Meze: *confidently sends their 3000$ flagship to Oluv for review* Oluv: this 10$ headphone with EQ will run out this famous headphone company out of business..
It's pretty incredible how much better it is with the EQ and really how decent it is relative to the other much more expensive headphones. Nice job, Oluv.
I like your comment around 2:57 where you say that once you EQ the FR to your liking every thing else (soundstage etc) seemed to fall in line. That is my experience, too. It's interesting how closed back headphones "open up" when they're EQ'd just right. Danke, Oluv.
I have read that deep 9kHz dip makes a wider sound stage. Is this correct? Doesn’t the distortion increase to an audible level if you make huge equalizations?
@@oluvsgadgets kannst Du einen geschlossenen Kopfhörer bis 600 Euro empfehlen für Jazz und Klassik mit einem linearen Profil? (Ohne, dass ich mit einem EQ drangehen muss? (Externer DAC/Kopfhörerverstärker).
The HD600s still sound noticeably better, but it's incredible how much the EQ improves those sonys. Definitely something that should be considered a lot more.
Sehr gut Oluv, du hast mal wieder allen gezeigt wo der Hammer hängt. Equalizing ist das wichtigste. Dafür braucht man ein gutes Gehör, Zeit und Gedult. Sowie es aussieht haben die ganzen großen Audio-Firmen nichts davon. Das ist typisch in unserer schnelllebigen Zeit.
I always adjust my end devices - speakers or headphones - with individual EQs. It seems to be necessary these days and sometimes yields astonishing results. I use an external creative G5 soundcard which stores up to three profiles to use with all kinds of computers and gaming consoles. Sounds much better than what is built into hardware from the factory.
@9:11 when he puts down the headphones I thought I had dropped something off my desk, so weird. I had to replay it multiple times and every time it sounded as if it was happening on my table. so weird, must be insanely good quality mic.
You have the BEST music selection among the youtube headphones testers! Great disco-funk-soul music! You should put the needle on "it" (the turntable) as the first song suggests and make videos about vinyl! :-)
I was very inpressed by your 'experiment'. And I bought the Sony. EQ works well but after sometime I saw that I still hate EQ. So I decided to mod these and it works for me: 1/ very easy to dissemble - remove pads and only 2 screws; 2/ no padding or dumping materials inside - bare plastic caps which I dunpped with foam and industrial cotton; what is critical is to have all inner plastic covered - the back and the walls; for the back I used Koss Porta pro pads and the layer of cotton on top; 3/plastic face above the driver is covered with thick black damping material which is killing the treble - removed it fully and changed it with thin breathing cloth; 4/ there is a big vent on the upper part of the driver cover which I left open - it is only the bteatheable foam inside; it might be used for additiinal tunning covering it with electric scotch. So now I think the playback is far better - lows are not boomy and muddy but thick and fast, mids and vocals are far more clear and not recesed, highs are well present but controlled. Even there is soundstage and good imaging. I am so satisfied that I plan to buy another set of 110s and experiment.
Oluv, I suggest you use an eq like fab filter pro or equilibrium to tune your headphone. You will be able to improve further on the precision on where you cut,boost etc
SUB! A great video! I would agree with most of what you have said but.. For me the fruequency responce is responsible mainly for the character of the tuning- the timbre, naturalness, neutrality etc. Sure you can make a very cheap headphone to sound good, and this is what you just achieved. But in a higher end headphones there are more factors which play the role. Like the quality of the drivers, the position of the drivers, the size of the drivers, the size and shape of the cans, materials, pads etc. And these factors play a very important role in creating a soundstage (especially the width of the stage) which is a very important factor. The depth can be achieved through the EQ more or less. Anyways great video!
100% agree with this vid, its just hard to eq on some devices sometimes, might aswell buy a headphone with the right response as stock. if someone could make a module you can build into the sonys that would solve the problem though
Basically with the Qudelix it should be possible, it has a 10 band fully parametric EQ, and it has 10 savable presets, so you could equalize 10 headphones... I asked them if they could send me a review unit but didn’t get any response.
This eq is seems to be needed for my modded nest mini speaker with a bose 141 speaker. There is a litterly a deep sea plunge dsp on the nest mini does for the little driver its designed for.
You are an incredible ZX110 caregiver! I bought these a week ago, they sound SUPERB, but I cannot believe they've not snapped apart already. I grip them gingerly with kid gloves and wouldn't think of folding them up again.
Was a skeptic at the beginning for your video but then yr Full Eq really did make a difference. It sounded so much better than when you switched to no eq I cringed physically
Dude, every one of your shows is great! It's the best and most objective thing I've seen about sound! Here you can hear the differences in the sound, without hearing only words about how the sound of a headset or speaker looked to any sound judge and I am sure you know a lot about the sound, from pages you have suggested here on your channel in some of your comments from previous shows, which analyze frequencies, technical details, tonality and distortion of a headset, but at the same time you present all these here in your shows in a pleasant and relaxing way. In closing, i understand that with so much time you spend, patrons are needed and thank you for the free and excellent videos that you made with so much effort and time!
Great audio review, i use iphone earbuds to listen to music of my phone, but i want to buy a Sony EX cassette Walkman, Would Zx110 be ok for a nice quality sound?
Wow. As you said, this is what we can call a transformation. The difference between EQ and no EQ is striking. Especially since I'm not a "bass head" at all. So I prefer clarity and more detail. Good job. I'd like to be able to EQ like this, but I doubt I'd have the patience to do it. Btw I received my EarFun Free Pro Oluv's Edition, and I really like them. Bass is not overwhelming but is definitely there, and clarity is very good.
Technical jargons aside, i feel like Fit, comfort and driver size also plays a significant role in the sound. That's why i like planar, sound signature aside they usually have larger driver surface area and thus sounds 'bigger'
LOL I have these headphones, thats why i clicked on the video! I think they sound good for 10$ but even the earbuds that came with my phone sound a bit better. Good to know i can get something more decent out of them with EQ.
Aside from frequency response, there are the spectral transient delays that occur either through physical aspects of the driver or chamber resonances. In some designs, like the HD800, these minute spectral delays can actually shift the perception of soundstage. Ideally, I think it is better to have a headphone that is relatively free of those spectral artifacts like Focal Utopia, and just add them later via software spatial DSP as you will get a far more realistic "soundstage" than you can ever get just listening to headphones without any crossfeed or spatial DSP. In cheaper headphones like the ZX110, these spectral delays essentially can cause resonances, along with second and third order harmonics. These are not impacted by frequency response as much. You can think of them as a formant signature, similar to a human voice we all have a unique formant imprint and no matter how we pitch our voices we still take on this imprint. I rationalize my ownership of the Focal Utopia as a statement piece. One of the few open back headphones that can hit close to a reference target curve with the most minimal distortion and transient artifacts. It is a piece of engineering art, but as far as enjoyment goes, you can get far cheaper headphones and just kick back and listen. I can say my jaw hit the floor the first time I listened to them, and they still wow me, but not as much. For most people they are not worth it. Even for myself I question why I sunk so much money into a headphone. I think many of us are just passionate about sound and music. However, those passions can lead you to 'chase the dragon', obsessing about little details that you think you hear something but perhaps, it is just your perception. IMO this is why people spend $$$ on DACs, cables, and headphones. Looks like I feel into the trap myself. My current pick for a cheap lifelike headphone is the Blon BL-05S. A bit of tricky fit for some, but it has incredible timbre. Cost less than $50 especially when it is on sale. Add some spatial DSP like Waves NX or DTS-X and this little IEM can sound like a speaker system. There are many other IEMs, each with their own unique signature. My recommendation for others i this hobby is just let your mind acclimate to whatever frequency curve they have and just enjoy your music. Also, add a tactile transducer to truly reproduce those tricky sub bass and bass tones that headphones simply can't reproduce (your ear only hears down to 20Hz so you need to feel sub bass, and you don't want a headphone so boosted that you hear sub bass against your head, a tactile transducer will give you a tactile feeling on your body mimicking and even exceeding what floor standing woofers can do. i use a SubPac 1st generation).
An old comment right there but i wanted to say i couldn't agree more with you. I used many headphones and iems including some flagships like HD800S or Arya and some other praised ones from Beyerdynamics, Akgs, Hifimans and some iems from Chi-Fi brands. I still come back to my lovely Blon BL03... With my manually made graphiceq on equalizer apo in windows, Blons sounds like what i want to perceive. The eq i made has more than 30 bands / 30 different adjustments in different frequencies (almost all of them in treble area) that i made while listening to sine sweeps and playing with some tone generators, it just sounds like what a proper speaker system in the room would sound like. It's also the iem out of the box without any EQ or modding that sounds closest to my HRTF and ear canal resonances and sounds very true, neutral if you don't mind the huge and warm bass boost. It has the best timbre i ever heard, and for me it's easily on par with HD600 in that regard. I would strongly recommend you the Hzsound Heart Mirror iems too if you like Blons. It has the same driver Blon 03, 05S and some other Blons uses but tuned differently in a different shell that sounds actually more neutral than a HD600 without any EQ to my ears. Even the HD600 needs some slight adjustments to my ears, again in especially treble area to be perfectly neutral. But Heart Mirrors are simply perfect as long as you're ok with it's slightly low subbass. It handles EQ very well so it's fixable though. It has the most detailed and airy sounding treble area compared to Blons. Soundstage, imaging and vocal presentation are it's strong points too. It's also has faster midbass so it doesn't bleed as much as on the Blon 03s. Timbre is lovely just like the Blons thanks to it's dynamic driver. So yea, after trying many headphone and iem, these are my experiences. Cheers!
@@Kenan_Guney great to hear ! I've sold the Utopia many months ago and haven't missed them! My rationalization for owning just didn't hold up. After getting so much enjoyment out of cheaper IEMs and sets, it just made sense to sell them and use the funds for other things. My setup is now a HD660S, Fiio FH5S, Moondrop SSR, and BL-05S. SubPac of course. The SSR was the cheapest, but as it turns out is among my favorite tuning of any iem or headphone. They graph somewhat similarly to the granddaddy of iems - the Etymotic ER4B (the version created for listening to binaural recordings). I recently picked up the Sennheiser HD660S. While Utopia for me is still a benchmark of dynamic driver quality, I have to hand it to Sennheiser, for getting the presentation so right. The 650/600 are still benchmarks in tuning. The 660S is less 'analog' than its predecessors and leans more towards a Utopia-like presentation. I may look into getting a set of Heart Mirrors. I always wanted to hear them. Another set I was interested in was the NF Audio Nm2+ which PrimeAudio Reviews compared them against the Heart Mirror. And who knows maybe even get a BL-03!
@@malfunkt Thanks for the inputs. I used 660S but found the HD600 is just superior. It lacks the treble energy and extension 600 have and sounds very dark but it may suit to some genres like hip hop or r&b that i don't often listen. it's still a very good dynamic headphone with good timbre though and offers the durability and comfort of the 600 series. SSR was also on my radar. I'll probably get a pair just to see what they offers. I didn't really like Moondrop Aria but SSR have very different tuning on graphs. I also used Fiio FH3 but it was the worst iem about driver-flex unfortunately. I think they made the beryllium bass drivers with very thin diaphragm to make them fast but turns out to flex too much even in the ear. You may check Dan's Audio Reviews channel for the NF Audio iem's sound demos and for some other ones to compare. He shared one from NF Audio as far as i remember, his sound demos are one of the best on youtube.
@Oluv Gadgets. Are they going to do another batch of the earfun pros and will they be sold in the state, I tried to buy from the site, and wouldn't let me when the last batch went on sale. I got the original one from amazon when they went on sale.
I agree. There is a clarity as well, which I wouldn't normally say about the hd600, that the hd600 has that the 10$ can doesn't have. I can tell that its EQ in comparison.
Now really excited to obtain my earbuds more than ever regarding the tuning. 30 band sounded that much better vs simpfied method.😁 And yes, you have better ears than Amir but I still like his channel as well. What's great us you can hear your results, he talks about his. Atleast for now!🤔🤔🤔🤫
so what EQ can be used for mac? I have fabfilter Q3 and other good ones but those are not standalone, they have to be used in DAW. Is there any system EQ that can serve us with adjusting the frequency response? Thank you for the video BTW
Ha! Richtig getippt im letzten Video! Konnte mich anfangs nicht entscheiden ob A oder B, fand dann A aber doch passender. Meine allerersten Onears waren solche 10€-Sonys und ich war damals voll begeistert davon. Heute würde ich die nicht mehr freiwillig aufziehen. Am PC habe ich Beyerdynamics DT770 Pro, in der Arbeit Sony WI-C310, die für den Preis gut sind. Privat unterwegs nutze ich Technics EAH-F50B (Bluetooth Overear), die ich nach sehr langer Suche mit meinem audiophilen Anspruch gefunden habe. Letztere würde ich bei Interesse übrigens für ein Testvideo zuschicken können. Würde mich sehr interessieren, was Du dazu zu sagen hast.
Get the Wavelet for Android. Once you plug them in AutoEQ will appear and you can select correction from hps list - a lot of headphones. Solderdude at diyAudioheaven also did measurements and mods for HD58X. I did the felt with 4mm hole - not the same headphone. Awesome site to learn.
What EQ are you guys talking about ? Is there like an EQ built into mac that you can adjust the different frequencys on to make the output to the headphones better ? Is there anything like this built into Windows aswell ? I need something cheap to plug into my external soundcard to play some guitar into a windows computer this weekend only. And these headphones are like 12$ down at my local shop, will they be horrible ?
Were you using the same EQ that you posted in Audio Science?, because I've tested your settings (the one that you add in the forum) with APO and it sounds very thin and the bass was null but it sounds completely different in this video.
You can try audio Technica M20x For $50 that sounds thin as you said similar to your sony with EQ But I didn't like M20x sound there was no low end at all And some people call treble boosted thin sound "higher sound quality" "detailed sound" "audiophile sound" etc etc What's this? My Sennheiser CX 180 has right amount of low end higher mid range and great treble which costed $5 it beats The Samsung earbuds back then you tested on your channel which out performed all chinese overhyped IEMs I really want you to try Sennheiser CX 180 street II once It was most popular earphone in india for its sound
Oluv I’m struggling: which one is better soundwise (i like a lot of different music styles, but not hardcore) the EU Wonderboom 2 or Tribit Stormbox? Which one would you prefer and why? Would you please help me out.
This would be the Stormbox if you really want an 360 speaker. But UE doesn't really have anything in bass below 90hz and is pure upper bass. The Tribit Stormbox isn't that deep, but much deeper than the UE, has about 4 times the Wattage. Maybe the same Volume, but a way better sound quality.
This was my experience so far too... :) But with other headphones: For example I search for fair priced headphones with good THD and extended FR, because in my mind this is the fundament of a good EQ. I love Audio Technica MSR7 with Sonaworks applied. These headphones have good extension, good "detail", they are very well dampened, not like that m50 crap. They respond amazingly on EQ... I love them more than my HD800, and I use them more than HD6xx because they are closed.
@@oluvsgadgets I'm afraid I still wouldn't know where to start. I think you may be considering something that comes very intuitively to you as something other people will just get easily as well. Basically I'm saying you have a gift for this and if you could explain your process I honestly think it would be a great video. For example: How do we keep in mind that changing one thing effects the perception of another? How do we know where to start? How can we know what frequency q problem we want to fix is at?
@@johnepps5830 play pink noise and start seeking for peaks. Create a notch filter and sweep it through the upper frequencies until you find a peak and then make the fine adjustment. The rough adjustments can be achieved by looking at some measurements.
@@oluvsgadgets I will definitely try this assuming I can find a good way to get a measuring rig. I knew there was a story/process here. I'm telling you people would love to see you do this. It suits what seems to be you audience very well. ❤️
I agree that the importance of frequency response still somehow is not really appreciated, but 95-99%? If that were true, we wouldn't be having such discrepancies between recommendations of which headphones sound good. And you know the recommendations are all over the place, even in people who do this for a living. Even your own preferences are not that rigid with regards to frequency response and headphones or speakers. Although you definitely have strong preferences. How do you know that you are not simply chasing your own narrow preferences?
@@oluvsgadgets That's a fair point. I was thinking in terms of sound profile/ frequency response, but peaks are somewhat distinct but related issue. Other people don't seem to notice these issues, even people that are really into the audiofool community. Yet they notice the sounds of their wires and cords.
I personally prefer HD 650 since to my ear it has more natural upper mids while HD 600 has some peaks above what I consider ideal. Differences are quite small and I guess it comes down to sample variances, ear shape and pad condition.
@@oluvsgadgets I've noticed that pads can make rather large difference too. There's quite a few variables that can change the sound to one way or another. I personally didn't notice much difference between my HD 6XX and HD 600 (or more like 2x HD 600 spare capsules in HD 58X Jubilee shell). I did notice the somewhat boosted peak in upper mids that made it sound less than optimal. I wear glasses so that might affect things a bit too. By the way, I think the new batches of pads are different than some old ones. They are roomier and might affect the sound in some way. In any way though, they are quite close and since I doubt that everyone hears headphones 100% the same, I can see why some prefer HD 600 and some prefer HD 650. Both are miles better than HD 660 S when it comes to frequency response though - I personally don't understand the tuning changes they made at all. At least on my unit the upper mids sound dark while 6K area is a bit too prominent while bass is lacking compared to HD 650 and HD 600.
@@oluvsgadgets This is how I know your hearing is good :) HD600 not perfect for sure - lacks true clarity in the treble and some bass weight (bass can be eq'd in) - but overall I find fewer fundamental flaws with it than any other headphone of its type. I did find Brainwavz pads made a big difference to HD58x taking the driver further away from my ear which increased clarity/removed mud quite dramatically. But that's a personal ear shape issue different for everyone. For example I found Dekoni pads actually made things worse. The Brainwavz ones have a significantly larger interior diameter and I found them to be excellent.
Hey oluv ich wollte auch nochmal über das Thema mit Speed, Soundstage etc reden. Ich habe ja selber schon enige Kopfhörer probiert und Equalize diese auch alle zu einem Level wo sich alle ähnlich neutral anhören. Jedoch denke ich nicht, dass 95% des Soundes von dem Frequenzgrafen abhängig sind. Der Frequenzgraf meiner Ansicht nach, gibt nur allen Kopfhörer einen schönen, realistischen Sound, aber Soundstage, Imaging und Detail machen definitiv einen Unterschied! Ich habe viele Kopfhörer gehabt und nur 2 von diesen konnte ich genießen beim hören, da diese eine art Halleffekt hatten wodurch sich akustische Gitarren einfach viel natürlicher anhören als bei den anderen Kopfhörern, und dann gibt es Kopfhörer wie den DT880 der im Vergleich zu allen anderen Kopfhörern einen viel kraftvolleren schnelleren Bass hat, als andere KH. Egal wie man den Bassbereich equalized, das Gefühl des Basses, also der speed und der Druck ändern sich nicht. Auch hatte ich hier einen K702 und einen K712. Beide hören sich zwar relativ ähnlich an, haben aber ein ganz anderes Gefühl. der K712 hat eine Bühne auch in der Mitte, nicht wie das Loch im k702, dafür fehlt dem k712 aber der Halleffekt, der Gitarren natürlich klingen lässt. Ich denke eher dass 65% der Soundes der Frequenzgraf sind und dann andere Einflüsse auch einen Unterschied machen, wie Ohrpolster, Entfernung der Treiber zum Ohr, Bauweise und eher geringfügig der Treiber an sich. Wenn 95-99% des Soundes von Abstimmung kommen würde, dann wäre ich mit meiner Suche schon längst fertig xD
Das Problem ist dass man mit Tricks versucht Aufbäumen die nicht für Kopfhörer aufgenommen wurden halbwegs erträglich zu machen. Das präziseste das ich gehört habe bezüglich Realitätsgrad Darstellung usw waren die Etymptic. Alle klagen über zu wenig Bühne usw aber die geben exakt das wieder was aufgenommen wurde ohne „Hallefreffekte“ oder anderen Schnickschnack, wenn ich meine eigenen Aufnahmen damit höre bekomme ich wirklich das Gefühl ich bin da; alle andere die so eine angeblich tolle Bühne haben klingen falsch, auch der HD800 das passt einfach nicht, ist nett als Effekt aber es klingt nicht „korrekt“ und der DT880 ging gar nicht, das hat nur gezischelt. Ohne EQ pack ich den nicht.
@@oluvsgadgets "Alle klagen über zu wenig Bühne usw aber die geben exakt das wieder was aufgenommen wurde ohne „Hallefreffekte“ oder anderen Schnickschnack" Klar verständlich, mit Halleffekt meinte ich, dass es eine art Hall gibt, ähnlich wie das was in einem Raum passiert mit Lautsprechern, und für mich ist zum Beispiel der Aspekt sehr wichtig in Kopfhörern, die Abstimmung von Haus aus interessiert mich eher wenig da man diese ja wirklich mit EQ beinahe perfekt beheben kann. Andere finden da halt andere Aspekte wichtiger, bei dir ist es ja größtenteils die Abstimmung. Alles gut, nur gibt es durch Bauweise und Dämpfhüngsunterschiede definitiv Sachen die durch EQ nicht veränderbar sind. Eine kleine Bühne in geschlossener Bauweise ist halt definitiv die Art und Weise den Sound am korrektesten klingen zu lassen, da es wenig andere Einflüsse gibt, nur gibt es halt auch Leute die diese Einflüsse wichtig finden, wie mich. " alle andere die so eine angeblich tolle Bühne haben klingen falsch, auch der HD800 das passt einfach nicht, ist nett als Effekt aber es klingt nicht „korrekt“ und der DT880 ging gar nicht, das hat nur gezischelt. Ohne EQ pack ich den nicht." Ich habe persönlich miterlebt dass die offene Bauweise bei Kopfhörern etwas den Klang schadet und oft sich "zu weit weg" anhört. Bei einem HD600 bleibt das noch größtenteils aus. Macht man aber die Bühne größer wird das eher zu einem Problem. Ich kann dir zustimmen, dass es sich etwas fake anhört. Beim DT880 gilt das gleiche, dass EQ sehr weiter hilft um ihn erträglich zu machen vom Sound, trotzden ist Detail und Speed im Vergleich zu anderen KH höher, Unterschiede die höchstwahrscheinlich mit Bauweise und dem Treiber zusammenhängen.
Oluv I respect you immensely and I’m a big fan, but imaging, soundstage and other sound components DOESN'T come down to 5% of the sound! At least not to many ppl, including me.
It mostly depends on the kind of music. A track like Analogue Oluv uses very often in his comparisons isn't really that soundstage, imaging, resolution and timbre dependent, imho. Classical music, large orchestral works let me hear differences more clearly. That said, I could still hear a difference in airiness and fluidity between the Sony (with full EQ) and the Sennheiser HD600 in this comparison video. The HD600 sounded more dynamic and confident. Tonally the difference between them was less obvious. This proves me that tonal balance alone doesn't make the final difference.
@@nout1972 Agree, this is what i have noticed, people are different, some perceive FR as everything there is in a sound, others look for soundstage, and the reality is the combination of everything that makes a great sound. i think it is wrong to assume there is only one way to hear things. i have experienced this with speakers, they may sound great from FR point of view , i bought it based on that, when i listened to it it sounded like i was listening to the sound coming out of a pipe in a single narrow direction with no sound stage what so ever. at the end i returned it and bought another speaker with worse FR and better sound stage over all and it is much more comfortable to listen to. in conclusion, sound is subjective.
@@supernova1976 I recently bought a cheap pair of Sivga SV021's. Horrible frequency response. Bright highs and boomy bass. But for enjoying music I like them much better than my Sennheiser HD650s. Mainly because of the much wider soundstage.
I strongly disagree that freq response alone makes for 95% or more of the importance of a headphone... maybe you are only listening for that aspect to that degree.. It is very important but not to that percent. IMHO you are not yet sensitive enough (or the music you are using doesn't offer) to perceive 'details' , speed of a headphone and other aspects and how all of them interact to value the headphones fairly. Another thing is about eq vs particular headphone 'units' ... especially cheaper ones (but also expensive ones) differ quite a lot from one unit to the next so the eq might be totally wrong proportionally more with the high frequencies if done on a unit and applied on a different one.. that's why software like Sonarworks or eq settings done by different people on different units are a 'hit-or-miss' kind of thing.
I bet with you that you won’t hear a difference between 2 headphones equalized to sound the same. And you don’t know what kind of music I usually listen to. I used the music here for demonstration purposes only
@@oluvsgadgets I'd take that bet any day of the week. Also how do you feel about these headphones regarding build quality? My Wh-1000xm3 that I use for my commute has this amazing ability to feel really fragile and durable at the same time
@@techtt6213 the Sonys here are crap, piece of garbage and they make noises with the smallest face movement, but I just wanted to show that they can still be made usable and enjoyable. It was an experiment as Amir taked about transformation of sound and how these would reach audiophile levels, but when I listened to his EQ I thought is he joking? I don't really take this topic serious, was only fooling around a bit.
15:22 hello, what should i do to test your equalization of the sony zx 110 i have them stored in a drawer and your video seemed very interesting to me since the difference is notorious.
I don't remember where I posted my original settings, I had several versions, also reduced ones for only 10 filters, I think this one was my last version, but I noticed that it gives different results to most, as the on-ear design is very prone to variation between different ears: Filter: ON PK Fc 40 Hz Gain 3.5 dB Q 1 Filter: ON PK Fc 90 Hz Gain -10 dB Q 0.3333 Filter: ON PK Fc 370 Hz Gain -2 dB Q 10 Filter: ON PK Fc 500 Hz Gain -2 dB Q 1.5 Filter: ON PK Fc 1000 Hz Gain 2.5 dB Q 2 Filter: ON PK Fc 1275 Hz Gain -2 dB Q 5 Filter: ON PK Fc 1500 Hz Gain 1.5 dB Q 1.5 Filter: ON PK Fc 1600 Hz Gain -6 dB Q 3 Filter: ON PK Fc 2000 Hz Gain 0.7 dB Q 1.5 Filter: ON PK Fc 5000 Hz Gain -4 dB Q 1.5 Filter: ON PK Fc 5250 Hz Gain -4.6 dB Q 4 Filter: ON PK Fc 7550 Hz Gain -12 dB Q 6.2354 Filter: ON PK Fc 8250 Hz Gain -12 dB Q 5 Filter: ON PK Fc 9850 Hz Gain -6.5 dB Q 8 Filter: ON PK Fc 9750 Hz Gain 7.5 dB Q 0.8 Filter: ON PK Fc 13750 Hz Gain -5.3 dB Q 8 Filter: ON PK Fc 11500 Hz Gain -10.7 dB Q 8 Filter: ON PK Fc 6100 Hz Gain -6.8 dB Q 5 Filter: ON PK Fc 250 Hz Gain -1 dB Q 1 Filter: ON PK Fc 140 Hz Gain -1 dB Q 0.8 Filter: ON PK Fc 90 Hz Gain -1 dB Q 1.5165 Filter: ON PK Fc 6750 Hz Gain -8 dB Q 10 Filter: ON PK Fc 9125 Hz Gain -6 dB Q 10 Filter: ON PK Fc 3000 Hz Gain -2.2 dB Q 5 Filter: ON PK Fc 3660 Hz Gain -6 dB Q 5 Filter: ON PK Fc 7200 Hz Gain 3.1 dB Q 1 Filter: ON PK Fc 10300 Hz Gain -5 dB Q 10
Die MDR-ZX110 haben für den Preis mindestens 3 sehr gute Eigenschaften: Der Klang, das sehr reißfeste Kabel, die Klappbarkeit. Ich benutze sie hauptsächlich auf Flugreisen, um Filme zu schauen und Dialoge gut zu verstehen. Einziges Manko (vermutlich nur für mich persönlich): der Bügel drückt etwas zu fest an den Ohren.
Hey Oluv. First of all thank you for all your videos. Could you please help me decide buying a set of heaphones. I will use the headphones for games (not competitive, just single player) and music/movies at home only . Not mixing, not critical. I like a good soundstage but i also like a good bass (not exaggerated just decent and clean). I like a sound that is not tiresome, just pleasant to hear, not to much treble not to much bass, i like balanced sound with great details but nice mid-low punch and to be fun. I will not use an amp/dac for the moment. I have a list from looking on the internet. Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro 80 Ohm, Sennheiser HD 599/ HD 560S, Philips Fidelio X2HR/Philips SHP9500. Which one is better all around? Or if you have other recommendation in this price range please. Or anyone who wants to help.Thanks
nice mid low punch? kph30i clears (removed foam inside) with the grado gs1000 earpads and a removed stock pads. bangers for 40$ man if you already bought ur dt770's u can always consider these as ur portable choice czcams.com/video/uL4tXT67vME/video.html&ab_channel=ZReviews czcams.com/video/07BIqJgyDCY/video.html&ab_channel=DMS
I find this hard to believe. I mean Meze must’ve put a lot of effort and research into making a $3000 headphone. How is it possible that they would get it so wrong? I just don’t understand. Id love to be able to listen to these very expensive headphones in person to hear it for myself.
As Oluv said, 95-99% of the sound is in the frequency response. This was mastered decades ago. Headphone companies are forced to create new products or else they will go out of business. Many "high-end" headphones are made to look fancy but offer little in terms of actual sound-quality.
Guys if you want/need a decent pair of vfm budget headphones which doesn't need necessarily eq or headphone amp why don't you just go for the AKG k361 ? For 70-80 euros you can get very good headphones. I listened to them through my s10 samsung and they sound really really good. I hope that this comment might help you enjoy music. Thanks Oluv for the nice videos.
It never ceases to amaze me how certain reviewers review products such as these .. I sometimes wonder why there are those who expect something for next to nothing that compare to far more expensive gear... 😶
You can buy leather earpads for these headphones. Stock ones look quite uncomfortable. I'm not sure how much leather changes the sound, but it will definitely make these way more likeable
@@Breezy_Summer ZX110 uses 70mm earpads. I can't think of any popular earpad maker who has this size available, however you can find some decent none branded ones on chinese websites. For some reason, my replies keep getting taken down. I hope your able to see this one
This is really interesting as it brings up the most important aspect of sound, it's FR. But also I'm curious at the end of the day it is driver/diaphragm material that vibrates, which has it's own sound. So two very dissimilar membrane, even when equalised to identical FR will sound different. 'speed' I believe is a result of low distortion (better magnet strength helps here with distortion also better control, eg: fostex th900 and focals) , appropriate level at 10khz. Even this can be mimicked a bit. But we cannot discount material and its properties. Also this is one of the allure of lighter membranes from electrostatics
I mean it's important but certainly not deal breaking. You're EQ isn't going to fix poor dynamics, low detail, low quality drivers prone to distortion, soundstage (which controlled largely by the housing)
@@techtt6213 detail is just another aspect of frequency response. There are so many fairytales in the audiophool business that it truly hurts a sane mind
@@oluvsgadgets its not tho, it works up and until a limit. Just like how I can edit my pictures to make dark areas brighter but only for so much. If FR really has that influence no audio company would have to spend much on R&D, they would just get 'ok' drivers, put them in front of a microphone, frequency sweep, correct for it, and sell it.
@@techtt6213 Most of the rich hobbyist/audiophiles are spending so much money on equipment just to reach that peak natural sound that you hear in real life which is related to frequency response, that should be backed up by great resolution, other technicalities like imaging, soundstage is a plus if they get it right. Which no audiogear cant perfectly replicate still. Detail retrieval is just a part of resolution as a whole and speed relies on the driver technology that is used. But i get what youre saying, as I too wouldn't place fr as my first priority, but its the drivers resolution capability.
A was the focal cuz it has less bass go hear its audio samples in previous vedios And B was sony clearly it was equalized was balanced C was definitely meze cuz expensive headphones got Lotta treble in them
Oluv. What's your opinion on running in headphones or amplifiers etc? I noticed a huge difference with a valve amplifier over about 100 hours of run in time. My HD600's also seemed to benefit from some run in time. Thank you. Rich.
@@BwanaJesuasifiwe there are some solutions for Apple too, there is some discussion on my Patreon regarding this topic but I haven’t tried them out yet. I used bootcamp in this video
Meze: *confidently sends their 3000$ flagship to Oluv for review*
Oluv: this 10$ headphone with EQ will run out this famous headphone company out of business..
You need to get your ears checked.
@@crazyjack000 That's what you would tell to the company that sells those 3000$ headphones
@@crazyjack000 Wow a completely indirect and out of pocket insult you made just for attention. You really got him, dude.
@@skurd721 both of you are complete tools.
And now shut up.
It’s like meze will lose much to begin with. They know what they are, and they know that only people with money will even consider their products
There's nothing funner for me than making cheap headphones sound like gold :)
It's pretty incredible how much better it is with the EQ and really how decent it is relative to the other much more expensive headphones. Nice job, Oluv.
Oluv, you are impossible! More than entertaining and informative at the same time. :D
Great to see you back! Great video.Thanks Oluv.👍
I like your comment around 2:57 where you say that once you EQ the FR to your liking every thing else (soundstage etc) seemed to fall in line. That is my experience, too. It's interesting how closed back headphones "open up" when they're EQ'd just right. Danke, Oluv.
I have read that deep 9kHz dip makes a wider sound stage. Is this correct? Doesn’t the distortion increase to an audible level if you make huge equalizations?
Im happy that you still make videos. Gruß aus DE bleib Gesund 😁
ich mach die ganze zeit videos, nur nicht auf youtube
@@oluvsgadgets kannst Du einen geschlossenen Kopfhörer bis 600 Euro empfehlen für Jazz und Klassik mit einem linearen Profil? (Ohne, dass ich mit einem EQ drangehen muss? (Externer DAC/Kopfhörerverstärker).
The HD600s still sound noticeably better, but it's incredible how much the EQ improves those sonys. Definitely something that should be considered a lot more.
Sehr gut Oluv, du hast mal wieder allen gezeigt wo der Hammer hängt. Equalizing ist das wichtigste. Dafür braucht man ein gutes Gehör, Zeit und Gedult. Sowie es aussieht haben die ganzen großen Audio-Firmen nichts davon. Das ist typisch in unserer schnelllebigen Zeit.
I always adjust my end devices - speakers or headphones - with individual EQs. It seems to be necessary these days and sometimes yields astonishing results. I use an external creative G5 soundcard which stores up to three profiles to use with all kinds of computers and gaming consoles. Sounds much better than what is built into hardware from the factory.
Nice the demonstrations.Nice to see you back.🎼👍🏼🎼👍🏼.
I was never away, everything is just focused on Patreon now.
Maybe he has the same model of headphones, but different FR. As it is common with cheap headphones to sound different, depending of luck. :)
@9:11 when he puts down the headphones I thought I had dropped something off my desk, so weird. I had to replay it multiple times and every time it sounded as if it was happening on my table. so weird, must be insanely good quality mic.
different kind of mic also - it's binaural..
Wow-what an amazing transformation!
You have the BEST music selection among the youtube headphones testers! Great disco-funk-soul music! You should put the needle on "it" (the turntable) as the first song suggests and make videos about vinyl! :-)
I was very inpressed by your 'experiment'. And I bought the Sony. EQ works well but after sometime I saw that I still hate EQ. So I decided to mod these and it works for me: 1/ very easy to dissemble - remove pads and only 2 screws; 2/ no padding or dumping materials inside - bare plastic caps which I dunpped with foam and industrial cotton; what is critical is to have all inner plastic covered - the back and the walls; for the back I used Koss Porta pro pads and the layer of cotton on top; 3/plastic face above the driver is covered with thick black damping material which is killing the treble - removed it fully and changed it with thin breathing cloth; 4/ there is a big vent on the upper part of the driver cover which I left open - it is only the bteatheable foam inside; it might be used for additiinal tunning covering it with electric scotch. So now I think the playback is far better - lows are not boomy and muddy but thick and fast, mids and vocals are far more clear and not recesed, highs are well present but controlled. Even there is soundstage and good imaging. I am so satisfied that I plan to buy another set of 110s and experiment.
Oluv, I suggest you use an eq like fab filter pro or equilibrium to tune your headphone. You will be able to improve further on the precision on where you cut,boost etc
Headphone A was definitely better with the equalization on. Its amazing the transformation.
WOW. :-) But not too surprised.
(Have done similar things with other inexpensive headphones).
Nah B was better focal elex most balanced out of the 3 and close sound to the original source
Good reviews with lots of info.
SUB! A great video! I would agree with most of what you have said but.. For me the fruequency responce is responsible mainly for the character of the tuning- the timbre, naturalness, neutrality etc. Sure you can make a very cheap headphone to sound good, and this is what you just achieved. But in a higher end headphones there are more factors which play the role. Like the quality of the drivers, the position of the drivers, the size of the drivers, the size and shape of the cans, materials, pads etc. And these factors play a very important role in creating a soundstage (especially the width of the stage) which is a very important factor. The depth can be achieved through the EQ more or less. Anyways great video!
100% agree with this vid, its just hard to eq on some devices sometimes, might aswell buy a headphone with the right response as stock. if someone could make a module you can build into the sonys that would solve the problem though
Basically with the Qudelix it should be possible, it has a 10 band fully parametric EQ, and it has 10 savable presets, so you could equalize 10 headphones...
I asked them if they could send me a review unit but didn’t get any response.
This eq is seems to be needed for my modded nest mini speaker with a bose 141 speaker. There is a litterly a deep sea plunge dsp on the nest mini does for the little driver its designed for.
The ZX110 was and is still my companion for many years.
You are an incredible ZX110 caregiver! I bought these a week ago, they sound SUPERB, but I cannot believe they've not snapped apart already. I grip them gingerly with kid gloves and wouldn't think of folding them up again.
@@ebeneezerscrooge6983 I am.
Was a skeptic at the beginning for your video but then yr Full Eq really did make a difference. It sounded so much better than when you switched to no eq I cringed physically
Dude, every one of your shows is great! It's the best and most objective thing I've seen about sound! Here you can hear the differences in the sound, without hearing only words about how the sound of a headset or speaker looked to any sound judge and I am sure you know a lot about the sound, from pages you have suggested here on your channel in some of your comments from previous shows, which analyze frequencies, technical details, tonality and distortion of a headset, but at the same time you present all these here in your shows in a pleasant and relaxing way. In closing, i understand that with so much time you spend, patrons are needed and thank you for the free and excellent videos that you made with so much effort and time!
magnet on those Sony phones are probably with 30mm. needs body in sound. very good EQ sofware is from Fabfilter.
Just picked up a pair to run through my adi2pro. Should be entertaining. Will compare with my Focal Clears.
@Oluvsgadgets what type of EQ do you use on your phone?
Sie klingen wie ein Deutscher, ich habe es in letzter Zeit gelernt und es ist fantastisch, Ihnen zuzuhören.
Great audio review, i use iphone earbuds to listen to music of my phone, but i want to buy a Sony EX cassette Walkman, Would Zx110 be ok for a nice quality sound?
ahh finally an affordable headphone, thx oluv
Wow. As you said, this is what we can call a transformation. The difference between EQ and no EQ is striking. Especially since I'm not a "bass head" at all. So I prefer clarity and more detail. Good job.
I'd like to be able to EQ like this, but I doubt I'd have the patience to do it.
Btw I received my EarFun Free Pro Oluv's Edition, and I really like them. Bass is not overwhelming but is definitely there, and clarity is very good.
Technical jargons aside, i feel like Fit, comfort and driver size also plays a significant role in the sound. That's why i like planar, sound signature aside they usually have larger driver surface area and thus sounds 'bigger'
LOL I have these headphones, thats why i clicked on the video! I think they sound good for 10$ but even the earbuds that came with my phone sound a bit better. Good to know i can get something more decent out of them with EQ.
Aside from frequency response, there are the spectral transient delays that occur either through physical aspects of the driver or chamber resonances. In some designs, like the HD800, these minute spectral delays can actually shift the perception of soundstage. Ideally, I think it is better to have a headphone that is relatively free of those spectral artifacts like Focal Utopia, and just add them later via software spatial DSP as you will get a far more realistic "soundstage" than you can ever get just listening to headphones without any crossfeed or spatial DSP.
In cheaper headphones like the ZX110, these spectral delays essentially can cause resonances, along with second and third order harmonics. These are not impacted by frequency response as much. You can think of them as a formant signature, similar to a human voice we all have a unique formant imprint and no matter how we pitch our voices we still take on this imprint.
I rationalize my ownership of the Focal Utopia as a statement piece. One of the few open back headphones that can hit close to a reference target curve with the most minimal distortion and transient artifacts. It is a piece of engineering art, but as far as enjoyment goes, you can get far cheaper headphones and just kick back and listen. I can say my jaw hit the floor the first time I listened to them, and they still wow me, but not as much. For most people they are not worth it. Even for myself I question why I sunk so much money into a headphone. I think many of us are just passionate about sound and music. However, those passions can lead you to 'chase the dragon', obsessing about little details that you think you hear something but perhaps, it is just your perception. IMO this is why people spend $$$ on DACs, cables, and headphones. Looks like I feel into the trap myself.
My current pick for a cheap lifelike headphone is the Blon BL-05S. A bit of tricky fit for some, but it has incredible timbre. Cost less than $50 especially when it is on sale. Add some spatial DSP like Waves NX or DTS-X and this little IEM can sound like a speaker system. There are many other IEMs, each with their own unique signature. My recommendation for others i this hobby is just let your mind acclimate to whatever frequency curve they have and just enjoy your music. Also, add a tactile transducer to truly reproduce those tricky sub bass and bass tones that headphones simply can't reproduce (your ear only hears down to 20Hz so you need to feel sub bass, and you don't want a headphone so boosted that you hear sub bass against your head, a tactile transducer will give you a tactile feeling on your body mimicking and even exceeding what floor standing woofers can do. i use a SubPac 1st generation).
An old comment right there but i wanted to say i couldn't agree more with you. I used many headphones and iems including some flagships like HD800S or Arya and some other praised ones from Beyerdynamics, Akgs, Hifimans and some iems from Chi-Fi brands. I still come back to my lovely Blon BL03... With my manually made graphiceq on equalizer apo in windows, Blons sounds like what i want to perceive. The eq i made has more than 30 bands / 30 different adjustments in different frequencies (almost all of them in treble area) that i made while listening to sine sweeps and playing with some tone generators, it just sounds like what a proper speaker system in the room would sound like. It's also the iem out of the box without any EQ or modding that sounds closest to my HRTF and ear canal resonances and sounds very true, neutral if you don't mind the huge and warm bass boost. It has the best timbre i ever heard, and for me it's easily on par with HD600 in that regard. I would strongly recommend you the Hzsound Heart Mirror iems too if you like Blons. It has the same driver Blon 03, 05S and some other Blons uses but tuned differently in a different shell that sounds actually more neutral than a HD600 without any EQ to my ears. Even the HD600 needs some slight adjustments to my ears, again in especially treble area to be perfectly neutral. But Heart Mirrors are simply perfect as long as you're ok with it's slightly low subbass. It handles EQ very well so it's fixable though. It has the most detailed and airy sounding treble area compared to Blons. Soundstage, imaging and vocal presentation are it's strong points too. It's also has faster midbass so it doesn't bleed as much as on the Blon 03s. Timbre is lovely just like the Blons thanks to it's dynamic driver. So yea, after trying many headphone and iem, these are my experiences. Cheers!
@@Kenan_Guney great to hear !
I've sold the Utopia many months ago and haven't missed them!
My rationalization for owning just didn't hold up. After getting so much enjoyment out of cheaper IEMs and sets, it just made sense to sell them and use the funds for other things.
My setup is now a HD660S, Fiio FH5S, Moondrop SSR, and BL-05S. SubPac of course.
The SSR was the cheapest, but as it turns out is among my favorite tuning of any iem or headphone. They graph somewhat similarly to the granddaddy of iems - the Etymotic ER4B (the version created for listening to binaural recordings).
I recently picked up the Sennheiser HD660S. While Utopia for me is still a benchmark of dynamic driver quality, I have to hand it to Sennheiser, for getting the presentation so right. The 650/600 are still benchmarks in tuning. The 660S is less 'analog' than its predecessors and leans more towards a Utopia-like presentation.
I may look into getting a set of Heart Mirrors. I always wanted to hear them. Another set I was interested in was the NF Audio Nm2+ which PrimeAudio Reviews compared them against the Heart Mirror.
And who knows maybe even get a BL-03!
@@malfunkt Thanks for the inputs. I used 660S but found the HD600 is just superior. It lacks the treble energy and extension 600 have and sounds very dark but it may suit to some genres like hip hop or r&b that i don't often listen. it's still a very good dynamic headphone with good timbre though and offers the durability and comfort of the 600 series. SSR was also on my radar. I'll probably get a pair just to see what they offers. I didn't really like Moondrop Aria but SSR have very different tuning on graphs. I also used Fiio FH3 but it was the worst iem about driver-flex unfortunately. I think they made the beryllium bass drivers with very thin diaphragm to make them fast but turns out to flex too much even in the ear. You may check Dan's Audio Reviews channel for the NF Audio iem's sound demos and for some other ones to compare. He shared one from NF Audio as far as i remember, his sound demos are one of the best on youtube.
Olaf, Im waiting for the second drop of your earfun wireless headphones! Please let us know when they will make the second batch.
the second batch was already shipped. there probably won't be a 3rd one.
@Oluv Gadgets. Are they going to do another batch of the earfun pros and will they be sold in the state, I tried to buy from the site, and wouldn't let me when the last batch went on sale. I got the original one from amazon when they went on sale.
which EQ software you are using to tune ? for pc n mobile
The headphone mafia will come for you! I’ll keep my Koss 30s. They don’t creak. But still. Amazing.
The eqd headphone has some echo in the upper mids/ lower treble vs the well dampened hd600
I agree. There is a clarity as well, which I wouldn't normally say about the hd600, that the hd600 has that the 10$ can doesn't have. I can tell that its EQ in comparison.
Now really excited to obtain my earbuds more than ever regarding the tuning. 30 band sounded that much better vs simpfied method.😁 And yes, you have better ears than Amir but I still like his channel as well. What's great us you can hear your results, he talks about his. Atleast for now!🤔🤔🤔🤫
so what EQ can be used for mac? I have fabfilter Q3 and other good ones but those are not standalone, they have to be used in DAW. Is there any system EQ that can serve us with adjusting the frequency response? Thank you for the video BTW
Ha! Richtig getippt im letzten Video! Konnte mich anfangs nicht entscheiden ob A oder B, fand dann A aber doch passender. Meine allerersten Onears waren solche 10€-Sonys und ich war damals voll begeistert davon. Heute würde ich die nicht mehr freiwillig aufziehen. Am PC habe ich Beyerdynamics DT770 Pro, in der Arbeit Sony WI-C310, die für den Preis gut sind. Privat unterwegs nutze ich Technics EAH-F50B (Bluetooth Overear), die ich nach sehr langer Suche mit meinem audiophilen Anspruch gefunden habe. Letztere würde ich bei Interesse übrigens für ein Testvideo zuschicken können. Würde mich sehr interessieren, was Du dazu zu sagen hast.
instruments sound more real on HD600 , but its impressive what you did with it !!!
What was the track used with the hur dur six hundos? I've definitely heard it before.
Oluv do you have a full eq for hd58x? I’m a fan of your audio taste. I bought the headphone with your recommendation so thank you.
Get the Wavelet for Android. Once you plug them in AutoEQ will appear and you can select correction from hps list - a lot of headphones.
Solderdude at diyAudioheaven also did measurements and mods for HD58X. I did the felt with 4mm hole - not the same headphone. Awesome site to learn.
What EQ are you guys talking about ? Is there like an EQ built into mac that you can adjust the different frequencys on to make the output to the headphones better ? Is there anything like this built into Windows aswell ? I need something cheap to plug into my external soundcard to play some guitar into a windows computer this weekend only. And these headphones are like 12$ down at my local shop, will they be horrible ?
Were you using the same EQ that you posted in Audio Science?, because I've tested your settings (the one that you add in the forum) with APO and it sounds very thin and the bass was null but it sounds completely different in this video.
Nice video.
OMG after Full EQ the song so clear.
Kudos for your EQ, you've made the Sony sounds better than the Elex.
Wow, you got me.. in the last video I kept saying to myself.. "yea headphone A" sounds good lol. Nice job :)
You can try audio Technica M20x For $50 that sounds thin as you said similar to your sony with EQ
But I didn't like M20x sound there was no low end at all
And some people call treble boosted thin sound "higher sound quality" "detailed sound" "audiophile sound" etc etc
What's this?
My Sennheiser CX 180 has right amount of low end higher mid range and great treble which costed $5 it beats The Samsung earbuds back then you tested on your channel which out performed all chinese overhyped IEMs
I really want you to try Sennheiser CX 180 street II once
It was most popular earphone in india for its sound
How do u change eq? Cuz i use EqualizerAPO
Oluv I’m struggling: which one is better soundwise (i like a lot of different music styles, but not hardcore) the EU Wonderboom 2 or Tribit Stormbox? Which one would you prefer and why? Would you please help me out.
This would be the Stormbox if you really want an 360 speaker. But UE doesn't really have anything in bass below 90hz and is pure upper bass.
The Tribit Stormbox isn't that deep, but much deeper than the UE, has about 4 times the Wattage. Maybe the same Volume, but a way better sound quality.
This was my experience so far too... :)
But with other headphones: For example I search for fair priced headphones with good THD and extended FR, because in my mind this is the fundament of a good EQ.
I love Audio Technica MSR7 with Sonaworks applied. These headphones have good extension, good "detail", they are very well dampened, not like that m50 crap. They respond amazingly on EQ...
I love them more than my HD800, and I use them more than HD6xx because they are closed.
the HD800 is crap, despite having the fastest decay and best waterfall. but sound is just horrible.
@@oluvsgadgets Even with EQ? I think they have some ringing because of those big plastic cups... That's why I liked more the moded ones + eq. :)
Msr7 is an incredibile can for the Price
Is the MSR7b also good?
On his pareron include all eq for headphone
Could you compare zx110 with zx310? I wonder which one sounds better since the pricier akg k371 is worse than akg k361
Oluv is very good at eq! Has he made a guide on how to EQ? That would be great.
Just listen with a reference in mind
@@oluvsgadgets I'm afraid I still wouldn't know where to start.
I think you may be considering something that comes very intuitively to you as something other people will just get easily as well.
Basically I'm saying you have a gift for this and if you could explain your process I honestly think it would be a great video.
For example: How do we keep in mind that changing one thing effects the perception of another?
How do we know where to start?
How can we know what frequency q problem we want to fix is at?
@@johnepps5830 play pink noise and start seeking for peaks. Create a notch filter and sweep it through the upper frequencies until you find a peak and then make the fine adjustment.
The rough adjustments can be achieved by looking at some measurements.
@@oluvsgadgets I will definitely try this assuming I can find a good way to get a measuring rig.
I knew there was a story/process here.
I'm telling you people would love to see you do this. It suits what seems to be you audience very well. ❤️
A decent (mid-price) headphone with good build quality plus a 10 band EQ. Message received.
I agree that the importance of frequency response still somehow is not really appreciated, but 95-99%? If that were true, we wouldn't be having such discrepancies between recommendations of which headphones sound good. And you know the recommendations are all over the place, even in people who do this for a living.
Even your own preferences are not that rigid with regards to frequency response and headphones or speakers. Although you definitely have strong preferences. How do you know that you are not simply chasing your own narrow preferences?
My preferences are a peak free sound, which 99% of headphones do not offer
@@oluvsgadgets That's a fair point. I was thinking in terms of sound profile/ frequency response, but peaks are somewhat distinct but related issue. Other people don't seem to notice these issues, even people that are really into the audiofool community. Yet they notice the sounds of their wires and cords.
@@ccbowers I don't care that much about slightly more or less bass, or some mid boost, but peaks make many highend headphones unusable to me.
prefer your EQ on 31 bands to the Sonarworks .. little to much bite on Sonarworks ..
Good ol' HD600 gets so much right.
It’s still the best
I personally prefer HD 650 since to my ear it has more natural upper mids while HD 600 has some peaks above what I consider ideal. Differences are quite small and I guess it comes down to sample variances, ear shape and pad condition.
@@Tup3x I found the HD650 to be a bit muddy and boomy at the same time. I can rather live with slightly less bass extension than some upper bass Boost
@@oluvsgadgets I've noticed that pads can make rather large difference too. There's quite a few variables that can change the sound to one way or another. I personally didn't notice much difference between my HD 6XX and HD 600 (or more like 2x HD 600 spare capsules in HD 58X Jubilee shell). I did notice the somewhat boosted peak in upper mids that made it sound less than optimal. I wear glasses so that might affect things a bit too. By the way, I think the new batches of pads are different than some old ones. They are roomier and might affect the sound in some way. In any way though, they are quite close and since I doubt that everyone hears headphones 100% the same, I can see why some prefer HD 600 and some prefer HD 650. Both are miles better than HD 660 S when it comes to frequency response though - I personally don't understand the tuning changes they made at all. At least on my unit the upper mids sound dark while 6K area is a bit too prominent while bass is lacking compared to HD 650 and HD 600.
@@oluvsgadgets This is how I know your hearing is good :) HD600 not perfect for sure - lacks true clarity in the treble and some bass weight (bass can be eq'd in) - but overall I find fewer fundamental flaws with it than any other headphone of its type. I did find Brainwavz pads made a big difference to HD58x taking the driver further away from my ear which increased clarity/removed mud quite dramatically. But that's a personal ear shape issue different for everyone. For example I found Dekoni pads actually made things worse. The Brainwavz ones have a significantly larger interior diameter and I found them to be excellent.
Hey oluv ich wollte auch nochmal über das Thema mit Speed, Soundstage etc reden. Ich habe ja selber schon enige Kopfhörer probiert und Equalize diese auch alle zu einem Level wo sich alle ähnlich neutral anhören. Jedoch denke ich nicht, dass 95% des Soundes von dem Frequenzgrafen abhängig sind. Der Frequenzgraf meiner Ansicht nach, gibt nur allen Kopfhörer einen schönen, realistischen Sound, aber Soundstage, Imaging und Detail machen definitiv einen Unterschied! Ich habe viele Kopfhörer gehabt und nur 2 von diesen konnte ich genießen beim hören, da diese eine art Halleffekt hatten wodurch sich akustische Gitarren einfach viel natürlicher anhören als bei den anderen Kopfhörern, und dann gibt es Kopfhörer wie den DT880 der im Vergleich zu allen anderen Kopfhörern einen viel kraftvolleren schnelleren Bass hat, als andere KH. Egal wie man den Bassbereich equalized, das Gefühl des Basses, also der speed und der Druck ändern sich nicht. Auch hatte ich hier einen K702 und einen K712. Beide hören sich zwar relativ ähnlich an, haben aber ein ganz anderes Gefühl. der K712 hat eine Bühne auch in der Mitte, nicht wie das Loch im k702, dafür fehlt dem k712 aber der Halleffekt, der Gitarren natürlich klingen lässt. Ich denke eher dass 65% der Soundes der Frequenzgraf sind und dann andere Einflüsse auch einen Unterschied machen, wie Ohrpolster, Entfernung der Treiber zum Ohr, Bauweise und eher geringfügig der Treiber an sich. Wenn 95-99% des Soundes von Abstimmung kommen würde, dann wäre ich mit meiner Suche schon längst fertig xD
Das Problem ist dass man mit Tricks versucht Aufbäumen die nicht für Kopfhörer aufgenommen wurden halbwegs erträglich zu machen. Das präziseste das ich gehört habe bezüglich Realitätsgrad Darstellung usw waren die Etymptic. Alle klagen über zu wenig Bühne usw aber die geben exakt das wieder was aufgenommen wurde ohne „Hallefreffekte“ oder anderen Schnickschnack, wenn ich meine eigenen Aufnahmen damit höre bekomme ich wirklich das Gefühl ich bin da; alle andere die so eine angeblich tolle Bühne haben klingen falsch, auch der HD800 das passt einfach nicht, ist nett als Effekt aber es klingt nicht „korrekt“ und der DT880 ging gar nicht, das hat nur gezischelt. Ohne EQ pack ich den nicht.
@@oluvsgadgets "Alle klagen über zu wenig Bühne usw aber die geben exakt das wieder was aufgenommen wurde ohne „Hallefreffekte“ oder anderen Schnickschnack"
Klar verständlich, mit Halleffekt meinte ich, dass es eine art Hall gibt, ähnlich wie das was in einem Raum passiert mit Lautsprechern, und für mich ist zum Beispiel der Aspekt sehr wichtig in Kopfhörern, die Abstimmung von Haus aus interessiert mich eher wenig da man diese ja wirklich mit EQ beinahe perfekt beheben kann.
Andere finden da halt andere Aspekte wichtiger, bei dir ist es ja größtenteils die Abstimmung. Alles gut, nur gibt es durch Bauweise und Dämpfhüngsunterschiede definitiv Sachen die durch EQ nicht veränderbar sind.
Eine kleine Bühne in geschlossener Bauweise ist halt definitiv die Art und Weise den Sound am korrektesten klingen zu lassen, da es wenig andere Einflüsse gibt, nur gibt es halt auch Leute die diese Einflüsse wichtig finden, wie mich.
" alle andere die so eine angeblich tolle Bühne haben klingen falsch, auch der HD800 das passt einfach nicht, ist nett als Effekt aber es klingt nicht „korrekt“ und der DT880 ging gar nicht, das hat nur gezischelt. Ohne EQ pack ich den nicht."
Ich habe persönlich miterlebt dass die offene Bauweise bei Kopfhörern etwas den Klang schadet und oft sich "zu weit weg" anhört. Bei einem HD600 bleibt das noch größtenteils aus. Macht man aber die Bühne größer wird das eher zu einem Problem. Ich kann dir zustimmen, dass es sich etwas fake anhört. Beim DT880 gilt das gleiche, dass EQ sehr weiter hilft um ihn erträglich zu machen vom Sound, trotzden ist Detail und Speed im Vergleich zu anderen KH höher, Unterschiede die höchstwahrscheinlich mit Bauweise und dem Treiber zusammenhängen.
I just want my MDR-cd2000's again. They were the comfiest headphones ever.
Oluv much love, but how can I get the EQ ?
Instead of listening by eq numbers just FEEL the SOUND pressure on your ears.when it is in balance you havethe correct sound for your ears.
Oluv, where did you post your EQ settings for the ZX110??
patreon probably
Oluv I respect you immensely and I’m a big fan, but imaging, soundstage and other sound components DOESN'T come down to 5% of the sound! At least not to many ppl, including me.
Same. There is a HUGE fucking difference. Its not all about frequency. Love Oluv but I was surprised to hear him make that claim.
It mostly depends on the kind of music. A track like Analogue Oluv uses very often in his comparisons isn't really that soundstage, imaging, resolution and timbre dependent, imho. Classical music, large orchestral works let me hear differences more clearly. That said, I could still hear a difference in airiness and fluidity between the Sony (with full EQ) and the Sennheiser HD600 in this comparison video. The HD600 sounded more dynamic and confident. Tonally the difference between them was less obvious. This proves me that tonal balance alone doesn't make the final difference.
@@nout1972 Agree, this is what i have noticed, people are different, some perceive FR as everything there is in a sound, others look for soundstage, and the reality is the combination of everything that makes a great sound. i think it is wrong to assume there is only one way to hear things. i have experienced this with speakers, they may sound great from FR point of view , i bought it based on that, when i listened to it it sounded like i was listening to the sound coming out of a pipe in a single narrow direction with no sound stage what so ever. at the end i returned it and bought another speaker with worse FR and better sound stage over all and it is much more comfortable to listen to. in conclusion, sound is subjective.
@@supernova1976 I recently bought a cheap pair of Sivga SV021's. Horrible frequency response. Bright highs and boomy bass. But for enjoying music I like them much better than my Sennheiser HD650s. Mainly because of the much wider soundstage.
hyper critical of a great budget headphone set ! , wow ! great sound for the price
I strongly disagree that freq response alone makes for 95% or more of the importance of a headphone... maybe you are only listening for that aspect to that degree.. It is very important but not to that percent. IMHO you are not yet sensitive enough (or the music you are using doesn't offer) to perceive 'details' , speed of a headphone and other aspects and how all of them interact to value the headphones fairly. Another thing is about eq vs particular headphone 'units' ... especially cheaper ones (but also expensive ones) differ quite a lot from one unit to the next so the eq might be totally wrong proportionally more with the high frequencies if done on a unit and applied on a different one.. that's why software like Sonarworks or eq settings done by different people on different units are a 'hit-or-miss' kind of thing.
I bet with you that you won’t hear a difference between 2 headphones equalized to sound the same.
And you don’t know what kind of music I usually listen to. I used the music here for demonstration purposes only
@@oluvsgadgets I'd take that bet any day of the week. Also how do you feel about these headphones regarding build quality? My Wh-1000xm3 that I use for my commute has this amazing ability to feel really fragile and durable at the same time
@@techtt6213 the Sonys here are crap, piece of garbage and they make noises with the smallest face movement, but I just wanted to show that they can still be made usable and enjoyable. It was an experiment as Amir taked about transformation of sound and how these would reach audiophile levels, but when I listened to his EQ I thought is he joking? I don't really take this topic serious, was only fooling around a bit.
there two model of this mdr-zx110ap and mdr-zx110nc, which one in review ?
15:22 hello, what should i do to test your equalization of the sony zx 110 i have them stored in a drawer and your video seemed very interesting to me since the difference is notorious.
I don't remember where I posted my original settings, I had several versions, also reduced ones for only 10 filters, I think this one was my last version, but I noticed that it gives different results to most, as the on-ear design is very prone to variation between different ears:
Filter: ON PK Fc 40 Hz Gain 3.5 dB Q 1
Filter: ON PK Fc 90 Hz Gain -10 dB Q 0.3333
Filter: ON PK Fc 370 Hz Gain -2 dB Q 10
Filter: ON PK Fc 500 Hz Gain -2 dB Q 1.5
Filter: ON PK Fc 1000 Hz Gain 2.5 dB Q 2
Filter: ON PK Fc 1275 Hz Gain -2 dB Q 5
Filter: ON PK Fc 1500 Hz Gain 1.5 dB Q 1.5
Filter: ON PK Fc 1600 Hz Gain -6 dB Q 3
Filter: ON PK Fc 2000 Hz Gain 0.7 dB Q 1.5
Filter: ON PK Fc 5000 Hz Gain -4 dB Q 1.5
Filter: ON PK Fc 5250 Hz Gain -4.6 dB Q 4
Filter: ON PK Fc 7550 Hz Gain -12 dB Q 6.2354
Filter: ON PK Fc 8250 Hz Gain -12 dB Q 5
Filter: ON PK Fc 9850 Hz Gain -6.5 dB Q 8
Filter: ON PK Fc 9750 Hz Gain 7.5 dB Q 0.8
Filter: ON PK Fc 13750 Hz Gain -5.3 dB Q 8
Filter: ON PK Fc 11500 Hz Gain -10.7 dB Q 8
Filter: ON PK Fc 6100 Hz Gain -6.8 dB Q 5
Filter: ON PK Fc 250 Hz Gain -1 dB Q 1
Filter: ON PK Fc 140 Hz Gain -1 dB Q 0.8
Filter: ON PK Fc 90 Hz Gain -1 dB Q 1.5165
Filter: ON PK Fc 6750 Hz Gain -8 dB Q 10
Filter: ON PK Fc 9125 Hz Gain -6 dB Q 10
Filter: ON PK Fc 3000 Hz Gain -2.2 dB Q 5
Filter: ON PK Fc 3660 Hz Gain -6 dB Q 5
Filter: ON PK Fc 7200 Hz Gain 3.1 dB Q 1
Filter: ON PK Fc 10300 Hz Gain -5 dB Q 10
@@oluvsgadgets Thanks for taking the time to answer, I will definitely try it.
Die MDR-ZX110 haben für den Preis mindestens 3 sehr gute Eigenschaften: Der Klang, das sehr reißfeste Kabel, die Klappbarkeit. Ich benutze sie hauptsächlich auf Flugreisen, um Filme zu schauen und Dialoge gut zu verstehen. Einziges Manko (vermutlich nur für mich persönlich): der Bügel drückt etwas zu fest an den Ohren.
Der Klang ist in Wahrheit schrecklich, ohne EQ ist das Teil unbrauchbar
Hey Oluv. First of all thank you for all your videos. Could you please help me decide buying a set of heaphones. I will use the headphones for games (not competitive, just single player) and music/movies at home only . Not mixing, not critical. I like a good soundstage but i also like a good bass (not exaggerated just decent and clean). I like a sound that is not tiresome, just pleasant to hear, not to much treble not to much bass, i like balanced sound with great details but nice mid-low punch and to be fun. I will not use an amp/dac for the moment.
I have a list from looking on the internet. Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro 80 Ohm, Sennheiser HD 599/ HD 560S, Philips Fidelio X2HR/Philips SHP9500. Which one is better all around? Or if you have other recommendation in this price range please. Or anyone who wants to help.Thanks
DT770
nice mid low punch? kph30i clears (removed foam inside) with the grado gs1000 earpads and a removed stock pads. bangers for 40$ man if you already bought ur dt770's u can always consider these as ur portable choice
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I find this hard to believe. I mean Meze must’ve put a lot of effort and research into making a $3000 headphone. How is it possible that they would get it so wrong? I just don’t understand.
Id love to be able to listen to these very expensive headphones in person to hear it for myself.
As Oluv said, 95-99% of the sound is in the frequency response. This was mastered decades ago. Headphone companies are forced to create new products or else they will go out of business. Many "high-end" headphones are made to look fancy but offer little in terms of actual sound-quality.
@@Sharur1 yes!
@@Sharur1 Hi, daddy! 😍
Watched on my Sony MDR-ZX110, my opinion they works much on xperia phone with DSEE HX turned on
Hi oluv. How do these compare to the mh1c? Tks.
Guys if you want/need a decent pair of vfm budget headphones which doesn't need necessarily eq or headphone amp why don't you just go for the AKG k361 ? For 70-80 euros you can get very good headphones. I listened to them through my s10 samsung and they sound really really good.
I hope that this comment might help you enjoy music.
Thanks Oluv for the nice videos.
I nailed the blind test! Can i get a cookie?
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It never ceases to amaze me how certain reviewers review products such as these .. I sometimes wonder why there are those who expect something for next to nothing that compare to far more expensive gear... 😶
I am amazed that you really believe spending money will get you “quality sound”
Gracias por hacer que me ahorre mucho dinero! Thanks!
You can buy leather earpads for these headphones. Stock ones look quite uncomfortable. I'm not sure how much leather changes the sound, but it will definitely make these way more likeable
Are there any brands you know of to look at?
@@Breezy_Summer ZX110 uses 70mm earpads. I can't think of any popular earpad maker who has this size available, however you can find some decent none branded ones on chinese websites. For some reason, my replies keep getting taken down. I hope your able to see this one
@@Breezy_Summer Look for perforated ones. They're usually 20mm+ in thickness which is more than double compared to the stock pads
@@muhammadali.8170 thank you for both of your replies. I saw them.
Pls. compare it with the Superlux that you Equalized .
Is it comfortable for long listening sessions and people with big heads?
I bought these famous ZX110 headphones, but where is Oluv's EQ for them?
This is really interesting as it brings up the most important aspect of sound, it's FR. But also I'm curious at the end of the day it is driver/diaphragm material that vibrates, which has it's own sound. So two very dissimilar membrane, even when equalised to identical FR will sound different. 'speed' I believe is a result of low distortion (better magnet strength helps here with distortion also better control, eg: fostex th900 and focals) , appropriate level at 10khz. Even this can be mimicked a bit. But we cannot discount material and its properties. Also this is one of the allure of lighter membranes from electrostatics
What haha frequency response is so not the most important thing about audio gear
I mean it's important but certainly not deal breaking. You're EQ isn't going to fix poor dynamics, low detail, low quality drivers prone to distortion, soundstage (which controlled largely by the housing)
@@techtt6213 detail is just another aspect of frequency response. There are so many fairytales in the audiophool business that it truly hurts a sane mind
@@oluvsgadgets its not tho, it works up and until a limit. Just like how I can edit my pictures to make dark areas brighter but only for so much. If FR really has that influence no audio company would have to spend much on R&D, they would just get 'ok' drivers, put them in front of a microphone, frequency sweep, correct for it, and sell it.
@@techtt6213 Most of the rich hobbyist/audiophiles are spending so much money on equipment just to reach that peak natural sound that you hear in real life which is related to frequency response, that should be backed up by great resolution, other technicalities like imaging, soundstage is a plus if they get it right. Which no audiogear cant perfectly replicate still. Detail retrieval is just a part of resolution as a whole and speed relies on the driver technology that is used. But i get what youre saying, as I too wouldn't place fr as my first priority, but its the drivers resolution capability.
The good news is that you don’t have to buy expensive headphones... Just use some EQ and the result is very similar 😏
Depends on hardware constraints. Some phones "refuse" to sound the way you want them to. Others accept EQ very gracefuly.
I have one and I love it!!
I couldnt find out the A and B from the last video but knew that C was the meze with the treble
A was the focal cuz it has less bass go hear its audio samples in previous vedios
And B was sony clearly it was equalized was balanced
C was definitely meze cuz expensive headphones got Lotta treble in them
@@Smzxe A was the Sony and B was the Focal
@@Terra101 maybe oluv baiting us 👀🤑
Because you hear you own headphones. His sound demos are to compare sound signature. I
Can u pls review the shp9500 and 9600 and let us know your opinion?
I think he did. Anyway brighter than the older model
Can you fix those 3k headphones? I want to hear that. I mean theres something that makes them cost that much?
I will try
actually how to eq wif my pc. i download apo eq but it doesnt work
You can change the frequency response with EQ, but not the details. The cheap Sony have little details.
Oluv. What's your opinion on running in headphones or amplifiers etc?
I noticed a huge difference with a valve amplifier over about 100 hours of run in time.
My HD600's also seemed to benefit from some run in time.
Thank you.
Rich.
what application does he use for eq on his computer?
How can I use your EQ settings on computer/android?
In android you can buy wavelet and use it.
Equalizer APO on Windows
Hey Oluv, which EQ software are you using? and can it work with tidal?
EqualizerAPO works system wide on windows.
@@oluvsgadgets But I have an apple laptop just like you.. what is best?
@@BwanaJesuasifiwe Bootcamp 😅
@@BwanaJesuasifiwe there are some solutions for Apple too, there is some discussion on my Patreon regarding this topic but I haven’t tried them out yet. I used bootcamp in this video
Now imagine if you started changing pads, modifying the cups, etc..
Queremos test de los sony ZX3110 valen 15 dólares y hasta menos 👌🙌
What is your EQ value? I want to try following you.