Simulated FBI Barrier Test: 62gr Speer Gold Dot Vs 53gr Hornady V Max
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- In this video, I simulate the FBI Barrier test and try out the Speer 62gr Gold Dot and the Hornady Superperformance 53gr V-Max 223 loads. The test is designed to test out how various loads will perform terminally should someone, law enforcement or civilian, have to engage a target through a barrier.
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Any opinions, advice, or recommendations given in this video are solely the opinion of the individual giving them, not the official stance or position of any other entity, agency or department.
I am not a professional. Not a medical professional, not a ballistics expert. Take everything said with that grain of salt.
Isn't the vmax a varmint round? Weird comparing it to the gold dots.
See? This is logical thinking. However, there are a lot of people that use the vmax round for self defense. That's why I did this.
@@TheKalkara131 That's so weird for me to wrap my head around using an actual varmint round for a life or death situation. I guess people use these due to a severe lack of knowledge when it comes terminal ballistics. The human anatomy is a resilient beast.... Using something ment for critters that weigh a max of 100ibs for defense just seems very wrong. Honestly, I'm also tired of seeing the "over penetration" myth being perpetuated so widely, especially with all the different data points, "just like your video", and many other great examples that counter the penetration argument more than soundly..... Even with typical fmj rounds, if you hit your target the chances of the bullet still having enough energy to actually puncture human skin is practically nill
@@TheKalkara131Would be interesting to see a SD headshot simulation. I guess shallow penetration and high velocity is more advantageous in that scenario.
I got the 34 grain for home defense @@TheKalkara131
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62gr gold dot did well, too bad it is under velocity by 300 fps. I think Hornady 55gr sp is also an excellent choice for a duty (barrier blind) round.
While the 53gr vmax does not penetrate very well, it does cause massive wounds. Based on the coroners reports I have seen, it can make extremity and upper torso injuries extremely severe, similar to #4 buckshot. You might not strike a vital organ and get an immediate stop, however you will cause exsanguination if the target does not receive immediate care. I would only recommend it to people who want/need to use 5.56 and do not want penetration through walls (i.e. apartments).
Without an immediate stop, what damage can the target do in return before exsanguination?
@@MeMadeItprobably not a lot if said attacker receives 3-5 rounds to the center mass and/or extremities
Interesting because I #4 buckshot penetrates pretty good, better than VMAX rounds.
@@mattwalters6834 Depends on velocity, target, distance, clothing, barriers etc.
Completely naked with no obstructions directly in front of the barrel, yes.
Short barrel, heavy clothing, distance, maybe or maybe not.
Also depends on shot type or plating, pattern and number of pellets.
@@bobsagetbillboard1876 99% of people will fail to put "3-5 rounds to the center mass and/or extremities" on a moving target returning fire.
Another good video Kalkara. I love watching these..
I wouldn’t take a fragmenting varmint round to battle, but I have no hesitation keeping it loaded for home defense. With 30 rounds and the speed at which I can shoot, every shot is going to dump its entire energy into the bad guy while ripping apart huge swaths of flesh, bone, and muscle. All it takes is for one fragment to reach the heart too. And you don’t rely on head shots, but a Vmax to the dome will.. 🤯
Such a detailed and extensive video. Wonderfully done.
Thank you for running a scientifically legitimate test. I am running the 60 gr VMAX currently.
@@chillmonkey6782 not sure how scientifically legitimate it is, but you're welcome
Awesome stuff man.
Would be interesting to see if the Federal Fusion MSR which uses the same bullet as the 62gr Gold Dot but is loaded significantly hotter would perform better in the auto glass test.
Both rounds are loaded to 223 pressures. Personally I've seen little difference, if any when comparing velocity between the two rounds.
@@TerminalM193why are they loaded to 223 pressures instead of 556? I’m starting my research for SD ammo here.
@@JayyBird93Because the market is bigger
@@stigcc that much bigger to not even offer it? I feel like most with wylde barrels would pick 556
The velocities on that vmax seems low to me. I'm getting 3360FPS avg from a 20" FNA4, you should be getting at least 3250FPS from a 16" barrel.
I took a deer and a feral hog with 53gr vmax last year, DRT instant drop from chest shots but only about 7" of penetration and extreme fragmentation. There was a bigger than golfball size hole in the deer heart but the bullet barely made it that far. All I found was the polymer tip.
I also shot a 150lb feral hog with a 55gr gold dot on a separate occasion and had a double shoulder/leg bone complete passthrough instant drop. Those speer bullets are insanely hard for bonded projectiles, almost hard cast levels of hardness.
Not quite. The rule of thumb is roughly about 50fps=1inch of barrel.. So about 3100 using your data out of a 16inch
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How do you think the standard XM193 ball ammo stacks up against the gold dot? I know that hollow points are usually preferred and that’s why I carry them in my handgun for edc, but the 193 is going around 3100 fps out of a 16 inch barrel compared to the 2600 of the gold dot. That velocity causes a lot of tumbling damage and, unlike a lot of other calibers in fmj, as far as I can tell, it doesn’t, “over penetrate,” which I don’t worry about much anyways since I live in a rural area. The gold dot clearly did VERY well, but a green tip is the same weight as it and it’s going about 3000 fps from a 16 inch. They seem to be loaded just a bit hotter for some reason. I think the 193 is a bit better then green tip tho so that’s why I brought it up first. I’d love to hear your opinion on it tho because I’m debating on what to load my home defense rifle with and I don’t really know if I want to spend the high dollar prices for specialty ammo if it’s not really giving me a benefit because of the lower velocities. I’m basically thinking what’s better here velocity or speed? Great video btw! I’m a new subscriber.
Practicing is the most important thing and when you buy expensive Gold Dot ammo you become hesitant to shoot it up at the range. That's bad.
Go with the M193. M193 penetrates 3/8" steel plates at 100 yards, it causes massive soft tissue damage on living targets because it tumbles and fragments, when properly zeroed it is extremely accurate out to 300 yards and can hit a man sized target out to 500 yards. Also, it is very inexpensive. Which means you can practice a lot with it and that is by far the most important thing.
There is a difference between a premium ammo like the Gold Dot and regular M193 but it's a tiny little difference. What's important to remember is that all of these rifle ammos will absolutely positively destroy whatever/whoever you're shooting at. And also don't forget that many people buy premium ammo because they don't train and they think that if they buy this "magic bullet" it will make up for their lack of training.
@@timrobinson6573 There is more than a tiny difference between a premium bonded bullet and fmj. Its a pretty huge difference especially at longer ranges as fmj will not reliably frag or tumble once it gets below around 2700 fps. m193 is very effective at close range and cheap but still not as good. Practice with fmj and keep a mag or two loaded with something better. Also not sure why speer loads these at such low velocity but you can get fusion msr that is going closer to 2900 and its the exact same bullet. The best option is to reload as you can get these for $20 per 100 and load them up to 3100.
@@Nick-sx6jmI like reloading the 75g gold dots personally and pushing the velocity envelope, heavy for caliber.
@@Nick-sx6jmhow far are you sitting in your house?
VMax is great on coyotes.
People that still use varmint round’s because they are afraid of over penetration 🤦♂️
And you just hit your kid on the other side of the wall good job 🤦
As big a fan as i am of the gold dot, i seriously doubt a 7 inch deep baseball sized hole is going to stop some one in their tracks
Hey man how can I send you some rounds to test I have some ranger bonded federal tbbc and some black hills 50 grain tsx and some Hornady 53 grain gmx barrier
Email thekalkara131@gmail.com and we can talk about it
Windshields are very hard on projectiles the 62 grain tbbc or 64 grain Winchester ranger bonded are best though glass than the gold dot the lead is much harder and the bullets have a solid copper base on the federal tbbc and ranger
I need to get a chrono… i just got 500 62gr soft point and 300 64gr spbt to load. I usually just use water jugs to test expansion 😂
A chrono is a must have for reloaders. You can get one for around 100 bucks and its worth it.
I think it's hilarious that he sounds like he would survive even one shot from the V max. 😂
@@CHAOSTACTICAL I have a lot of padding, so I just may! But, really, in an extreme case, you can't rely on energy transfer, the fear of or pain from getting shot, to stop a threat. It will in most situations, but you can't control how someone will react to it. All you can control is shot placement, and your chosen load penetrating deep enough to poke holes in vital organs. Vmax is less likely than others to do that.
Very good information, thank you.
What build is your GPR? Nice setup!!! I was always under impression that clear gel had more elaselasticity than flash and other gels; other gels were better representations of flesh, not exactly, but close.
14.5 ballistic advantage Hanson barrel, holosun hs512 red dot, primary arms 3x micro magnifier, precision armament efab muzzle device, fail zero bcg, geissele sd-c trigger
As for the gel, yes, synthetic gel is different than organic, and in some ways neither of them are very representative of human tissue. But the problem is, organic gel is a lot more expensive, can't be remelted and reused, has to be kept at a certain temperature and goes bad.
Just found you,looking for a good 223/556 defensive round.thanks for the info,I got some of the Vmax,gold dot and TAP to try for myself. Have you ever thrown a 55 FMJ in the mix or would that just zip through the gell?
What you were saying about rifles needing to penetrate deep enough to hit vital organs I completely agree with you on that! I'd like to see At least 12 inches minimum for me
Nice video. You by chance didn’t catch a velocity of the 53gr did you?
@@cZor if it's not in the video, then probably not. Check my other videos, I tested that 53gr load multiple times. I may have gotten velocity in some of those
@@TheKalkara131 10-4 thanks bud
Thank you much for this info. Do you have a video on rifle painting?
No. I've considered doing one, but I haven't.
11 inches no good 12 that's deadly . 10 inches in is more than enough I've shot with no exit a d 223 worked fine just no exit
Gold Dot!
All the varmet bullets do is mess up your jell.
I swear you're in love with speer they've got to be given you all kinds of ammo just to say they're the best 🤦🏻
Bruh, I WISH they were giving me ammo 😂
@@TheKalkara131 I'm not your Bruh and you need to understand what each bullet is made to do witch you obviously do not!!!!!!
@@frederickmalicki550 witch, wizard
Seriously how much ammo are they giving you?
Nobody is giving me any ammo
7:12 lol so wait ppl are harder than clear balistics gel? Have u ever felt your own gut? Way mkre akin to 10% ordinance gelatin man.
You said doody...
Giggity
Not everyone is 3 feet thick. The "average" person's heart and lungs are less than 4" away from the outer skin. I can understand why _you_ might be concerned with penetration though! 😂
I kinda feel like the ballistics experts and trauma surgeons that worked with the FBI to come up with the standard probably accounted for that! Although, if they ever decide to update it, I'm sure they'll ask you for a consult, badass Mr Based Patriot. You obviously know more than them.
Maybe you have to go through the arm as well
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