Dagger Code Review
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From Dagger: "Dagger’s latest creation is a fusion of the ever-popular Mamba model and super speedster, the Phantom. Charging ahead for all skill levels of paddler, the modern semi-planing hull offers high performance without sacrificing stability, while the high-rockered design delivers immediate feedback to keep you fully locked in for dialing in those sweet lines. Available in SM, MD, and LG sizes with Dagger's class-leading ContourErgo Outfitting. With a size for everyone from aspiring to advanced, the Code becomes the pillar of the Dagger whitewater line."
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Glad to hear another shining review of the code. I was lucky enough to snag a code and rewind within a few weeks of each other. Wow!! What a world of difference it’s been paddling daggers. Having spent my 1st year paddling a LL remix I can appreciate what it offers a beginner but the daggers are an upgrade on every level. The great outfitting and not overly aggressive chines have made me feel “a new level of confidence and power”. Hope that confidence translates to higher skills. Keep up the good work of spreading the joy of paddling.
Thanks for the kind words! Glad to hear confirmation that it is working for beginners and intermediates
Sounds like Dagger nailed what Dagger does, which is the best all-around boat in category. Per your intro, just my 2cents, don't give in to pressure to rush these (not saying you did here, and I totally get the Dagger/general boat market issues that are limiting you). Either way, your method of having adequate seat time is appreciated. That said, branching into sub-reviews and brand line-up comparisons is great way to cover related topics.
Thanks for the feedback Todd! No plans to change what I am doing other than pushing for constant improvement. That includes not watching what others are putting out until after my video is uploaded. I do however hear a lot that people want to see my review prior to making a purchase and strive to make that possible. I think to the Z3 where I was literally the second person to paddle the first one off the production mold, and that really helped people make the choice early in their release.
I’ve been paddling a Code since July. I had been paddling a Machno the past two seasons. The Code has a mind of its own compared to the Machno. The boat is more in control of its behavior than I am at times. Your explanation is invaluable in my understanding the Code. I consider myself an advanced beginner.
What boat would you rather you'd been put in 2 years ago? Did the Machno give you the foundation to handle the pop of the Code or would it have been okay for you then?
@@AlexBarham I started in the older Nomad 8.5 , did that for a season and half, bought the Machno medium ( based on favorable reviews such as yours), that boat taught me a lot and took good care of me , this season ( my third) I checked out the Scorch, realized it was too much boat for me, I’m not at that paddling level, the Code was available locally so I bought it on impulse, the Code is perfect for where I am now , it’s challenging and capable going forward…. The answer to your reply is the Machno was a better learning boat for me . I still paddle it and enjoy it.
Thanks for the feedback!
Can you explain a little more ab what you mean when you say the Code has a mind of its own? Are you having a hard time getting it to do what you want? Is it getting off line? Is it hard to get back on line? My wife is paddling my Machno (when she isn’t paddling her Antix 2.0, which she adores), and I’m thinking she might benefit from a Code instead of the Machno. Thx.
Might be your best video yet, boat looks sick! Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts.
Thanks Josh!
I do love a hard edged boat in pushy deep water more than anything, but I also bought a Code because if we as Coloradans are being honest... at home we have the mank. Still figuring out those super feathery bow draws, and I haven't really been able to put it to the test in hard water yet, but this inspired review makes me stoked to go run the rocky shallow stouts in the Code
I would recommend anticipating and trying to stay ahead of the boat rather than waiting and reacting. When I first demo a boat I typically give it a loose leash and see what it will do. That was a bit rowdy with the Code. Once I took control and started directing it the little bow wiggles started always working to my favor.
@@AlexBarham yo man I’ve been able to paddle some harder stuff in the SE lately and the Code is killing it. I put the seat back about an inch based on some other boaters recommendations, and the banana shape of the full body rocker really comes into play. The tail rides out with pure joy, it boofs and slaps and lays super fatty treats, the edges are magic when you either really need them or don’t want them at all, the thing is just a beast. I was kind of miffed when I got into this thing because at first I wished it had harder edges but now that I’ve got it figured out it just destroys. A unique personality like you say, super high performance and somehow it feels lighter now than it did before. Favorite boat ever.
Awesome! Glad to hear you put the time in instead of just selling it and being frustrated
Thank you for the insights and details. It reminds me a little of the Wave Sport Phoenix that pushes the cockpit back to get a shorter tail, but paddles better. I think the only real competition comes from Pyranha and I give this an edge.
Haven't had access to a Pheonix, but it looks super funky. I think that you'll be surprised to feel the Code acting like it looks like a Phoenix, but find it doesn't have the obvious drawbacks that you'd associate with such an aggressive design.
The Scorch is also an amazing boat, but the sizing is a bit wonky. I wish they would invest in a M/L
I saw a palm van with 2 codes on the roof yesterday. They're probably the only codes in the UK
Sat in one on the shop floor in Ireland, I was told 5 had made it this side of the pond so far, 2 in Ireland, 2 to England and one elsewhere
I know Snowy has been in the UK paddling a prototype that was kicking around. That may have been what you saw.
Above and below have a few I think
Hoping you get a chance to review the Jackson Flow.
Hey Alex, another great review, thanks for that! Doesn't Hannah wanna do the review of Code Small? :) I am paddling Dagger Axiom, waiting to exchange it for Rewind, and my creek boat is currently Spade Queen of Hearts. And from how you have described Code, it looks very similar to my feelings of the Queen. So I was wondering what the S size would be like.
Thanks! We do want to get a small Code review out for female paddlers, but we do not have access to one. If that is something you want to see try shooting Dagger an email and let them know.
Hannah just bought an Antix 2.0 Small to replace her Axiom. The Antix is much more similar to the Axiom than the Rewind.
Ugh fine, I’ll buy one then
Bahahaha
Hi Alex! Really like your reviews, great job! I would have one question: Dagger Code vs Zet Cross? I see you have quite good impression about both, price tag seems to be quite close…as beginner/intermediate paddler I would like to learn and improve confidence, but comfort is also top prio on my list (so out fitting is also super important if I am sitting in for 5-6hours). I would not paddle big volume waters, just what we have in Europe in Alps and so. Thanks for recommendation! Cheers from Hungary! P.s. Demo them is kinda impossible here around.
This might end up being my new creek boat to get back in the water this coming spring. The Mamba has a small crack (leaking pretty bad though) in the worst place possible (seat area, will crack again and again) and the Nomads outfitting is falling apart.
Drop both boats at the house and I'll get the outfitting swapped and recycle the Mamba hull. I would absolutely say that the Code is the best match to the Moose I have ever seen.
Code is on my short list, was looking for an all arounder, after watching many reviews on the boat, i decided to get one soon, as "L" has been hard to find, tried about 16 boats this year from old school to new, picked up a used WS Diesel, to hold me over until I can find one locally.
I would talk with your local retailer and maybe put a deposit down to lock one in. They are going to fly off the rack again next year based on the current supply and demand across the market.
@@AlexBarham already done 👍
Great review, Alex. My primary ride since starting to kayak has been the Diesel 80 which has lots of chines. I'm a bit nervous about having to "re-learn" with the semi-displacement hull...but I'm also very interested to find out how differently the Code will react when running over rocks (the Diesel seems to stick to them like glue, which really sucks on sections like the upper Nantahala at 350cfs). I'm 5'7", +/- 195lbs, and recently got in a medium at a pool roll session with my local club. I was skeptical before getting in it because it's compared to the Mamba and I hated that boat when I got to try it because I felt like I was in a barge. The Code fit like a glove. I couldn't believe how stable it felt way on edge. The speed easily out-performed my Diesel and it is so easy to roll. Thinking it might be time to sell the Diesel and move on to a ride that will hopefully improve my performance as I move up to goals like the Tellico and hopefully someday, Wilson Creek.
Give it an on water demo, but I could see the Code fitting the bill nicely. If you want something closer to what you're used to maybe a Nirvana?
Hey Alex! Thanks for all the reviews! Keep 'em coming! Quick question about weight ranges... I'm between sizes- 190 lbs naked, leaning towards a large. What do you think? How much do you weight? You paddle the Large right? Thanks!
I'm always around 200 in the summer and I would suggest the large. I am a big believer in paddling at the bottom of the boat's range instead of the top, even if it means getting stronger or improving your technique.
A great review. Thank you
Thanks Kevin!
Alex! Noob paddler here, probably be padding class II-III’s for a while. Would you still recommend this boat? There are so many boats out there it’s exhausting. Side question, I’m 5’8” 150 lbs, would you recommend a small or medium? Thanks for posting your vlogs, always super informative!
Yes the Code is still a top choice for beginners along with the Gnarvana. In both cases I would say if you have the strength go for the medium. With dry gear you may find yourself too heavy for the smalls
@@AlexBarham Thanks Duder!
@magicalxunicxorn no problem. Leave a comment any time you have a question
Alex, what are you thought on the Jackson Flow vs the Code as a beginner boat? Thx
I think both are good places to start. Demo both if you can. If not the Dagger is going to last longer
Hi Alex.
I’m an advanced paddler who doesn’t like to paddle the extrêmes. I feel comfortable in 3-4 rapids in my Machno, which I have had for 3 years now. Is it worth going to the code? Will the boat be faster than the machno? I’m 6 4, 200 pounds. Think I would benefite with the large code?
Your reviews ARE the BEST on the web. Really appreciate every review you make!
You'll find the Code to be faster, more aggressive, and more responsive. The Machno is still an awesome boat so you'd be happy whether you jumped in a Code today, or wore the Machno out first.
@@AlexBarham Thanks. My local shop has the large paintball version. Ugly as heck! Going to check it out tomorrow. 😎
Thank you for this review, looks HOT!
It is going to match up really well with the rivers in our region. Worth a demo!
Hey. Great review. I've been paddling a Mamba 8.1 for about 3 years. I'm thinking bout getting a Code. What would the transition be like going from a Mamba to a Code? Great videos btw.
You're going to find the Code is faster, easier to turn, and better all around
Hi Alex, I am considering pulling the trigger on the Code after having seen all the review videos. I have a question on this: Does it hold a ferry angle well in pushy water? I had a Habitat many yrs back and one major drawback that I noticed was that it would not hold a ferry angle when I most needed it to. I know it had a pronounced rocker for its day. Hope the Code has that sorted out.
Thanks v much!
The lack of rocker is a whole different issue when compared with modern designs. The issue you're describing is why the Habitat never really took off - it had no chines. The Code does have the ability to dig in and perform in those situations.
Comparisons to a Machno?
Higher performance version essentially. Faster, tracks better, seems to boof better
Alex Barham Thanks!
Sure thing! More to come giving rhe pros and cons
Thanks for all your videos!
How does the new Code compare to the Mamba? I am a beginner/intermediate paddler in class 2/3 and my Mamba 8.1 is starting to feel a little clunky and like it gets thrown around a lot and I don’t have as much control as I would like. Any thoughts on switching to the Code?
The Code will be the answer to the clunky and underwhelming feelings, but still be a very familiar platform for a quick transition. I would absolutely recommend making the upgrade.
I paddled a Mamba for the last 15 years or so. Bought the Code to run the Grand Canyon, as the Mamba was finally broken beyond fixing. The Code is better than the Mamba, a lot better. The Code turned out to be a great big water boat - it went up and over everything, punched holes, side surfed, rolled easy.....
Thanks for the input Kenneth!
The sizing is confusing. I am at the top end of the small Code (68kg) but I have previously paddled a medium Burn 3 which was a good size for me. The medium Burn is smaller in volume than the small Code - 268l vs 280l. The medium Burn has the paddler range at 50kg - 90kg and the small Code at 45kg - 73kg. I know there is no exact science to these ranges but given I was comfortable in the medium Burn that would lead me to the small Code. The medium Code is big at 337l. I guess trying both would be the idea but most demo boats seem to be the medium. Any thoughts on this comparison?
czcams.com/video/DTWsfp0w0Zk/video.html
Hey, Alex nice video. How do you compare the Code to to the Zet Cross
The Cross is going to keep itself flatter and blast through features, easier to drive really hard on big water because of the slalom inspired design. It will require the paddler to properly edge and work the design features. The Code will be a bit more responsive, but also show a bit more "personality" in the way it pops and comes out of features looking for input rather than just blasting out like the Cross
With the edges being softer than other creekers, does it make the secondary stability not as stable as say something like the gnarvana?
Good question, but no. Because there is so much volume high above the water line the secondary stability is very strong
Alex, how does the large compare to the LL Alpha 90? Curious what your thoughts are. I'm thinking of trading in for the Code, but of course demos are hard to come by. Thanks for all the thoughtful reviews!
The Code paddles much bigger, drier, and with less twitch than the Alpha. The Alpha expects a lot more from it's paddler, whereas the Code is trying to be helpful. I think you will see the most differences in the stern. The Code boofs more easily with the short stern I think
Great review Alex. I'm a beginner and I want to buy my first whitewater kayak. It will be a Code Large. I'm 210 pounds and 6 feet tall. I have a question about outfitting - we have two versions: the cheaper Action+ and the more expensive Creek. Is the Creek worth the extra cost or would prefer to buy the cheaper one and invest the rest in additional gear. I will be riding max WW II - III. Thanks a lot
Get the real thing. The other version isn't meant to go outside of artifical courses and such. A boat with proper outfitting will last a long time and resell well if you choose. You'll have a hard time getting rod of a damaged boat with inadequate outfitting
@@AlexBarham Thank you Alex. I was confused because a lot of people told me that it is unnecessary to have Creek outfitting for a beginner.
@KjubaM I don't know why anyone would say that. You won't be a beginner for long, and the Code is something that you'll still be able to really enjoy as an advanced paddler if it lasts that long. Almost no chance it makes it without proper outfitting. My head is exploding
At 147 I’m big for the small but am I too big for a medium? Coming out of a small Machno
Absolutely not Christine. You'll be on the low end, but it will be manageable with technique
@@AlexBarham thanks hah I meant too small lol
I know a female paddler loving the M Code at 145. Looks to float her well for someone who likes to have the extra volume
When you say it’s loose would you say it’s loose like a nomad or braaap? Those tend to spin out and feel like they are on ball bearings or does a code hold a line a little better than those. I own a rewind and love it but I’m needing a creeker. Great review btw!
If you're digging the Rewind you'll be right at home in the Code. Certainly not a nomad
@@AlexBarham thanks! If I can find one I’ll get some seat time. Yeah the rewind is my all time favorite boat and I’ve paddled just about all the half slices on the market
Enjoy it!
Rome, your description of the nomad and braaap (“tend to spin out and feel like they are on ball bearings”) reminds me a lot of my experience with the Alpha 75, and sums up why I sold it. Those soft rails can come in handy (rock slides, cross currents), but I just couldn’t get used to it. Felt like I was a bobber in the water. 🤷🏼♂️
I paddled a Rewind once and felt a little of that, but then got used to it quickly and thought it struck a nice balance between some edge but still forgiving. Seems like Code might do the same.
One thing I would say about both of these designs is that perfect trim is crucial. If you aren't sitting in the right spot so that the boat is properly balanced the rocker profile starts working against you. Unfortunately I think many people get some parking lot advice like "Oh just slam the seat back" and then completely ruin the boat's performance. The large nomad for example seems to have to be paddled with the seat bolt at the front pillar connection 3/4 to the front of the boat with the foot block as far back as you can stand it. I hopped into my beater Nomad a few weeks ago and when I loaned it out someone messed with the seat. Unusable!
White the momba gone, whats the boat to look for thats close to it?
I'd look at the Machno, Code, and Toro
Would you care to compare the OG vs the code? I paddle an OG but am thinking I may be better suited for a Md code.
Well there is nearly a 20 gallon difference so it isn't even about design as size between a medium code and an OG.
Difference between the LG and the OG would come down to chines. That rail to rail grab you get in an OG is going to be softer in the Code as well as a more dynamic feel.
Alex, excellent review, thanks for it. I ordered Dagger Code as soon as the first reviews came out and I hope it will come to Europe and the Czech Republic soon. So far Dagger is not delivering Code to Europe :-/. Anyway, your review makes me impatient for the new boat :-). One thing I'm wondering is if you know how it is with the foot space at the mirror, if there is more of it than at Rewind, where my feet can hardly fit. Thanks
Your primary statement is incorrect, unless you are counting the UK as not part of Europe.
@@joeryan6863 Well, this topic is a bit more complicated than that. It depends whether you take it politically ( UK left Europe ), geographically ( UK is an island not continental ), geologically ( island but part of the lithographic European plate )... From my point of view if I look at it through the commodity as a trade commodity, the UK is not part of the single European market, so technically the Dagger Code is not in Europe... :-)
The Rewind has a narrower hull, and a lower deck than the Code. There will be ample foot room for you.
@@6vegan6 a few in Ireland, which is part of the EU. I believe they were only brought over for a show and left here or something to that effect
@@shanemurphy35 Yeah, it's possible for the show... If it's possible to get a link to a shop in Ireland where Code L River is in stock, I'd be grateful ;-)... So far it looks like the first pieces will arrive in Germany and therefore the Czech Republic at the end of March and the beginning of April. Hopefully....
I know it's not a perfect comparison but realistically how much different does the code perform compared to the phantom? You kinda touched on it but it seems sharper but slower, anything stand out right away that made you like it more or hate it more than a phantom?
I'm going to do a more in depth comparison shortly
@@AlexBarham sweet, I'll keep an eye out for it
Hopefully next week. I'd like to be able to pull old footage
I’ve paddled both pretty extensively as someone on the high end of the weight range. (275lbs) I will say that for me personally the Large code performs a hell of a lot better than the Phantom. Partly because at my weight it starts getting bogged down and loses performance. It only coming in one size really limits the larger paddlers. I personally like the feel of the edges on the phantom better but that’s because I’m generally not someone who chooses a displacement hull boat. However I will say that the despite the Code’s edges being softer and more forgiving, there is plenty there for me to still be able to dig in and use them while remaining far more forgiving.
Here's that comparison: czcams.com/video/GOy1EHW19vM/video.html
great video.I just got me a code. any suggestions on seat placement for trim?. Peace out.
I run mine stock
Me too.. I moved it a couple times didnt notice much diff. thanks@@AlexBarham
Sure thing! @@EastCoastKayak-ww9eo
Which boat do you recommend? It will be my first boat. code, scorch or gnarvana?? thanks
The Code will be the most forgiving and has the best safety features.
Ok you convinced me - i’m trying to decide between the Medium and the Large - im 180lbs and upper intermediate or so. I would normally just paddle one but no stock means I won’t get a chance - I have a medium on order but can’t decide if I should swap to Large… any thoughts?
The medium will have plenty of volume for you at 180. The large is going to need a good amount of strength for most people at 190.
Awesome thanks for the help
@@buzzramsey My pleasure!
Is surfing waves with Code easy? I love running rapids my Nomad but surfing isn't one of its stregths.
This is a creeker. They really aren't designed to surf. If that is a requirement for you then look towards the Nirvana
What do you mean with highest performance semi displacement ??
This is a very simple, but broad question so I will try to answer it in the simplest terms:
- Displacement means a rounded hull profile, or not a flat like a surfboard on the bottom.
- By high performance I mean the most speed, agility, ability to jump over waves and rocks, and effortless boofs
How is primary and secondary stability ? and can it surf small waves ?
Very stable edge to edge, but dynamic end to end as described. Creekers are not great for surfing, but yes, the planing hull does well on small waves.
Any comparison to a pyranha Stretch ? From a few years back
No, there really is no comparison. This is a whole new animal.
@@AlexBarham that's good to know
Welcome to the future!
Bro I’m between a code or scorch. I’m new in east coast and I want to get a new boat . ! What do u recommend ? Just to know
Personally for east coast boating I would want something durable which acts consistently across a large range of flows and can rock bounce consistently. That all points towards the Code
@@AlexBarham oh, I'm very confused ! I was almost certain to buy the Scorch because I can do some great ferries with this boat. I tried a small Code and I was not comfortable, I must try a Medium to know if I like it or not. Anyway, I was almost certain to go for the SCorch and now I have doubts haha. West Virginia is east coast too? Thanks for your videos, I learned too much with you man!
Lol WV is definitely the east coast
@@AlexBarham haha sorry for the stupid question. Im new in US , Im living in Virginia
better than a zen 3? scortch? My wife is a class 3 paddler in a full slice, she has never paddled anything else. I want to get her something that can maneuver really well, and make her feel safe on some class 4
Hmm well coming from a full slice is an odd one. I would actually suggest a Nirvana since she must be comfy on her edges and would probably prefer a planing hull.
Hi Alex. Are you able to compare it to Wavesport Phoenix?
Nope. Never even seen one in person. If you want me to review one then you could shoot Wavesport an email and tell them what it would mean to you for me to have a review out.
I've tried Phoenix and I honestly don't think it's a completely good boad. The cockpit is positioned too far back and is so weirdly balanced, slow to turn, and even though it has a good rocker it's quite hard to keep the tip up and make a good boof because it's heavy and long. In the end I stuck with my Wavesport Recon and am waiting for Dagger Code as a river boat and Rewind as a "slalom course" boat.
@@6vegan6 First of all the Zet Chili would be my course boat!
The Pheonix was started in the USA and was in the proto stage when the brand was sold and the entire company was basically put in a crate and shipped to the UK. I think that would present some real challenges
@@AlexBarham Yeah the Zet Chilli is a great boat up to 75kg, but for my approx 100kg and 195cm it's more of a submarine 😁😆
I've seen the large size prototype. Lots to be excited about when it drops next year
A Kayak does not need a lot of rocker to drive over a hole. A Kayak with less rocker will also drive over a hole but in a smaller angle. Rocker shortens the waterline and a shorter Kayak like a Playboat goes over a hole on a greater climbing angle. But sometimes, especially on big holes to much rocker can slow the kayak to much. Kayaking over a hole in 45° degree angle can stop the kayak so much that it will not make it over and falls back into the hole. There could be a bigger chance with a longer waterline, more pointed bow, not so voluminous to pierce through a hole in smaller angle then to go over on a bigger angle.
But in general bigger holes are rare and can often be bypassed so that's probably why today's boats have more rocker.
You're making an argument to basically go back 10 years in boat design. If that's what you want to paddle that's cool, but not a popular opinion, and not where you'll see boat design heading into the future
@@AlexBarham No, i did not write that i want to paddle a 10 year old kayak. But what i dont like is that the manufacturers put always more rocker into their kayaks. Maybe they think oh rocker sells so let us put more into the kayaks. I'm sure that at some point a kayak will come out with too much rocker and without considering other handling characteristics. Do you remember when the kayaks became shorter and shorter and Pyranha had a creeker, the ammo with 207cm for the S and 219 cm for the M version And what happend? The boats got longer and longer. Who will buy a 220 cm creeker now a day? I have Burn3 M and and a Alpha 75. With the Burn i can float diagonally through a rapid and make last moment adjustments. With the alpha i found myself several times backwards, had to turn or finish the rapid backwards. The alpha turns so fucking easy and quickly, i dont wish more rocker! It is already sketchy.
What you're describing is a style of paddling that has gone out of favor. Except for the machno, none of these boats are going to float diagonally down rapids and then perform. Modern boats want to be driven hard and pushed into features. That would explain your issues with the Alpha
How raily is it?
This is a semi-displacement. So not very. I went into detail on the rails here. If you want to ride on rails look at the Scorch
Too bad dagger is the worst at customer service and warranty issues. Reminds me of wavssport before they went under. I've paddled a mamba 8.6 exclusively for 8 years, but I would go with a company where I can talk to a rep and get a new boat in a week rather than going thru "dealers" who are clueless. The dealers in Colorado are rei Denver (do we sell daggers?) Confluence (did you buy it here?) And some other shop who told me to get in touch w dagger. Fail.
This sounds like a dealer issue, not a Dagger issue. On our end getting a warranty for a Confluence brand is hands down the easiest process, and it gives benefit of the doubt to the customer more often than others. Definitely a reason to have a relationship with your retailer, and to save a photo of your serial number while it is fresh.
Seems to me that it is quite similar to the OG?
The chines are very different between the two. The OG feels much more planted which would be better in big water and the Code spins like it is on ball bearings which helps make technical moves.
@@AlexBarham Interesting, I'm considering changing from an OG to a Large Code. Love the OG but if water levels are on the low side it gets hung up on every little bit of rock and gets deflected off line so easily, where as if there is ample water it nails the line. Will the Code hold a line when paddles aggressively or wander a bit?
@@shanemurphy35 The OG is a lazer beam. By comparison the Code will not be as easy to drive at 100% speed
The OG is by far the best boat Ive ever tried. By the way: finally someone who points out the stern as an important key for boofing. Everybody talks about the bow being the key for easy boofing, but the stern is the key. More rocker and shorter, easier to boof. Also, like the antix and goat, less volume in the stern, its easier to lift the bow in a boof if theres enough water on the lip to dig down.
I loved my time in the OG, but I see them as limited when it comes to low water and rock bouncing. You're making a trade-off with those amazing rails to have ultimate control in pushy water, but be rolling the dice of catching rock creeking.
Would you even consider putting a 215lb guy in a Medium because he didn't want the extra length of the L?
No, because in spring he is probably 225. Also I just disagree with stressing about an extra couple inches of length. Not like you are parallel parking between rocks.
Worst thing about this boat is you can't buy one ANYWHERE
MIGHT be changing in the next few months
Alex - as always, thanks for all the amazing work you do. I am happy to say I was finally able to track down a large Code!! Unfortunately, I've still been too nervous to take it down anything serious yet. I did loan it to my buddy Spencer over the weekend and he managed some spicy lines on the Mettawee at ~4.7' - Here's my edit - Would love to any feedback you can offer as a paddler/content creator - czcams.com/video/5ZXmx5aEhW0/video.html
Nice man! I still somehow haven't paddled that section.
Keep an eye on the NY Whitewater Paddlers page on facebook. Hannah and I are going to bring back the Training Camp weekends on the Moose and offer free coaching. You guys would get a ton out of that!
Editing is pretty sweet. Tighten up your clips a bit, and be willing to kill off some of your babies and you'll see a sudden jump.
@@AlexBarham Yo, every time I watch your videos I think about how much fun it would be to get on the Moose with you, drop those dates and I am there!
I plan on putting the schedule for all my events up this week.