The Thieves Guild's Most Frustrating Mystery - The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- In the Thieves Guild's headquarters in Riften, we meet a fellow named Rune whose backstory is steeped in the most perplexing and baffling mystery. However, is it all how it seems or maybe, just maybe there is something in this...
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Dragonborn: _Completely fucks up the Thieves Guild entry level test, which was barely even difficult at all_
Brynjolf: I’m telling you guys, there’s something special about him, it’s almost like he just exudes main character energy!!!
the leader also felt the MC energy. it is why we got send on an impossible mission that no one execpt the leader with a legendary artifact would have been able to do. then we just do it as we are the dragonborn so yeah. Mercer accepted us into the guild knowing full well we will one day find out his secert lol
Bethesda is so afraid that we'll miss out on one of their shitty questlines that they cannot let us fail. Utterly obliterating the immersion in the process.
@@reddeaddude2187 I for one would be upset if I couldnt do one of the 4 faction questlines due to me doing something else like fighting a dragon that is attacking and losing the ability to ever join 1 of 4 factions we can join. probably why I didnt like Morrowind. I rather not lose hours of process because someone died when fighting or even due to the engine glitchs that are so common
@@SunnyBunny148 There's a reason we can save at anytime.
@@reddeaddude2187 true, take care :3
The real most frustrating mystery? What are the important things Brynjolf has to do?
Okay this is the second most frustrating thieves guild mystery.
Brynjolf was referring to yo mamma
Stuff n thangs
@@arifhossain9751 got em
Keep his hand on it? ;)
He is probably another victim of cut content. My best guess is that he would have a quest tied to those bugs in a jar you can find in specific locations; they all have runes when you examine them and they probably were related to Rune's stone.
And yet it would seem according to the game files, everything about Rune is actually present in game. Perhaps stripped back ideas is a better term than cut content but I didn't even consider the bugs in jars.
Just finish it and mod it back in.
Helps that we know the bugs in jars are from a cut quest.
Rune probably wasn't important in his past life, mayhap the heir to a modest trading company in Tamriel but was attacked by mad wizard pirates, which now saying that; that be a great mod! Still, my headcanon wizard pirates used something AKIN to an elder scroll and blanked Rune's old family from existence, but Rune being the only survivor must imply some god is making Rune into some hero?
@@Based_Gigachad_001there’s already a mod that does
Rune's parents taking turns wearing a cowl that makes the other immediately forget who they are has... weird kink implications.
Welcome to another episode of me faking knowing what I'm talking about until I actually do, please enjoy!
Man would love to see a fallout video if you like those games and would like to do the video, obviously
@@z-herb8006 I like Fallout games, however I do like to laser focus on topics as and when I get round to them.
@Fizhy cool, love your videos regardless, always a must watch in my opinion
I've never watched a video of yours that didn't interest me, whereas the topics themselves of course can't always be as appealing to me as another. My point is: no matter what material you cover, you always do a great job. Keep it up :)
@@Fizhy Minecraft lore perhaps?
I've never heard the interpretation that Rune made up his backstory, but it makes sense the more I think about it, which I can't really say about the other more well known theories about Rune.
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One thing that drives me nuts is that we never get to see the stone.
It's actually a pretty sound theory. Just like we can look around the map and see little hints that point you in dead end directions, Rune might have thought the same. Sort of like Keyser Soze making things up while looking at an array of random object, Rune could have looked at a map and picked out a few things which he incorporated into his backstory. He could have seen the Orphan's Tear and that led to the claim that he was an orphan found on a shipwreck near Solitude since it's close enough to reality to sound plausible but not real enough to be refuted by anyone connected to real events. Things like that. Great video.
Thank you kindly, I worried I was talking out my backside and quite frankly I'm sure I do at points, however I'd like to think the idea that Rune may be playing loose with the truth is an interesting concept with tangible aspects to it.
I wonder if perhaps Rune's parents might have fucked around and found out with an elder scroll? I mean, weird runes, removal from history? Those are things that have been associated with the scrolls before, although how Rune ended up on a shipwreck of all places is still very odd
This is why I like the idea that his story isn't meant to add up, very elaborate, very interesting and clearly crafted in such a fashion that it would be interesting from the perspective of the guild he's joined
I always spent time dumping jems and shit in the vault because it never updated with your progression, i wish it did honestly. One of the few things i cant “forgive or defend” in my favourite game.
It's a minor and inconsequential detail. I can agree that it would absolutely be better if it did, but it is absolutely not something worthy of "can't defend, can't forgive".
I think it could have been a side quest in early stages of Skyrim's development, as the options of dialogue with Rune point to it. The Dragonborn tells him he'll keep an eye out for a clue about his past, just like Brand-Shei asks the player to. And Brand-Shei actually gives us the quest to fetch him a journal (in a shipwreck too!).
Also, I believe that the developpers cut some things about Saphire, too. Or they didn't want to further extend the dialogue options with the Dragonborn, as the last possible option leaves us with "Maybe I'll tell my real name, someday"
Perhaps developers thought to come up with something you could do to help out Rune, but then they were probably like, "nah"
Rune's parents might have been merchants which is why they might have been travelling by ship.
I can't wait for Riften's sequel. Rift Eleven.
I love this lmao
Can't wait for Dalinar to burn the rift.
./slow clap.
laughs, hates self for laughing. Tips McKadow because, okay, I'll pay that one.
I hate to be that guy but don't you mean Rif eleven?
I don't know if I hate or love this comment
Rune is a pretty normal name in Scandinavia... which makes this whole thing seem less mysterious to me.
But “Rune” (rún) *literally* means secret or mystery, lol.
@@Sanguivore lol. I had no idea! For me it's just, like, 3 kids i went to middle school with.
I always thought his parents were probably Blades agents on the run, not settling down in one place for long to avoid getting off'd by the Thalmor and the rune stone has zero magical application, but is a signal or a code of some sort intentionally made to be frustrating. See, if his parents somehow got separated from Rune (they had to leave him in someone else's care due to danger, or they got nabbed and managed to escape, or a disaster occurred) they could eventually be reunited. A boy looking into strange runes carved on a stone is a good piece of gossip, and the Blades know how to deal in information gathering at least.
Rune was the name of one of my teachers at some point. Seeing as this game takes HEAVY inspiration from Nordic / Scandinavian Culture i may also add how the name Rune is pronounced in Norway. The E at the end is pronounced similarly to the E in the word Well. Just a little fun fact i hope anyone here found educational.
We're all Rune on this blessed day 🙇🏻♀️
as a kiddo, I spent hours searching the shipwrecks of the coast of Skyrim and I was upset I could never help Rune. I even searched the wrecks farther from Solitude just to make sure and still came up with nothing 🥲 justice for Rune!!!! i need closure! 😂
I absolutely did the same thing for ages. >.< I was sad when I never found anything; he was really intriguing to me.
I thought it was just a Thief reference. Main character Garret pickpockets a Keeper just like Rune's story and those keepers performs magic through glyphs, which kinda look like runes. The character even kinda looks like Garret.
Thank you for sharing my frustration about how little I know about this guy even though I see him on every playthrough
I like the theory Rune is the son of our protagonist from Oblivion and that everyone has forgotten because he/she is the Grey Fox
Time tho?
200 years old?
as soon as i saw this video on my feed i yelled "WHO IS RUNE!????????" lmao
i am eating these skyrim videos UP!! thanks for dinner fizhy
I love all your content so much, all the lore videos fascinate me & they're also so relaxing to fall asleep to.
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You just need his parents to be a single mom who got knocked up by a random sailor who wears the cowl.
"Erasing themselves from history" leads me to an entirely different conclusion. Zero sum.
Also, him being an Imperial and nobody in Tamriel makes me think he's not from Tamriel at all, but in fact Akavir. Uriel Septim the 5th went to Akavir and it's possible some Imperials were unable to retreat and weren't slain.
Perhaps Rune's real origin were the friends we made along the way.
Love it, your story telling is great. Regardless of popularity you have a unique story telling style. So going over any story is fun
He's Prince Lonestar...and I'm sticking with that!
Yeah, I’ve always thought of it as an easter egg to Spaceballs which would make sense for why it’s not too in depth but had just enough context for someone to relate it to the movie as long as they’ve seen it. 😂
My theory is that Rune is an Atmoran, a native of the continent of Atmora far to the north of Skyrim. We have never seen Atmora in any Elder Scrolls game, and know next to nothing about it, but it was the homeland of the ancestors of the Nords, so it makes sense that they would use runestones. Though we’re told that most Atmorans sailed to Skyrim in the First Era as their homeland gradually became unliveable due to increasing cold and the growing number of hostile Draugr. However, again, we don’t know if there are still settlements on the continent.
Edit: didn’t know he was an Imperial, that puts a bit of a hole in the theory. Of course, we have to consider that Atmoran is not a race in the game, and if I remember my lore, the Atmorans and the Nedes - the ancestors of the Imperials - are at least tangentially related, both being wandering Ehlnofey.
This has always been my theory too. I feel like his Imperial race was just a placeholder, especially since I recall that technically all humans come from the same origin. I may be misremembering, but this is the most interesting/fun theory to me (:
While that might be a gameplay thing (nord would be better for it though) but Atmora was frozen long before 4th era
Not sure if this is another word for Nedes (not _that_ deep on the lore) but aren't the Imperials also pretty closely related (at least in appearance) to the Akiviri humans? I know the Akiviri brought over the concept of dragonborn and declared the first emperor to be one so I assume some connection is there.
The "strange runes" could be more like an East Asian script rather than "true" runes
Also, while the player-character dragonborn's canonical age isn't known (I assume), if Rune were Akiviri it could be that they (his family etc) divined a new dragonborn was coming and set sail to meet them, which explains why they headed for Skyrim
@@isaac_marcus Nedes are not related to Akaviri - in fact, it’s unknown if the Akaviri, or Tsaesci, are even humans at all. In earlier Kirkbridian texts, they’re said to be “snake-men”, but this is far from confirmed. What you’re thinking of is the Akaviri Potentate, which was when the Empire was ruled by what was basically a military dictatorship of the Emperor’s Tsaesci guards. What happened was, during the reign of Emperor Reman Cyrodiil, the forces of Akavir invaded Tamriel. Reman was Dragonborn, and when he met them in battle he used the Voice (not an actual shout, he just shouted his name really loudly), and the Tsaesci all stopped fighting and hailed him as their emperor. The Tsaesci became Reman’s personal bodyguard/army, he used them to conquer Tamriel, and then he died. After a succession of poor emperors, Reman’s line died out, and the Tsaesci took over running the Empire for a while. However, there’s little evidence that they ever actually settled Cyrodiil in large numbers, or interbred with the locals on a large scale.
I just came across your channel and dude, I love it.
I’m loving these Skyrim videos man👏 I’m on my second play through ever and it’s been awesome, being able to do the “right” things for my run. I’ve never had any play with any mods either so all of that is great. To top it off I’ve got you and a couple others making Skyrim videos to watch.🎉🍻
It would actually be kind of cool if Rune turned out to be a spy. It would also explain why he starts sucking up to you so quickly. He probably knows you're going to be the big boss soon.
Loving these videos!
I feel terrible for Rune. Sapphire was able to have some closure because you are able to discover Glover Mallory is her father. But Rune? Bethesda shamefully denied him a resolution.
I feel like maybe his adoptive dad lied to him about the runes and didn't think he'd take it so seriously (as children often do). Belief is a powerful thing.
I always assumed that the ship, “Orphan’s Tear” meant something in-game. Like a ship that collects orphans who eventually end up at the orphanage in Riften. If that’s Rune’s ship, then maybe he was orphaned before the shipwreck and not during. That would add a level of complexity to the in-game private investigator that wrote to Rune explaining how he looked everywhere for the parents but couldn’t find anything - assuming he would have looked at shipping manifests, records, and logs that weren’t lost to sea.
Do we know for sure that he is only Imperial? It might be interesting if he is half Imperial and half Nord. Maybe a child of war/conflict that needed to be hidden?
Im addicted to your channel right now
Loving the longer videos also I've got a question do you intend to ever make a video about the game bully if you haven't already
I've done a video on Bully, I know it has a few myths/urban legends that'd slot in nicely with my style of content so I might consider a video of that nature sometime
@@Fizhyalright thank you for letting me know was just curious that was all
Could his father and mother be apart of the psijic order? Considering they are rarely seen and almost a myth to most mages?
I like your theory about Rune being the author, it makes more sense to me than the Grey Fox theory. I sometimes play with the thought that Rune is a failed Dragonborn. As in, he was supposed to wake up in the carrige to Helgen, but he never got there, so "we" the player character became the substitute Dragonborn 😂
loving the skyrim content!
Has anyone considered the possibility that maybe the farmer made the story up? Maybe for whatever reason he didn't want to tell Rune his true origin and so made something up. Might explain why it doesn't make perfect sense as he may not have thought it through entirely. He just wanted Rune to believe his past was an unknowable mystery.
Isn't there a quest in the dark brotherhood where you have to find a book in a shipwreck underwater maybe that's connected to it like a contract gone wrong and his family had to be killed or something 🤔
Love the Skyrim coverage❤.
Also miss the starfield theory’s and lore
Maybe when the DLC drops there’ll be more to come
keep em comin!
I watched a bunch of your RDR2 videos and I find it hilarious that right as I start replaying Skyrim you start making Skyrim videos
I’m inside your walls
Fizhy doing Elder Scrolls videos? Praise be to the Nine!
if it wasn’t just runes parents who had the gray fox mask, but what if they put it on him as a child to erase his identity and then he got separated from them, but I know the mask was lifted of its curse so that’s probably not it
blessed again with another skyrim video
and here i am, installing the damn game again, thanks Fizhy
Very thorough for something that has no real answer! I’d love some Dawnguard exploration 😊
Many great stories have mysteries that serve to deepen the world of the author’s creation.
Tolkien himself said in a letter to a fan that even he had no idea what Tom Bombadil really was.
Or where Ungoliant went after Morgoth needed 3 Balrogs to escape her gluttony…
It’s just there to make you dig deep into everything else. Just so you can enjoy the experience.😊
I've always theorized that his true parents were higher ups in society and losing their son benefited them in some way (not saying they planned the ships sinking, but they cashed in on it for some sort of clout or wealth) and have probably either paid off the investigator to tell rune he hasn't found anything, or erased all connections to him.
A mystery with no intended solution is Todd's Secret Sauce
Id imagine that if runes original cover story is true, there would be people to back up that claim. Did the fisherman who rescued him disappear mysteriously too? Is there not anyone in solitude who remembers when rune first appeared out of the shipwreck? No one who knew him as a kid when his memory was fresh?
Rune could be training to get used to the unavoidable possibility of missing his blade strike.
^ And you can't learn new moves if you're too close to something tangible.
^ Hell, at least I imagine, that having the expectation that you'll miss more than hit, will be more useful.
I wonder if its an easter egg for the runes in the insect jars. The art team made the jars hoping that there would be a quest and the developers were like "no" and i wonder if this was an easter egg for that
I think Rune wasn't born in Tamreil.
I think he was a prince from some continent/island nation up north.
Why I think he's a Prince? bastards an Easter egg from Mell Brooks Space balls (Lone Star)
I personally like the theory that the rune actually IS one of the spell runes from ESO. It takes place waaaaaaaaay before the other games and the stones are barely understood in their own time. I could see their knowledge being lost to history, except, perhaps by a small group or lineage that culminated in Rune's discovery.
This is a cool theory! It's so frustrating that we never got any sort of closure on him
It always feels weird i have to punch people to get the money while im in te THIEVES guild.
I got a crackpot theory, but what if Rune is actually from Akavir, because he has a rune with a completely unknown language on it, he is an imperial on a boat that doesn't make since sinking where it is if his family was trying to get to Skyrim and his parents have no records of existing. I know it's crazy, but it could work, as well as taking into account that the original plot of Skyrim was of an Akivir invasion.
I was thinking about this too.
The Akiviri humans are, at least sometimes, close in appearance with Imperials.
Also, the Akiviri humans were the ones who basically brought the idea of Dragonborn to Tamriel. And we play a Dragonborn. Our character's age isn't really definite, but it could be that they divined the coming birth of a dragonborn in Tamriel and sent a ship to meet them (like the three wise men tale in the bible), but sadly got shipwrecked.
Maybe the real Rune was the friends we got along the way.
"swing a weapon in the same postcode as the dummy" hehehehe
I love these kinds of investigation videos in video games, I'd love to see more of these in other games like baldur's gate 3.
On another note, there's a cave in the game called chillwind depths, it is inhabited by falmers who have been kidnapping travelers in an effort to sacrifice them to some creature in a ritual, it is never explained what this creature was. You might wanna make a video on that
I wonder about a connection with the bugs in jars, which also have undecipherable runes, and the Pilgrim's Trench north of Morthal (impoverished fishing town).
KEEP MAKING MORE OD THESE
Rune is not Nithilis Lidari, he couldn’t make up a story that he pickpocketed Brynjolf without it being true unless Brynjolf is complicit. Brynjolf would have heard rumors of the story and reacted.
I didn’t suggest he was being untruthful about that in particular, just rather his backstory
Aspen? I thought they were Birch trees
It's been years since I played out this quest, but there is a book on a wreck on the beach
I wonder if it was named orphan's tear because Rune was found on it and assumed an orphan. I mean I think it makes sense
The real frustrating thing, is the implication that "Rune" is in any way a strange name. It's rather common here in Scandinavia.
Sincerely, Rune.
Gotta say, loving all the Skyrim content you've been making👍
More to come for sure!
This is weirdly my favourite Skyrim mystery
What if runes parents put the cursed cowl on themselves then put the cowl on rune. Erasing all three from history, and when the fisherman gave him a new name he became a new person
The cowl was no longer cursed though?
Any more skyrim videos you decide to do?I'm down for it
Beyond the 5 completed, I've got 11 other ideas listed at present and growing.
please do any thing in dawnstar please please please
It's always about the Thieves Guild, but what about the Theives Guilt? Much to think about.
The thieves live with the guilt of permanently depriving the citizens of Skyrim of their personal effects.
I don't know why I keep forgetting about the Grey fox
idk why i think it's a Dishonored easter egg,cause the rune matches the ones found in Dishonored
It's an interesting mystery, to be sure. It's entirely possible he does appear as intended, and we're not meant to know the answer to any of the questions Rune and his story poses. Sometimes it's just not possible to learn the answer to a question like that, even if narratively that's not a very satisfying conclusion. The idea that he might be the infiltrator trying to study the decline of the guild is interesting - it's not like we have to or should take him at his word. Even Athel's specific phrasing of "erased from history" might not be anything more than a reflection of his particular difficulty in finding anything of use about Rune's parents.
The only other idea I can come up with - and it's tentative at best - is that his parents had some connection to the Blades. This depends a bit on how old Rune is; my guess just based on appearance, as well as the impression that he's been with the guild for a little while at least, is that he may be in his late twenties or possibly early thirties by 4E 201, when Skyrim begins. The Great War occurred from 4E 171 to 175, so it's possible that he would have been a young (potentially very young) child around that time.
We know from various sources that the Thalmor wanted to wipe out the Blades, and that they very nearly succeeded, destroying Cloud Ruler Temple in Cyrodiil and rooting out almost all of their agents. Shortly after the player meets Esbern, he claims that, aside from what he can personally remember, he was only able to recover "a few scraps" from the "Blades archives" specifically regarding Alduin's Wall and the prophecy it records. So it stands to reason that records relating to the Blades are hard to come by even for the surviving Blades themselves, not least because they were a somewhat secretive organization that has become even more clandestine by necessity now that they've been officially outlawed in the Empire and hunted by the Thalmor. More than likely, many records were destroyed in the fighting, intentionally or otherwise.
To my knowledge, Esbern is really the only person we can meet in Skyrim with any expertise in reading and deciphering Akaviri lore and inscriptions. So if the eponymous rune had some connection to the Blades, and by extension the Akaviri, that might explain why none of the scholarly sources Rune and Athel consulted were able to explain what it meant. That said, there are books we can find in-game outside of the Blades quests that concern the Akaviri and the Blades, so it would be a little strange if nobody could at least identify the object as Akaviri in origin if not translate it.
This of course doesn't resolve the issue of why exactly he was on a ship bound for Solitude that wrecked and sank. If his parents had some connection to the Blades, they might have been trying to escape while avoiding land routes, which are presumably watched closely by the Thalmor. But then why exactly they would be going to Skyrim, which was at the time an Imperial province, and specifically to Solitude, which was and is a center of Imperial power (and thus dangerous given their acquiescence to the Thalmor's demands) is also questionable.
So yeah. Not a complete or particularly convincing theory, I suppose, but something I thought might be worth sharing nonetheless.
Assuming it's true, there's something funny to me about the idea that the person best equipped to solve Rune's mystery was hiding in the Ratway almost next door to the Thieves Guild without him knowing.
Hes Obviously LoneStar. He just hasn't run across the everlasting know-it-all, Yogurt. once he does he'll find out hes the last heir of the Septim line, and get to marry a princess
7:23 He does technically appear out of thin air every time you load the game
Probably a really buggy quest that Todd cannot fix and just deleted it.
I spent literal hours finding anything on this.
Found nothing
I actually like the idea that Rune is this obscure author. It makes sense. That being said, isn't there another character in the game with a similar back story? He's a merchant, and I think in Riften, as well. He was also adopted by some fisherman or something, had something on his person, and was found on a crashed boat. Except, we get a quest marker to said boat and find out he was from a noble family. I wonder if Rune was a slight veriation of the same story and quest, but they just didn't expand on it further.
Or, as a thief trying to become a member of the thieves guild (or author trying to infiltrate the thieves guild), stole that guy's story and remade it as his own.
**Edit: The quest is called Distant Memories.
Rune is obviously one the sons of the king who died from the books beggar, theif, warrior and king
I really like the theory that Rune is the undercover author. It makes a lot of sense.
Maybe he is being honest as he can be about his past. Given the various crazy types of magic and such that exist in ES, it could be the rune stone thing he has is some sort of magical cognito-hazard. A bit like the gray cowl. Possibly the runes on it could be totally unique and thus unknown to anyone other than the maker. Or they could be like said earlier a cognito hazard and viewing them activates the magic and renders the observer incapable of recognizing or understanding the runes. What if his actual parents made it for some reason, perhaps they were in some sort of trouble and were able to aquire or make the stone themselves. It could be they made it to alter or erase memories, in an attempt to hide. Possibly something went awry and it worked incorrectly or to well and it removed his and his parents memories. This could be done via an activation phrase.Then if the runes are unique or cognito hazard as a base defense, it’d explain the loss of his memory and parents and why nobody can discern the runes.
I know logically that he's actually a victim of cut content that they never bothered to clean up (us telling him we'll keep an eye out.) However, I have two ideas that I'm a fan of. One is time travel, the rune could be a rune from ESO that simply was lost to history. When you start ESO, there was a brutal storm that left many shipwrecked and even more missing. Maybe Rune's ship got caught up in the storm, something happened, and they shipwrecked in the future (ESO takes place before the other games I think.)
I also like the idea that it has something to do with the Psijic Order. Even the Mage's Guild doesn't understand them very well, if at all. There's some mystery shrouding them and I like the idea that some of tbem left whatever island they're on and got shipwrecked (maybe by accident or as sabotage.)
dark brotherhood retirees!
It's Lonestar! 😂🤣😂🤣
It’s simple, we uh… Make an expansion mod for him…
The thieves guild most frustrating mystery(s) are all the mindnumbing plotholes left in by Bethesdas "writer"
I think epic nate did a vid about it and his idea was his parents had the cowl of the grey fox i think its called.and thats why they dissapeard
The grey cowl!?!? 9:40. Guess made.
You right.....can't you erase your name out of the elder scrolls(destiny, but in 2d form). 21:01
Has anyone in the time that this game existed tried to track down the fisherman who saved our "Rune" character? My thoughts for this would be that, if the fisherman were to still be alive, he could give the location of the shipwreck where he found "Rune". This would be a logical step in my opinion to start a quest in an open world and make the quest interesting and to help Rune get closure. Finding the shipwreck could in turn lead to extra clues to finding his parents or perhaps remember who he was before.