@@whoag3152 id personally do it….. and just tell everyone else about it too like surely they realize other places have moles too not just them itll be good going for a long time
Omg! I was a passenger in a minor rear end accident. I was called at least a half dozen times for this exact thing. I chewed every one of them out. Having been a bank teller for 15 years I am thoroughly trained to spot a scam. They were pretty relentless until they knew I wasn’t falling for it.
@jackiemyers2773 actually, surprisingly it is illegal. It goes against the "solicitation of clients" (American Bar Association Model Rule 7.3). Lawyers can't reach out to anyone directly via phone or in-person in an attempt to get new clients. It has to be through in direct methods such as ads, billboards, etc. So yes, what the other person did was illegal (but A for their effort 😊) An assistant or anyone working with/for the lawyer is also prohibited from doing this. (Model Rule 7.3(a)) A lawyer can, however, hire a third non-related party or organization to make calls or in-person solicitations, which would have been the only way for the mentioned situation to have been legal. Although, there are many places where that, calls or in-person solicitations for legal services by anyone, is illegal. Rip that guy 😂
"Oh, yes, send me the paperwork, please." Then promptly send it to the bar association (I assume that's who deals w/ lawyer naughtiness- would the police know enough to do anything?).
@@jackiemyers2773The fact that you’re arguing FOR quack medicine known as ‘chiropractors’ proves that you have no idea what you’re on about. 😂😂😂 I can go open up a chiropractor’s office rn and I have absolutely zero degree in anything. Lemme go f up some joints and bones so they keep coming back so I can relieve the pain that I caused 😂😂😂😂😂
Stunned how that was such an up-front scam. Glad you told him to hold onto the papers, "make sure to have a papertrail" and all that. EDIT: I'm not giving the Lawyer advice, he knows full well the importance of a Papertrail, I meant to say that the client should remember such advice. Yeah I said it like a dumbass, it was early in the morning when I commented that.
It's the insurance companies, they contract runners like a paid subscription to lawsuit blockers. The doc apt and papers would've invalidated any claims they had. It certainly happens for ambulance chasers but the real money is the big boys on the other side.
That is partially what makes it a good scam. It is so bold and so soon after your accident that a lot of people would assume it was a natural step in the process. It isn't that those people are dumb, emotion can just be running high when dealing with all this crap, and you get swept in. They take advantage of that. It is so gross.
You get in a car crash in Ohio and within a week your gonna have 6-10 packets sent to you in the mail from different attorneys, several letters up until months later, & phone calls asking you questions & trying to represent you. It's actually very annoying. Glad it's illegal there, because in Ohio, the only thing they don't do is put your name on a billboard saying they've been trying to reach you.
Had a similar thing happen to me after an accident. Except they sent me to a autobody shop. I didn't have an attorney yet, but this was not my first rodeo and I knew it was illegal to solicit like that. I read the papers to get the "estimate" for the repairs and it had papers in there signing me up with a lawyer for the case. I looked at the address on the lawyer papers and it was the same strip mall. Two brothers and a sister. Brother ran the body shop. Sister ran a chiropractors office and other brother ran a lawyers office/realty office at the other end of the strip mall. I walked down the mall to the lawyers office and told him I knew it was illegal to solicit like that and I wouldn't be using him. He tried to stop me and said he would lose his license. I told him, "Give me $500." So he did. I still reported him, including the $500 and he got disbarred.
bruh that is not a good look for you, that lawyer sucks but in my openion snitching sucks more but scamming him too? lmao not only your moral compass is all over the place you have a pea sized brain too ratteling around in your skull
@@xavy35 It made the local news in the small city I lived in at the time. And you can look it up online and I did regularly, no valid license in my state to practice law. Now, he could have legally changed his name... But, he actually banked on his name. It is the same as a famous member of a famous band so...
This is also why so many defense attorneys find plaintiff's attorneys ... kind of repulsive? It certainly isn't all plaintiff's attorneys, but a bunch of them are garbage people who do garbage things that it colors our impression of that entire side of the bar.
@@MikeRafiLawyer There's a reason the ENTIRE INDUSTRY was painted with the "Ambulance Chaser" brush. Rather similar to how you can say "Bean Counter" and ERRYONE knows who you're talking about.
@@MikeRafiLawyer I've personally never seen any illegal solicitation. What solicitation I've seen is much less jarring or off-putting in that it's almost always directed at another lawyer. If you've seen illegal solicitation, though, I hope you reported it! The only times I recall ever speaking with an individual prospective client was at a pro bono clinic.
I heard on the radio a story about some law firms paying a company that does electronic police reports for access early and that it was illegal. I thought it was down towards the GA area, and I'm up here in Seattle.
It's illegal to solicit clients directly in the state of MD where our firm resides. Ironically one of our attorneys got a speeding ticket while out in South Carolina. The sheer amount of sleezy firms that contacted our office was staggering.
@@augustuslunasol10thapostle it was pretty funny when they realized they were calling another law office. They kept calling back thinking they dialed the wrong number too.
@@DumpsterFairy97 We're specifically in Baltimore but to my understanding it's for the state. Could be wrong but I believe this YT attorney posted another video going over illegal soliciting via lawyers and what they're generally allowed to do. I would check on state laws or city state laws if you're in DC or BMORE.
It's annoying when they try to force you into an ambulance when it's not required. Ambulances are very expensive & desperately seem to try getting the Call out cost by transporting you to the nearest Medical Revenue Collection Agency......I mean hospital
Lol thats not true... ambulances dont give a shit if you say youre not going. Sorry, but theyre just employees and they get paid the same whether you ride to the hospital or not. Its not all a big conspiracy.
@@shieldwolf65I wrapped my truck around a tree at 70mph in the rain and just stood there smoking cigs for 2 hours until the state trooper came to do a report and gave me a ticket for “driving faster than conditions” then the ambulance showed up trying to lure me inside as I was getting in my gfs car. I was just so done at that point and rudely ignored them but I understood why they were so insistent after getting my stuff out the next day at the junk yard entire drivers side was caved in 😭 as long as I can still crawl im avoiding the 10k taxi ride
We called it ambulance chasing back in the day. Lawyers with police scanners & lawyers hanging out in emergency rooms. Thank you for brining this to people attention.
@@Normal1855 Personally Identifiable Information (PII) isn't supposed to be. But you freely give it to a lot of companies to be sold without your knowledge. Nothing is free, if something claims to be free YOU, and information about you, are the product. Incident and Police reports are a matter of public record and are freely available to the public to access. (How do you think the "Florida Man" news meme became a thing?) Along with info like arrest records, court filings, etc. The issue here is not that the info was made public, that was going to happen as a matter of procedure. It's that a law office that was not directly contacted by the injured party(s) got the incident report significantly earlier than they should have. Indicating the law office was doing illegal stuff to obtain the info faster.
Lmao what’s crazy is, this happened to me. I was arrested on some false charges, I was speeding but the cop claimed I was fleeing, but I literally pulled over the moment I saw his lights, I won’t deny the fact I was speeding though, he literally followed me from the start of a freeway onramp, to the end of the freeway onramp. But yeah, was in jail for like 3 days before I saw a judge to get out on bail, and by the time I got out my mailbox was full of letters from “lawyers” One said “i’ve defended many cases just like yours and won” and I was wondering how tf he knows anything about my case 😂
@@rockysquirrel4776in some counties, the police provide a list of the people who have been arrested each day. Sometimes they charge for the list, and sometimes they do not.
F'kin Hell! Ok. From now on, I call a lawyer on my own, or else I don't trust them. I didn't know this was a thing, and I am gen x ...been here a day or two. Screw those guys.
Sadly, you have to take in interest in that kind of thing separately since most school curriculum considers it too niche. Sincerely, a person who learned more as an insurance agent about insurance law than I did in school
General education has been failing for multiple generations now. It's only until recently that we have more and more people sharing their knowledge so we can get a real education
I had a similar thing happen to me, except the caller alluded to being from the insurance company and that I should get checked by a chiropractor. In the end the receptionist cleared up that the caller did not work for an insurance company, there were no contracts (just like an informed concent form), I wouldn't have to pay anything, and I saw the chiropractor. I was fine, and got a free hot/cold pack out of it.
Personal injury protection PIP that you pay for in car insurance affords a certain amount for medical needs... and you do need to be seen by a Dr within a time frame or loose access to the benefits (this can be done at any dr, I suggest go where you can get xrays if there is ant pain) -chiro does help, for me massage therapy made the real difference with chiro, and insurance doesn't like to pay for that. 'Cos it works. The magnitude of this scamming would make you sick. I worked in a medical billing office for one of these chiro attorney referral team up's --but people called them at an 800#. Basic pip in Florida is 10k, the Dr and attorney will each want at least 1/3 of your 10k. Then have you feel grateful to them if they negotiate for less, but will "make up the difference on someone else's case". Watch your bills like a hawk, get print outs for service at Dr's, and Advocate for yourself. ---And don't be afraid to fire anybody!!! You are a $ to them, don't think you're more than that to the owners of any of these companies. Some of the most sneeky, underhanded, passive aggressive and outright disrespectful beings I have ever dealt with.
3 days after being hit by a truck, I had at least 5 packets from lawyers. I remember it shocked me, because in the previous accident I'd been in, it had taken WEEKS for the police report to even be filed. This time, I had called the police for a police report the next day, they said they didn't have it, then the next day I had two full police report copies in my mailbox from two different lawyers.
I get these calls all the time lol “we’re from the attorney’s office about your workers compensation claim.” I have never made a workers comp claim, and if you were legit you’d identify which attorney’s office 😂
I've had a number of scam calls about "an accident you were involved in." I usually play along a little and get some details then tell them I don't drive, lol. I had a call from the same people from different numbers about 3 times in one week once.
I had something similar happen. My dad is a disabled vet and he put in for a grant for support bars in the bathroom. As soon as he was approved he started getting calls from bathroom contractors. Thing is the government is not giving out any info to contractors or their not supposed to. They also had my dad's cell number. I told our social worker and she was shocked as we were supposed to just get a check and call our own people. They are investigating though I'm sure nothing will come of it.
Because it can bite him in the ass if he is wrong. Safer to bleep it out. Clients sometimes don’t tell the whole truth there is a chance that person wasn’t listening and only seeing a different firm on the paper made them realize. We have this happen a lot too but 80% time the client is partially the reason they ended up almost signing another contract with a different firm.
When I was in an accident years ago a chiropractor's office repeatedly called me and everyone who was in the car with me and claimed they were working with our insurance company. I recognized it as a scam, tried very hard to make the person calling me cry, and said I would pursue legal action if they dared try that shit with me again. I also asked if they liked looking at themselves in the mirror knowing they scam accident victims for a living. Anyway they stopped calling all of us.
The week I had my accident I must have gotten ten calls from lawyers. I already had a lawyer, as well. I yelled that if I wanted to hire them, I would have called them, to not call me again because I was trying to do my job with one good hand and their phone call was affecting my job. The kicker was my primary physician had just retired and I had not had time to find a new doctor before the accident, and now that I was in an accident, none of the doctors in my area on my insurance preferred provider list would touch me with a ten foot pole. I had to go to urgent care for my follow up visit from the emergency room. That cost me a fortune.
This happened to me like 6 months ago. They were so relentless too. Called me 3 or 4 times per day. From diffrent numbers. Started reffering me to doctors and chiropractors without even asking me. Tryibg to force me to sue someone i has no intention on even filing an insurance claim against. Seemed so sketchy
Strange that he says, the police report should not have been available after only a few days. I have more than once hired a lawyer or investigator to acquire a police report less than 24 hours after an accident. Must be the differences in jurisdiction.
In my department the report can take a few days to be made available. The initial report has to be approved by our traffic crash reviewer for any needed corrections. Than the report needs to be name candidated and geo verified which is basically attaching the names and locations from that report to our database so it’ll show in the future all incidents involved with that person. If it’s all done quickly it could take like a day. But with the volume of reports we get it usually takes a few.
@@None-ef6nf nah in my city it’s all dependent on how fast the report goes through our system even for the involved parties. Although in my state crash reports are confidential and exempt from public records request for 60 days. This is so that law firms can’t come to police departments and ask for accident reports and start soliciting clients
Actually, it was not by a relevant party, just by the attorney or investigator. Indeed, I want to requested a report myself about something that happened near my place of employment, and I got interrogated as to why I would want it. But they were extremely cooperative for the lawyers and investigators. So so I can see how this felon Lawyer got a hold of it.
My husband went apeshit over this very thing after we had lawyers leaving things hanging on our doorknob and ringing our doorbell. He filed a report with the state attorney generals office and contacted our senator and representative. After months, they concluded they couldn't do anything to stop the solicitation.
Solicitation in of itself is not a tortious offense. QED you can't win a lawsuit just because there was an ad on CZcams. However if they continue to contact you that's harassment and that's a winnable case. The issue is that it's a criminal offense for them to do it in the first place
Solicitation through the U.S. Mail is specifically *allowed* Solicitation via phone, text, or e-mail is specifically *prohibited* In all states, traffic crash reports become public records *after* a certain time (usually 7, 10, or 30 days) and can be purchased like any other commodity.
Usually they are worded in a way that puts them in a gray area. They dont say "you should sue and you should use us as your lawyers" but they say something like "You may be able to sue and get lots of money and we are a law firm who is really good at winning these types of cases". one is directly soliciting, the other is more of an extremely targeted ad.
A couple months back we had a weird collections agency trying to call my dad. When he called the business doing the “collections” they hadn’t even sent it to collections yet. This guy on the phone was like “DON’T PLAY DUMB WITH ME YOU NEED TO PAY OFF YOUR DEBT!” We still don’t know what was happening.
It's only a scam because he was tricking them Into being his lawyer. You should still get a lawyer of your own. Even the ones that call first will get you money for your injuries.
Years ago I had an accident in Atlanta. Two days later I got a call from “Sergeant” Blah Blah, a woman, who wanted me to give a statement over the phone. It didn’t sound right so I asked if she was with the Police Department. She admitted she was an attorney. I said no thanks and hung up. I always wondered how many people she swindled with that name.
I assume there's likely either an ongoing investigation or ongoing trial/bar review. If he were to name the firm and the firm became cleared, he could face suit for defamation. He's probably just protecting himself until there's a solid guilty verdict, in which case it becomes a matter of public record and legal fact.
Likely libel or slander liability. I agree, that law firm should be public, without showing proof of a crime, he could be held liable for accusations and be sued, even if the claims are true
It's not the purpose of the video to name and shame a specific law firm, but rather to make people aware there there are shady law firms who do this and that it's illegal for them to do so.
Whatever it is... It's a fellow lawyers office. Perhaps it's not a fellowship thing, and more like they have all the law books, junior lawyers to keep busy, and time on hand to sue for reputational damage, however frivolous or useless. He might just want to avoid a paperwork slap-fight. Or a SLAAP fight haha. Or! He already settled or convicted on that case, ergo it's possibly under a minor NDA. Enough to tell the story, not enough to name them. Perhaps they have already gone through all the liability they were legally require and it would be unwise to have those currently still at that firm to be accused. Something like that. It's probably not just one lawyer firm that does this either, so instead of being on the lookout for the specific name that might not be in your state or country, Mike wants you to be on the lookout for that kind of tactic in general. Lots of possibilities.
Many years ago,2001, i had bad car accident. I was in the hospital overnight. When i got home next morning i had calls from 6 different law firms asking to represent me
my friend went through something similar. He decided every lawyer that contacted him was off his list, and told them so. That is what we all should do. If you get solicited like this, make sure you pick someone else.
I was mildly rear ended a few years ago and I got the first letter from a lawyer the very next day. I was impressed by the speed but I wasn't injured and my employers insurance was taking care of the vehicle. Thing that really sucked is that I/we had already traded in that particular van and were waiting on the new one I ordered to come from Ford.
So this brings up a question I've had in the back of my mind. I'm in the process of getting diagnosed with a chronic illness, and I frequently get phone calls from doctor's offices where they want me to confirm my identity before they speak to me. And I refuse to do that, because I don't know who they are and I don't want to give out my private information to people I don't know. And situations like this, where somebody is calling and maybe aren't who I would expect them to be, is pretty much exactly what I'm afraid of. How do you get around that? They won't even tell me where they're calling from, because of patient confidentiality supposedly, so I can't call the doctor's office and say hey did you call me because I don't know which doctor it was.
Would love a follow up on what happened with the other law firm - where they sanctioned? Charged? Disbarred? Would love to see what the profession is doing to keep things legit.
I worked for a clinic that did pain management. We had a meeting with a marketing firm that did this exact thing. In his informational meeting the guy says "if you ever tell anyone you got a patient from us, our relationship is over". Red flag.
In Argentina we call those kind of lawyers caranchos, and the fact that they get police and medical reports or send offers to potential customers are the least illegal things they can and will do
@@mancomecanico Graçias compadre. Very appropriate description for Landsharks. Just Googled it, attractive bird, but seems more aggressive, thieving & opportunistic than carrion crows. 👍🇦🇺
That’s crazy same thing almost happened to me , I got an attorney and everything and a fews days later someone else called me and said they were my lawyer I thought it was my lawyer originally but it wasn’t luckily I’m always on point on noticed it
Didn't have a lawyer when my car got totaled 5 years ago, didn't get checked out and still had to pay out of pocket for my new car. Still suffering from injury after not getting checked out and discovering it in an xray a year after the accident made me regret my decision. Lawyer-ing up next time anything happens to me or going to labour board, too many bad things get to slide.
Literally had this issue!! Can't be specific but know there are lawyers that will for sure stoop this low if not lower just for "easy money". Thankfully good teams still exist to even the scales 😊
Had this same thing happen to my wife. We already had a lawyer called him right away after realizing that it was the other insurance company. Our lawyer was not happy!
When my house burned down the vultures were hitting me up before I even talked to insurance. Fire happened in the middle of the night and I was getting calls by 6:30am on a Saturday.
Heh when I was in an accident with my parents we got so many calls and texts from lawyers saying we may be entitled to money... Dude that hit us almost drove off but his truck's wheel was so damaged that it would go more then a few yards. We barely got insurance from the guy no way we'd get 'money' from him😂
This is how court TV shows like Judge Judy find cases too. They get the accident or whatever police reports (some even have access to insurance claims) and they intervene and contact the people directly.
I had a ruptured appendix and there were a couple dudes dressed in suits in my recovery room while I'm still doped to the gills on the anesthesia trying to get me to sign shit... I told 'em to come back when i could actually read the papers, or contact my mom if they needed emergency authorization. They vanished.
My car was hit from behind at over 50+ mph last month, on a Saturday. Monday morning, I started getting non-stop calls from attorneys offices. I'm in Ohio.
The ambulance chasers came out of the woodwork like this when I was involved in an accident. Many phone calls from people misrepresenting who they were. Their dialogue was very precise, as to not be actually untrue. Kinda like the 3rd party utility services that walk door-to-door with hard hats and hi-vis vests, attempting to appear as employees of your utility company.
That's what happened to me the day after a big accident. I didn't even have access to the police report yet. I'm not sure if it's illegal here in TN or not.
I got into a minor fender bender several months ago. ( drunk driver hit a car that hit me.) Cops are called and it was dealt with. All I receiveed was very mild case of whiplash but that's it. Within two days I get a call from a physical therapist office. I did not go to a walk in clinic or anything so I can't figure out how they contacted me. They insisted I should visit them " just in case ". Felt like they knew more about the accident than I did.
I feel like whoever this guy was going against hired a lawyer, and those lawyers tried to swindle having both of them at once to get a deal for the first guy
Fortunately, when they tried this with me they tried to tell me that my 1 mile per hour collision had caused me neck pains so I was just like, "...no it didn't," and hung up.
I was a temp for a well known accident attorney. They have billboards all over, and have tv ads. They have people who run to accident scenes (motorcycles, cars) and give them the attorney’s card ! And like this video, have the plaintiffs sign papers and etc!
just now realizing that theres a lot of lawyer youtubers named mike
Literally the exact same idea
There's a lot of people named Mike. It's among the most popular english names.
That's called a Mike Runner, it's part of CZcams ToS that the Lawyers be named Mike 😂
Also a doctor named Mike too lol
SO MANY MIKE
Uncle used to be an officer for 30 years. He got offered 2x his salary to 'notify' certain people about 'events' they might be interested in.
Id totally take that and periodically email them going “theres a food truck event at xyz tomorrow, good food”
@@dylanpalmer8344Then you’d never get a dime lmao
@@whoag3152 id personally do it….. and just tell everyone else about it too like surely they realize other places have moles too not just them itll be good going for a long time
Insider trading
@@sikul3237 Same vibe but hysterically different in terms of what insider trading actually is.
Omg! I was a passenger in a minor rear end accident. I was called at least a half dozen times for this exact thing. I chewed every one of them out. Having been a bank teller for 15 years I am thoroughly trained to spot a scam. They were pretty relentless until they knew I wasn’t falling for it.
@@jackiemyers2773 no its illegal watch the video again its not even a minute long
also chiropractors arent doctors they are not trained in medicine
@@jackiemyers2773the scam and illegal thing is they are calling her at all. That is not ok
@jackiemyers2773 actually, surprisingly it is illegal. It goes against the "solicitation of clients" (American Bar Association Model Rule 7.3). Lawyers can't reach out to anyone directly via phone or in-person in an attempt to get new clients. It has to be through in direct methods such as ads, billboards, etc.
So yes, what the other person did was illegal (but A for their effort 😊)
An assistant or anyone working with/for the lawyer is also prohibited from doing this. (Model Rule 7.3(a))
A lawyer can, however, hire a third non-related party or organization to make calls or in-person solicitations, which would have been the only way for the mentioned situation to have been legal. Although, there are many places where that, calls or in-person solicitations for legal services by anyone, is illegal. Rip that guy 😂
"Oh, yes, send me the paperwork, please." Then promptly send it to the bar association (I assume that's who deals w/ lawyer naughtiness- would the police know enough to do anything?).
@@jackiemyers2773The fact that you’re arguing FOR quack medicine known as ‘chiropractors’ proves that you have no idea what you’re on about. 😂😂😂
I can go open up a chiropractor’s office rn and I have absolutely zero degree in anything. Lemme go f up some joints and bones so they keep coming back so I can relieve the pain that I caused 😂😂😂😂😂
Stunned how that was such an up-front scam. Glad you told him to hold onto the papers, "make sure to have a papertrail" and all that.
EDIT: I'm not giving the Lawyer advice, he knows full well the importance of a Papertrail, I meant to say that the client should remember such advice. Yeah I said it like a dumbass, it was early in the morning when I commented that.
lol. He has education and does this for a living. I’m pretty sure he knows about paper trails.
@@JChan-ru2hfpretty sure they were just stating what he was doing, not telling him to do it
It's the insurance companies, they contract runners like a paid subscription to lawsuit blockers.
The doc apt and papers would've invalidated any claims they had.
It certainly happens for ambulance chasers but the real money is the big boys on the other side.
Erk...?
That is partially what makes it a good scam. It is so bold and so soon after your accident that a lot of people would assume it was a natural step in the process. It isn't that those people are dumb, emotion can just be running high when dealing with all this crap, and you get swept in. They take advantage of that. It is so gross.
You get in a car crash in Ohio and within a week your gonna have 6-10 packets sent to you in the mail from different attorneys, several letters up until months later, & phone calls asking you questions & trying to represent you. It's actually very annoying. Glad it's illegal there, because in Ohio, the only thing they don't do is put your name on a billboard saying they've been trying to reach you.
All those lawyers broke the law. They didn't get a signed release to access your personal information.
for your car's extended warranty...
to finish that last sentence of OP for real :P
Sounds like the extended warrenty cards I got when I bought a new truck.
I'm beyond impressed that none of the 3 replies said anything about 'ohio'.
Took hours for me to get called by dozens it was nuts .
Had a similar thing happen to me after an accident. Except they sent me to a autobody shop. I didn't have an attorney yet, but this was not my first rodeo and I knew it was illegal to solicit like that. I read the papers to get the "estimate" for the repairs and it had papers in there signing me up with a lawyer for the case. I looked at the address on the lawyer papers and it was the same strip mall. Two brothers and a sister. Brother ran the body shop. Sister ran a chiropractors office and other brother ran a lawyers office/realty office at the other end of the strip mall.
I walked down the mall to the lawyers office and told him I knew it was illegal to solicit like that and I wouldn't be using him. He tried to stop me and said he would lose his license. I told him, "Give me $500." So he did. I still reported him, including the $500 and he got disbarred.
bruh that is not a good look for you, that lawyer sucks but in my openion snitching sucks more but scamming him too? lmao not only your moral compass is all over the place you have a pea sized brain too ratteling around in your skull
You'd think they'd be smart enough to not have their businesses right next to each other
I call BS on getting paid $500 plus you would never know if he lost his Bar card. I only believe your first part of your story the rest is BS 100%
@@xavy35 It made the local news in the small city I lived in at the time. And you can look it up online and I did regularly, no valid license in my state to practice law. Now, he could have legally changed his name... But, he actually banked on his name. It is the same as a famous member of a famous band so...
@@ptrckhgn89 Still BS. You can't disbar someone who wasn't an attorney in the first place!
This is also why so many defense attorneys find plaintiff's attorneys ... kind of repulsive? It certainly isn't all plaintiff's attorneys, but a bunch of them are garbage people who do garbage things that it colors our impression of that entire side of the bar.
… newsflash: defense lawyers illegally solicit clients too!
@@MikeRafiLawyer There's a reason the ENTIRE INDUSTRY was painted with the "Ambulance Chaser" brush.
Rather similar to how you can say "Bean Counter" and ERRYONE knows who you're talking about.
@@MikeRafiLawyer I've personally never seen any illegal solicitation. What solicitation I've seen is much less jarring or off-putting in that it's almost always directed at another lawyer. If you've seen illegal solicitation, though, I hope you reported it!
The only times I recall ever speaking with an individual prospective client was at a pro bono clinic.
@@TimeSurfer206 wait waht's a bean counter?
@@pottersky1 A bean counter is an accountant.
I heard on the radio a story about some law firms paying a company that does electronic police reports for access early and that it was illegal. I thought it was down towards the GA area, and I'm up here in Seattle.
It's illegal to solicit clients directly in the state of MD where our firm resides. Ironically one of our attorneys got a speeding ticket while out in South Carolina. The sheer amount of sleezy firms that contacted our office was staggering.
….. a bunch of fucking felons tried to poach a lawyers…. From another law firm? Damn idk this seems like a fucking comedy sketch
For a speeding ticket?
Where in Maryland?
@@augustuslunasol10thapostle it was pretty funny when they realized they were calling another law office. They kept calling back thinking they dialed the wrong number too.
@@DumpsterFairy97 We're specifically in Baltimore but to my understanding it's for the state. Could be wrong but I believe this YT attorney posted another video going over illegal soliciting via lawyers and what they're generally allowed to do. I would check on state laws or city state laws if you're in DC or BMORE.
Had a very similar experience in ATL after someone rear ended me. I just assumed it was normal. Guy was pissed I wasn’t hurt.
After you've been hit, I have some advice.
Don't move until the medical helicopter lands lol
It's annoying when they try to force you into an ambulance when it's not required. Ambulances are very expensive & desperately seem to try getting the Call out cost by transporting you to the nearest Medical Revenue Collection Agency......I mean hospital
Lol thats not true... ambulances dont give a shit if you say youre not going. Sorry, but theyre just employees and they get paid the same whether you ride to the hospital or not. Its not all a big conspiracy.
@@shieldwolf65I wrapped my truck around a tree at 70mph in the rain and just stood there smoking cigs for 2 hours until the state trooper came to do a report and gave me a ticket for “driving faster than conditions” then the ambulance showed up trying to lure me inside as I was getting in my gfs car. I was just so done at that point and rudely ignored them but I understood why they were so insistent after getting my stuff out the next day at the junk yard entire drivers side was caved in 😭 as long as I can still crawl im avoiding the 10k taxi ride
I still don't get why life saving aid and general health maintenance is charged for in America. It's a bizarre practice that is barbaric and inhumane
We called it ambulance chasing back in the day. Lawyers with police scanners & lawyers hanging out in emergency rooms. Thank you for brining this to people attention.
I thought that's what it was but wasn't sure why it's not called that guess I'm older than I thought lol
Any consequences for the law firm? And for whoever leaked the report?
He said in the video that it is a felony. And the police reports are publix information i think
@default3740 Personal information isn't public record. That includes accident reports, and insurance reports.
@@default3740unless laws are enforced they are meaningless.
@@Normal1855police reports are 100% public in Florida
@@Normal1855 Personally Identifiable Information (PII) isn't supposed to be. But you freely give it to a lot of companies to be sold without your knowledge. Nothing is free, if something claims to be free YOU, and information about you, are the product. Incident and Police reports are a matter of public record and are freely available to the public to access. (How do you think the "Florida Man" news meme became a thing?) Along with info like arrest records, court filings, etc. The issue here is not that the info was made public, that was going to happen as a matter of procedure. It's that a law office that was not directly contacted by the injured party(s) got the incident report significantly earlier than they should have. Indicating the law office was doing illegal stuff to obtain the info faster.
Lmao what’s crazy is, this happened to me. I was arrested on some false charges, I was speeding but the cop claimed I was fleeing, but I literally pulled over the moment I saw his lights, I won’t deny the fact I was speeding though, he literally followed me from the start of a freeway onramp, to the end of the freeway onramp.
But yeah, was in jail for like 3 days before I saw a judge to get out on bail, and by the time I got out my mailbox was full of letters from “lawyers”
One said “i’ve defended many cases just like yours and won” and I was wondering how tf he knows anything about my case 😂
Sounds like the cops have a good racket going.
@@rockysquirrel4776in some counties, the police provide a list of the people who have been arrested each day. Sometimes they charge for the list, and sometimes they do not.
F'kin Hell! Ok. From now on, I call a lawyer on my own, or else I don't trust them. I didn't know this was a thing, and I am gen x ...been here a day or two. Screw those guys.
Meanwhile me thinking this was going to be the other side's lawyer trying to trick him into signing papers stating that he wasn't suing lol.
The fact that I'm learning more about legal stuff from CZcams videos then the general education growing up.
Sadly, you have to take in interest in that kind of thing separately since most school curriculum considers it too niche. Sincerely, a person who learned more as an insurance agent about insurance law than I did in school
General education has been failing for multiple generations now. It's only until recently that we have more and more people sharing their knowledge so we can get a real education
I had a similar thing happen to me, except the caller alluded to being from the insurance company and that I should get checked by a chiropractor. In the end the receptionist cleared up that the caller did not work for an insurance company, there were no contracts (just like an informed concent form), I wouldn't have to pay anything, and I saw the chiropractor. I was fine, and got a free hot/cold pack out of it.
Personal injury protection PIP that you pay for in car insurance affords a certain amount for medical needs... and you do need to be seen by a Dr within a time frame or loose access to the benefits (this can be done at any dr, I suggest go where you can get xrays if there is ant pain) -chiro does help, for me massage therapy made the real difference with chiro, and insurance doesn't like to pay for that. 'Cos it works.
The magnitude of this scamming would make you sick. I worked in a medical billing office for one of these chiro attorney referral team up's --but people called them at an 800#. Basic pip in Florida is 10k, the Dr and attorney will each want at least 1/3 of your 10k. Then have you feel grateful to them if they negotiate for less, but will "make up the difference on someone else's case".
Watch your bills like a hawk, get print outs for service at Dr's, and Advocate for yourself. ---And don't be afraid to fire anybody!!! You are a $ to them, don't think you're more than that to the owners of any of these companies. Some of the most sneeky, underhanded, passive aggressive and outright disrespectful beings I have ever dealt with.
Better call Saul 😂
In Russia, Saul call you. Also, Georgia (state and country).
If/ when you can. PLEASE do an update on this. I'd love to hear what happens to them.
3 days after being hit by a truck, I had at least 5 packets from lawyers. I remember it shocked me, because in the previous accident I'd been in, it had taken WEEKS for the police report to even be filed. This time, I had called the police for a police report the next day, they said they didn't have it, then the next day I had two full police report copies in my mailbox from two different lawyers.
this just made me realize that in the first episode of the DAREDEVIL tv show a police officer and two lawyers commit this exact felony
That's how my parents found out I got a speeding ticket 😂
This type of behavior contributes to the negative reputation that all attorneys suffer from
Hahahahaha! "Contributes to the negative reputation of lawyers???!!!" PA- LEASE! More like 99% of lawyers give the other 1% a bad name.
I get these calls all the time lol “we’re from the attorney’s office about your workers compensation claim.” I have never made a workers comp claim, and if you were legit you’d identify which attorney’s office 😂
That's something else entirely. That's an entire scam. He's talking about illegal solicitation regarding real occurrences
I've had a number of scam calls about "an accident you were involved in." I usually play along a little and get some details then tell them I don't drive, lol. I had a call from the same people from different numbers about 3 times in one week once.
I had something similar happen. My dad is a disabled vet and he put in for a grant for support bars in the bathroom. As soon as he was approved he started getting calls from bathroom contractors. Thing is the government is not giving out any info to contractors or their not supposed to. They also had my dad's cell number. I told our social worker and she was shocked as we were supposed to just get a check and call our own people. They are investigating though I'm sure nothing will come of it.
I respect that you edit the lawyers name out even though what they did was kinda sketchy 👍
Because it can bite him in the ass if he is wrong. Safer to bleep it out. Clients sometimes don’t tell the whole truth there is a chance that person wasn’t listening and only seeing a different firm on the paper made them realize. We have this happen a lot too but 80% time the client is partially the reason they ended up almost signing another contract with a different firm.
When I was in an accident years ago a chiropractor's office repeatedly called me and everyone who was in the car with me and claimed they were working with our insurance company. I recognized it as a scam, tried very hard to make the person calling me cry, and said I would pursue legal action if they dared try that shit with me again. I also asked if they liked looking at themselves in the mirror knowing they scam accident victims for a living. Anyway they stopped calling all of us.
I got like 30 calls from random lawyers when my accident report came out. They come out like rats on cheese
Happened to me before only got 6700 and still have bqck issues
The week I had my accident I must have gotten ten calls from lawyers. I already had a lawyer, as well. I yelled that if I wanted to hire them, I would have called them, to not call me again because I was trying to do my job with one good hand and their phone call was affecting my job. The kicker was my primary physician had just retired and I had not had time to find a new doctor before the accident, and now that I was in an accident, none of the doctors in my area on my insurance preferred provider list would touch me with a ten foot pole. I had to go to urgent care for my follow up visit from the emergency room. That cost me a fortune.
That should have been billed to your auto insurance. Not to you.
I remember when lawyers couldn't legally advertise. New world now.
Something straight out of Suits😂😂😂
We used to call it an ambulance chaser!
every time I call any lawyers office they always answer, "law office" sounds like they're extending the practice of not identifying themselves well.
Give my office a call and you’ll see a difference.
This happened to me like 6 months ago. They were so relentless too. Called me 3 or 4 times per day. From diffrent numbers. Started reffering me to doctors and chiropractors without even asking me. Tryibg to force me to sue someone i has no intention on even filing an insurance claim against. Seemed so sketchy
Luckily he already had a lawyer
Strange that he says, the police report should not have been available after only a few days. I have more than once hired a lawyer or investigator to acquire a police report less than 24 hours after an accident.
Must be the differences in jurisdiction.
In my department the report can take a few days to be made available. The initial report has to be approved by our traffic crash reviewer for any needed corrections. Than the report needs to be name candidated and geo verified which is basically attaching the names and locations from that report to our database so it’ll show in the future all incidents involved with that person.
If it’s all done quickly it could take like a day. But with the volume of reports we get it usually takes a few.
Or maybe it’s available earlier upon request by relevant parties?
@@thedarkbardExactly. Those involved (and their representatives) are not subject to the waiting period to obtain an incident report
@@None-ef6nf nah in my city it’s all dependent on how fast the report goes through our system even for the involved parties. Although in my state crash reports are confidential and exempt from public records request for 60 days. This is so that law firms can’t come to police departments and ask for accident reports and start soliciting clients
Actually, it was not by a relevant party, just by the attorney or investigator. Indeed, I want to requested a report myself about something that happened near my place of employment, and I got interrogated as to why I would want it. But they were extremely cooperative for the lawyers and investigators.
So so I can see how this felon Lawyer got a hold of it.
My husband went apeshit over this very thing after we had lawyers leaving things hanging on our doorknob and ringing our doorbell. He filed a report with the state attorney generals office and contacted our senator and representative.
After months, they concluded they couldn't do anything to stop the solicitation.
Luckily, the guy had the thought to call his actual lawyer before he signed anything
This is exactly why we call your type of lawyer “ambulance chasers”
So when lawyers send you mail about an accident or something you were in, that's illegal? Can we sue them? I'm a cop and have no idea
Solicitation in of itself is not a tortious offense. QED you can't win a lawsuit just because there was an ad on CZcams. However if they continue to contact you that's harassment and that's a winnable case.
The issue is that it's a criminal offense for them to do it in the first place
@sirbalsac Actually, accessing your accident report, and medical claim information, is in fact illegal. They need your permission to access it.
Solicitation through the U.S. Mail is specifically *allowed*
Solicitation via phone, text, or e-mail is specifically *prohibited*
In all states, traffic crash reports become public records *after* a certain time (usually 7, 10, or 30 days) and can be purchased like any other commodity.
Usually they are worded in a way that puts them in a gray area. They dont say "you should sue and you should use us as your lawyers" but they say something like "You may be able to sue and get lots of money and we are a law firm who is really good at winning these types of cases". one is directly soliciting, the other is more of an extremely targeted ad.
"You have another lawyers papers in your hands!?"
EHHUEUHEUHEUHEUHEUHE C'MERE BUD.
A couple months back we had a weird collections agency trying to call my dad. When he called the business doing the “collections” they hadn’t even sent it to collections yet.
This guy on the phone was like “DON’T PLAY DUMB WITH ME YOU NEED TO PAY OFF YOUR DEBT!”
We still don’t know what was happening.
So is "runner" semantically equivalent to "ambulance chaser"?
Stunned how that was such an up-front scam. Glad you told him to hold onto the papers, make sure to have a papertrail.
It's only a scam because he was tricking them Into being his lawyer. You should still get a lawyer of your own. Even the ones that call first will get you money for your injuries.
Years ago I had an accident in Atlanta. Two days later I got a call from “Sergeant” Blah Blah, a woman, who wanted me to give a statement over the phone. It didn’t sound right so I asked if she was with the Police Department. She admitted she was an attorney. I said no thanks and hung up. I always wondered how many people she swindled with that name.
glad client had the sense to be concerned and call mike to ask questions
Why censor the law firm’s name if it could lead to that sleazy lawyer being disbarred
I just lawyers don't like getting sued any more than other people
because there are proper methods for censuring the lawyer, and public outcry from uninvolved parties is NOT one of them.
I assume there's likely either an ongoing investigation or ongoing trial/bar review. If he were to name the firm and the firm became cleared, he could face suit for defamation. He's probably just protecting himself until there's a solid guilty verdict, in which case it becomes a matter of public record and legal fact.
Why would you censor the name wouldn’t you want to spread message so that others don’t do the same?
Likely libel or slander liability. I agree, that law firm should be public, without showing proof of a crime, he could be held liable for accusations and be sued, even if the claims are true
It's not the purpose of the video to name and shame a specific law firm, but rather to make people aware there there are shady law firms who do this and that it's illegal for them to do so.
Whatever it is... It's a fellow lawyers office. Perhaps it's not a fellowship thing, and more like they have all the law books, junior lawyers to keep busy, and time on hand to sue for reputational damage, however frivolous or useless. He might just want to avoid a paperwork slap-fight. Or a SLAAP fight haha.
Or! He already settled or convicted on that case, ergo it's possibly under a minor NDA. Enough to tell the story, not enough to name them. Perhaps they have already gone through all the liability they were legally require and it would be unwise to have those currently still at that firm to be accused. Something like that.
It's probably not just one lawyer firm that does this either, so instead of being on the lookout for the specific name that might not be in your state or country, Mike wants you to be on the lookout for that kind of tactic in general.
Lots of possibilities.
Oh that just being things like hearsay, rumors, defamation, etc...
tf would we be able to do? simply say "this type of act is illegal" and you're good
Many years ago,2001, i had bad car accident. I was in the hospital overnight. When i got home next morning i had calls from 6 different law firms asking to represent me
An unscrupulous lawyer?
Now I've heard everything!
Craziness
Yo what the Sigma???? Such an unskibidi move
“John Grisham’s The Rainmaker” film comes to mind when I heard this story.
After my accident, I started receiving so many flyers for lawyers in the mail. Like within the week..
Yup.... had calls like this for 2 weeks 6-8 times a day...
my friend went through something similar. He decided every lawyer that contacted him was off his list, and told them so. That is what we all should do. If you get solicited like this, make sure you pick someone else.
I was mildly rear ended a few years ago and I got the first letter from a lawyer the very next day. I was impressed by the speed but I wasn't injured and my employers insurance was taking care of the vehicle. Thing that really sucked is that I/we had already traded in that particular van and were waiting on the new one I ordered to come from Ford.
Back in the day they used to call them type of lawyers " ambulance chasers"
So this brings up a question I've had in the back of my mind. I'm in the process of getting diagnosed with a chronic illness, and I frequently get phone calls from doctor's offices where they want me to confirm my identity before they speak to me. And I refuse to do that, because I don't know who they are and I don't want to give out my private information to people I don't know. And situations like this, where somebody is calling and maybe aren't who I would expect them to be, is pretty much exactly what I'm afraid of. How do you get around that? They won't even tell me where they're calling from, because of patient confidentiality supposedly, so I can't call the doctor's office and say hey did you call me because I don't know which doctor it was.
Would love a follow up on what happened with the other law firm - where they sanctioned? Charged? Disbarred? Would love to see what the profession is doing to keep things legit.
Such B.S...Glad he called you BEFORE he signed those papers and returned them.
I worked for a clinic that did pain management. We had a meeting with a marketing firm that did this exact thing. In his informational meeting the guy says "if you ever tell anyone you got a patient from us, our relationship is over". Red flag.
Barratry is such a common problem and so well-orchestrated. Smh.
In Argentina we call those kind of lawyers caranchos, and the fact that they get police and medical reports or send offers to potential customers are the least illegal things they can and will do
Amigo what's the English translation for that word? I bet it's rude.
@@shieldwolf65 It's a crested caracara, a bird of prey and scavenger in the falcon family
@@mancomecanico Graçias compadre. Very appropriate description for Landsharks. Just Googled it, attractive bird, but seems more aggressive, thieving & opportunistic than carrion crows. 👍🇦🇺
@@shieldwolf65
LOL. My uncle just called vultures.
If the lawyer was particular aggressive or rude they were a bag of 💩.
It’s got all the Minecraft dungeon effects, but in 3-D
That’s crazy same thing almost happened to me , I got an attorney and everything and a fews days later someone else called me and said they were my lawyer I thought it was my lawyer originally but it wasn’t luckily I’m always on point on noticed it
Didn't have a lawyer when my car got totaled 5 years ago, didn't get checked out and still had to pay out of pocket for my new car. Still suffering from injury after not getting checked out and discovering it in an xray a year after the accident made me regret my decision. Lawyer-ing up next time anything happens to me or going to labour board, too many bad things get to slide.
Literally had this issue!! Can't be specific but know there are lawyers that will for sure stoop this low if not lower just for "easy money". Thankfully good teams still exist to even the scales 😊
Had this same thing happen to my wife. We already had a lawyer called him right away after realizing that it was the other insurance company. Our lawyer was not happy!
I thought it may have been the potential defendant’s lawyer tricking him into going to a ringer of a doctor.
My grandpa used to call lawyers like that "Ambulance chasers."
For a second it sounded like you were implying that some lawyers dont have their clients best interests at heart?
When my house burned down the vultures were hitting me up before I even talked to insurance. Fire happened in the middle of the night and I was getting calls by 6:30am on a Saturday.
So this is how certain lawyers are called “ambulance chasers”.
Good to know they can try that... Thanks!
The hustle is real.
Good to freakn know! Crazy timely for me, thank you
Heh when I was in an accident with my parents we got so many calls and texts from lawyers saying we may be entitled to money... Dude that hit us almost drove off but his truck's wheel was so damaged that it would go more then a few yards. We barely got insurance from the guy no way we'd get 'money' from him😂
This is how court TV shows like Judge Judy find cases too. They get the accident or whatever police reports (some even have access to insurance claims) and they intervene and contact the people directly.
I had a ruptured appendix and there were a couple dudes dressed in suits in my recovery room while I'm still doped to the gills on the anesthesia trying to get me to sign shit... I told 'em to come back when i could actually read the papers, or contact my mom if they needed emergency authorization. They vanished.
Why does this video almost look animated, it’s so crisp and clear!
My car was hit from behind at over 50+ mph last month, on a Saturday. Monday morning, I started getting non-stop calls from attorneys offices. I'm in Ohio.
And this is why I watch YT. I learn things to look out for in this crazy world.
Just imagine, lawyers behaving unethically.
The ambulance chasers came out of the woodwork like this when I was involved in an accident. Many phone calls from people misrepresenting who they were.
Their dialogue was very precise, as to not be actually untrue. Kinda like the 3rd party utility services that walk door-to-door with hard hats and hi-vis vests, attempting to appear as employees of your utility company.
That's what happened to me the day after a big accident. I didn't even have access to the police report yet. I'm not sure if it's illegal here in TN or not.
I got into a minor fender bender several months ago. ( drunk driver hit a car that hit me.) Cops are called and it was dealt with.
All I receiveed was very mild case of whiplash but that's it.
Within two days I get a call from a physical therapist office. I did not go to a walk in clinic or anything so I can't figure out how they contacted me. They insisted I should visit them " just in case ". Felt like they knew more about the accident than I did.
Imagine going through university for 4 years to get a degree, then 3 years in law school, only to become a scammer?!?!
You know it's bad when even lawyers are scamming people
I feel like whoever this guy was going against hired a lawyer, and those lawyers tried to swindle having both of them at once to get a deal for the first guy
Fortunately, when they tried this with me they tried to tell me that my 1 mile per hour collision had caused me neck pains so I was just like, "...no it didn't," and hung up.
I was a temp for a well known accident attorney. They have billboards all over, and have tv ads.
They have people who run to accident scenes (motorcycles, cars) and give them the attorney’s card ! And like this video, have the plaintiffs sign papers and etc!
now why can't they make laws like that when a property owner dies, and the beneficiaries get calls from agents 10 times a day for months??
Those types of lawyers are called, "ambulance chasers"...
Mr. Rafi has been practicing for 11.5 years and seems to have enough stories for a 75 year old that's been practicing for 50 years.
Has happened to me before. I thought it was changed that I started getting calls from a law firm shortly after I was rear-ended.
It's called ambulance chasing and has been going on since the beginning of lawyers.
Mike's got this