can play ix with this?, or another cash grab on the way
@@shanedbuntingI love Dune Imperium. I love Dune. But how is comparison even supposed to work in board games? Other than the whole "it's mainly for the money" perspective that sequels nowadays follow.
@@Polskimg shield wall, it seems to me to be very much a game based , the way the first game was based , on its corresponding movie. So because there are movies and books involved in this example I find it easier to see . But was the the first and this game based on Original IP I would look for similar or the same gameplay with "upgrades" or fixes and most importantly to qualify for sequel status a continuation of the story conceit or lore of the game . With the addition of the shield wall on the gameboard and in this instance what I know of the movies and books , also changing available leaders makes this a sequel for me.
Don't see a reason to own this if you have the original + deluxe kit. I want the new leaders and Worms, but the rest of the content is what we already have with a slight twist. I wish they'd make an upgrade pack for the thousands of us that bought the first but it's clear they want you to own two versions of this game Everdell Farshore style. Easy pass.
Dire Wolf Digital recently put a listing for the digital version of Dune Imperium on Steam, slated to be released Q4 2023, which is technically now. Will Uprising get a release as well? Will it be a separate title, DLC, or a patch? How DWD treats the digital release might hint at what their future plans are for the original Dune Imperium.
I understand the comments below about “cash grab” - but I think someone else nailed it. For some game groups Dune Imp has become a “lifestyle” game and rather than playing a lot of different games they play this one with expansions. This module add with six players, and variants allows the lifestyle gamers to delve deeper into their game expierence. For others they can choose which to get, or not get the new one. Just replayed the OG before seeing the movie tomorrow. It is an awesome game and I am not missing the new one at all. But I understand where folks who play it every week want more of the same but a little different, meanwhile my game group may choose to move on play some Earth or Heat or something, and get this out a few times a year. It does seem they provided a different experience for a certain type of gamer who had some issues with some of the board spaces. Thanks Roy for the overview.
Dune: Imperium is my number 1 game and has been since it came out, and is the only game I’ve given a 10 to so far. What you described in this video, and what you all talked about in the group review, has convinced me enough. I may not get it right away, as I might play the first one a bit more before having this tempting game staring at me from my shelf. I have a feeling I’ll want to play nothing other then this, when I do eventually get it. Thanks so much Roy, and Tom, Chris and Joey. Your opinions and thoughts helped sway me.
Hello! TY for the video. My group playes many games like Eclipse, TFMars, BTSun, SWRebellion etc but we never did appreciate Dune. Can't explain why ... Wooden cubes game? ... Feeling more like an Eurogame than a great thematic space opera? Maybe we'll give another try with this one?
I love DI, and when they annouced this I was excited...at first. Seeing this overview, and reading comments online, this isn't for me. We play DI and I really enjoyed it, but I don't need to get a whole new version of essentially the same game. I know that there are improvements and modifications to this one to make it "better" but as a casual player of DI I don't need any of that. As others have said, if there was an update pack or something along those lines then sure, but right now it just feels like they're trying to milk Dune and don't really care if they screw over owners of DI in the process.
Strange how this game is getting the Everdell Farshoe backlash when that was actually a half baked cash grab, and this game has a huge amount of new content, and new mechanisms. It looks like all of the twice-burned Kickstarter crowd can't quite aim their vitriol at the correct targets.
Have had an unplayed copy of original imperium on my shelf for a few years now, not really sure what to do with it. 😬 I was thinking of just keeping DI for now and using it to introduce people to the game assuming it's a little simpler to learn and then getting DIU if we enjoy it enough... even if DIU seems to be the superior game.
I have DI with both expansions, the deluxe upgrade box, and all promos. I also preordered Uprising. Am i annoyed? Yes. But i understand the designer needs to iterate. Another expansion to the base game would have overbloated it. Let's be honest, Uprising is a direct replacement to DI. You can Frankenstein a copy of both games but it was not the designer's original intention for Uprising and any effort to do so is just to appease the folks who have DI. Uprising is a stand-alone improvement to DI taking into account almost 3 years of feedback with significant tournament/competitive play. I'm assuming the expansions for DI won't integrate seamlessly with Uprising and expect expansions for Uprising in the future. I want to sell DI but the only problem is that I threw away the base box and have everything in the deluxe box. Maybe i'll put it in the Uprising box and give it away.
Wish we could see how this works with the expansions.. is it covering up lots of new spaces? Does having cards from those expansions water down the new cards? Etc.
@@KMReviews it is but it will probably play better on its own and then with whatever new expansions will come specifically for it. Best way to play will be to leave the original as is since it’s already amazing and play this as it’s own thing. Who knows how the new game will be balanced if you dilute the deck and add things like dreadnoughts and the research track
@@mitchellp7739 I get that. I’m just saying they are putting out all these videos on comparisons. Show how it is with the expansions so I can decide if it’s worth it or kot
@@KMReviews it is worth it even without the expansions so if you liked the first you will like this one. Adding the expansions wouldn’t change the fact that this one is worth it even without them
I know I'm getting flak for defending this product, but the term "cash grab" makes it sound like they are making a bad product, which from the review it sounds like they are not. . . I mean I definitely see how it would be nice if it were an upgrade pack, but this new version doesn't diminish the worth of your original copy. . .
If I was going to play Rise of Ix with Uprising, I would only replace the CHOAM half of the board with the uprising version. Otherwise you're reverting the improved Lansdrad Council zone to what it was in classic Dune: Imperium.
I have a fully decked out, deluxified version of dune imperium with both expansions and custom inserts for the deluxe box so everything fits in it nicely. I’m still excited for Uprising and was a day one pre-order for me!
Great and very much needed video. Some small things: "Foldspace" not "folded space (it's like "hyperspace" from star wars idea). Spice Must Flow is different by being a Spacing Guild card allowing for some synergies - but that's a super small detail. Smuggler's Heaven seems broken AF. A field that gives 4 spice with an effect that gives 4 spice? Sure, 3 water, but that is a super easy resource mill for VP - and it gives you water access through Spacing Guild icon. Broken OP card. 6 player mode really feels to me like a tack-on. It is so niche I'm not sure how much of a wasted resource that is. Nothing wrong with people enjoying it, though.
Harsh comment section out here- ill just say i think dune: imperium is impressive game design, and in the era of literal cash grabs from kickstarter craze, its hard to determine if you "need" the new thing. As someone who loved original d:i, im excited to play uprising, the next movie's take on deckbuilding & worker placement combo. If youre happy with d:i, great. If you want more, guess what? D:i uprising is coming out soon! Someone else was never gonna tell me how i should spend my money anyway 😂 take it easy
No one is telling you to do anything. Agree/disagree, they are just expressing their dissatisfaction (which will hopefully discourage this behavior from Dire Wolf and other publishers). It's a FACT that 2 expansions came out in 2022, making me (and many others) feel like suckers for this patched DI game to come out now. Mindless completionists and people who haven't jumped in will love this...but loyal customers who have bought everything are understandably annoyed right now. Dominion/Unmatched expansions enhance everything else you already own...and even when Dominion finally came out with 2nd editions (EIGHT years after their original release), they were considerate enough to release affordable Update Packs for loyal customers. Hell, even King of Tokyo/King of New York/King of Monster Island was handled in a way that considered their loyal fans. That feels good. This doesn't.
@@adamg4912 interesting that you and i can have the same experience of getting the original dune:imperium and each of its expansions, yet you tell me you feel like a sucker and i must say, i do not
So, Uprising mainly adds a lot of convoluted rules and changes up things that were very good. I really don't like this new version! Too much nonsense just to force a version for the second movie and to sell another copy for high price.
I wonder if this game could be a big box with a bunch of new overlay tiles, cards and other stuff so that people could mix all things up, creating all kinds of crazy variations. Like a Dune Maker Game.
It looks like the same game, same mechanics, same theme, same tokensand different cards. As a casual gamer i dont think it is worth getting this one. I mean i already have a similar game.
Of the new heroes, Princess Irulan seems to be the most busted to play. Basically let’s you trash a card from your hand unconditionally when you play the signet ring and get spice for doing it. So with her you can run a very tight deck but for her to be good you need strong cards. If the imperium row doesn’t give you good cards she might struggle. Her passive is also quite nice if you are able to get cards that let you juggle influence on the factions.
FYI, the Spice Must Flows are not exactly the same as base game. In Uprising, they count as Spacing Guild cards which can come up sometimes. In base they have no tag.
When Unmatched Adventures came out which is completely NEW and COOPERATIVE but fully compatible with all the Unmatched content you have, that FEELS GOOD. This doesn't feel good for loyal customers that have bought every Dune product that has come out...
The first Dune game is way more than the first movie. Theres characters and allusions to all kinds of Dune stuff in that game. Even the trash Brian Herbert novels. That's just what they're saying because they knew a new sku would be more profitable than another Expansion. This could have just been a big expansion. I mean it kind of is.
Honestly though, that's a real problem with GAAS (games as a service). It's actually killing games. It's destroying gaming history. It's preventing anyone, including future generations, to ever experience those games again.
Are they making new expansions for this version and a deluxe version. I wish they would make a version that isn't meeples and cubes. I really want to give this a shot. Would've been perfect for KS.
Thank you for doing this. I looked a bit online and it's filled with disappointed people and no one REALLY saying what is different. A different board and different cards with some added stuff....I think that is a great thing.
I feel worms are a bit overpowered, doubling a double VP just makes the game all about the combat, if you build for a spice must flow card victory or something you've got no chance.
call me cynical but this could have been an expansion with a double-sided board replacing the original, and the new cards+leaders. Obviously if you can milk a successful series with new versions every couple of years, why not...
How much cheaper would it have really been? Not much id say and now people who are new can just get this if theyd like. I have everything Dune Imperium even the big box and it sucks for me but i understand whyd theyd do it like this. Its basically a stand alone expansion to a great game. Many games have done that in the past
@AleksandarDaGr8 except it is a side-spansion, only partially compatible with existing expansions, and only a few components can be carried over from the original box, so idk. Definitely a good entry point, but if I had all content for base game and expansions I'd be mad
it prevents anyone using Worms in conflicts in Arakeen, Spice Refinery, and Imperial Basin. Once the wall is destroyed, anyone can use worms in conflicts in those areas. You destroy the wall from Sietch Tabr - maybe there's an intrigue card that could do it too
As someone that was interested in the first game, but never got to it, this just makes it confusing. I’ll wait until there is a second edition where they decide what is the best way from both versions and the expansions and put it altogether that way in a few years.
"Waiting" is actually brilliant because they just showed a bit of shadiness in how they release products. If I knew this was coming out, I wouldn't have bought the expansions and I would've sold the original DI. So from now with Dire Wolf, I'll wait several years before jumping into any of their games so that I can get the best/final version of them rather than the BETA tests.
@@uplift-yourdailypickup6424 Uprising has not convinced me at all with the Worms and the Wall and the Conflict Symbols to collect. To me it adds too much unpredictability and therefore randomness, so I'd rather play Dune Imperium if not for the 6-Players mode.
Uprising has not convinced me at all with the Worms and the Wall and the Conflict Symbols to collect. To me it adds too much unpredictability and therefore randomness, so I'd rather play Dune Imperium if not for the 6-Players mode.
This i exactly what I want from a game system I love! Same game but different! It i just like with 18xx games. Tou want the same, but different. To change it up a bit now and then. This i the way!
Two expansions in one year and a 2.0 straight after seems more Magic The Gathering than a board game. I am not against this but they need to better support competitive play then.
Dangit man you cut off the cards section. Was hoping to see an appearance of Hasimir Fenring, but alas it looks like he was cut from the movie, which is a real sham and shame. I love Margo taking a bigger role, but cutting Hasimir altogether is NO BUENO. :( However, TY Roy for this content!
How about both options? A new game for people jumping in and an affordable update pack for people who have been fans from the beginning. That would be a nice gesture and you'd avoid the negative feelings a lot of DI players have right now (especially after buying 2 pricey expansions LAST YEAR!)
People in the comments calling this a cash grab didnt watch the video. The game is a back bone improvement of the original with new mechanics layered onto the original game. As far as a cash grab - nobody is asking you to buy this game. But let me ask - do you consider Ticket To Ride Europe and Germany to just be Cash grabs?
That's a false comparison. If you've gone all-in on Dune Imperium, which have most recently come out and they release this which is an entirely new game and can only be mixed together in a very clunky way, it's only great if you've bought NOTHING so far. I see many condescending/snarky replies like "yOu're nOT foRceD to BuY iT--YoU cAn StILL pLaY YouR gAmeS!!!" but that misses the point. We WANT to buy more Dune content and we WANT to play the newest Dune content... When Unmatched Adventures came out which is NEW and COOPERATIVE but fully compatible with all the Unmatched content you have, that FEELS GOOD. This doesn't feel good for loyal customers.
Wish they would have just designed this as an expansion that added worms, a new board, and a few cards to add 2nd half Dune flavor. As is I will skip it.
Really weird for me that all people say that this is 'cash grab' blablabla... I already got DUNE and I Love it. I see the new one that better, so its obvious choice right? I m gonna sell my old one then buy this, Its easy!!!
Hey I really liked your video, but I find it very confusing. Is there anyway you could do a really clear list of the differences between the two games and how they impact gaemplay? At the moment it seems A LOT has changed and it is not just a tweak of some kind. Many thanks
I'm not gonna call it a cash grab because it appears to be just as fun as the original while having new mechanics and the creators seem genuinely passionate about the game. i will call it a silly use of development hours and a silly attitude towards the people who already bought and enjoyed the game and are now being forced to feel like they have to pick one or the other.
Exactly. It's not a "cash grab" it's just very inconsiderate of how loyal fans will feel. When Dominion Second Edition came out (8 years later, mind you), they released Update Packs and that's a nice gesture to people who supported you from the beginning.
We found that the worms made the game a bit uninteresting. For us the original Dune: Imperium had one thing that was really great: A very tight game where every point really mattered and there were several ways to win - especially when you added the expansions. In the new version you can get so many points for a single combat that worms and combat skew everything into a single playstyle (if you want to win). That impacts the value of cards in the offering as now only combat truly matters, while in original Dune: Imperium you would see players going for different cards, combos, and setups. The spies initially sounds like a good idea but it's not as interesting as the Infiltration mechanic from Rise of Ix because you can clearly SEE the spies (which just seems dumb). It's a bit of a weird design. We plan on adding the new leaders without specific Uprising abilities though. We like leaders.
I will just implement into Dune Imperium the 2+ visits to High Council. 5 solari -> council seat (1st usage) and 2 spice + 1 intrigue + 3 troops (afterwards) I will buy Uprising ONLY for the 6-Players mode which seems to me quite interesting! For 4 or less players at my table I will go on playing Dune Imperium with Rise of Ix and Immortality in Epic Mode with my 73 Leaders and my variant " Strategic Deckbuilding Start: Upgrade Your Starting Deck! " I am wondering though if it is a good idea to play with both expansions Uprising in 6-players mode? Uprising has not convinced me at all with the Worms and the Wall and the Conflict Symbols to collect. To me it adds too much unpredictability and therefore randomness, so I'd rather play Dune Imperium if not for the 6-Players mode.
That's not quite true. If you have DI and the expansions and you're completely satisfied with them then you might not want to jump to the new one. But everyone talking about this game seems to be saying that the new version embodies very useful patches that improve the game. The improvements might be subtle. But they're apparently noticeable enough that in the other DT discussion of the two, Roy said he wouldn't be playing the original any more because he likes the new one better. Which definitely doesn't sound like there's "literally no reason"
@@ronaldbell7429 For me when I have invested so much in the original there's no reason for me to buy into the second one for some slight upgrades. If I sold off my original maybe but that's the only way.
Uprising has not convinced me at all with the Worms and the Wall and the Conflict Symbols to collect. To me it adds too much unpredictability and therefore randomness, so I'd rather play Dune Imperium if not for the 6-Players mode.
Putting aside that this is a whole new game for some minor changes, I don't think that they are improving the game. It more looks like throwing more random stuff (I was not a fan of the intrigues of the base also as they can swing the entire game). The CHOAM boards will benefit the earlier players in the play order, the bonus point for conflict matching a random card, worms that can give you 4 points in one round (4 out of 10 is huge)... I'm not fond of the spies as well as they make blocking a space less valuable. Based on this review I'll stick to the base + ix + immo.
After getting the expansions for DI, I will pass on this. Kind of disappointed with the short lifetime of this game. Will remember in the future that this publisher drops games without maturing the system and that is worth enjoying other games and waiting till they have their game developed. Prefer how Spirit Island keeps adding modular expansion with new islands and spirits
Maybe the incredible designer shouldn't have taken 2 expansions and a version 1.5 to get to the game he wanted. Just as many fans will be feeling scammed as excited by this.
What!? The board is much better. The planet behind is much more detailed and their is a lot more detailed around the board with the wall and everything.
@@ChaBox998 there are so many games that focus on an “appealing” looking board and then they have zero depth to the actual gameplay. This board does exactly what it needs to facilitate interesting gameplay
I saw Dune Imperium on clearance for $16 at Target a few months back. I don't care it so I gave it a big "meh" and left it on the shelf. I think it ended up being my most disliked CZcams Shorts video. Imagine disliking the fact that I left something behind for someone else to find? 😂
I will also qualify this that I did something similar with Everdell, but that's because I thought the base game was just OK, and the expansions are all really expensive.
less battle,, more complex means harder to teach,and the worms! u dont wanna see those many on the board XD and yes a cash grab, no thanks,the board is nice tho
Yeah I’m trying, but I can’t see this as any more than a cash grab. This didn’t need a whole new game and could’ve been a piece out in a cheaper expansion IMO
And that's part of the issue. It's better. The reviews are telling us it's better. So if you've bought the base game, 2 expansions (one of which came out not that long ago) and maybe even deluxe components it feels pretty a pretty cheap move. The board, if you glanced at it looks the same. It's a cash grab because many people who love the game will end up buying this (I won't be one) when Dire Wolf already had a chunk of their money because they know it's better. Greed pure and simple.
@@bearhustler not really. The base game and expansions are still amazing. Play those, then next time play this one then go back to the original and so on. The board isn’t the same at all, there are so many different ways to play with how the spaces have changed. The only people who think it is basically the same board are those who probably didn’t even play the original much. So should we never get new versions of games then? You people are weird as hell. The original is still one of the best games ever made, this doesn’t change that. When a sequel comes out to a new movie and is better than the first do you get mad and say the new one ruined the first because it is better and it would have been better if we just didn’t get the new movie?
The expansions are compatible, lol they have done everything possible to improve significantly the game and not make you lose the value acquired... You can also still use the upgraded components, they are all the same...
Pieced out how exactly? Uprising has: a new double sided board, new imperium deck/conflict cards/intrigue cards, new pieces for worms/spies/maker hooks/shield wall, 6 player mode, new House Hagal deck/Rivals, 9 new leaders, CHOAM contract tiles (as well as CHOAM tiles for IX). So that leaves: agent/troop/control marker/alliance tokens and starting player cards as repeats from the original DI. You think leaving out those bits would have made this much cheaper? Personally, I think it's a pretty good deal.
In trying to imitate Rhado and his style, you've lost your originality and thoughts... All I heard was 13 min of waffle unfortunately. This has been my complaint with Shea, just be yourself and less like someone else...'cos in trying to focus on style, you lost out on substance...
“We need to release another Dune game for the next movie coming out. What should we have in it?”
“Well, it’s a Dune game, so we need to make sure it has spice.”
“Got it. I’ll be sure to put some spies in it.”
The big question for me is how the 2 expansion mix with Uprising. I’ve got both, have ‘em mixed in and really enjoy what they add to OG Dune. BUT I can see them not being as optimized for Uprising . A follow up video would be very much appreciated that discusses how the 2 expansions work (pros/cons) and what the comparison is like for OG Dune with expansion vs. Uprising with expansions.
Please do a video/"review" about how well the game works with the expansions. Because it sounds better than the original box but i really want to know if it's better than original box+exp 1/2!
Just read the rule book. It seems a bit fiddle to include the expansions, but it's not as bad as I expected. Gameplay wise I'm also interested and can't wait to try it on TTS. Not so sure I will buy the game as I'm not to happy with the whole practice around this game.
This is such a tough one for me. I just got into DI in the last year and feel pretty conflcted about DIU. I really wish they had made a standalone version for newcomers and an upgrade pack at a discounted price for veterans. 😢
So include the leaders, cards, token, combat cards, worm pieces, and tiles to cover the board spaces? That just sounds like the entire game.
@@Noobwater Don't need all the wooden pieces...
Agreed. I mentioned this in their review. I don't want to give them money because I don't like this practice. I get stand alone expansions and 2.0 but this is too soon . Black Rose Wars just did the same thing. If this game does well I guarantee that more games will do it.
I would like to see this too but I won't hold my breath. I know it can be done, Concordia came out with the new Concordia Venus version but also did it as an expansion for those who already had the original game.
This is an expansion that includes everything needed to play (hence the reason for calling this a standalone expansion).
It can be integrated with the base game and all previous expansions.
The duplicate content is quite minimal (starting 10 card player deck, player cubes, resources, 4x alliances, worm starting token) and having a separate SKU for this might be just as costly to players due to losing the discount of manufacturing in bulk.
I think the online community has influenced this version. The TTS crowd played the ever loving crap out of the original and expansions in very short period of time and direwolf is very in tune with their feedback. In some ways this services the dune addicts who play in the huge online tournaments more than the casuals who happen to have dune on their shelf.
Agreed. And the good thing about board games is that a new “version” doesn’t make yours obsolete.
Nice job Roy! I too am a proponent of upgrade packs for owners of a base game, however, in this instance I feel like the Uprising stand alone has so much new stuff it does not make sense to offer one. Other than the basic resources, agents, cubes and few other minor pieces, the entire game is new. I am happy that Rise of IX and Immortality are compatable plus my Dune Imperium Deluxe upgrade works as well.
Hi would you be able to share a video or photo of how you made both expansions plus uprising fit the upgrade box? Thanks!
Let’s see how long dune imperium stays in print ! Once that happens and uprising stays in print you know it’s a direct replacement
You're sure of that ?
Just a weird product in my eyes. It feels like it comes to early in the life cycle of Dune Imperium, although I understand it from a financial perspective.
From reading the rules and watching some videos I don't really feel like this is a big enough improvement as it stands. But I would love to be wrong here and will definitely try it on TTS.
I already have Dune Imperium, both expansions, plus the premium components. It's one of my favorite games, but I probably won't pick this one up unless I snag it on the cheap months down the road. But I'm still not sure it's necessary, it's kind of just a remix of the first game without bringing anything new of consequence.
Saying it doesn't bring anything new of consequence seems pretty counter to what we heard in the review, where the new mechanics were pretty well-received.
I didn't buy DI, because my game group already has a copy of it. but I think this one has some interesting changes (improvements???) and additions. Being able to mix in some of the original game in is also a plus in my book. Thanks for doing this comparison. I think it was needed because I probably would have just ignored DI: Uprising as just another expansion pack
A Cash Grab? Maybe. Was Twilight Imperium 4 a cash grab? Same principle, really. Take a game, change some of the mechanics, add some new features and call it a day.
It was also 12 years between TI editions, not 2
@@violentfrog_I wonder what the play count would be, though. I suspect Dune Imperium might have more players who have played one or more game of it in 2 years than TI3 had in 10+. So if you’re going to improve a base game, you need player feedback to know what would be best. I think that feedback was available for this one pretty quickly.
I appreciate it, Roy, that you took the time to make this video, but I'm 10 minutes in and all I'm seeing is they fixed or balanced out the first edition of the game. Spies balance the Influence tracks, Worms incentivize players getting involved in Conflicts, Leaders... there are more of them. It all just shouts, "Grab the leaders from the base game, put 'em in this box, get rid of everything else."
Honestly wondering why anyone would play the OG game now?
@@ilqrd.6608 Uprising has not convinced me at all with the Worms and the Wall and the Conflict Symbols to collect. To me it adds too much unpredictability and therefore randomness, so I'd rather play Dune Imperium if not for the 6-Players mode.
Uprising has not convinced me at all with the Worms and the Wall and the Conflict Symbols to collect. To me it adds too much unpredictability and therefore randomness, so I'd rather play Dune Imperium if not for the 6-Players mode..
@@user-jp3fh5yh6gNot really unpredictable, just more strategic, just got off from playing a game, I was at 6 VP, while my GF was at 9, in a single round, I jumped all the way to 11 VP. Only to still lose to a couple of intrigues she had saved up. Keep in mind, each of our master plans was thought out mid-game, so I wasn’t falling behind, I was revving up. There’s definitely more strategies you can plan around with in this game.
I will wait for the new version next year.
Dune was ranked my number one game last year. I'm struggling to think that I need to buy the new version. Thanks for the video.
You don't. Best game for me, but this is DI v1.1. Small features.
I still feel there is a whole lot of game left in Dune Imperium with the two expansions for me and my group. I don't feel like I need or want this game.
What's DI v1.1? Where can I find it?@@YoSo14
Most importantly thanks for doing an amazing and thorough overview Roy!
I hate to add to the fire in the comments- DI is one of my favorite games of all time but this game looks amazing and even better in almost everyway but lack of acknowledgment from Dire Wolf to the address the easy solution of upgrade pack which other games have done a number of times has really upset me. Not to mention that the last expansion has been out for less than a year. We want people to innovate - yet the lack of recognition for a 1.5 is quite brothersome. To clarify, I love my well loved copy - I have played nearly 50 times and it doesn't diminish my love or admiration for everything so far. Yet asking for a full game price when it could easily reduce waste, cost and frustration with an upgraded pack- a replacement board, cards, and a few other components as an option for previous fans is beyond me. I will definitely pick up Uprising second hand for a reduced price but I am not supporting this behavior of companies directly.
I just dont even think an upgrade pack would be much cheaper though. Like its basically just the wooden cubes and a few card board tokens that are duplicated no? I understand the sentiment but would a $50 upgrade pack make that much of a difference?
@@AleksandarDaGr8 that is a fair point- but I think it would. $ 40 or even $45 - I think would be fair and most importantly acknowledgment to people and fans who already put some money into it. And again the later point is the most important, recognition and communication means alot- just putting a product especially a 1.5 matters - I think you can see that with all of the comments. But thanks for reading my comment- always happy to discuss.
You know what makes this ok? It’s on retail pre order for a mere 45 bucks. This game is very fairly priced. If you bought this as an expansion you would like pay 29 bucks so really the difference here is negligible
thank you! for not defending this cash grab garbage
It should also be worth mentioning that the designers wanted a way to design an expansion that built on what they have learned of the game after several years of people playing it without creating more complexity to the already growingky hefty game. The obvious way to answer that is to redesign the game from the ground up and make the same game with notable improvements offering an alternative way to play.
I think this is a valid point. Having played Dune Imperium 5 times now with a friends copy and really liking it, ive decided to pre-order uprising
If I don't have the original and get Uprising, which would be the most recommnded to also add: Ix, the original game, Immortality or do these have only a minor impact?
Excellent. We need more Roy. Nice Job
Its very frustrating to hear over and over and over and over again about the house blend of imperium decks but never really getting the official list from the designer or what factors went into it. How many tries of me fumbling to mix cards from previous set/expansion with this one until I get a balance/thematic deck. I guess mixing my own house blend is a pre-game now.
It seems completely half baked tbh and done only to further aggravate players
Waiting till' Imperium Uprising gets translated in my country, the only thing i worry is the price...
Dune Imperium has a price a little bit more than Terraforming Mars (just to compare), which makes sense.
But still, Uprising brings so much new content that makes me worried that it will be way too much expensive
Is a redesign of something that didn't need it? I'm so confused by this one...
its just a cash grab, did they remove the dreadnoughts?if so they shouldve included it to this version, maybe u can play ix with this?, or another cash grab on the way
It's like a sequel to the first one , same as a movie or book really.
@@TpDgreatyou can incorporate the expansion content into this game
@@shanedbuntingI love Dune Imperium. I love Dune. But how is comparison even supposed to work in board games? Other than the whole "it's mainly for the money" perspective that sequels nowadays follow.
@@Polskimg shield wall, it seems to me to be very much a game based , the way the first game was based , on its corresponding movie. So because there are movies and books involved in this example I find it easier to see . But was the the first and this game based on Original IP I would look for similar or the same gameplay with "upgrades" or fixes and most importantly to qualify for sequel status a continuation of the story conceit or lore of the game . With the addition of the shield wall on the gameboard and in this instance what I know of the movies and books , also changing available leaders makes this a sequel for me.
Thanks for sharing. That helps me A LOT in determining whether I want the 'new version'.
Don't see a reason to own this if you have the original + deluxe kit. I want the new leaders and Worms, but the rest of the content is what we already have with a slight twist. I wish they'd make an upgrade pack for the thousands of us that bought the first but it's clear they want you to own two versions of this game Everdell Farshore style. Easy pass.
Thanks for the comparison. If I didn't already have DI then I'd buy DIU, but I see no reason to get it.
Dire Wolf Digital recently put a listing for the digital version of Dune Imperium on Steam, slated to be released Q4 2023, which is technically now. Will Uprising get a release as well? Will it be a separate title, DLC, or a patch? How DWD treats the digital release might hint at what their future plans are for the original Dune Imperium.
I understand the comments below about “cash grab” - but I think someone else nailed it. For some game groups Dune Imp has become a “lifestyle” game and rather than playing a lot of different games they play this one with expansions. This module add with six players, and variants allows the lifestyle gamers to delve deeper into their game expierence. For others they can choose which to get, or not get the new one. Just replayed the OG before seeing the movie tomorrow. It is an awesome game and I am not missing the new one at all. But I understand where folks who play it every week want more of the same but a little different, meanwhile my game group may choose to move on play some Earth or Heat or something, and get this out a few times a year. It does seem they provided a different experience for a certain type of gamer who had some issues with some of the board spaces.
Thanks Roy for the overview.
Dune: Imperium is my number 1 game and has been since it came out, and is the only game I’ve given a 10 to so far.
What you described in this video, and what you all talked about in the group review, has convinced me enough. I may not get it right away, as I might play the first one a bit more before having this tempting game staring at me from my shelf. I have a feeling I’ll want to play nothing other then this, when I do eventually get it.
Thanks so much Roy, and Tom, Chris and Joey. Your opinions and thoughts helped sway me.
Hello! TY for the video. My group playes many games like Eclipse, TFMars, BTSun, SWRebellion etc but we never did appreciate Dune. Can't explain why ... Wooden cubes game? ... Feeling more like an Eurogame than a great thematic space opera? Maybe we'll give another try with this one?
You should, it's great!
I love DI, and when they annouced this I was excited...at first. Seeing this overview, and reading comments online, this isn't for me. We play DI and I really enjoyed it, but I don't need to get a whole new version of essentially the same game. I know that there are improvements and modifications to this one to make it "better" but as a casual player of DI I don't need any of that. As others have said, if there was an update pack or something along those lines then sure, but right now it just feels like they're trying to milk Dune and don't really care if they screw over owners of DI in the process.
Strange how this game is getting the Everdell Farshoe backlash when that was actually a half baked cash grab, and this game has a huge amount of new content, and new mechanisms. It looks like all of the twice-burned Kickstarter crowd can't quite aim their vitriol at the correct targets.
Have had an unplayed copy of original imperium on my shelf for a few years now, not really sure what to do with it. 😬 I was thinking of just keeping DI for now and using it to introduce people to the game assuming it's a little simpler to learn and then getting DIU if we enjoy it enough... even if DIU seems to be the superior game.
Those objective cards with rabbits an daggers on them look absolutely awful. Seriously looks like placeholder art wtf
Any insight into whether or not base game plays better with the expansions than adding them to DI: Uprising?
Yeah, i would also really like to see this.
For some reason seeing fingers with multicolored nail polish pointing to multicolored tokens is oddly confusing.
…why disturbing?
Chris Tyson
Not confusing at all. Mesaage is well send and received 😂. Dude came out of closet.
I have DI with both expansions, the deluxe upgrade box, and all promos. I also preordered Uprising. Am i annoyed? Yes. But i understand the designer needs to iterate. Another expansion to the base game would have overbloated it. Let's be honest, Uprising is a direct replacement to DI. You can Frankenstein a copy of both games but it was not the designer's original intention for Uprising and any effort to do so is just to appease the folks who have DI. Uprising is a stand-alone improvement to DI taking into account almost 3 years of feedback with significant tournament/competitive play. I'm assuming the expansions for DI won't integrate seamlessly with Uprising and expect expansions for Uprising in the future.
I want to sell DI but the only problem is that I threw away the base box and have everything in the deluxe box. Maybe i'll put it in the Uprising box and give it away.
Wish we could see how this works with the expansions.. is it covering up lots of new spaces? Does having cards from those expansions water down the new cards? Etc.
Just play this as it’s own thing and then go back to the original + expansions when you want to switch it up
@@mitchellp7739 yea but they said this is compatible. I’d like to see how
@@KMReviews it is but it will probably play better on its own and then with whatever new expansions will come specifically for it. Best way to play will be to leave the original as is since it’s already amazing and play this as it’s own thing. Who knows how the new game will be balanced if you dilute the deck and add things like dreadnoughts and the research track
@@mitchellp7739 I get that. I’m just saying they are putting out all these videos on comparisons. Show how it is with the expansions so I can decide if it’s worth it or kot
@@KMReviews it is worth it even without the expansions so if you liked the first you will like this one. Adding the expansions wouldn’t change the fact that this one is worth it even without them
The question of which to buy Dune Imperium or Dune Imperium Uprising will ultimately be answered the same way as TI3 vs TI4
How was that handled?
I know I'm getting flak for defending this product, but the term "cash grab" makes it sound like they are making a bad product, which from the review it sounds like they are not. . . I mean I definitely see how it would be nice if it were an upgrade pack, but this new version doesn't diminish the worth of your original copy. . .
If I was going to play Rise of Ix with Uprising, I would only replace the CHOAM half of the board with the uprising version. Otherwise you're reverting the improved Lansdrad Council zone to what it was in classic Dune: Imperium.
I have a fully decked out, deluxified version of dune imperium with both expansions and custom inserts for the deluxe box so everything fits in it nicely.
I’m still excited for Uprising and was a day one pre-order for me!
Same, deluxe box + many Etsy upgrades. Just got my copy and conflicted with how to optimize storage + setup
I love this guys pronunciation of the dune terms
Great and very much needed video. Some small things: "Foldspace" not "folded space (it's like "hyperspace" from star wars idea). Spice Must Flow is different by being a Spacing Guild card allowing for some synergies - but that's a super small detail.
Smuggler's Heaven seems broken AF. A field that gives 4 spice with an effect that gives 4 spice? Sure, 3 water, but that is a super easy resource mill for VP - and it gives you water access through Spacing Guild icon. Broken OP card.
6 player mode really feels to me like a tack-on. It is so niche I'm not sure how much of a wasted resource that is. Nothing wrong with people enjoying it, though.
Great comparison thank you !
I missed the part where you explained what the wall does...
Prevents worms from participanting in those 3 named areas on the conflict cards
Harsh comment section out here- ill just say i think dune: imperium is impressive game design, and in the era of literal cash grabs from kickstarter craze, its hard to determine if you "need" the new thing.
As someone who loved original d:i, im excited to play uprising, the next movie's take on deckbuilding & worker placement combo.
If youre happy with d:i, great. If you want more, guess what? D:i uprising is coming out soon!
Someone else was never gonna tell me how i should spend my money anyway 😂 take it easy
No one is telling you to do anything. Agree/disagree, they are just expressing their dissatisfaction (which will hopefully discourage this behavior from Dire Wolf and other publishers).
It's a FACT that 2 expansions came out in 2022, making me (and many others) feel like suckers for this patched DI game to come out now.
Mindless completionists and people who haven't jumped in will love this...but loyal customers who have bought everything are understandably annoyed right now.
Dominion/Unmatched expansions enhance everything else you already own...and even when Dominion finally came out with 2nd editions (EIGHT years after their original release), they were considerate enough to release affordable Update Packs for loyal customers. Hell, even King of Tokyo/King of New York/King of Monster Island was handled in a way that considered their loyal fans. That feels good. This doesn't.
@@adamg4912 interesting that you and i can have the same experience of getting the original dune:imperium and each of its expansions, yet you tell me you feel like a sucker and i must say, i do not
So, Uprising mainly adds a lot of convoluted rules and changes up things that were very good. I really don't like this new version!
Too much nonsense just to force a version for the second movie and to sell another copy for high price.
I bought my Dune Imperium recently, still new in-seal 😑. Now I want the new one.
I wonder if this game could be a big box with a bunch of new overlay tiles, cards and other stuff so that people could mix all things up, creating all kinds of crazy variations. Like a Dune Maker Game.
It looks like the same game, same mechanics, same theme, same tokensand different cards. As a casual gamer i dont think it is worth getting this one. I mean i already have a similar game.
Of the new heroes, Princess Irulan seems to be the most busted to play. Basically let’s you trash a card from your hand unconditionally when you play the signet ring and get spice for doing it.
So with her you can run a very tight deck but for her to be good you need strong cards. If the imperium row doesn’t give you good cards she might struggle. Her passive is also quite nice if you are able to get cards that let you juggle influence on the factions.
FYI, the Spice Must Flows are not exactly the same as base game. In Uprising, they count as Spacing Guild cards which can come up sometimes. In base they have no tag.
When Unmatched Adventures came out which is completely NEW and COOPERATIVE but fully compatible with all the Unmatched content you have, that FEELS GOOD.
This doesn't feel good for loyal customers that have bought every Dune product that has come out...
thank you! for not defending this cash grab garbage
Any end-game scoring in this new version?
The first Dune game is way more than the first movie. Theres characters and allusions to all kinds of Dune stuff in that game. Even the trash Brian Herbert novels. That's just what they're saying because they knew a new sku would be more profitable than another Expansion. This could have just been a big expansion. I mean it kind of is.
Really well done, thank you.
They're shutting down the servers for Original Dune Imperium so you won't have access to multiplayer play anymore.
Are you talking about TTS ? If so that sucks...
Sorry this is a complete joke to mock people thinking their original copy is now worthless
@@MalcolmReviews
@@MalcolmReviewsthey're making a joke - tts doesn't work like that
Honestly though, that's a real problem with GAAS (games as a service). It's actually killing games. It's destroying gaming history. It's preventing anyone, including future generations, to ever experience those games again.
@@lastburning I'm confused... What's being used as GAAS? This game doesn't exist in a digital format...
Why was the uprising board an option to buy ?
Would love to see how it works with the first two expansions
Are they making new expansions for this version and a deluxe version. I wish they would make a version that isn't meeples and cubes. I really want to give this a shot. Would've been perfect for KS.
Releasing a second game that's largely the same as the first seems like a money grab to me.
Did they rebalance the intrigue cards?
Thank you for doing this. I looked a bit online and it's filled with disappointed people and no one REALLY saying what is different. A different board and different cards with some added stuff....I think that is a great thing.
If I don't have any version and want to buy Uprising, do I need expansions from the first box?
If you want… you don`t need, but you can use them if you like to have larger cars pool and more options.
I feel worms are a bit overpowered, doubling a double VP just makes the game all about the combat, if you build for a spice must flow card victory or something you've got no chance.
Love the comparison of dominion and dominion intrigue! Clever comparison!
Thanks for doing this while pre-orders are still active!
call me cynical but this could have been an expansion with a double-sided board replacing the original, and the new cards+leaders. Obviously if you can milk a successful series with new versions every couple of years, why not...
How much cheaper would it have really been? Not much id say and now people who are new can just get this if theyd like. I have everything Dune Imperium even the big box and it sucks for me but i understand whyd theyd do it like this. Its basically a stand alone expansion to a great game. Many games have done that in the past
@AleksandarDaGr8 except it is a side-spansion, only partially compatible with existing expansions, and only a few components can be carried over from the original box, so idk. Definitely a good entry point, but if I had all content for base game and expansions I'd be mad
@@notsaved I have the base game and expansions and I'm not mad at all. I look forward to more variation in my Dune Imperium collection.
I might have missed it, did Roy cover what the gate does?
it prevents anyone using Worms in conflicts in Arakeen, Spice Refinery, and Imperial Basin. Once the wall is destroyed, anyone can use worms in conflicts in those areas. You destroy the wall from Sietch Tabr - maybe there's an intrigue card that could do it too
In this new version is possible a familiar or lighter game mode?
In complexity about the Same. The new one a little but more complex… the spyes and stand worms, but the difference is not a big one.
As someone that was interested in the first game, but never got to it, this just makes it confusing. I’ll wait until there is a second edition where they decide what is the best way from both versions and the expansions and put it altogether that way in a few years.
"Waiting" is actually brilliant because they just showed a bit of shadiness in how they release products. If I knew this was coming out, I wouldn't have bought the expansions and I would've sold the original DI.
So from now with Dire Wolf, I'll wait several years before jumping into any of their games so that I can get the best/final version of them rather than the BETA tests.
Appreciate the effort, Roy :)
Well.. I for one will buy this as I never bought the first one
It’s a good place to be in. If I had known this was coming out I would have never bought the first one.
@@uplift-yourdailypickup6424 Uprising has not convinced me at all with the Worms and the Wall and the Conflict Symbols to collect. To me it adds too much unpredictability and therefore randomness, so I'd rather play Dune Imperium if not for the 6-Players mode.
Uprising has not convinced me at all with the Worms and the Wall and the Conflict Symbols to collect. To me it adds too much unpredictability and therefore randomness, so I'd rather play Dune Imperium if not for the 6-Players mode.
I’ll get it in a decade, I have the OG with IX, I’ll get immortal expansion and hold off on this until it’s on sale or I find DI too boring to play
Great, I'm in.
Nice nails brah!
Thanks for showing the game in more depth. Pumped for the new cards and spaces!
This i exactly what I want from a game system I love! Same game but different!
It i just like with 18xx games. Tou want the same, but different. To change it up a bit now and then.
This i the way!
“Stitch….tabbar” heh. Dune fans in shambles
Two expansions in one year and a 2.0 straight after seems more Magic The Gathering than a board game. I am not against this but they need to better support competitive play then.
Dangit man you cut off the cards section. Was hoping to see an appearance of Hasimir Fenring, but alas it looks like he was cut from the movie, which is a real sham and shame. I love Margo taking a bigger role, but cutting Hasimir altogether is NO BUENO. :( However, TY Roy for this content!
Agreed, I was oddly looking forward to his secret humming code.
They could honestly just release a vinyl sticker pack with some cards. Charge $20 and call it a day. This is too much.
How about both options? A new game for people jumping in and an affordable update pack for people who have been fans from the beginning. That would be a nice gesture and you'd avoid the negative feelings a lot of DI players have right now (especially after buying 2 pricey expansions LAST YEAR!)
People in the comments calling this a cash grab didnt watch the video. The game is a back bone improvement of the original with new mechanics layered onto the original game.
As far as a cash grab - nobody is asking you to buy this game. But let me ask - do you consider Ticket To Ride Europe and Germany to just be Cash grabs?
That's a false comparison.
If you've gone all-in on Dune Imperium, which have most recently come out and they release this which is an entirely new game and can only be mixed together in a very clunky way, it's only great if you've bought NOTHING so far.
I see many condescending/snarky replies like "yOu're nOT foRceD to BuY iT--YoU cAn StILL pLaY YouR gAmeS!!!" but that misses the point. We WANT to buy more Dune content and we WANT to play the newest Dune content...
When Unmatched Adventures came out which is NEW and COOPERATIVE but fully compatible with all the Unmatched content you have, that FEELS GOOD. This doesn't feel good for loyal customers.
@@adamg4912 nah dude it's just like Ticket To Ride which nobody complains about
Wish they would have just designed this as an expansion that added worms, a new board, and a few cards to add 2nd half Dune flavor. As is I will skip it.
Really weird for me that all people say that this is 'cash grab' blablabla... I already got DUNE and I Love it. I see the new one that better, so its obvious choice right? I m gonna sell my old one then buy this, Its easy!!!
Hey
I really liked your video, but I find it very confusing.
Is there anyway you could do a really clear list of the differences between the two games and how they impact gaemplay?
At the moment it seems A LOT has changed and it is not just a tweak of some kind.
Many thanks
I'm not gonna call it a cash grab because it appears to be just as fun as the original while having new mechanics and the creators seem genuinely passionate about the game. i will call it a silly use of development hours and a silly attitude towards the people who already bought and enjoyed the game and are now being forced to feel like they have to pick one or the other.
Exactly. It's not a "cash grab" it's just very inconsiderate of how loyal fans will feel. When Dominion Second Edition came out (8 years later, mind you), they released Update Packs and that's a nice gesture to people who supported you from the beginning.
We found that the worms made the game a bit uninteresting. For us the original Dune: Imperium had one thing that was really great: A very tight game where every point really mattered and there were several ways to win - especially when you added the expansions. In the new version you can get so many points for a single combat that worms and combat skew everything into a single playstyle (if you want to win). That impacts the value of cards in the offering as now only combat truly matters, while in original Dune: Imperium you would see players going for different cards, combos, and setups.
The spies initially sounds like a good idea but it's not as interesting as the Infiltration mechanic from Rise of Ix because you can clearly SEE the spies (which just seems dumb). It's a bit of a weird design.
We plan on adding the new leaders without specific Uprising abilities though. We like leaders.
I will just implement into Dune Imperium the 2+ visits to High Council. 5 solari -> council seat (1st usage) and 2 spice + 1 intrigue + 3 troops (afterwards)
I will buy Uprising ONLY for the 6-Players mode which seems to me quite interesting! For 4 or less players at my table I will go on playing Dune Imperium with Rise of Ix and Immortality in Epic Mode with my 73 Leaders and my variant " Strategic Deckbuilding Start: Upgrade Your Starting Deck! "
I am wondering though if it is a good idea to play with both expansions Uprising in 6-players mode? Uprising has not convinced me at all with the Worms and the Wall and the Conflict Symbols to collect. To me it adds too much unpredictability and therefore randomness, so I'd rather play Dune Imperium if not for the 6-Players mode.
Feels like if you have Dune Imperium and the expansions there's literally no reason to jump into this "new" one.
That's not quite true. If you have DI and the expansions and you're completely satisfied with them then you might not want to jump to the new one. But everyone talking about this game seems to be saying that the new version embodies very useful patches that improve the game. The improvements might be subtle. But they're apparently noticeable enough that in the other DT discussion of the two, Roy said he wouldn't be playing the original any more because he likes the new one better. Which definitely doesn't sound like there's "literally no reason"
@@ronaldbell7429 For me when I have invested so much in the original there's no reason for me to buy into the second one for some slight upgrades. If I sold off my original maybe but that's the only way.
Uprising has not convinced me at all with the Worms and the Wall and the Conflict Symbols to collect. To me it adds too much unpredictability and therefore randomness, so I'd rather play Dune Imperium if not for the 6-Players mode.
Just got anachrony with expansion and I won't even bother with this game anymore
Uprising is actually very good for non casual !
Putting aside that this is a whole new game for some minor changes, I don't think that they are improving the game. It more looks like throwing more random stuff (I was not a fan of the intrigues of the base also as they can swing the entire game). The CHOAM boards will benefit the earlier players in the play order, the bonus point for conflict matching a random card, worms that can give you 4 points in one round (4 out of 10 is huge)... I'm not fond of the spies as well as they make blocking a space less valuable. Based on this review I'll stick to the base + ix + immo.
After getting the expansions for DI, I will pass on this. Kind of disappointed with the short lifetime of this game. Will remember in the future that this publisher drops games without maturing the system and that is worth enjoying other games and waiting till they have their game developed. Prefer how Spirit Island keeps adding modular expansion with new islands and spirits
This game is compatible with previous expansion content...
You can just say "cash grab"...
Maybe the incredible designer shouldn't have taken 2 expansions and a version 1.5 to get to the game he wanted. Just as many fans will be feeling scammed as excited by this.
@@bearhustlerwait you are forced to buy this? Does the original game combust and get destroyed if you don’t buy this?
Not at all but, to return to the original poster, it feels like cash grab.
Take my money
@@bearhustler but it looks better than the original in pretty much every way so how is that a cash grab?
They didn’t even fix the artwork…stuff like this makes me so mad. Cash Grab from a greedy company
The board looks so boring tbh
Agreed, they should've hired someone to redesign the board to make it more appealing.
@@nurseruben5431good thing the actual game is more interesting and fun than most other games with “cool and exciting” looking boards
What!? The board is much better. The planet behind is much more detailed and their is a lot more detailed around the board with the wall and everything.
@@ChaBox998 there are so many games that focus on an “appealing” looking board and then they have zero depth to the actual gameplay. This board does exactly what it needs to facilitate interesting gameplay
I can’t wait!!!!
I saw Dune Imperium on clearance for $16 at Target a few months back. I don't care it so I gave it a big "meh" and left it on the shelf. I think it ended up being my most disliked CZcams Shorts video. Imagine disliking the fact that I left something behind for someone else to find? 😂
I sold the original because they kept releasing those expansions that fix the base game. wonder how this one will hold up
Wait so the release of expansions made the base game worse?
No, base game got better with expansions
@@ayyyota I think you're right, but by them being released does the base game just become worse?
I will also qualify this that I did something similar with Everdell, but that's because I thought the base game was just OK, and the expansions are all really expensive.
less battle,, more complex means harder to teach,and the worms! u dont wanna see those many on the board XD and yes a cash grab, no thanks,the board is nice tho
Being harder to teach isn’t a negative. We don’t need more mindless board games that my grandma can play
Yeah I’m trying, but I can’t see this as any more than a cash grab. This didn’t need a whole new game and could’ve been a piece out in a cheaper expansion IMO
Cash grabs typically aren’t better than the original product so it looks like you need to get your eyes checked
And that's part of the issue. It's better. The reviews are telling us it's better. So if you've bought the base game, 2 expansions (one of which came out not that long ago) and maybe even deluxe components it feels pretty a pretty cheap move. The board, if you glanced at it looks the same. It's a cash grab because many people who love the game will end up buying this (I won't be one) when Dire Wolf already had a chunk of their money because they know it's better. Greed pure and simple.
@@bearhustler not really. The base game and expansions are still amazing. Play those, then next time play this one then go back to the original and so on. The board isn’t the same at all, there are so many different ways to play with how the spaces have changed. The only people who think it is basically the same board are those who probably didn’t even play the original much.
So should we never get new versions of games then? You people are weird as hell. The original is still one of the best games ever made, this doesn’t change that. When a sequel comes out to a new movie and is better than the first do you get mad and say the new one ruined the first because it is better and it would have been better if we just didn’t get the new movie?
The expansions are compatible, lol they have done everything possible to improve significantly the game and not make you lose the value acquired... You can also still use the upgraded components, they are all the same...
Pieced out how exactly? Uprising has: a new double sided board, new imperium deck/conflict cards/intrigue cards, new pieces for worms/spies/maker hooks/shield wall, 6 player mode, new House Hagal deck/Rivals, 9 new leaders, CHOAM contract tiles (as well as CHOAM tiles for IX). So that leaves: agent/troop/control marker/alliance tokens and starting player cards as repeats from the original DI. You think leaving out those bits would have made this much cheaper? Personally, I think it's a pretty good deal.
In trying to imitate Rhado and his style, you've lost your originality and thoughts... All I heard was 13 min of waffle unfortunately. This has been my complaint with Shea, just be yourself and less like someone else...'cos in trying to focus on style, you lost out on substance...
Cash grab. 😂
Killer nails, love it.