Reacting to Trans Character in Bob's Burgers
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The audio in the sponsor portion of this video is on the left side only instead of both audio channels, which is somewhat annoying.
I would love for you to cover Marshmallow's run throughout the rest of the show - I am glad that you mentioned that they recast the voice actor.
you might want to redo your audio for the sponsor segment. it's... unpleasant. only in the left side, kind of loud, noticeable popping...
I would love to see an episode where Marshmallow opens her own nightclub and hires Bob to do the catering.
i just love that anytime marshmallow shows up, no matter what nonsense is going on, bob will take the time to say hi to her. he's just genuinely happy to have her as a friend
The only thing I know about Marshmallow is that she comes and goes as she pleases, she answers to no one, and she is truly free.
'Yeah yeah she's a free spirit we get it bob'
I love Marshmallow.
bluuussh
Marshmallow is such an amazing character, I love how she reoccurs in the series
Bob is actually canonically bisexual! It’s shown in snippets throughout the show but is confirmed by the creators
Yes!! was waiting for someone to point that out, absolutely love how progressive they've become.
The meat counter guy😂
Him tonguing a man cow in a wig 😭😭😭🥲🥲🥲
@@Hylianmonkeys such a good scene lol
That makes me really happy to hear
You can never tell if a character on Bob’s Burgers is trans coded since at least half of the cis women characters are voiced by men
The women are voiced by men but the trans woman is now voiced by a trans woman 🫢
@@_samanthalux the 'authentic casting' so many folks are pushing for is going to end up hurting minorities/marginalized folks. look no further than prozd, asian voice actor who fully supported 'authentic casting' until he was only getting offers to read for asian characters. different rules for different people isn't equality. best to hire folks based on merit or talent rather than race or sexuality/identity etc. voice actors getting bullied on twitter bc they don't look like the characters they are voicing is bonkers.
@@_samanthaluxyay ❤
@@_samanthalux While I'm fine with that, I don't like this idea that the voice-actor has to be the same race or gender as the character. I think that's like political correctness gone too far.
:)
Marshmallow is probably my favorite trans rep in media. She's loved by everyone and she just.. exists. She's so cool and everyone is cool with her
I didn't know Marshmallow is Trans... That's Pawesome 😺
She is an ICON
@@chloeah101she is the moment.
It seems like the older stuff that was progressive at the time still tends to confuse trans women with drag queens.
ya trans was kind of a term that was all encompasing back then rather than just one identity
what the person above said ^^ but also to some degree, depending on your definition of trans, it can be correct. Drag is "transvestism" in the old sexology lingo, and while that's fallen largely out of favor, I'd still argue that, for all intents and purposes, anyone who is currently in drag is "trans." They're "doing" transness. They "do" it temporarily, but in the long run, everyone "does gender" temporarily. That they are transcending the prescribed bounds of their assigned sex makes them, in that moment, "trans," and while they may take it off afterwards, that doesn't undo the harm they can experience while in drag, because someone is perceiving them as a trans woman. It's ultimately the argument that belies trans womens' inclusion in women's spaces -- if people are doing violence to women, they're not doing violence to women because they have a chromosome detector, they're doing it because the target looks like a woman who fits their categories required for "target." If people are doing violence to trans women, they're not doing it because they have a perfect trans-detector, they're doing it because the target looks like a trans woman. So while they may not meet the categorical requirements for LITERAL inclusion under the umbrella of "transgender," for all pragmatic intents and purposes, they should probably still be considered "transgender."
@@artemisjackson222 Jack Halberstam has a book about this that rocks, called "Trans*" -- not a super long read, very accessible, and an absolutely wonderful politics
@@candyh4284yeah, see, I'm sure you're more educated on sexology than I am but it will never not feel weird and gross to read that drag queens are "doing trans". All I know is that I was born with bits that didn't feel right and life has been shitty because of that.. Not really sure how a drag queen is encompassing any of the experiences I've had tbh
@@rainkidwell2467 With the utmost respect, when cis women say that about trans women, they're correctly called morons for it.
The whole Belcher family is insanely trans coded
Also, this show got so far in 14 years, they don’t make trans people the butt of the joke anymore and they’re pretty open about gender & stuff (like Gene, while at the beginning he was looked at weird for being “feminine”, now it’s just a part of his character & is supported :3)
I started imagining gene identifying as genderfluid.
…Generfluid.
Samantha: “Are you one of me🫵🤨🏳️⚧️”
“🔎🧐I’m in my transvestegator era”
@notjustanotherharlow4776 "Transvestigator" sounds is cool...makes me think of Transformers, are you also some kind of super hero? 🤔😂
@@j.artiste8596 oh we don’t like those people transvestigators are the people who think every celebrity is trans oh also I don’t really know what you were saying at the end but I’m not trans…
Yes
Hi sam
"Marshmallow isnt handsome! Shes beautiful! :D" thats such a cute line i love that so much ❤
Her clothing in that episode is so cute too. She doesn’t always wear the white thong suit. She often just wears a cute crop top & shorts
Sadly, the first season of Bob's Burgers has moments that don't age well. They were clearly trying to be edgy to be like other Fox shows, and that would've been detrimental to the show's future.
Thankfully, they stopped that and found their groove as a funny, heartfelt family show. Bob is easily the best dad in adult animation history
Honestly, even the more iffy moments were still very progressive. There was the initial HA HA HA MAN IN A DRESS factor, but even in that very episode, the drag queens aren't really meant to be "joke" charachters like Ida Quagmire, but just...charachters. People. People who are different, but people nonetheless. I actually feel like that kind of representation is what helps people become more open-minded to things they were close-minded about. If we look past the political incorrectness and really take it for what it is, I think it's good representation of LGBT people.
Its like how despite all the n-bombs, Blazing Saddles is still one of the best films lampooning racism.
edgy humor is good to, some time people want to just laugh at something and media doesnt need to tell a socially correct story. the only goal should be entertainment and show quality.
@@user-hi4ww4eu7o It just isn't funny
@@ericb9252 fair point
For being edgey it could've been worse the show was supposed to be about cannibals running a burger restaurant.
In more recent seasons, Bob’s Burgers has gotten so, so much better at inclusion. It’s my favorite of the American adult shows in that aspect. It’s very nice seeing us LGBTQ portrayed as just normal people and not as some big shock to everyone around them like most shows. LGBTQ people aren’t treated differently in the show, nobody reacts in a huge way when they find out. It’s very refreshing
This is a show that got better and better for sure
Examples?
@@PeacheIIeNat is a reoccurring character in the show and she’s a lesbian and it’s only brought up casually by saying “my girlfriend” and then in later episodes they focus on her relationship with her ex girlfriend a little, and every time there’s no jokes, and it’s talked about as casually as they would talk about any other relationships! Bob is also bisexual, and Linda is totally fine with it, and it’s just another casual thing. One of bob’s dad’s best friends is gay, and owns a gay bar, and it’s treated casually and even throughout the episode he gives advice to bob and is shown as a good character who just happens to be gay.
yeah they definitely took feedback from this ep to heart. Which doesn't mean it was all bad, there's some good stuff, but they definitely improved for sure. And I don't hate Bob's messy use of terminology, because the whole point is he doesn't really know, but he's still cool about things. It's a great baseline attitude, but then of course they go straight to jokes AT them which is less good.
Second scene: I always understood the gene part as he's in trouble bc he's too young to be on a porn site and he realizes that now. And Bob is literally talking about hookers at breakfast. Not exactly appropriate for breakfast with your kids.
Overall for when it came out its good representation. By our modern standards it's sup-par
I do love that Bob stays friends with the Transwomen including Marshmallow who shows up repeatedly throughout the series afterwards
Marshmallow is the bomb. Cracking bob's back is a hilarious scene.
That’s how I always interpreted things too. Gene is a kid and if I was his parent I’d be unhappy with him looking at porn at his age. It wouldn’t matter what the porn was, just that he’s too young to be looking up naked people online. Then maybe have a conversation about gender/sexuality based on the type of porn they were looking at.
Marshmallow rocks!
i like marshmallow
edit: considering the bi moments bob has had i would hesitate to call him straight
She’s so cool
I think bob is confirmed to be bisexual
I'm pretty sure all the times we've seen bob have a moment of romantic tension or expressed attraction to anyone other than linda it has been with other men.
Trans and Drag were also presented a lot as the same thing in the late 90s - 2010s with trans being depicted as performative. One show that handled it reasonably well was actually Sex and the City both for distinguishing the two and accepting them both.
I think the younger folk don't want to differentiate as they see it as, pardon the pun, transitive. Trans is also four letter and tweet friendly. Sometimes I wonder if the codification is assumed by who is speaking and who is listening. When identifying as Transvestite or Transsexual, there was a bit more clarity.
this, people outside the LGBT community didn't know the difference between drag and trans for a long time. Society really has come a long way in recent years.
Back in 2011, Transvestite was more equivalent to drag queen, or rather it rolled up modern-trans and drag together. There wasn't the idea of those being two distinct concepts, unless you worked in mental health, or were deeply embedded in the community. It's like, in English the colour "blue" encompasses two different colours for Polish speakers - but both are just arbitrary divisions of the colour spectrum. I'll sink my antediluvian carcass back into the depths of internet now...
Both Italian and Russian make the same destinction for blue. This is why I've stopped saying 'light blue' and instead use 'aqua'.
Gene got banned from the computer because he's 11 and was looking at porn, it's not transphobic to not want a child watching trans porn or any porn for that matter
she's talking about gene saying "after what i saw i'm fine with [being banned]" not the banning itself
It’s really nice hearing someone talk about how trans representation can both help and hurt the community ❤
i know everyone treats us trans people like we’re hypersensitive but let’s be honest, we are so fucking happy to see “well intentioned” and “close enough” where it matters, even if it isn’t politically correct. we will make an effort for people who do the same for us. the intention and respect matters the most
Yeah nah I disagree
I agree. I recognize that transgender people and the way we live is not understood by most people. When we are represented in a way that is well intentioned, I feel glad because it normalizes and sometimes humanizes us to an audience that might not know us any other way.
Not to mention that the LGBTQ inclusion In Bob’s burgers improved so much since then. They didn’t let the “great queer representation” go to their heads and then get butthurt over future constructive criticism. They’re just growing and vibing like they always have even if they don’t always get it right
You told a Jewish gay man that not believing you on the Holocaust is automatically bad acting despite you refusing to provide a source. You literally think “not believing me” is Holocaust deniel.
I kinda have a different perspective on the Eugene going on the ‘transvestite’ site I think the joke was supposed to be that he went on a p*rn site. So I don’t think bob is trying to get Eugene in trouble for actually learning about trans people, as he’s just getting banned from the computer for looking at non age appropriate content, and generally most kids think that kind of stuff is weird at that age maybe? Idk that’s my interpretation, I’m not saying it’s a great joke, this show kinda has a general edgy humor that can age poorly fs.
That’s what I got from it too! Also it’s just gene, Eugene is the actors name
Gene is openly not a straight kid and while Bob doesn’t have as good a relationship with him as he does his daughters there’s never any sense that Bob is upset by Gene’s proto-queerness or tries to curtail his gender expression so, yeah, Bob’s just not happy about him being on an adult site
I always understood transvestite to just mean crossdresser. Vestite as in vestment, as in clothing. Trans as in on the other side of the expected gender.
I don't tend to think of clothes as gendered, but still, to me it always meant; a cis person who enjoys presenting as the opposite expected gender as a hobby for their own entertainment. Where as a drag artist does it as entertainment for others. Though regardless, as all things when we're already talking something as wishy washy as gender, the lines between all this stuff can get pretty muddy anyway.
The show is how old?!?!?!
Bob has been flipping burgers even before Blue Ivy was born?!?!
This show came out when I was like 9 years old I remember it when the first episode premiered and now I'm 21. Being that old sounds about right
@@nataliewood2554same here I was 9 when this show came out
Bob is canonically bisexual at this point and Marshmallow is my queen
I do disagree with most of the reading of the second scene. Gene isn't being shamed. He's grounded for being a child who looked at porn. His own reaction, I think, is general disgust over porn or sex in general, because he's too young for it (I could be wrong about that last part though).
I felt the same way, it seemed more like he was being grounded because he was a child looking at inappropriate material and on the family laptop.
I was about to say the same. It's not because they were trans it's because he saw some stuff he was too young for.
They portray Gene as being a queer kid but also a kid who isn’t (yet?) interested in dating/relationships/sex because he’s young
yeah and I felt that Linda saying it was inappropriate discussion at breakfast was more about the hooker part around elementary aged children.
@@laurafrakinroslin We have seen him be attracted to characters with LARGE breasts, such as the dinner lady, or the dugong puppet. Plus we've had him and courtney wheeler be together multiple times
Bob’s Burgers is still a great show but I do love marshmallow she’s an amazing character.
The show did get better with lgbtq representation and it’s a theory that Gene is genderfluid!
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@@DinkLover69 I don’t think so. It’s very genuine. And it’s helpful regardless
It's definitely got some dated ideas, but I think, like most Bob's Burgers episodes, its heart is in the right place. Bob's acceptance is pretty powerful.
And at the risk of sound apologist for the writers, I would not be surprised if there was Fox studio pushback on the story's content, and they probably had to make some things more jokey/dismissive in order to get it through.
i don't think Gene is disgusted by the transpeople on the site, but the actual porn stuff he saw.
Im fairly sure it was never stated these are trans women. Transvestite and transsexual have alway been very separate identifications in modern history.
Not so much during the time the show came out.
@@asdfghj13579fly no they still were. I was alive when this episode aired. Transexual and transvestite has been around for like 5 decades….
pretty sure at least marshmallow is confirmed to be trans
also, one of them literally makes a joke about getting a vaginoplasty... crossdressers generally don't get bottom surgery
My oldest, bestest friend is trans and she and I both think the term "transvestite" is not outdated. We both could be mistaken (it's happened before once or twice) but we're pretty sure that transvestite is the same as "crossdresser." Not an individual that is in the process of transition, or even one with an assigned misgendering, but someone that is one specific sex and gender, but enjoys wearing clothes designed for the opposite.
Please correct me if you know for certain that I'm incorrect.
You are correct. The folks claiming the label of transvestite back then were most often cis hetero men who enjoyed "crossdressing" for their own personal enjoyment and because the word "crossdresser" carried some bad connotations (this is esp around the time that movies like Psycho and Hannibal's Buffalo Bill featuring crossdressing serial killers were popular and the general public started equating the word crossdresser with the idea of psychotic killers), they wanted a new label that didn't have the same baggage. Unfortunately most of the mainstream public who didn't even really understand drag at the time confused it both with the idea of drag queens and "transsexuals" and lumped all three together. You could even compare it to the way being gay or lesbian was often equated to wanting to change genders (lesbians being accused of wanting to be men and gay men being told they just wanted to be girls) even though it had nothing to do with that. Any label that hit the mainstream just generally became confused with something else.
My critique on that first scene: They could be trans women or drag queens. The one jokes that she's a 'married man' ... which could imply drag or a trans woman that's comfortable joking about their AGAB
Scene 2: The actual Transvestite definition is a person who dresses in clothes primarily associated with the opposite sex (typically used of a man). So not necessarily transgender, but more of cross-dressers or fem boys. Think Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Scene 3/4: I've seen aggressive cis women and passive cis men so idk where they get AMAB = aggressive and AFAB = gentle
Ok that trans pep talk makes me want to watch the show ... but yeah not to say that they were right in their outdated terms and stereotypes ... but those are my takes on it. I'm agender and deal with lots of hate so I'll take any good rep I can get even if it's slight.
Bob's love for Marshmello is my secret dream couple ❤ he always blushes and studders
To be fair about the Gene Scene, where he looked up porn, he's more so reacting to the porn aspect since Gene is seen many times disgusted by sexual things. He rarely ever shows any sexual attraction to anyone or anyhting, especially based on looks.
I love the line, “Marshmallow’s not handsome, she’s beautiful.”
Think worse thing for this episode was it was in season 1 before the show was able to do what it wanted. Later seasons are much more lgbt friendly. Bob even confirmed bi
I watched this show as it came out, and I remember seeing the trans characters get in the back of the cab and thinking "oh no, this show is going to disappoint me" and then being very pleasantly surprised. It wasnt the best, but it made me laugh a few times
It doesn’t matter how many videos I see of Samantha’s, i can’t get over how beautiful she is
the power of 100 thousands dollars of Frankenstein butchery and chemicals shiit
Ikr she’s so cute and adorable!!
@@LizardOfmonaco-uc7rd Every accusation is a confession.
@sophiepooks2174 the slogan of the left.
@@rhymerlegend2717 When you die, your death won't matter. Your comments will be seen and mocked by people. Because in the future, us trans people will receive love. So you'll be mocked and laughed at.
You just now learned about Marshmallow??
She's the GOAT.
Ok, I actually think they write Gene as a trans girl!! Gene has said things about being a girl and has yelled loudly about having a vagina, and there are a ton of subtle clues too! BB is one of my comfort shows that I even watch in my sleep, so maybe that's just my head canon, but...
Oh hell no
I’ve seen speculations about it but I’ve been watching this show for probably 10 years at this point on repeat and I’ve never gotten that vibe. I’ve seen him as a straight/ possibly queer male who’s very comfortable expressing his gender in a very feminine way he’s never really struggled with his gender identity and seems happy the way he is the only character I’ve seen struggle is Louis bc she felt like she wasn’t girly enough and Tina told her it was okay… I think a lot of the comments about him being a girl and having a vagina is because he’s close with his two sisters and mom and doesn’t like feeling left out but he’s made plenty of wiener jokes too. If anything I’d say he could be gender-fluid or non-binary just not a trans woman even then I still just think he’s a cis male… until the show touches on it more I’m going to hold continue holding that opinion.
Hi Samantha, I love your channel and I love that you're talking about Bob's Burgers! I interpreted the scene with Gene and the computer differently. As someone who's familiar with the shows and characters, I don't think Gene was trying to say that he was disgusted specifically by transfem porn. He's a 11 year old boy and one of his traits is getting extremely anxious when he thinks he's attracted to someone or something. So I think instead of being disgusted he was just overstimulated by seeing things that no 11 year old could ever be prepared to see. And in later seasons Gene becomes more transfem/gender non conforming coded.
In 2010/2011 the mantra for comedy was that equality is joking about everyone equally. Obviously we know now that people can't be trusted with that as they'll take jokes about a trans person and equate that to all trans folk, but I think the intent here was to be inclusive, poke some fun, but ultimately try and show a positive and kind group of people who are trans.
I think they'd do much better with it in 2024. I've not watched in a long time tbh so might pop back into it and see how it's going.
Fun video, I always like to get views from people about the portrayal of their groups in media, so you've earned a subscribe and I look forward to future content.
Fun fact: in México, the word transvestite is still used within the community as non derogatory form of drag queen/king. However, there has been a cultural shift where more and more people are using the term "drag queen"; possibly due to media popularizing drag queen shows like Rupaul's Drag Race and La Draga Mas Draga.
This was a very helpful and informative deconstruction of this episode. My circle has a lot of people who do drag, and many of them are also trans, but this type of conversation makes me realize that it’s important to recognize those parts of them separately. Until this talk back I thought this whole episode was just featuring drag performers, but I think I just wasn’t being critical enough because it didn’t directly relate to my experience.
This comes from a genuine effort to understand. My understanding was that a transvestite was a man who dressed as a woman primarily for sexual reasons, as a fetish, and not as an expression of their identity. They don't necessarily feel like a woman, but derive sexual pleasure from appearing like one. Is it not?
Well they used to be confused. Like used interchangeably.
Transvestite is not about gender identity. It's just enjoying dressing up in women's clothing (or men's clothing, if you're a woman). These characters are not trans.
I think it's ok how they did it. It's accurate to Bob's character and his level of knowledge at the time.
Bob is bisexual, he is not an ally he is part of the community 🎉
It was pointed out to me that if you pay attention to the son Gene. Throughout the series he seems to drop little hints that he could be trans. At times he'll refer to himself as one of the girls, or his body in feminine description and say things that seems like he doesn't align with his gender. It's not confirmed but it's an interesting thought of you watch the whole show and pay attention
Mother has returned to sustain me with more content
For the joke of Gene on the website its more by how hes presented in the show
Gene doesn't adhere to conventional definitions of gender identity. While he hasn't explicitly labeled himself as gender-fluid, he frequently expresses that he aligns with aspects of femininity both physically and emotionally.
Bob's Burgers is one of my fav series, for many reasons but their constant support to our community is a big one of them. So I love that more people talk about this amazing show 🤗 (and not Bob saying Marshmallow is beautiful 😖😳)
OMG, Samantha. You HAVE TO WATCH INFINITY TRAIN BOOK 2. It has amazing rep in allegories and metaphors. I love the 2nd and 4th book so much.
I LOVE Marshmallow!
I love when Bob corrects Teddy or Linda when they said Marshmallow, for the psych prediction of tall dark and handsome, and said she's beautiful.
Bobs burgers is one of my favourite shows
If the passenger said he was a married man, that would mean they were just transvestites, not trans women. Transvestites are just crossdressers, which I believe the 1st clip was referring to
i always understood transvestite to generally mean cross-dresser, which seems to accurately fit the scenario with the one describing herself as a 'married man.' maybe they just like to get dolled up and trick? the 'progressive' word and thought police has gotten a bit out of hand.
It is interesting to look at the early era of the show, because even back then this storyline was pretty daring and accepting on that way of life, and it was due to episodes like this that gave Bob's Burgers a massive queer audience! We find out that there is a lot of queer-coded stuff throughout the later seasons (Bob is at least Bi and some fans go as far as saying that Gene is at the very least fluid). The last few years the show has done a line of Pride merch to raise money for linked charities and honestly it's all really awesome. :)
I liked this episode growing up and i find it innocent enough
Yeah theres a few jokes where im like oh babes thats not on but its shown in a positve light and they never state they are bad or dangerous unlike many others bobs burgers is very queer friendly and i love it
Also within that time frame of 2011 when the show first started only the few knew that Gene is a TransFemme egg. Before our shells cracked we saw ourselves in Gene because we're similar. A closer relationship with our mothers than fathers. Being spontaneous, breaking the Heteronormativity, and expanding ourselves to be open minded. Episode after episode it's clear that Gene is TransFemme or Nonbinary. As Samantha mentioned the Modeling is great, even though the punch lines of the writers were bad. But, over time I think Unions and writers are indicating more positive messages against heteronormativity (THEIR is no such thing as straightness being normal and it shouldn't be enforced down all Human beings) we can see that we will have more positive representation. I just wish Transbians (WlW) had more representation because it's hard for us to be in relationships. Dead name Domain YT discussed how a Lesbian bar owner doesn't accept TransFemmes. That isn't Feministic nor Inclusive of the LGB community when their are individuals with in the 2SLGBTQIA+ community that have Transmysogy or Internalized Transphobia. And we need media to show positive representation, correct the mistakes and to remove the hurt, hate and the stereotypes Ace Ventura, pass media, and writers have done against the Transgender, Nonbinary, and Gender nonconforming communities. Gene is such an egg. ⚧️ 🥰
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I looked up the term "transvestite" and it basically means cross-dresser, not necessarily transgendered people. In that context, the "I'm a married man" joke makes more sense and, in my mind, is far less offensive. As a man, I'm not sure what men are supposed to feel when we're attracted to trans women... I know I have no problem admitting that you're smoking hot because, well.... I have eyes. As far as the party goes, I'm not sure the jokes were trans joke or sex-worker jokes, but either way, my main criteria for jokes is first and foremost if they're funny, and these jokes weren't that funny. In any case, the issues are bigger in society than about trans attraction, and is as much or more about homophobia. They see these trans women as men and, if they wouldn't be ashamed about being attracted to a man, then attraction to a trans woman wouldn't be an issue.
You just feel what you feel when you're attracted to any other woman, you said it yourself.. You have eyes. And I'd rather these people stay uncomfortable with the idea of attraction to a man than suddenly be okay with that, AND STILL SEE ME as a man. They can deal with their ignorance internally, shouldn't be anyone else's problem
Considering the cis writers who'd already cast male voice actors to do all the female voices, and its production in 2011, I'd say this is the least transphobic episode yet pre-2013.
Except for the framing them all as men, including a trans woman (tho she could have been a man who's GNC or a cis drag queen); but honestly these people needed sensitivity training and a good 15 hours of violence and gender dysphoria to really understand what this is like.
Bob is canonically bisexual, not straight. The show definitely gets better especially Marshmallow and the allyship in later seasons.
So, one thing I’ll say is that Bob didn’t ban Gene from using the computer because he was looking at trans women. He banned Gene from using the computer because he was looking at porn. If it was cis women, he still would have been banned.
Gene being like “after seeing that, I don’t wanna use the computer” is still not great modeling, but losing his computer privileges wasn’t bad modeling imho.
I’m really glad that Bobs Burgers has come a long way to be better and give us more queer characters
Fun fact: Tina (the older daughter) could be seen as trans if you wanted to, since in the pilot for the show she was a boy
transvestite /trăns-vĕs′tīt″, trănz-/
noun
A person who dresses in a style or manner traditionally associated with the opposite sex. A person who sometimes wears clothes traditionally worn by and associated with the opposite sex; typically a male who cross-dresses occasionally by habit or compulsion. Someone who adopts the dress or manner or sexual role of the opposite sex.
I think you're confused, Samantha. Transvestitism is the desire to present as the opposite gender, presumably without the sort of dysphoria that would cause someone to surgically alter their genitals. Transvestites still exist, they still dress up in women's clothing, and they're still fabulous. Just ask the wonderful Eddie Izzard.
Izzard is gender fluid and will switch between he or she pronouns and using the name Suzy Izzard when in “girl mode”
Ugh
@@GaryOPostle And yet, I've seen him on talk shows and doing comedy presenting as a man, while wearing makeup and "girl's" clothing. He may want to be called "Suzy" and be in "girl mode" in his mind, but he's making literally zero effort to present as female. It's certainly not "trans" in the way we use that word today. I used to know a guy who liked to wear skirts and fishnets and a bustier while sporting a thick, black beard. That behavior is really "nonbinary", imho. But that's the thing: all these terms are new, and unstable in common usage. Imo, it isn't that the old words are "wrong", it's just that we've reached a point where there are many behaviors that don't fit the old words. But, for instances where the old words still work, I think we can still use them.The word "transvestite" has a long-settled meaning as "a man who likes to wear women's clothing". Why can't we still use it that way?
@@gregmark1688 You said you saw him in makeup and wearing women’s clothes and also “not putting any effort into presenting as a woman”?
Gene ends up being very genderfluid-coded trhoughout the show, refering himself to a sister and a woman sometimes
i feel like they did really good in improving on their old very unfunny jokes
This was a great video samantha❤ I always loved these characters from bob's burgers.
I fuckin love bobs burgers. It's been my comfort show for years
I love Bob's burgers!
I can't stop thinking about the Family Guy episode where Brian has sex with a trans woman and when he finds out she was trans, he throws up for like two whole minutes. That grossed me out, among other things, and I've had a bad feeling about Seth McFarlane ever since. That was several years ago. It's possible the episode went on to show Brian learning and growing from the situation, but the puking part really turned my stomach. There are other things about Family Guy that turned me off of it too, but that's another story for another time.
I would love to see Samantha react to some later scenes with Marshmallow. She becomes a great character
The "Rocko's Modern Life: Static Cling" special that came out a few years ago made me cry. A great trans story. I highly recommend it (especially for us millennials)
From watching the show overall, I think Bob was banning Gene from the computer because Gene was looking at was implied to be sexual. Bob's views of sexuality and gender are very fluid. Bob probably was placing the ban because what Gene was viewing was sexual in general. The same response would probably be presented is it was heterosexual sex.
When I first saw this pop up on my feed I was worried bobs burgers would get it wrong. Good to hear they got it right, mostly at least for the time!
i'm a huge bob burgers fan and i totally agree with this video, i think the series itself it's actually quite accepting of the lgbt+ comunity but i think they didnt know how to positibly portrait that at the start, also gene is a really gender nonconforming kid (idk if i wrote that correctly english isnt my first lenguage) i always thought the joke about he searching for those kind of things on the computer where supposed to indicate a bit to that
CZcamsr Tyrone Magnus just made a video where he's upset that Easter and Transgender Day of Visibility are on the same day this year and thinks Transgender Day of Visibility is a new thing. Go spam his comments until he admits to his willful ignorance and deletes the video.
so many men, even in the way back when have been attracted to me like flies at a cookout or mosquitos in the woods
4:11 they said brutish (cuz toxic masculinity i dont think they were sex workers) but the one stated hes a married man so that one atleast is in drag
Marshmallow is an icon. Marshmallow does appear more in the show.
(Girl you're about to make me cry over a bobs burgers episode)
Linda supports Bob's bi curiousity a lot, Gene explores his gender a lot and Bob treats everyone the same
"a straight white guy, going out some trans women just for a good time... What gets better than that??" Asking the real questions on this channel😂
I just don't get it. Why don't people just leave us transgender people alone. We don't bother anyone so why bother us. I'm so afraid of coming out as a transgirl because of the haters. I just wanna live my life being happy and being myself. It just so frustrating
Eh, people are always going to be assholes.
It’s hard, but ignore those bitches as much as you can.
I so appreciate you covering this episode as a long time bobs burgers fan. I regularly skip that episode because even being cis I could tell how bigoted some of the jokes etc were. In the past I definitely went along with the transphobia that was normalized in the people around me. I absolutely love Marshmallow and I’m so happy that she is now casted more appropriately
The thing is that Jean is very transfem coded
I do notice a lot of the time, older shows that try to show a transgender character they get them confused with drag queens a lot.
Which that can be harmful as well because it still pushed the narrative that "trans women are still men"
Even as someone who is heavily in the LGBTQ+ community now.. it took me the majority of my childhood to figure out what exactly transgender people were because of those characters on shows I watched as a kid.
I'm just glad that, even with push back, some tv shows are trying to have a better representation of everyone in the LGBTQ+ community.
Does anyone remember that episode of Jerry springer where a trans woman came out to her boyfriend and he said he didn’t care and loved her no matter what? By far the most impressionable episode out there
In the movie To Wong Foo Thanks For Everything the character of Noxxema (a drag queen) describes a "Transvestite" as a cis man who dresses as a woman for sexual gratification. So that's how i've always understood it, as a kink. Of course it's an older movie so it might be wrong, and regardless the term is really outdated.
I feel like at least they tried and overall the message that everyone is together and included is good. There are some "jokes" that didn't age well. What I like about later inclusions of Marshmellow is that they don't focus on her transness and just let her exist as a normal person in the universe. Also, I will say at least the writers listen and make changes, so their representation gets better, as opposed to doubling down.
I’d say bobs burgers is actually pretty inclusive and I don’t think they meant any hate by this. I always just thought the women were having fun in this episode. Also marshmallow is a queen 👸
A transvestite is a term that was easily understood at the time to mean ‘crossdresser’. It wasn’t a pejorative it was just the accepted term.
bi king bob really said solidarity
I agree with your assessment, and I will say this early episode of Bob's Burgers was a bit hard to watch due to the stereotypes. Although, the writers, actors and creator of the show have learned to do better over time and have taken the time to listen to the community more. Recently, (and to reiterate what you said) they replaced the actor who originally voiced Marshmallow with a trans woman. Plus, it is STRONGLY implied that Gene is non-binary, and he comfortably uses different gender identities (for example, he doesn't mind the pronouns he or she, and he's also comfortable being called brother and/or sister; it's implied that he is bigender, even though he mostly does use the he/him pronouns). I feel like all the times I see Gene’s “egg cracking” is a nice Easter egg in and of itself, so to speak. I feel like the work that they've done on Bob's Burgers has shown significant progress, and I give them credit for learning from their mistakes (I'm trans/non-binary myself).
Happy Trans day of visibility ❤🤍💙
Bobs burgers is it's best when it's wholesome
I took the second scene with Fene differently, I don't think the punchline was that Gene might be attracted to a trans or gender-non-conforming person, but that Gene is a kid looking at porn on the family computer (which is why he's banned, and he's young so finding a porn site which probably has a lot of overwhelming stuff for a kid just growing into their sexuality which is why he was fine with it)
Hi Sam, I love your channel! You are really cool. I know you're pretty young, like gen z (I am an elder millennial) So maybe you haven't heard of this film, but I highly highly recommend you check out this awesome pioneering pro trans/drag/LGBTQIA movie called "To Wong Foo ... something or other" It's kind of a long, weird title but a GREAT film. That one scene in this Bob's episode with the 3 trans or drag queen ladies and the crack and all (which I agree was NOT so great) is actually a reference to that. Anyway Too Wong Foo came out in the early/mid 90s I think and it's not perfect of course but it's waaay ahead of it's time and as a film/ media girl I really think you would love it a lot! It's so funny, cute, and wholesome and a great story. Great cast too! (Patrick Swayze, John Leguizamo, Wesley Snipes, Rizzo from Grease etc) Anyway, it's awesome and you should definitely check it out. ALSO great sponsor for this one! Probably gonna get that wood lol. I definitely don't want to have a stinky car hahah! I appreciate you and your channel very much. Have a wonderful day!
I remember watching this episode not that many years ago and thinking parts of it was uncomfortable to watch (the parts that Samantha criticised). Now I understand why. Luckily my parents weren’t that vocally against trans people when I grew up, so I didn’t have much bigotry to unlearn when I started trying to understand trans people.
You should check out the gay Christmas episode. The song in it made me cry.
1:32 literally even the MOST “progressive” shows at the time like sex and the city or will and grace used trans people existence as punchlines 😢
Still gets the laughs in some places, in 2024 😒Meanwhile on terf/GC island(UK) trans maxing is the new buzzword they are using to stir up hate against trans women claim trans women are just incels who can't get a date with a woman so they are becoming the date themselves.
We need more to address rubbish like this going on now.