VORTEX - Beginner's Guide #4 : Plugins and Load Order
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UPDATE: Priorities were replaced with LOOT Groups.
Contents:
00:00 - Intro
01:12 - Data Files (esm/esl/esp)
01:52 - Enable/Disable Data Files
03:04 - Data File Details : Viewing important information
03:36 - 'Master File' vs 'Master of' File
05:10 - Missing Masters
06:36 - Load Order: What is it? And why is it important?
09:02 - Managing your load order with Vortex
09:51 - LOOT Groups
13:42 - Adding a new LOOT Group
17:19 - Dependancies
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WHY. CAN'T. I. JUST. DRAG. AND. DROP
SO SIMPLE. DAMN YOU VORTEX
I have never been more frustrated than going back into downloading mods and finding out that I can no longer do this.
I have to admit that just learning about modding this was pretty annoying, but I actually like being able to create the rules for when the programs interact, but there aren't enough options to tell the mods how to behave in the load order, you should be able to designate which you want first and what group you want last so when you load in a new program it just plunks it in with regards to the rules you've established. That and that if you uninstall something it completely clears all the pre-existing rules around it, which you have to do just to get the masters check to run from time to time. I wish there were just a button to run the masters/conflicts detection.
It's better to create rules so LOOT API knows where to put your .esp and .esl files, if we were able to just drag and drop and sort with LOOT after it would just revert the manually dragged files.
@@fresh218 people who understand what they are downloading and were manually arranging load order were most likely either not using LOOT at all, or it was used as a first pass to be refined. Using LOOT after arranging load order just means that the person in question does not understand what they are doing.
@@Manchineel3993 And what's wrong with people that not understand what they are doing? Without a direct approach and some mistakes, people will never learn properly.
To all beginners now and in the future, steel up and good luck! May your framerates be high and your CTDs be low.
If only he covered how to use the tools..
Honestly i cant fucking stand vortex.
I have so many weapon mod texture conflicts and nexus just let me easy overwrite and forget about it, but now i have to fucking arrange like 8 different mods in the most inconvenient possible fucking way because it wont just let me drag them all in order its an absolute headache
King ofSauce, yeah it’s so fucking annoying. I tried to import all my mods from nmm but only got the plugins not the ability to see the mods. Also, I had to manually click import for all the mods I was importing and had to manually enable the plugins with the frustration of some of them occasionally disabling by themselves for no reason. Even worse, if I want to download or update a mod I need vortex as nmm no longer lets me log in.
@@Charlakin I accidentally did that with Nexus. Unlike you I'm not very good with that sought of thing so I had to start all again by rebooting my computer and deleting everything. When I want to install nexus again that's when I discovered vortex.
@David Haynes yeah, my initial solution when nmm does that was find an updated version or download mods manually and move it via nmm. Since there was none to be found and only Vortex I decided to get over with it and get the latest version so I won't have to deal with anymore issue. Then, I discovered that Vortex is still being worked on and so much more inconvenient. Hopefully I'll figure out a way to fix vortex or see if moving back to nmm works, worse things worse I'll have to wait until they update the program.
Me: I want B to come after A.
Vortex: Ok, that makes sense to me.
Me: And C to come after B.
Vortex: No, that's a circular reference.
Me: What?
Vortex: It's just impossible. Can't be done. Would destroy the spacetime continuum to attempt it.
Me: Can I just drag C up then?
Vortex: God no, that would be way too easy.
exactly what I have been experiencing -.- *sigh*
@@Fengromm use MO2, Vortex is shit
@@robosergTV A question I install mods and it is not installed where is the game but in the vortex folder do you know how I can solve that?
Seriously. And then if you talk about it on a forum all the stuck up guys come in telling you how "superior" it is to NMM, and why manual sorting can't and shouldn't be a thing on Vortex.
10 Me: I want to login.
Vortex: SSL error. Try again.
20 GOTO 10
Is it just me or have they made something that used to be fairly simple into something much more complicated?
Well that is true of every mod manager ever. Its different. It forces a different way of thinking. Its not more complicated, but it is new if you are accustomed to the old way of thinking. I dont think Vortex is aimed at the old guard but rather the next generation of mod users that are blank slates.
It definitely seems less intuitive then nmm or Mo. It barely took me anytime at all to learn on those programs.
@@GophersVids Back in the day all you needed was an unzipper and the balls to dump random files into your game folder to install a mod.
@@synthiandrakon And you can still do that if you don't mind all the downsides to that :)
@@GophersVids Oh i know it was a bit of a parody of people talking about how much easier modding used to be. Its better now than it has ever been the old sites it was about a 50/50 chance it was a virus
Still wish I could move files manually. Quitte baffling that a supposed upgrade and better mod manager remove one of the core functionnalities that was the reason people used mod organizer.
why can't i just drag a plugin to where i want it to be in the load order?
i wonder exactly the same, dont know what they where thinking when they did that
Thinking the same. Madness.
The LOOT groups tell me next to NOTHING. I have no early or late loader group which would make some sense, but this is totally unintuitive. Suspect at this point, it's a matter of pride and arrogance.
Nah, m8. That would be too simple . They can't have us using a mod manager that's easy to understand+ operate. We need one that acts likes an 8 year old with ADD, that also snorts Meth.
the whole load order system was built based on an assumption: the users do not know what the correct order is.
and that is true in most cases, as the majority of mod users are NOT power users, but merely end-users who just want to plug-and-play the game.
running into some load order bugs, post the load order to some mod sites and wait for days until some senpai to come and save the game is probably the last thing they want.
this is where dependency kicks in, to ensure all the mods have their masters loaded first before themselves, this will guarantee all installed and enabled mods are indeed loaded in-game.
Wow. This used to be easy. Who on earth is the tool that over engineered the load order options?
It seems Vortex follows the Microsoft philosophy of automatic and broken over direct and effective.
So here I am, 2019. And I'm asking myself, why can't I just select multiple plugins drag them and put them where I want, like it used to be? Isn't that WAY more simpler for the end user? instead we gotta go with all this hassle of groups and what not. That whole diagram thing blows my brains off. What the actual .... If it ain't broken don't fix it.
As a programmer, the saying is actually true: A user interface is like a joke, if you gotta explain it, then it's not very good.
Yeah. I'm just trying it out and I stumbled on that LOOT Group diagram whilst trying to click and drag. What on earth. Why? Who decided that was a good idea?
Groups look neat, I understand the effort to make it simpler, but how on earth is that monstrosity of a diagram easier to use? Please just let me click and drag. All I want is to move my patches below my original files, which should be done automatically but isn't for some reason...
I'm all for change, but pointless and confusing change that leads to nothing but headaches isn't ideal.
@@Nightstick24 ikr? or why not have it as an option at least to sort things with drag and drop? Should've listened to the thousand modders out there and just go straight to MO2..
Tell me about it. NMM is replaced by vortex (far as I know) and now I can´t do shit with my load order, before I just dragged and left what I needed where I needed. This is pathetic. I had a hard time forcing myself back to FO4 but this just makes me uninstall it because I can´t even sort my own mods now. I NEVER had problems with load orders, NEVER. Now I just can´t set up my game at all.
I think this system is useful in the cases where you have 100+ mods and you are constantly adding and removing ones, it would be very easy to fuck it up without these rules automatically adjusting it. For smaller modlists though I agree, it's a little much.
I lol'd so hard when I saw the diagram. That thing just came straight out of a graph theory lecture.
This has been an amazing little series. I'm still pretty ignorant when it comes to these things and you have done a great job in helping people like me out. Thank you so much!
Once again, Gopher thank you for these tutorials, and all of your contributions to modding over the years. You've made these games so much more fun for thousands of us!
Thank you! You either are or were a teacher at one point in life. Well done!
Installing and using vortex has been the biggest mistake in my modding history
Yeah
\AGREE - I was having trouble with MO2 (I'm still not sure it was that - I reinstalled EVERYTHING), so I figured I would 'upgrade' to Vortex in the process - HUGE MISTAKE. What a horrible, overly-complicated mess. Comparing it to MO2, its like a 1982 Corvette... that came with a 6-cylinder. Very pretty to look at, but nothing worthwhile under the hood.
I wish whoever started making this abomination just continued NMM, at least that worked most of the time...
@@agentzead5294 seriously, not beeing able to manualy drag-drop the load order plugins is complete trash, the lack of that makes tme think that even NMM, with all its instability, is better...
Nexus Mod Manager forever
I stumbled across this 4 years after you released this. Still super helpful! Thank you for your hard work!
Seriously, thank you SO MUCH for adding detailed bookmarks and being clear and concise
Forever grateful for these videos, I haven't really played skyrim since 2020 and kind of forgot well everything about modding so these videos have really helped me remember how to do all this
Gave up on Vortex and moved to Mod Organizer, best decision ever, its just so easy and straight forward to use not to mention powerful
Agreed. I tried Vortex for a while, but it started annoying me. Mod Organizer is so much better and easier to use.
I thought MO2 is the standard now
It is for them that know better
I went from NMM to Vortex. I've been really happy with Vortex, but yeah, early on, it was kind of rough. I've been using it about as soon as it was available and now it's on 0.16.1.TESTING. It's much more stable than it used to be and I'm still very hopeful that it will soon become a standard. I think(assume?) it's going to be Nexus's replacement of Nexus Mods Manager (NMM). Once you understand mods enough you realize the mods managers pretty much do the same thing. Vortex is as non-"techy" as you can get with a product as "techy" as a mods manager...but it's still very intuitive (IMHO). I was at the point where I was considering trying out Mod Organizer when Vortex popped out so I tired it instead. Glad I did. I love it. But everyone's entitled to their own opinions. As long as mods from Nexusmods are supported. :)
Tried Vortex, decided to stick with the buggy piece of shit that is Nexus Mod Manager simply because I love the UI for the software. It's very simple to use and when it works, it just works.
This is disaster, i can't move the load order, "revert and save" thing remove the plugin, i must reinstall all 160 mods one by one and... It's already 5 AM
Great video gopher. I have been using the old version and I did not know about loot groups. It's really the change I needed to have more control over my load order.
Two years later and still helpful! Thanks, I was missing a master and you were the only guide to help me
This series has really helped me. Thank you for making it.
why did they want to start using vortex instead of the Nexus mod manager? It was a great tool that didn't need replacing. I've tried using the vortex and its convoluted and confusing. I miss the overwrite features where it prompted you if you wanted to overwrite another mod and you could say yes to mod so that it would only overwrite a specific mod. That is convenient and you can't seem to do that in the vortex. It's annoying
Not only that but its game breaking, it completely broke my fallout 4 and now it can't even go 5 seconds without crashing to desktop
I know right! I miss Nexus Mod Manager...
Actually you can and there is a tutorial out on that.
@@MrKILLINOOBZ I had the same issue. I switched to Vortex following a tutorial and crashes non stop. I had to reboot my PC, verify the files on steam and then restart and everything works. Weird as hell and maybe just my circumstance, but maybe yours as well.
I no longer play fallout due to Vortex. Lmao
Thanks for this tutorial Gopher. I appreciate it. It cleared up a few FAQ's I had about Vortex. Keep up with the good work.
Thank you Gopher. I've been using Vortex about 6 months now. Fallout 4 is the the most stable, Skyrim not so much. I paid much closer attention to dependencies this time watching. So, far I've been able to manage load order conflicts through the automatic pop ups. But, I really needed to see the manual processes again. Very helpful! Cheers mate!
Thank you for the lesson as I will use Vortex later when it moves from alpha to beta. Keep informing us on any additional information in the future.
THANK YOU... I learnt on the fly through trial and error... and for the most part have been successful. But something as simple as 'load order' is not so self evident. Your videos are a Godsend for people like me. Much appreciate the clear, concise and literacy on the way you conveyed the instructions :)
Following the series right now, incredibly well explained, amazing job!!!
Gopher, thanks for simple, easy to follow instructions for Vortex. I figured a lot of it out on my own as the software is fairly intuitive. However, your help with resolving conflicts was very much appreciated. I watched it all just to make sure I didn't miss anything important. Now to go fix the conflicts that are preventing my 3rd party female meshes from appearing on character.... Cheers Mate!
Okay so this video didn't answer my original question but a mod author did so I came back to this to find out how to change my load order and this has been a godsend. Thank you Gopher!
Very good and glad you updated. I miss the category listing separations boxes like in NMM.
Best tutorial voice ever! I´m not a native speaker and had problems with the pronunciation very often, but this is a feast for the ears! Thanks for that!
Watching this in 2022 now. You are a fantastic teacher and I thank you so much for all your great guides over the years!
Loved this. great.
I was going to use the time links to jump to dependencies but you kept my attention with the information till I got there watching the whole thing.
Thank you very much for making this and making it easy.
Your videos are so informative, was able to fix a crash problem I was having due to "missing masters". Thank you!
Thanks Gopher, really appreciate the work gone on with these tutorials. it's really helped me now 10yrs later get back into this. lots of hrs gonna be taken from me lol
When I thought I understood Vortex! I look up load order and bam your video came up! This has taught me a lot!
Thanks Gopher, always love seeing your work.
Thanks Gopher, you are always there with the answers.
9:00 - Shortcut for people who only want to know how to manage load order.
Thanks, Gopher!
thanks man
Not entirely sure why there's the negative comments here. I have 0% experience with using mods, I downloaded this, then downloaded the mods directly with also syncing my Vortex account and following these videos. They are slightly different from how the 2021 is, but I Enabled the mods and I've had no issues. This was pretty easy and explained pretty well. Thanks regardless for the vids there Gopher, much appreciated! ^-^
You guys are freaking badass. This app has been a lot of quality work! I simply loved it from first sight. And a few hours later I just finished my 144 mods setup for FONV. Everything seemed intuitive. Custom changes to files from outside Vortex seem to be handled by the app with grace! Honestly compared to FCOM Oblivion this one was like a cake. Time to play and see how far I can get until a corrupted save data xDDD
OH putting follower on late patches fixed the gray face bug. Thank you so much, great explanations and a deserved like!! :D
Yeah, the Load Order stuff is the main reason it's taken me so long to even think of modding my one Bethesda game (Fallout 4). Nice to find a video that shows off more how it should look in Vortex and how to manipulate stuff.
Any chance of you enlightening us with a Vortex vs NMM vs Mod Organizer comparison video, Gopher?
I'm sure you've found it already, but for others, the comparison vid was made over a year ago and is found here: czcams.com/video/aS9K0l8jzUU/video.html
If Gopher was my Professor, I am sure that I won't fail any classes taught by him~ What If~ Crystal cleared explaination and firmed tone.
Thank Gopher! this makes like ten times more sense to me now.
Really helped me with the load order needed for Fallout: New Vegas randomizer as it needs to be on the bottom.
Thanks for the video. I was very annoyed when the priority system was removed and tried to do all my meddling using the dependencies. But after your explanation of the Loot Groups I see the light...
Amazingly USEFUL stuff in this series ! Thanks man !
Gopher - great instructional video as always. Well done!
Great content. Thought I was getting quite good at this but you made it much clearer. Thankyou. I like Vortex for the most part. I think it is pretty good but there is too much reliance on a rules based approach and when that is wrong, it can be extremely annoying. A simple up and down arrow such as existed in NMM to overide the order would be nice. Manually addressing issues that autosort doesnt cope with seems more complicated than it needs to be. Also love that it gives loot alerts about patches I missed. I do worry that it will put new modders off but for a little effort it does a lot for you. I definately think that Vortex is a big step forward, it just doesnt come easily but it does reward the effort.
Definetly going to need that next video, I have a lot of mods with conflicts and it would be good to see how I'm actually supposed to fix those xP
Great tutorial !
Even if I am not a native english speaker ( I‘m German , 51 years old ) I did understand it very well.
So thank you very much !!!
Excellent tutorials as always, Gopher.
I'm going to give Vortex a year or two to get better updated before I try it; by then maybe TES6 will be out and I'll use Vortex for it. I like the multi-tabs and having more functions to manage and keep a mods organized. However I have too many mods I deem essential that unfortunately are no longer on the Nexus, so without a truly trustworthy and perfect data transfer from NMM to Vortex, I'd end up playing without mods I want.
NMM is (probably will always be) the better option for my Skyrim experience. It was easy to learn, navigate, manage and organize, and practically every Skyrim mod works with it, so for the game Skyrim I'm going to be using NMM until the day I finally delete it. Going forward for any new games I don't have mods on, I'll most likely use Vortex, otherwise I don't need it at this time.
Just a nitpick with design choice, but why the hell did Vortex's team choose the messy tree format for Manage Groups? If the tree can grow by adding new groups and updates, it's going to be a royal pain in the ass to sort out. This is something I definitely hope gets changed in a later patch.
Your mascot animations are best I love him so much
Awesome video my dude. Great instructions, great speaker.
After all these years still the goat
Im one of the new people that just started modding skyrim and know nothing but vortex. It seems to work fine and im having a great time. It doesnt bug you unless 2 mods try to mess with the same part of the game and then it just asks you which one you want to load first. Ez-pz. Only problem is most information out there is for old mod managers. Thanks!
play the video at 1.5 speed = perfect! good job I learnt a lot
I know you'll probably never see this comment but if you do, Thank you soooooo much! I've wanted to mod Skyrim for years but never had a good computer for it I just recently got one for my birthday and was really bummed when I realized how complicated and hard installing mods were.
(at least for me, it might of been a breeze for others)
This series of videos has really made my 2019 happy so far, I finally get to bask in the glory that is Skyrim.
Thank you
Newly switched from NMM to Vortex and can see that Vortex is clearly superior IMHO. Thank you for all of the clear and concise instructional videos in your arsenal. Are you going to make or did you already make #5? They've been so helpful thus far.
Where is VORTEX - Beginner's Guide #5 About dependances that you mentioned at the end or did I miss something?
Thank you so much! :) Got a mod working thanks to this video.
Thank you so much!!!! This helped me a lot!
You would be the worlds best teacher
Part 5 please?
omg people give this man more subs and likes, cause he deserves this so much
omg thank you so freaking much!, it was so stressful at first on why wasn't my mods working!
I love that they merged loot with Vortex. 😊👍
a great mod guide that is updated, nice
IT'S BEEN A YEAR and we still can't drag and drop to tell it it's wrong.
as always you do a very good job of explaining !
Yippie! Ive been waiting for this.
Vortex is cool looking mod manager that has many features except of one thing. And this thing is an easy way of managing mods.
I will be waiting for the day part 5 comes out 😋
Lifesaver man, your video helped alot 👌💯
I feel like one of the 5 people on the internet who enjoys using Vortex. Nothing against people who would prefer using something else, and maybe it's because I only used NMM previously and even then not THAT much, so maybe it's more about just starting my journey with Vortex over anything else.
Thank you! This finally helped explain how to fix my game
This is the equivalent to when the instructor teaches you addition and then hands out an assignment with calculus on it.
great videos i used the old nexus mod manager way back and had to do load order myself but this vortex is real nice
I just downloaded a mod and the developer said, _"If you can't find it, put it lower down in your mod order."_
Well. I couldn't find it and I thought. _"Oh! Poo! Not gonna get this mod working as I haven't a clue how to change mod order."_ 8-((...
However. And your guide was great for me to start modding skyrim as I was clueless into setting it up from vanilla.
So after reading/watching this video, lowering the order of my MOD was a cinch. And believe it or not. It worked!
Went back into game and there is was. Everything perfectly working as it should do. 8-))...
So thank you for taking the time out to post this idiot guide ;-))...
Thanks friend was super helpful!
I was going to use Vortex for my new F4, but NMM is just simpler. Load order is just a matter moving plugins up and down, then you check them with FO4Edit.
MO is good too. But if your not going to swap script heavy mods in and out NMM works just fine. And the interface is so simple.
You are a legend thank you this fixed so many issuse
Legend
Thank you so much this is so helpful!
I love this Master.
Okay wait. Remember in NMM how you could drag and drop load order? Where is that? I might need that. Is it just gone?
I'm all for a program doing work for me but I need an easy way to tell it that it's wrong.
I am early today! Well done sir.
Thanks Gopher. I am having problems with NMM not being recognised and am seriously considering installing Vortex.
Now if we only could get official stable vortex release...
Would be nice, hehe I just recently lost my archives, but of course it was actually my fault. Like a donkey, I left the download path in the user path, so when the change happened, well all my archives went bye bye. Not a big deal to redownload the files, just a time sync. Full on release would be nice though.
The new feature (yes MO2 gents, I know you can do this already) to sort conflicts on a per file basis is very nice new addition. If Vortex continues to add to features I'm on board, but yeah, an official release would be nice to have.
Yeah, that's the scary part about brand new mod managers. Gotta give it a few months or a year to patch up.
9:45 Gosh, it's been a while since I've seen the old BOSS logo.
Excellent tutorials....are you going to expand and continue these please?
thank you so much gopher!!
Do you think you could do a dyndolod tutorial? Your tutorials are always very concise. Thanks
thanks your good to explains
Another very clear and concise tutorial from Gopher, you've still got it. Still not seeing any reason to switch from MO2. Can Vortex work with XEdit, Wrye Bash or other patching tools? Thanks!
Vortex isn't gonna do more than mo2 it's designed to be user friendly. A lot of people especially younger people will try modding take one look at nmm or mo2 and give up. This is more to create a plug and play feel with a modern aesthetic but automating as much as possible
Honestly until Vortex gets custom plugins (which will be a long time) I see no reason for MO users to change. This may one day replace NMM but it really is not aimed at replacing MO as far as I can see.
@Gopher Well done, thanks. I'm a professor. The clarity and completeness of your logos-based videos piqued my interest in the channel and in modding--it's fun to learn from you. Your MO series instructed me on how to set up a mod list for original Skyrim (December 2014). Your series on the improved NMM advised me how to set up a preSKSE Skyrim SE (November 2016) mod list. I appreciate the utility of Vortex for new modders. But your comment above may lead me to switch my SE list to MO after upgrading to a 1080Ti, perhaps over the Christmas break. . . .
yes this helped. had mods give me no texture, editing load order a bit manually made the problem go away.
Very helpful, thanks!
So good information.
excellent video, cheers
NMM was so much better than Vortex, mostly because if I needed to change my load order all I had to do was click and drag the plug in to where it should be. I'm now on my 5th try modding FONV with Vortex and I'm pretty much done with it. There was no need to change from the simple, minimalist, NMM to this mess. Awful UI, lack of manual control, and issues with it not even installing mod correctly are just the start of grips with Vortex. Let's not also forget about that god damn notification bell that won't shut up.
Just looking at its ugly as sin UI is infuriating now. I fucking hate it. I'd be far less annoyed by this if you could still use NMM, but they've completely killed it.