I have to admit , I've always been a traditional 1911 guy , and any variation from the original was blastimy ... Especially one in 9mm ...... But. This Staccato P Duo , has been lurking in the back of my mind like a splinter.... Very intrigued. After the holidays , I think I'm going for it .....
Great stuff on the thorough review and I am glad to hear about all the positive feedback on this weapon. I also chose my first double stacked 2011 platform as the Duo P and I am literally waiting for the delivery and looking forward to the hands-on experience.
Great review, fun channel.... SUBBED! I did the academy with a Sig P226, then shot matched with it for a year, made my first master card with it. About that time my single stack 1911 in .45ACP showed up. In spite of the increase in recoil, I shot better with it IMMEDATELY. Better than the gun I had used for matches, practice and carry for over a year! I went on to a bunch more 1911 / 2011 guns and I'm still in love. They are the light of Zartha.
Love mine, only other platforms I enjoy and could compair shootability is 1911, CZ SP01 or Jericho 941. After shooting Glock, Sigs, HKs, CZ, IWI, S&W, Springfield, Colts, the Staccato P with be my keeper and go to along with my ccw carry Springfield Armory 9mm Officer 1911.
I have the Striker Fired Duty Weapon Smith & Wesson M&P 40mm. I also have a Walther P99 QA 40mm, M&P Shield 9mm gen 1. This would be my first in this platform.
To be very honest, it hard for everyone will be subjected when your invested into it by 2k . That applies to me also. 1000 rounds zero malfunction is awesome… thinking about investing in one
I feel your pain (literally) on the beaver tail. I have the P and the C2 and they are punishing if I don’t get my grip just right when shooting. If I really bear down on my grip, it definitely feels better than when I don’t. Usually feel a little tender at the base of my left thumb (lefty shooter) for a day or two after shooting.
Interesting. Thanks for reporting in. I don't get it when shooting, only when carrying concealed. Usually if I'm sitting in a car and I bend to reach for something, that sharp edge will stick me.
The XC is a beast. I have the 2020 P DUO and the XC and the XC makes the P DUO feel like a Glock. Haha. It’s definitely my range toy though as the trigger pulls less than 2 lbs. pick up the chwps plate for your PDUO and that rmr will sit super low in the slide. Deep enough it looks milled even with a plate and cowitness perfectly with the new Dawson .190 fiber sight. Also which safariland is that?
Thanks for the insight! I think I will pickup the CHWPS plate when I'm due for a battery change. I need to find a gunsmith I'll trust to swap the front sight. The Safariland holster is the 6360RDS-1582-781 I plan on doing some videos to help guys get faster on the level 3.
Excellent review. Looking forward to reviews on the MAC DS 1911 aka Turkatto and the APOLLO 11. More reasonably priced double stacks. STACCATO P $2,500 with taxes is expensive and with a plastic trigger? Peace
The thing to watch on a lot of the less expensive options are MIM parts and lack of hand fitting. I've yet to see one of the more affordable options that hasn't had one of those two things. The trigger isn't hard to change on these I've done 4 now and can knock em out in about 2 hours each. Hardest part is getting the safeties off and figuring out where to shave on the trigger bar. Thanks for the feedback, hopefully one of these companies can figure out to bring the cost down. It's not impossible, but it'll eat in to their margins.
im making a 2nd channel before i start posting my staccato experience (pre and post ownership) but i can say the XC is stupid. it feels like youre holding a cheatcode. and i want one this year. ill be picking up a staccato p mostlikely before the month is over. but man let me tell you, that XC ! wow.
This might sound dickish, but shooting and dry firing the gun more will build up the snakebite callus on the web of your thumb. You should really check out the grip service that Extreme Shooters does to reduce and improve the texture on it. Did it to my Staccato P and it's an incredible difference. I have about 4000 rounds through mine and love it. I seriously feel like I'm cheating at the range when I shoot it. Such an incredible pistol.
No offense taken. However I don't get stuck by the gun in my hand, it sticks me in my side when carrying iwb if your comment was in reference to that. It only applies to the beaver tail when it's pushed up against me by an iwb holster.
@sparda1123 Nice 2011, however I'm even more impressed with the IGFS G19!!! I run the same as my EDC, however without the comp. Your's is more O.G. being a DC Hybrid vs mine which is a Hybrd Elite. I just picked up a G17.5 and waiting on a reply from Continous Precision to see if they'll cut it up with the old school milling.
Lol difficult to cover most of the areas in such a short time. This could've been maybe 45 minutes with the amount of info out there on these. Thanks for watching.
Own both P and XC. Staccato P is a Mercedes Staccato XC is a Bentley For the fast shooting now better pistol then XC model. Try XC and you will be amazed
One day.... got some other projects to finish first. Need about 4k in glass for a couple of rifles but everywhere is out of stock. So for now, we wait.
I had an Ed Brown Special Forces a couple years ago. Not even trying I was shooting lights out. I can't imagine what shooting a 9mm through that gun feels like. We cannot get these in California.
@@sparda1123 We can get them. It just cost more. There are multiple for sale on Calguns which is the main gun forum in California. All you need is to have a directly family member that lives in a free state.
My duty firearm is Glock 17 Gen 5 MOS with RMR & X300U setup. I never shot it well enough to my liking and was never a fan of them. On the other hand, I shot well with Sig. But in the academy they told us these are easy to use and accessories are easy to get and pretty much a brick. So most of the class bought these. I also carry it off-duty EDC OWB holster with no issues. I am thinking about purchasing a Staccato C2 for duty since it will be easy to carry off-duty as well. But I am keep coming back to P and am confused which one to pick. I don't like the magwell thickness in the new P version. I wish some of the local ranges had these in stock to shoot before I can order it.
The magwell should be removable you just need a shorter pin for it. If your in Florida I'd be happy to host you in the central Florida area. I'm a bigger guy so don't have issues concealing a bigger gun but I get it. The staccato is like cheating, if I couldn't use it I'd go M&P 2.0 with apex trigger and barrel. It comes close but still no staccato with the recoil impulse. The P will be softer shooting than the c2 but I'm splitting hairs here. Up to you though, pros and cons to everything. I will say, you will notice the weight difference carrying it over the glock but if you don't walk many miles then it's really not an issue.
@@sparda1123 If I can have mag sit flush with no magwell on P, I'd buy that over C2. Do you know if 16 round C2 mag will sit flush in P after we remove the magwell?
It's great! Does exactly as they claim. Necessary for me on a Glock, the paddles are just a smidge too far to reach without breaking my grip. I bought some for the 2011 but decided not to use them when I saw how close the paddles are.
@@edgaresquivel2147 Clearly you've not shot a Staccato. While my Warrior Poet is an exceptional pistol, it in no way outshines my Staccato P or the Wilson EDC X9.
That's not true with the xc it does not dip in the front from recoil facts!! shoot one first before you make that Assumption You're a CZcams personality you're information is to state the facts and not myths staccato xc is the flattest shooting staccato out there Believe me no dipping! Great video brother 👍I run bill drills all day at 1.7s from the holster With the Blackhawk omnivore It does not touch the pistol level 2 retention No worries about slide wear it attaches to the surefire x300u-a.
I think I can see where you interpreted me stating the XC dips. Let me add additional context to clarify my position. What I was referring to was the legacy STI pistols ive shot that were 5 inch and ive also experienced the same on Glock34s. This was not a dig at the xc in anyway, as I mentioned, I've never shot it. To further clarify, I wouldn't apply that same logic to the xc because it's not technically the same as a traditional 5 inch slide. The slide is a 4. Something plus a non reciprocating comp to equal 5 inches overall. To summarize, the more reciprocating mass the more spring you need to send that mass forward which usually results in that dip. Again, I don't hold this logic to the xc because i don't consider that a traditional 5 inch gun, just like my roland special doesn't track that way either but a 34 does, they are the same length overall, but they're different. Thank you for watching and the comment. I also don't consider myself a youtuber, im just a regular dude sharing my experiences to try and help people.
@@sparda1123 thanks for getting back to me yeah the xc has a 8lb recoil spring I also have the 9lb spring if I want a little more force closing the slide.
Depends on your back strap really, I run a larger back strap personally and it doesn't bother me. You will have to use your support hand thumb to drop the slide unless you have long thumbs. I could measure it if you'd like just need to know where specifically your concerned with.
I have no direct experience with the C2 but I would imagine it should be like the difference in running a Glock 17 vs a 19 on duty since the C2 is similar in size. My only concern would be a duty holster for the C2.
No issues, I also haven't put tons of the stuff thru it either. Its ate about 100 rounds of that stuff. Underwood's loading of speer gold dot 124gr +p+
I just thought about it, but i showed in the video loaded mag, x300 and rmr @12:21. In the video was a loaded mag of 124gr without 1 in the chamber. Guess you didn't watch thru 🤷♂️. All you'd have to do is add what 1 124gr cartridge weighs to that which won't be noticeable.
This is largely dependent on the individual. Can I? Yes. The spare mags print more than the gun does. If you carried spare 17s this wouldn't be as noticeable. What do you carry now?
Depends on your frame and where you carrry. I’m 6ft6 and generally carry full-size at the base of my back. I do not do appendix carry. For me, I have no problem carrying this. Picked mine up in June, have 12000 rounds through it. For carry I prefer it over say my SVIs as the trigger is a little heavier and has a little more travel. Safer for defensive use.
Glocks point higher than other guns because of the grip angle. Glock is the outlier here.....they decided on a wonky grip angle, despite nearly every manufacturer already having a grip angle close to a 1911.
Exactly. They claim they do it for recoil. It's unnecessary. I filmed a vid talking and showing this but don't think it'll be recieved well due to the length.
A single action with a grip safety in the hands of most cops, soldiers and shooters in general is scary. This gun is for competent shooters which the majority of gun owners are not.
I actually like the fact they give you a soft case, I actually use it for my training mags. All my other gun cases i don't use. Going to the range with a pistol, grab the soft case with mags that go with it.
I have to admit , I've always been a traditional 1911 guy , and any variation from the original was blastimy ... Especially one in 9mm ...... But. This Staccato P Duo , has been lurking in the back of my mind like a splinter.... Very intrigued. After the holidays , I think I'm going for it .....
Great stuff on the thorough review and I am glad to hear about all the positive feedback on this weapon. I also chose my first double stacked 2011 platform as the Duo P and I am literally waiting for the delivery and looking forward to the hands-on experience.
Congrats on the buy! Thanks for watching, I have some more content planned to talk about a few things. Which platform are you coming from?
Great review, fun channel.... SUBBED!
I did the academy with a Sig P226, then shot matched with it for a year, made my first master card with it.
About that time my single stack 1911 in .45ACP showed up.
In spite of the increase in recoil, I shot better with it IMMEDATELY. Better than the gun I had used for matches, practice and carry for over a year!
I went on to a bunch more 1911 / 2011 guns and I'm still in love.
They are the light of Zartha.
Great review man, your analysis is well done.
Thanks for the thorough review. Thinking about one as my next purchase. I'm a CZ and Walther guy. Kinda want to give a 2011 a try as well.
Really appreciate your comments, especially the ease of shooting the staccato well. Thanks.
Very nice review. I have the standard version. Kinda wish I got the optic version but love the firearm.
Love the video, good job
Love mine, only other platforms I enjoy and could compair shootability is 1911, CZ SP01 or Jericho 941. After shooting Glock, Sigs, HKs, CZ, IWI, S&W, Springfield, Colts, the Staccato P with be my keeper and go to along with my ccw carry Springfield Armory 9mm Officer 1911.
Super well done video!
Nice review !!!
I have the Striker Fired Duty Weapon Smith & Wesson M&P 40mm. I also have a Walther P99 QA 40mm, M&P Shield 9mm gen 1. This would be my first in this platform.
To be very honest, it hard for everyone will be subjected when your invested into it by 2k . That applies to me also. 1000 rounds zero malfunction is awesome… thinking about investing in one
I feel your pain (literally) on the beaver tail. I have the P and the C2 and they are punishing if I don’t get my grip just right when shooting. If I really bear down on my grip, it definitely feels better than when I don’t. Usually feel a little tender at the base of my left thumb (lefty shooter) for a day or two after shooting.
Interesting. Thanks for reporting in. I don't get it when shooting, only when carrying concealed. Usually if I'm sitting in a car and I bend to reach for something, that sharp edge will stick me.
@@sparda1123 I get poked in the side too. My tactical love handles can cause me a bit of discomfort while carrying. 😂
@@TheLegoJoker Hey, we all got a little extra love to go around. 😂 Any content you'd like to see, like some of the options I mentioned in the vid?
The XC is a beast. I have the 2020 P DUO and the XC and the XC makes the P DUO feel like a Glock. Haha. It’s definitely my range toy though as the trigger pulls less than 2 lbs. pick up the chwps plate for your PDUO and that rmr will sit super low in the slide. Deep enough it looks milled even with a plate and cowitness perfectly with the new Dawson .190 fiber sight. Also which safariland is that?
Thanks for the insight! I think I will pickup the CHWPS plate when I'm due for a battery change. I need to find a gunsmith I'll trust to swap the front sight.
The Safariland holster is the 6360RDS-1582-781
I plan on doing some videos to help guys get faster on the level 3.
Excellent review. Looking forward to reviews on the MAC DS 1911 aka Turkatto and the APOLLO 11. More reasonably priced double stacks. STACCATO P $2,500 with taxes is expensive and with a plastic trigger? Peace
The thing to watch on a lot of the less expensive options are MIM parts and lack of hand fitting. I've yet to see one of the more affordable options that hasn't had one of those two things. The trigger isn't hard to change on these I've done 4 now and can knock em out in about 2 hours each. Hardest part is getting the safeties off and figuring out where to shave on the trigger bar. Thanks for the feedback, hopefully one of these companies can figure out to bring the cost down. It's not impossible, but it'll eat in to their margins.
Very cool
Next pickup, 2011s are the way.
I have a very high grip on any gun the staccato chews the web of my thumb up but I love the gun best gun I ever shot
im making a 2nd channel before i start posting my staccato experience (pre and post ownership) but i can say the XC is stupid. it feels like youre holding a cheatcode. and i want one this year. ill be picking up a staccato p mostlikely before the month is over. but man let me tell you, that XC ! wow.
Staccato offers a steel frame or aluminum frame which one is better
This might sound dickish, but shooting and dry firing the gun more will build up the snakebite callus on the web of your thumb. You should really check out the grip service that Extreme Shooters does to reduce and improve the texture on it. Did it to my Staccato P and it's an incredible difference. I have about 4000 rounds through mine and love it. I seriously feel like I'm cheating at the range when I shoot it. Such an incredible pistol.
No offense taken. However I don't get stuck by the gun in my hand, it sticks me in my side when carrying iwb if your comment was in reference to that. It only applies to the beaver tail when it's pushed up against me by an iwb holster.
@sparda1123 Nice 2011, however I'm even more impressed with the IGFS G19!!!
I run the same as my EDC, however without the comp. Your's is more O.G. being a DC Hybrid vs mine which is a Hybrd Elite.
I just picked up a G17.5 and waiting on a reply from Continous Precision to see if they'll cut it up with the old school milling.
Got a whole video for it up. It's served me well. Definitely no shortage of traction.
Hey great review, quick question did you take the mag well off?? Or did it come without one??
This production date didn't come with them. The ones that do now are removable.
"Go shoot something crappie first" was perfect 🎯👌🏽
"Of lesser quality" I believe I corrected.
@@sparda1123 You had it right the first time 😂👍🏽
“Don’t want to get into depth with it” proceeds to make a 22min video 😂…..btw I watch it all very good video super informative, great looking setups.👍
Lol difficult to cover most of the areas in such a short time. This could've been maybe 45 minutes with the amount of info out there on these. Thanks for watching.
This is the one to get.
It is a good gun. I carry one as a duty gun
Own both P and XC.
Staccato P is a Mercedes
Staccato XC is a Bentley
For the fast shooting now better pistol then XC model.
Try XC and you will be amazed
One day.... got some other projects to finish first. Need about 4k in glass for a couple of rifles but everywhere is out of stock. So for now, we wait.
If you were to keep only one, which one would it be?
Great info. Any info on the C2?
Unfortunately no. If Staccato wants to loan me one I'd gladly shoot it. Or anyone else for that matter.
I had an Ed Brown Special Forces a couple years ago. Not even trying I was shooting lights out. I can't imagine what shooting a 9mm through that gun feels like. We cannot get these in California.
My condolences.
@@sparda1123 We can get them. It just cost more. There are multiple for sale on Calguns which is the main gun forum in California. All you need is to have a directly family member that lives in a free state.
What model Safari land holster did u use for that gun. Just got me a Sti 2011 today
Safariland 6360RDS-1582-781
My duty firearm is Glock 17 Gen 5 MOS with RMR & X300U setup. I never shot it well enough to my liking and was never a fan of them. On the other hand, I shot well with Sig. But in the academy they told us these are easy to use and accessories are easy to get and pretty much a brick. So most of the class bought these. I also carry it off-duty EDC OWB holster with no issues. I am thinking about purchasing a Staccato C2 for duty since it will be easy to carry off-duty as well. But I am keep coming back to P and am confused which one to pick. I don't like the magwell thickness in the new P version. I wish some of the local ranges had these in stock to shoot before I can order it.
The magwell should be removable you just need a shorter pin for it. If your in Florida I'd be happy to host you in the central Florida area. I'm a bigger guy so don't have issues concealing a bigger gun but I get it.
The staccato is like cheating, if I couldn't use it I'd go M&P 2.0 with apex trigger and barrel. It comes close but still no staccato with the recoil impulse. The P will be softer shooting than the c2 but I'm splitting hairs here. Up to you though, pros and cons to everything. I will say, you will notice the weight difference carrying it over the glock but if you don't walk many miles then it's really not an issue.
To add, I'm at over 6k rounds now and no malfunctions.
@@sparda1123 If I can have mag sit flush with no magwell on P, I'd buy that over C2. Do you know if 16 round C2 mag will sit flush in P after we remove the magwell?
@@8REI- The P flush fit is a 17 in the video. The grip is longer on the P so the 16 won't fit. The c2 is glock 19 size and the p is glock 17 size
@@sparda1123 The P you have and new P are a little different. The new one comes with a larger magwell. The one you have is ideal and my kind of setup.
Nice magwell
Off topic, but it looks like you have the ARC enhanced WML switch on your carry x300 light. How do you like it?
It's great! Does exactly as they claim. Necessary for me on a Glock, the paddles are just a smidge too far to reach without breaking my grip. I bought some for the 2011 but decided not to use them when I saw how close the paddles are.
@@sparda1123 Yeah. I just picked up a x300u and thought about getting a set. Thanks for the reply.
Did you get the DLC barrel and do you feel there is much value in having a DLC barrel?
Wasn't an option when I ordered. I like the contrast but if the DLC gives me extra barrel life, count me in.
What Safariland holster fits that gun with the X300? I have not been able to find it.
Safariland 6360RDS-1582-781
Been thinking about buying a staccato p duo! Since my polymer80s I've made are legit 2000k plus anyways lol
I found myself looking at it the same way, Gucci Glock or staccato? Staccato wins almost in every way.
Shadow systems beat both…
@@edgaresquivel2147 Clearly you've not shot a Staccato. While my Warrior Poet is an exceptional pistol, it in no way outshines my Staccato P or the Wilson EDC X9.
That's not true with the xc it does not dip in the front from recoil facts!! shoot one first before you make that Assumption You're a CZcams personality you're information is to state the facts and not myths staccato xc is the flattest shooting staccato out there Believe me no dipping! Great video brother 👍I run bill drills all day at 1.7s from the holster With the Blackhawk omnivore It does not touch the pistol level 2 retention No worries about slide wear it attaches to the surefire x300u-a.
I think I can see where you interpreted me stating the XC dips. Let me add additional context to clarify my position. What I was referring to was the legacy STI pistols ive shot that were 5 inch and ive also experienced the same on Glock34s. This was not a dig at the xc in anyway, as I mentioned, I've never shot it. To further clarify, I wouldn't apply that same logic to the xc because it's not technically the same as a traditional 5 inch slide. The slide is a 4. Something plus a non reciprocating comp to equal 5 inches overall.
To summarize, the more reciprocating mass the more spring you need to send that mass forward which usually results in that dip. Again, I don't hold this logic to the xc because i don't consider that a traditional 5 inch gun, just like my roland special doesn't track that way either but a 34 does, they are the same length overall, but they're different.
Thank you for watching and the comment. I also don't consider myself a youtuber, im just a regular dude sharing my experiences to try and help people.
@@sparda1123 thanks for getting back to me yeah the xc has a 8lb recoil spring I also have the 9lb spring if I want a little more force closing the slide.
Did you get the slide cut for the rmr or did it come cut from the factory?
It's the optics ready model cut already.
Is the grip larger around than a G19? I have little girl hands, but don't have any issues with a 19.
Depends on your back strap really, I run a larger back strap personally and it doesn't bother me. You will have to use your support hand thumb to drop the slide unless you have long thumbs. I could measure it if you'd like just need to know where specifically your concerned with.
so, do you use this for Duty use, and how would you compare to the C2 for duty
I have no direct experience with the C2 but I would imagine it should be like the difference in running a Glock 17 vs a 19 on duty since the C2 is similar in size. My only concern would be a duty holster for the C2.
I havent shot a a staccato but my fn 509 t has a 1911 style grip it messes with me sometimes because im a glock shooter mainly
It's very minute but old habits die hard.
Whats the model number to the duty holster lol in need of one that fits
Should be able to use Safariland Holster finder and plug in what you have, it'll come right up. 6360RDS-1582-781 if your into level III.
Did you notice a hang up on the disconnect when you first got it?
No issues.
How well does it shoot JHP most people are only showing it shooting FMJ
No issues, I also haven't put tons of the stuff thru it either. Its ate about 100 rounds of that stuff. Underwood's loading of speer gold dot 124gr +p+
Most people say HST or Gold Dots 124 or 147s should be good to go.
What is the weight of the Staccato completely loaded 17 round magazine + 1 in chamber + x300 + RMR ?????
Heavy, but give me a few hours to check it. I'll get back to you. But it's heavy enough to notice in the holster walking over a Roland special.
I just thought about it, but i showed in the video loaded mag, x300 and rmr @12:21. In the video was a loaded mag of 124gr without 1 in the chamber. Guess you didn't watch thru 🤷♂️. All you'd have to do is add what 1 124gr cartridge weighs to that which won't be noticeable.
@@sparda1123
Thanks for your reply !!!!!
Was your demo with a steel or aluminum frame?
Steel, aluminum wasn't an option on the P at the time.
Can you conceal the Staccato P?, I want to get one for carry and training. Thanks
This is largely dependent on the individual. Can I? Yes. The spare mags print more than the gun does. If you carried spare 17s this wouldn't be as noticeable. What do you carry now?
Depends on your frame and where you carrry. I’m 6ft6 and generally carry full-size at the base of my back. I do not do appendix carry. For me, I have no problem carrying this.
Picked mine up in June, have 12000 rounds through it. For carry I prefer it over say my SVIs as the trigger is a little heavier and has a little more travel. Safer for defensive use.
@@jaysmith9496 I measured my trigger right at 3lbs 15 oz. Any issues thru your use?
What did you line your holster with?
Glocks point higher than other guns because of the grip angle. Glock is the outlier here.....they decided on a wonky grip angle, despite nearly every manufacturer already having a grip angle close to a 1911.
Exactly. They claim they do it for recoil. It's unnecessary. I filmed a vid talking and showing this but don't think it'll be recieved well due to the length.
What holster ccw are you using?
PHLSTER Floodlight.
What is the distance that factory target at? 7? 15? 25? Thanks
25 Yards. Able to reproduce it as well without a ransom rest using Underwood loading of speer 124gr +p+
@@sparda1123 unbelievable. Thanks!
That is a steel frame right?
It is.
Open carry duty capability, so must be in law enforcement . Thanks
Nice review but my account is in the 320 11 market
Its not magic. There are no tricks. Just proper fundamentals.
Good video but all the hand gestures are really distracting.
Glock grip angle sucks
A single action with a grip safety in the hands of most cops, soldiers and shooters in general is scary. This gun is for competent shooters which the majority of gun owners are not.
Like anything firearm related, you should seek training.
For a expensive ass gun they sure give u a cheap ass case.
I actually like the fact they give you a soft case, I actually use it for my training mags. All my other gun cases i don't use. Going to the range with a pistol, grab the soft case with mags that go with it.
@@sparda1123 Agree. Unlike the stack of blow mold cases for all my other guns... the soft case with mag straps is actually useful.