Twelve O'Clock High S03E16 A Long Time Dead
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- Twelve O'Clock High is an American drama series set in World War II. This TV series originally broadcast on ABC-TV for two-and-one-half TV seasons from September 18, 1964, through January 13, 1967; was based on the motion picture Twelve O'Clock High (1949).
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I am tellin' ya, if you watch enough of these you'll know better than to sit by that passenger side window.
My friend's father was a bombardier on a B-17. He was a rather large kid and the crew used to joke that he would stop any 20mm coming in through the front.
I agree that on the show the copilot was the most dangerous place to be but in actuality it was the safest/ waist gunner and bombardier were the most dangerous in terms of deaths and injuries. This video towards the end gives a chart of survivability by position czcams.com/video/EU0phzPG5Yw/video.html That not withstanding 12 O'clock High always was and is my favorite show and Joe Gallegher my favorite commander/
Had an uncle that was a tale gunner on a B-17. He told about the time they crashed landed, plane was on fire and he forgot that his cigarettes were still in the tail section. He went back in, plane still on fire and got his cigarettes. He reflected on how stupid a 19 year old boy could be.
Nicotine is a powerful addiction.
Its like Barney Gumble in the Simpsons when Moe's Tavern catches fire
_Sees 2 people passed out from smoke inhalation_
Homer... Moe!
_Looks at kegs of beer being threatened by the flames_
*_AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, THE BOOZE_* !!!
My Dad intensely disliked Mark Harmons Father ( Tom Harmon) . We were watching a TV show starring Mark Harmon when my dad went off on Tom Harmon, after Pilot T. Harmon was the sole survivor of a bomber plane they made him a single seat fighter pilot, I guess because he was already famous before the war and didn’t want to make him look bad. Pissed my B-26 pilot Father off!! This rare WW2 story from my dad was paired with a time his planes landing gear was shot out & they made it back to their field ,my dad gave the crew a choice- be safe and jump out or stay as he was belly landing- the crew stayed with the plane & it ended well, saved the airplane & crew.
I love all episodes in co.or
Just love that opening scene with Peter Graves!! Reminds me of his later role in Airplane!!
And I'm replying as the "Peter Graves" who is still alive.
@@petergraves2085 Wow, must be a ghost we are all seeing these days....
He probably flew over Macho Grande too.
Mission: Impossible the TV series is what I remember him the most by, so I thought it was really neat to see him in this episode of Twelve O’ Clock High.
love this shows when I was little my dad and I watched it eating popcorn and drinking ice tea miss those days now my son love to watch it with me
Susan Thomps
This is awesome, intense from top to bottom.
Fine series during its prime run, enjoyed episodes then and now 📺 thank you for these....BCM'
Doc has been gone the last handful of episodes...glad to see him back.
Love this video keeps on you tube videos
@sMansGuitarsFunny that in the original movie Stovall only flew once and that was as a stowaway. No he’s flying regularly as a co-pilot!
Great series , I remember watching it when I was young
Peter Graves was an excellent actor who had a lot of great parts, but I think in a few hundred years if people still watch old films, he'll be remembered as the guy in the cockpit next to Kareem, and the "to the roar, har," guy..
That and the fact he led the Impossible Missions Force.
What deep and dark intro!
This was a really serious role for Graves, and I think he did a fantastic job. Good strong screenplay. Excellent acting by everyone, up and down the line. I think this episode stands up to any Season 1 episode.
@nhbasssguitar From serious tail gunner to perverted airline captain. They grow up so fast. 🥲
This is the second TV show where Anne Helm was paired as the love interest of Chris Robinson. First was "Cain's Hundred" 1962, "S1E22 "The New Order."
Anne Helm!
Your mission, Mr. Phelps, should you choose to accept it, is to find out what the hell was the real reason Robert Lansing got fired.
The way I read it was that Robert Lansing was only contracted for season 1.
@Maria Kelly As I said, it is what I read, that does not necessarily make it true, I was only 6 when it originally aired.
@@Shortsircut1 My bad.
Mr. Lansing
Had some disagreements
Mr. Quinn
Mr. Quinn felt.
That Mr. Lansing was to old for the part
The actor that replaced him
Was actually two years older
I hope he finally gets around to it!
Peter Graves was very convincing as a German/American POW in "Stalag 17" --a must-watch WWII classic. He also starred in a couple of cheesy sci-fi cult classics which were run (with ample comedic treatment) on MST3K.
Oh Yeah, I thought I'd seen him in a bomber jacket before.
He was better in Mission Impossible
He was in another 12 O clock high
Do you like gladiator movies?
@@alyssarieHe was? Which one?
This was a great show
Feeling quite nostalgic right now.
i whatched this when is a little boy. less than 10 . i miss those days
+Roger Duncan amen to that the good times in TV...
Yeah, me too. Sucks getting older doesn't it, lol
I started watching this about 2 months ago. I was a kid in the 60's. Watching "Combat and Rat Patrol ". That undersea Submarine series. Can't think of it right now. 2 Uncle's served in WW2. One was a Submariner, the other Army. I retired a 1SG of 23 years. I've been all over the world. 2 combat tour's to the big sandbox. I like this series. 😎
@@jstetzer01 Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea or, as Mad Magazine called it, 'Voyage to See What's On the Bottom'.
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Happy to see Peter Graves and Tom Skerritt. Two of my favorite actors.
One of the compensations of the switch over from Gen. Savage to Col. Gallagher is the increased appearances of Sgt. Sandy Kaminsky. He is good!
Over Rio Grande?
No..... I’ll never get over Rio Grande.......
We don’t see this kind of classic episodes any more today, do we?
If this was produced today the language would have been real salty. Couldn't play in prime time.
Roger Murdock:
We have clearance Clarence.
Captain Oveur:
Roger, Roger. What's our vector Victor?
Captain Oveur:
That's Clarence Oveur. Over.
That's about when my drinking problem started...
( _douses face in an awkward attempt to have a glass of water_ )
Doc came back
a really good series. luv the B-17s
I preferred the Black and white episodes.
I love this show!
Me to the Flyingfortress my love Great aircraft .
This series is from the mid 60's, I used to watch it as a teen living in N.Y. and my late father liked it a lot.
Tom Skerritt had quite a "military career:"
918th Bomb Group, WWII.
4077th MASH, Korea.
TOP GUN C.O.
That makes it about a 40-plus year career.
Plus a seriously PTSD grieved Vietnam vet cousin of Cheech Marin in Up In Smoke
Before he commanded Navy Top Gun School, he was a radioman on a B-17. Thank you Viper
Walk through a Fort B-17 or a Lanc ,maybe a B-25 ,B-24 ,You will understand WW-2 aircrew.
I was standing nearby a B25 at a Chino Air Show when they started the engines. Years later a B25 came to my town and I bought a ticket. Well worth it. Loud but thrilling ...thinking of the young men in them during WWII. God bless em all.
@@maureenorourke3292 Much of the 12 O' Clock High TV show was filmed at Chino.
Jim if you decide not to accept this mission..this tape will self destruct in5 secs lol
Great episode
Still like this show. Today first time I seen it was when it first came out 1963 ? Or 64
New show fall 1964.
Bộ phim này chiếu trên tv Mỹ cuối những năm 60, đã trên 50 năm, bộ phim hay.
“ If I hear anymore out of ya, I’m gonna take off these bars and knock out a couple of your teeth.” Classic…
Wow, an actually decent story line in the final season. You really weren't sure what to make of the captain, and Peter Graves did a great job playing him. It was a nice touch having the lovely Ann Helm playing a RCAF sergeant (she actually is Canadian). The only thing I considered unrealistic was Gallagher defying the General during the informal inquest. Had I ever done that to any of my GOs, I would have been handed my head once it was extracted from my butt.
I think officers back then were alot more informal with one another back then. Remember many Field grade officers were still in their mid to late twenties. The guy Gallagher that Paul Burke is maybe 30 and Dugan’s character maybe 40. With the expansion of the military back then most if these guys were not professional soldiers and many remained on a first name basis amongst the ranks. The British Army operated this way when I was working aside them in the 70s. The officer corps in the UK within those regiments was truly a brotherhood!
@@geodes4762 Yes, the Air Force is more informal than other services, but we still get handed our heads if we step too far out of line like this. It was true then and true now.
"And don't call me Shirley!"
OMG...I actually had to think about that.
pjzdreamz I don't think that's ? Leslie Nealson
pjzdreamz That was Peter Graves
jivesublime HAHAHAHAHA !
That's the first thing I thought. It was hard not to see it.
Too bad more episodes weren’t written as well as this one. A very interesting story line, great acting, and sticks to what happens within the missions and around the base and headquarters. Doc in a B17! The story resolves with Komansky and Dula’s meeting in the bomb bay and Komansky telling him he understood why the Captain baled him out. Then Gallagher has him take the pilot seat.
We don’t need to see anymore on this story. These guys were all fighting for each other.
The time is approaching fast that will make reminders
of the "old fashioned" honor and justice principles vital.
Principles that must remain basic to U.S. as Americans.
Principals that must be continually on displayed everywhere and especially in venues like "entertainment" programs like these from the past.
Get ready America. THIS generations 'Bumpy Ride' is just getting started.
Greatful Thanks to those who posted these episodes.
By the way "principals" belong in schools; the other "principles" pertain to values. LOL
Yea. Ya catched me. Capitol and Capital.
I watched these movies as a kid. Rode my bicycle to the airport that housed them. Loved roaming through them. They were surely a brave bunch to fly against those German defenses. God bless them all.
Peter Graves-- guess he chose to accept this mission without the help of his IM forces or having to worry about being disavowed if captured!!
And we're lucky the plane didn't self destruct, eh?
PETER GRAVES, was James Arness's
brother
Robert Payne not was...is
Recently learned they were of German/Norwegian heritage and both blond. James Arness hair was dyed brown for Gunsmoke series.
@@maureenorourke3292 Wow!
Poor Major Stovall, wasn't a flyer in the film, and got promoted to colonel. Never got there in the show after all these episodes.
He did in the series finale.
Frank Overton beautifully played a two star air force general in "Fail Safe" the year before taking on his role in "12 O'clock High".
Brian Dennehy played the role in George Clooney's TV remake.
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Outstanding episode. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
I've noticed the change in format the last few episodes. Less in the air more time on the ground, perhaps in an attempt to boost ratings to save the show. Maybe it just ran it's course but I think they should have stuck with what worked, or maybe bring Robert Lansing back to save it! Lol
Shooting in the b17 cockpit effect cost more money, budget cuts, final season, tail end really
I heard Robert Lansing didn't get along with Quinn Martin and he fired him
Your summation goes with the understood story of the series' fate. Appreciated, thank you.
Love watch show on you tube videos
Tom Skerritt? Wow! And a Canada girl! 🥰
They are all wonderful actors but peter graves take the cake here. Rip peter.
Seeing peter graves sitting in the pilots seat reminds me of him in the movie "airplane".😅
Then the Capt asked..."johnny..you like to watch gladiator movies"?
Kamansky... you ever been in, a Turkish prison?
Peter graves came to Australia to make the whiplash series probably just before the 12 o'clock high series
Have You Ever NOTICED, When Col. Savage’s Plane Gets Hit, It’s ALWAYS! On The Co-Pilot’s Side & Not His??
That's *Gen'l* Savage or *Col* Gallagher LOL
There is no Col Savage. have YOU noticed ????? wtf,,,duh n!!!! time to stop smoking crack and straighten out. period. Robert Lansing was General Frank Savage, season one. This is season 3, and Paul Burke is playing Colonel Joe Gallagher, so get it straight next time dumb ass.
@@altoncrane9714 don't get your panties all in a wad. Average folk know what he means.
Possibly a result of how that particular set was constructed. It would likely have been open on the left side for light and unobstructed camera view.
Just for the record kids...Sometimes it IS involuntary, but if you are dizzy, for whatever the reason...DON'T rattle your brains more by shaking your head.
It has NEVER been a good idea in My experience ! HAHAHAH . . .
@ 33:50 listen to the music come up. Sounds like Star Trek.
Because it is
25:31 It's tough when even Mustangs ans Spitfires are going after B-17s.
The B-17 pilots are at least 10 years older than they actually were
Good Episode.
In this episode at 35:11 as Col. Joe Gallagher sits at the desk it shows a name plate for T/SGT A. KOMANSKY but Sgt Komansky's first name is Sandy, someone screwed up.
Komansky's first name was Alexander. His nickname was Sandy.
Twelve O,clock High means from head on and directly above ,head on attack by enemy fighter aircraft...
PETER GRAVES, JAMES ARNESS' brother. I remember him from the original MISSION IMPOSSIBLE SERIES.
I remember him from "Fury", "Whiplash", and "Court Martial".
My uncle too was a tail gunner on..I thought he said B-24 and B-26...during the war he was brought back to Los Vegas to train people how to shoot the gun..I think the turret was directly in the tail of the plane...all can remember...and he told all of my family...
paul burke real good looking
Was
He looked Irish.
I thought Peter Graves was a straight up bad dude, expectations subverted.
The Dutchman , a villain ?? Peter Graves is too good looking to be twisted .
Peter Graves was Swedish-American.
Gene Roddenberry must have a fan of this show.
Liked it better when Robert Lansing was in it as savage, he looked part.
A2 jackets never had a bi swing back. The b3 jacket Kamanski wore in early episodes was a true surplus jacket.
I wonder if they checked the Captain for a brain tumor?
His problem was stress induced associative amnesia. If it were a brain tumor he would have had symptoms on the ground.
QM was a genius...remember wing command very well...12 oclock HIGH.....now those were the days...😉
AND THAT WAS WHEN ON A IMPOSSIBLE......
MISSION 😁
Holy shit it’s Viper!!!
I get a kick out of the bombers glass is always blasted out on the right of the airplane.
Peter Graves and Tom Skerritt in this one .....
1944 battle of Saint Lo my dad flew the fusion wagon as co-pilot and an officer has he lost his crew on that mission three of them made it out the pilot and co-pilot and the Navigator I believe it was they were hit with flack really hard and killed everybody I don't think any crew would have ever done anything like this everybody knew the risks and they knew do people die in combat
Many did, and yet they still did it, I think you mean more if people could be shown in advance how badly it plays out from safety they might loose their nerve, is just like natures law man, some people have to stick their neck out, risk the predators, end up as sacrificial lambs in a sense, the enemy get diverted, and the main objective of survival carries on in those overwhelming with numbers, less likely to die, the more you win
They left us hanging, and that sob, got away with it, what the hell! Or did i miss something.
I had the same thought as they showed the plane leaving the runway and credits rolling but after thinking about the whole episode, including Gen Britts hearing (with Doc Kaiser present) and Col. Gallagher interrogating, Capt. Dula eventually owned up to not knowing details of what happened. He admitted that happened on his second mission, the one where Maj Stovall and Gallagher both blacked out and the one where Master Sgt Komansky was baled out injured.
Dissociative amnesia happens with trauma can occur with war or serious accident. This is what happened with Capt Dula. And if you recall Maj Stovall and Col Gallagher both had head trauma and blacked out, with Gallagher’s being worse than Stovalls in the long run, since the major had physical wounds with his blackout and I think the doc did not call his medical problem a concussion. The writers were contrasting what can happen in combat, and Dulas was a continuing problem on all his missions. They leave it undone because Gallagher would find out.
If Dula pilots home OK then they have their answer; he was not a coward when he baled on his crew, the stress caused the blackout and then the irrational decision to leave the plane on autopilot and not issue a bailout order on mission 2.
I would not wish that type of survivor guilt on any WW2 aircrew member, but I’ll bet plenty had to deal with it. That’s why he volunteered to serve as navigator and not pilot.
I consider this one of the best episodes of the series.
After I finish the next one, I’ll have completed the series. I’m going to read the novel, and also complete reading 12 o’clock high, logbook.
I can still remember talking to an old vet at the 390th Memorial Museum in Tucson. He recounted how after only a few missions they all became so convinced of their impending demise, guys would consider surviving was due to, for example, a lucky charm or some ritual they did. Or, who was aboard with the crew, all sorts of things. I would think the trauma was as bad or probably worse than an infantry regiment getting shelled. The killing was so random.
God Bless all these heroes. Many did not come back, but those who did left a lot of themselves in the sky.
Mr. Phelps, your excuses here were laughable and down right FUNNY. A case of mission improbable
The library pictures are quite inappropriate sometimes just random aircraft as fighters some enemy clearly P51 and P47 . Neverless despite the slightly stilted stories it's still entertaining and they must have had a small budget too.
And dont call me Shirley
let viper does not have mustache. here.✈
JESTER'S DEAD!
Chris Robinson was under rated as an actor.
Chris Robinson thought he was the star of the show. He wasn't. Paul Burke, in spite of his mis-casting as Col. Gallagher, was. Also, Burke was part-owner of the show. I have a lot of sympathy for Paul Burke. For him, this is like what happened to George Lazenby. Burke once said in an interview that when he took over as the lead on TOH, he not only got hate mail from Robert Lansing's fans (which I'm sure he expected), he got hate mail from his OWN fans about the changeover (now that was cold!).
Totally, if Batman hadn't been such a campy show, I'd have really liked to see him as a serious, DC Dark Robin, he'd be perfect for that
Maria Kelly
Thank you for that note and for the generous hat tip to Paul Burke. Much appreciated.
@@AdmiralNelson1000You're welcome.
Col.Gallagher, do you like to watch movies,
about
gladiators?
Lansing was much better than this guy. Weird that the star of the season 2 and 3 was captain of the leper colony from the first shows.
True, but he grew up and matured by the end of that episode.
But paul did a good job also did mis savege but it was still a good show 👹🤓
Omg!did not know Tom Skerritt was a brunette.
I bet Sandy will get a warm welcome home from that pretty British Sargent. LOL
She was Canadian. Her shoulder patch, her first scene.
IdiotsBeware1 ;
Get off the crackpipe and pay some attention or shut up, she was Canadian you fool.
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Tom Skeritt's method acting is very awkward here.
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why does sandy always use a bomber jacket and most everyone else wears regular A2 army jackets?
Because it looks cool, and the A2 jacket was originally issued only to officers (that changed in 1942). The pilots sometimes wore them to improve movement, plus they had a cabin heater to offset some of the cold. Pilots and crews also wore the B3 fleece-lined bomber jackets and everyone had access to heated flight suits. The waist gunners in particular were exposed to outside air until the G model enclosed everything. By 1944 crews were wearing helmets and body armor. Above 10,000 ft everyone went on oxygen. The noise of the engines would have been deafening, but realistically accounting for all these factors would have made the dialogue unintelligible and the actors unrecognizable. Hollywood wants to promote its actors, not bury them under clothing and equipment, so realism takes a backseat.
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shoulda just inflated otto pilot
This was a 60s chick flick tv show a soap opera.
What the packagers wanted at the time, to widen the audience base as much as possible. This was necessary when each hour was compelled to deliver a minimum of 30% of the MASS audience (not a specialty audience like today) . Quinn Martin also had a big stable of performers to make use of in his TV shows. Thus all the "emoting".
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no oxygen masks! b17s flew 25,000ft on average, oxygen needed above 8000. Hollywood realism in action here!
Robert Lansing was pulled because he was hard to work with
WRONG! According to The Twelve O'Clock High Logbook, ABC network told Quinn Martin that Twelve O'Clock High would only be renewed for a second season on the condition that Robert Lansing be replaced. This decision was very unpopular with the show's fans. I don't think that ABC and Quinn Martin expected there to be such a backlash from the fans.
As noted, it would be great to have the WHOLE story of season one. Old news reports deliver the news of a show very troubled by low audience ratings --- that is, lack of general audience acceptance; and by inconsistent support from older viewers most acquainted with WW2. Add budget issues to all this.
Contradictory reports of the time show an audience for Lansing but not for the General. The General flying missions bothered veterans. "Combat!" was enlisted soldier driven and was judged to have more popular acceptance for that reason. Surveys suggested that the wider audience didn't relate to officer driven shows.
We may not expect the actual problems between ABC, QM and Lansing to perhaps ever really come out. Left out of the debate curiously is a key player, 20th Fox.
ABC really wanted to save the show and an extensive amount of reconsideration and retooling went into preparing season 2.
Much had to be done to introduce the show to a 730 time period, one not often "home" to shows that don't offer "emotional hooks" of some kind.
@@mariakelly90210 That's correct. Apparently the ABC execs, for whatever reason, believed Lansing lacked sex appeal and looked "too old" to be relatable to TV show fans. Major blunder.
@@mariakelly90210 Whoever made that decision at ABC should have been FIRED. Lansing WAS General Savage. Lansing talks about his firing on an old Mike Douglas Show here on you tube in which he was a guest.
Quinn Martin fired Lansing for being difficult to work with and not showing enough respect to Martin. Martin made up the story about ABC wanting a younger lead for the new earlier hour of the show to disguise the real reason - which would have made Lansing look bad and might have made Martin appear unsympathetic. ABC didn't want Lansing fired, but agreed to it when Martin said he would replace Lansing with Paul Burke ( a two time Emmy nominee for playing Adam Flint on "Naked City".)
Martin later felt he had made a big mistake in firing Lansing. Martin told TV Guide he had originally offered Lansing the lead in "The Fugitive", which started the previous season. But Lansing turned it down. But this was almost certainly all part of the misinformation Martin was putting out at the time of the firing to avoid disclosing the real reason. Martin also said that ABC wanted him to find a new series for Lansing but for a series at a later hour. Again more PR to avoid the truth.
Neither Lansing nor Burke ever worked for Quinn Martin again after "12 O'Clock High", although many of Martin's former leads worked again for Martin after their series ended including Robert Stack, Leslie Nielsen, David Janssen, Roy Thinnes, and William Conrad. Some of this was reported in the book "Quinn Martin, Producer".
Its a bit camp and a soap opera with a war background, totally far fetched. A 40 year old bomber pilot (should be under 30) decides to throw out a wounded airmen with a parachute from his B-17 because he has a letter from another aircrew member who is a POW that the pilot killed his former crew? Total bullshit.
+Michael Edelstein First, I agree. The stories and presentation have lost a lot in the second and third season. It's a shame. BUT ! We ARE dealing with Hollyweard and they always do as they damn well please ! Q : Who told you that Mr. Graves' charactor was 40 ? I know that Lansing (1928) was younger than Burke (July 1925) who was younger than Graves (March 1925). AND of course Savage (Nov 1911) was older that Gallagher (Aug. 1918) if I remember right from back-story articles and the book. . . . So Ya Know, according to an uncle of mine who was a radioman on one of these birds (and retired Air Force), that scenario ISN'T so far fetched. Also, pilots were in Great demand at that time. Anyone who was already one of the rare, experienced professional civilian, Army or Navy pilots could get an age waver if they passed the physical. They still had to survive the training and do well on their first combat missions without raising any red flags, just like the younger guys.
@@terryrussel523 Very true. An exampled is the fact that Major Stovall was permitted to fly again.
@@dindinprivate3477 In the movie he was a desk jockey and was never a pilot.
@@lancomedic True but in this series he retrained and got an age waiver after his only son went MIA.
I think some who watched this missed the point of the story. You may not believe in PTSD.
Absolutely pathetic ending.