My Super Awesome ChainSaw Trick?????????????
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- čas přidán 16. 11. 2017
- Everybody seems to have a "super awesome chainsaw trick" on CZcams. Not sure if this qualifies or not - you be the judge.
The wood in this location and at this elevation is very hard. I did noticed some rattle in my chain while putting in the face. As mentioned, this chain was last used felling Redwoods on the coast the previous week and it's the first grind in the "inland configuration", so things are a little rough.
As stated, I'm using part of the face cut as a wedge to actually stop the tree, mid-flight, on it's way to the ground.
The objective of this maneuver is to allow me to gut all/most of the heart wood out while tree is standing and stationary. As you can see it works pretty good in this attempt.
A word of caution to all:
Not for the faint of heart or a Novice I imagine.
May lose the tree over sideways.
Tree may barberchair.
Better know your wood type and characteristics, and know it well!
Better have a good grasp on your skill set.
Might want to have your saw paid off and insurance up to date.
Not all operations on my channel are for all of those that would try. My suggestion is; if you think it's to dangerous for you to try, you are probably correct in the assessment. Hire a profession when in doubt.
I am currently available for port work If you are interested, please shoot me an email.
danger_cat@rocketmail.com
Thanks for watching. - Zábava
I don't do logging...we do big urban tree removals. Your videos are always very educational. You're providing a service and it's appreciated. Thank you very much. Be safe out there.
I love you tree cutting videos. Always entertaining! Great work!!
Jack is my favorite logger on YT. He’s also one of the best. Really want to send him some saws. Can’t imagine a 462 or 661 running like his do geez.
Bless you...
I appreciate your videos and your real life testimony.
Dude your awesome from one cutter to the next! Always good to learn from guys like u! We are blessed to be able to do what we do!
I've always wondered where you work. I'm right over in Lewiston. Love the videos!
Ol saw looks and sounds great! Enjoyed it jack.
Cool trick. I definitely won't be trying it anytime soon. Thanks for videos
Awesome job man! That’s a great technique to keep in an Arsenal
I think that qualifies as a guenin super awesome chainsaw trick and not clickbait! But from what I've seen it's not the only one up your sleeve. Sure was a beautiful view and a nice day.
Nice country! Keep on choppin’ em down Ol’ Chopper!!👍👍
God bless you too! Thank you for sharing. ;)
Impressive, learn something new everyday, gotta try this one
I’ve said it before but love the 064. Since you make a lot of work saws I was wondering what muffler mod/porting has been the best for the 064s you have done?
Thank you for all the videos I appreciate everything you say and teach to us who give a Damm your a beast and help me love my job more everyday..
Have you tried the tounge and groove felling cut yet for heavy leaners?
Good old hard butt mountain timber. Awesome job Jack.
Scott hi. Almost as much as my head, the hard part anyway.... Thanks for watching.
Great work beautiful day out in the woods 👍
Great job
Jack , I've been to La Grande about 25 times . The first time was in 1960 ! I know where MT Emily is, I've hunted there ,years ago ! I have friends in La Grande ,I really like that part of Oregon & the elk hunting was great ! If you spend enough time in that area it feels like Home to me ! Over the years I spent about 7 or 8 months in and around that area ! Oh , I live in Pa.on the same piece of ground I was born on ! Oh one more thing , I have a 133 & 143 & 166 Dolmars , no 2 , 143 s ! That 166 is a horse 50 " cannon bar ! I used it to trim packs of hardwood lumber !
Huck hi.
Back in the late 70's, my dad had a faller that ran a 42" on his 166. Gordon Benson was his name. I ran the 143, 133, or 045 depending on the wood size. Gordon started felling just as the old Mercury's were hitting the market, so he was a hand-filer. Never remember his chains cutting slow......
La Grande is a nice place with friendly people. A lot are on "50's" time around here as well.
Thanks for watching.
Great job bravo!
Nice to see that it stopped raining in Oregon. I'm out here now in Portland visiting from NY.
Man ... I need to move to Oregon ! 064 gettin her done
Awesome 😎
Great video. Super skill set..... I think I should wait until I get a little older before I try that one. Maybe next year when I turn 61.
You young guys all the same rushing and tearing around the place !!!!
Yes it is flat in Iowa! And he has that sweet Stihl saw
Thank you for sharing this information!
What brand of 2 cycle oil are you using?
Cristi Ro hi. Motul 800 2T. The off highway choice here.
Man ,your in paradise Oregon has
it all the mountains,ocean,forests waterfalls. How is it living there.
This also makes the tree jump away from the stump? Making it easier to skid?
Hey there. Fellow Oregonian here. I am on the west side. what were you doing when you were holding that piece of string and looking up the tree?
Jack. It seemed to me when u were cutting u were putting a lot more pressure on ur saw than you usually do. Is that dew to elevation or breaking in your new grind? Also why was ur saw idealing out when you weren't on the throttle?
Robert hi. I do not remember putting any extra pressure on the handle bars, probably a little tighter grip though. Both. The kill switch went out that morning. Having to shut it down with the choke right here. The last time it was used we were at around 100 feet above sea level, still dialing in the carb.. And, to its' credit, that is an early serial numbered saw with about 3 million boards under her belt. Thanks for watching.
amen!
Hi I have a couple of questions for you.
What would the difference be between timber grown at normal elavations and timber grown up high on a mountain?
And what would the diference be between coastal timber and inland timber? Is it more of a species separation or a wood density thing?
Thanks and greeting from Ottawa Ontario Canada from a young arborist fan
Curtis hi.
Nut shell: Usually the wood growing up high has more extreme condition to deal with. It will "grow tough" to combat the conditions. Part this the slow rate of growth which yields much tighter growth rings and thus density. Wind blasting the tree also has an effect. Some of it is the species differential also. I n my experience the more harsh the growing condition the tougher the wood is.
Thanks for watching.
Evening Jack, I have not tried this in this fashion - have used it by putting the "chunk" out at the edge of the face to roll the tree when I want the most branched side to land up for easy working ! Now If anyone is interested , it's not just Germans or Swedes that "Bore cut" it's the common way of falling here in Europe where most guys use "short" bars so giving the ability to use a for example 20" to fall a 4' tree.
Dave - it is a barber chairing situation if the wood is not right. Quite the disclaimer in the description area.....
Thanks for watching.
Beautiful view cant beat it! Can't believe you don't have much for snow yet. Its coming soon
Agreed! This was a few weeks back. There is now. Thanks for watching.
used to go elk hunting near there years ago.
Never seen that before but,....may come in handy someday
Mark hi. Not sure of your skill set. That is not a DIY homeowner type maneuver. Better KNOW you wood before attempting this one.
Thanks for watching.
Tamarack is my favorite smelling wood! Not to mention its about the best firewood imo.
Burns well for sure. Quite the difference in hardness from wet (green) to dry I noticed.
Madrone. You have to try it. Puts most other firewood ti shame.
Thanks for watching.
what is he doing with that line tool at 5:22 is he measuring the tree or something?
useing as a plumb line to gauge the l;ean .
That's one mean saw, you make it sing.
Leverage!
What type of axe do you use type and handle length. Thx for sharing your beautiful work site
Looks like a 4lb with a 36” handle. HB Arvika maybe. I’d also be interested to hear what it is and why he prefers it.
J A wont be an arvika as they are not YET available in the US.
Hello. Bacho 3.5lb head, 28" handle. Thanks for watching.
Victorious victor
Sure they are, all over the internet. $188 USD on Amazon right now.
Still a great video
I have a 038 magnum what's some things I can do to make it a little more aggressive? and how big of a bar can i run I live in the South east mostly hard wood.
Chris hi. Unless you know how to alter the port timing, not so much. There was a factory ported casing that would help a little. Other than that, a razor sharp chain always helps. Thanks for watching.
Ok thanks buddy would you be interested in making her mean? Do you special on her?
Licker!
064 love.
with a steady camera showing the tree, we would have actually been able to see what you describe afterwards :)
Still give it a thumbs up - because it is a neat trick and of course because it's you ;)
One of the craziest fellers I've known drove a VW bug to work in the 70s. Got stuck on a few pioneers roads, had to be winched out, but always made it home. That bug was a serious fire hazard. Always smelled of spilt 2 stroke. You could see the vapors coming out the windows on a hot day.
He was a slow starter, likely due to inhaling the fumes.
Bart hi. Thanks for chiming in here. I would not doubt it.
Your post brings back some good memories from my youth. We ( Cousin Gary & my brother - technically his car) used a ~ '77 civic to get to a job that was 2 hours out. 6 gallons of gas everyday, 3 gallons of oil and the spare in the back seat with pour bloke that was not driving or riding shotgun. The last 7 miles was on gravel. Once they bladed the road we had to back up the last hill. Punctured the gas tank one of the days on the way in. Parked it on site while we worked that day. Poured all the left over saw gas in and made it to the store at Dinsmore. I JB Welded the hole up in town that nite. We drove it the next day - and all the rest of the time on that unit. And that was after the '67 Nova we had. All the good antics were in that car.
Thanks for watching.
@@hotsaws101 My grandfather & father had a logging road construction company. I lived in logging camps every summer growing up, started working in the woods at 14. Setting chokers, bumping logs, cutting brush, operating a shovel daylight till dark 6 days a week taught me a good work ethic, gave me a strong constitution, and encouraged me to go to college, find a career in another line of work.
I still love to get out & cut my own firewood every season. The smell a dusty road, wood chips & 2-stroke still takes me back, makes me feel young.
-Stay mindful & safe out there, don't have to tell you why.
Trivia: Few people realize that many of the Forest Service campgrounds in the Pacific Northwest were built by loggers, for themselves and their families to live in, some year around. When they pulled out and moved on, all the Forest Service had to do was put up a sign & claim it for the public to enjoy, at no charge.
That practice pretty much ended in the 70s after God created the spotted owl.
The 064 is an awesome machine. To bad Stihl quit making them.
I used to use that same trick but I would just stick my boot heel in. You had to work out the timing carefully. Your way looked easier.
nice work on making the two cuts in that deep and dark humboldt match so nicely... I was wondering the same about gutting the hinge, and guessing you just use the wedge because its a little easier than gutting the hinge: saves fuel and thereby helps reduce global warming ;)
Quick question.. did you slide it through the other tree on purpose to reduce trimming... I'd put $5 on yes you did!
Daniel hi.
Hope the day is finding that all is well in your neck of the woods.
Yes, it works to gut the heartwood. It will usually be more "ac-u-rat" with the gutting process as well. The wedge has to be the right size, shape, and placed exactly perfect or the tree will veer off. Even with "perfect placement" of the pie piece, they will vector out due to 1/2 or an 1" more holding wood on either side at times. It's not something I do when there is only inches to spare in the shot. This tree went a little left in all honesty. Not too much though - maybe a foot or two. It did help neuter the next victim a fuzz which was part of the plan. But maybe not quite that close of a skinning.
Barberchair is a consideration with this type of trick also. So you better know your wood if a guy is going to try it....
I had a 3' p-pine on ridge actually come up tight and stop for a second one time.
This was just one of those videos that shows another way to skin the cat.
Thanks for watching.
@@hotsaws101 nice to have a million trick in the bag... you keep letting them trickle out.. appreciate that... I love the head game of tree work.. using creativity to find the fastest safest easiest way to get the tree on the ground... we don't care about log value, but have to be more careful of missed lays..
Always appreciate your vids and replies.. thanks for allowing us a little peak into your bag....
ps.. I never did figure out the back slip technique.. can you give us a hint??? PLEASE!!!
Daniel hi. Not anywhere near that number, but thanks. The back slipping operation can get a guy in between a rock and a hard place quick. That is a maneuver to
show a guy in person. There is a lot going on and it doesn't always work like you
want/need it to. Some tree killing exercises are better left a mystery, lest it be a
problem for someone.
@@hotsaws101 OK.. fair enough.....
that country up there is neat, I lived over the hill in Pendleton 8 years and worked in and around La Grande for different outfits in Pendleton. Nice mountain for and view for your office pard, hungry chain but nothin an insane-o saw cant handle, she'll come around to high country timber in a few grinds
It's definitely different than the coast. The wood seems to cut a little differently than over on the Fox Hill Road I noticed. This stump was pretty low as well - which did not help the process.... Thanks for watching.
So do you know Rick The Saul King he did one of my songs he's a pretty good guy I've been wanting to try to get Scotty I might have to send you one of my sauce
Where u from I’m in enterprise
Iv seen buckin do that
Buckin is an amazing faller... I myself love me a Buckin Billy Ray tutorial. I like Jack's videos because no only does he show his falling techniques but he also does side by side saw reviews. He explained the inner workings of the saws. What you can easily do to get a bit more oomph or he also works on viewers says for the insaine insaino port job. He is direct and to the point. And if he does something wrong no edit out I admits he is only human...
Thrse two old boys would be able to put some seriouse wood on the ground.
Victorious victor It'd be a pleasure to join either of these guys in the woods for a day you are darn lucky!
Dingus Dow both are extreamly good fallers....
I cannot believe he left a running chain saw in the cut of the tree while he walked away. Why? I hope people don’t think it’s cool and then try it.
I hope you are training someone. When God takes you, we will loose a lot of experience behind those hands!
I took Mr. Green out one day. Not sure if I was able to. I did make a huge mistake while he watched. Guess I showed him one thing not to do...
Thanks for watching.
Rakers seem a little low.spitting bricks much are we lol
Hello. I made mention in both the description area and verbally as to what was going on with the chain. Completely changed the grind form the previous weeks' cutting. Still not dialed in for this wood type and elevation, since this was the first day... Thanks for watching.
Timber cutters cardinal rule....don't brush up your next tree....god or no god!
Brock hi. Unless your the type that is allergic to poison oak and it is all around, or perhaps needing to be skinned off the bole of the "next tree". Or perhaps the next tree is in a bad spot and your springboard is still in the truck. Or perhaps there is a bees nest at the base of an up coming victim that needs to covered up . Those are just a few that happen on the left coast. Thanks for watching.
i dont get whats going on? what was the purpose?
Julian hi.
To stop/slow up the tree in flight so that all/most of the heart wood can be cut up. This is done on trees that are tough on the stump and are prone to pull a lot of wood from the butt when they lean quite a bit. Keeps the scaler "de-doc" to a minimum - which makes the landowner happy.
Thanks for watching.
He was showing how to make the tree fall where he wanted it to.
Good job. I'm surprised the liberal left wing tree huggers let you get away with that in Oregon. What do I know,I'm an old east coast country boy doing what I can to survive. Your right.. I'm truly blessed. God bless you sir.
Love your videos but that helmet cam makes me severely I'll. As much as I try, I just can't watch the ones where you use it.
J
Odd thought ... guessing chainsaws work as highly efficient, far acting bear repellent ... gas powered anyway
That is called a dutchman basically and a very bad practice, use a bore cut instead.
Tim hi. This is not, to my knowledge anyway, called a Dutchmen. A Dutchmen is used to steer a tree to the left or right by placing a portion of the face cut back into the open face on the side opposite that you need the tree to go. This can be the result of not being able to reach the front for some reason or the face was put it "off gun" from where it needs to go, and etc., etc. Some use the Dutchmen to attempt to roll the tree, or, prevent it from rolling as when you are dealing with added limb weight or/and blowing through tree/s that are limb heavy in the flight patch. Some use a Dutchmen in a swing scenario as well. The bore cut, if I understand what you actually mean, would leave a strap in the back to be cut at the very end to release the tree. This kind of tree, growing at the elevation that it is, is very tough and has a tendency pull wood from the back of the tree when the strap is "popped" or severed. The further ahead the tree leans the worse the wood pull in the back of the tree is. I plumbed this tree in the video to show just how far ahead the tilt was. Using your method would have netted an ugly butt log that most likely would have had a fair amount of "dedock" (deduction) once the scale--r started with his pencil, since there was not much taper on the backside.
What we see here is just another way to skin a cat. I devoted a fair amount of dialog in the description to the cons when attempting this particular maneuver. Guess that part was missed.
I wanted this tree to stop not long after the it started moving forward in order to get the majority the the heart wood gutted This makes sure there was minimal to no wood pull in the heart area. The reasoning; it is impossible to keep up with the getting the heart wood cut up/out when this size of tree is leaning that far forward.
Thanks for watching.
True technically a Dutchman is when the face cut has cut lines that leave shelves of wood intact in the V face, thus altering the fall direction. Your placing of a remnant bit of the V cutout in the face cut does the same thing. It is a dangerous practice, best to use a a bore cut instead. alternatively, you can use wedges in the back cut to push the direction of fall. Still better to use a bore cut with a good hinge.
Tim Kirkpatrick please explain how a bore cut is going to do anything in this situation...
Tim - here is what you get in this type of wood growing at these elevations when you use the "bore cut" - czcams.com/video/-Wgpn_xV0qc/video.html It did not matter so much on the big fir in the tagged vid since it was so swell butted. By the time the head rig would get the bole straightened out to cut boards it would have have the wood pull in the swell in the "chip pile". Because it is leaning so far head, trying that type of technique on the smaller fir tree in this video more than likely would have netted a similar wood pull situation. This tree was not so swell butted and probably would have wrecked the butt.
I'm a total bystander and just in awe of anyone able to compute the subtle differences in risk between methods for all the different trees you get to deal with everyday. This method scared the pants off me tho. My question (yes, from a european school of thought in case that wasn't obvious!) Is it not possible to borecut out all the heartwood with the tree standing and under control, by using a wider than usual front-sapwood hinge, and only risk pulling sapwood at the back?
Reading your explanation it appears you consider yourself an advanced skilled chainsaw worker ... so why don't you have any form of protection like chainsawpants ... too "uncool" for you ?
cfen matisse hi. I almost did not respond due to your "snidelyness". People, not just me, can smell the agenda. Unfortunately, you are as uneducated as boisterous. There is an option of chap inserts the go inside the jeans. They require the addition of snaps that the user can easily affix to the jeans and it is not expensive. The inserts don't get hung up on EVERY little twig, bush branch and fern root out there either - the reason some guys prefer them. Maybe a question, as apposed to the condemnation seen here, might get you further in this life.....
Blessing to you on this day.
hotsaws101 great answer thanks for educating 👍👍👍
I could only watch for less than one minute..another tree felling video poorly done!
How is it poorly done? Can you even explain your own judgement? What exactly about this makes it "poorly" done?
This isn't Hollywood... it's a guy walking around the woods with a chainsaw who is generous enough to bring a camera and give the rest of us a peek into his world..
You’re full of shit. This guy knows what he’s doing. Better than you ever will.
Visited his channel with a vid of him felling a tree. Bahahaha
@@davet9633 I now look back at the video you reference, I agree...lol
It's obvious I didn't know what I was doing...
You are probably well served to have less videos on your page than I do mine...js!
I admire and respect your falling skills, however I cannot understand your oblivion to the catastrophic environmental damage caused by the clear cut logging you facilitate. I gives me no hope for the future of this world or for the potential of homo sapiens.
Thank you.
The only large scale resource we use that regenerates itself. At least that I know of. There are 90 or 100 common everyday products that we all use.
Additionally, the best growing forests are 30 to 70 years old I.E. they suck up the most carbon dioxide while giving off the most oxygen.
Plus, most of us live in a wooden house, drive a vehicle, and use TP, and that's daily...
Just as soon as a person lives off the land, completely, they can start with the rock throwing. Until then, we are all part of the "process".
Thanks for watching.