Sealed Vs Ported Subwoofers (SVS PB-2000 vs SB-2000)
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- Sealed vs ported is a common decision when it comes to subwoofers. I expected to react one way, but hearing it in person was different... Vv Click SHOW MORE vV
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It really made a big difference being able to hear these back to back so that I could give you my take, so big thanks to SVS for making all of this possible. I did not expect the sensitivity issue, and I'm curious if any of my viewers can relate? Not that it's a massive concern, I did get used to it, but the ported subs gave me no problems.
When I went from SB-2000's to the PB-2000's, there was a sense of relief and that the world was right again.
One thing I will say is that the PB-2000's are the physical embodiment of what I discuss on this channel and the website. The performance is exactly what I am looking for. Of course, you can go bigger with more power, but in terms of getting the most bang for your buck and unapologetic performance, the PB-2000's confidently remain as my default blind recommendation.
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This looks great. I'll be getting my SB-2000 soon to add to my Definitive BP9000 series setup.
Nice, thanks.
I needed to stay with gloss white so I ended up with the SB1000. I am very impressed.
Have you tried the SVS Ultra Series yet? Either the bookshelves or Towers?
I have a 4th order band-pass (a sealed dual speaker chamber built into a ported box, with the speakers pointing into the ported chamber, dual 12" at 750rms both) in my house, it's the best sub-bass I've ever heard, extremely pleasant both to the ear and the body... and addictive. Good frequency response, emphasized deepness down to 22hz and really clean sub-bass (best from 60Hz down to 22Hz, exactly what i love), all in one box that was meant to be in a car. It's so good that it's hard to find out where the subwoofer is located in the room when it's working. I had doubts before putting it in-house while it was dying in the garage, but when I tested it I've never used the home cinema or another sub again, the 4th order is on another level. But in the end of course, it's all about individual preferences.
BState is it a DIY desing? hace a few 10 inch subs laying arround might alsó try such desing
In your opinion, is the step up from dual sb1000s to dual sb2000s worth it? Gonna purchase soon but I'm on the fence.
What is your guess as to why you get tired from the sound? I get tired from the sound as well (got an SB 2000), I'm kind of wondering how this could improve with a ported sub.
Thanks for another great video. Just a little experience from my side: Recently I recalibrated my 3 subtwoofers (2 ported, 1 sealed) with a Anti-mode EQ. And to be honest, I'm completely blown away by the performance of my sealed sub. Since then I only use sealed sub for casual listening and I only switch on my ported subs for movies and games.
+Paul Verduin I appreciate that! If you don't mind me asking, what subs do you run? How was the anti-mode to set up?
+Subwoofer 101 Sure, no problem at all. I recently bought a 15 inch ported sub: the Klipsch R-115SW. Then I have an older sub from SVS: the PB12/2 ported sub, an absolute beast with ridiculous output. Lastly I have another old sub namely the B&W ASW CDM, which is a sealed 1000watt RMS subwoofer with a sub-20hz in-room frequency response. They are all hooked up on a Anti-Mode 8033 that uses a proprietary microphone and flattens output in roughly 20-150hz. What you explained about sealed subs being more punch, was exactly what I was looking for. By doing the subwoofer crawl and a lot calibrating I finally have the low-end experience I was looking for. Hope this helps! :)
+Paul Verduin Thanks, the B&W was new on my radar. Looks like a solid unit with a DSP (EQ), usually an indicator of a maker that cares about good bass.
I like the tight sound of bass , what would you suggest with a high end large bookshelf say Polk Lism 703. Thank you for your time explaining.
What is the sensitivity of these subs? I may need a big number there to reach the other end of 80 ft long hall.
@Subwoofer 101, was wondering if you could help me out. I'm in the market for a new subwoofer, I'm currently using a very old Klipsch KSW-12. I'm really liking SVS but I'm not sure which sub I want to get, SB 2000 Pro or PB 2000 Pro. Here's the thing, the sub would go under my projector screen. From the floor to the screen is 18". The SB 2000 Pro would fit with no problem but the PB 2000 Pro would be too tall, unless I laid it on it's side. What's your thoughts on that?
Wondering if adding soundproofing to your room would help with your ear sensitivity issues? Lots of sound reflection on those bare walls.
I need serious answer which one is better????
svs sb16 ultra or svs pb16 ultra for huge loud and no limit bass. Most for music.
So if subwoofer spec says it can go deep 20hz but in actuality it will go as deep as 30hz? Correct?
The lower the number in hertz, the deeper it is. So 20 is lower than 30. You probably knew that, I just wanted to make sure for the sake of others reading this.
I think what you're asking about is the depth of presentation. A subwoofer can be rated accurately to 20 hertz and still start getting relatively quieter as it goes deeper, and some begin getting quieter as soon as 40 hertz or higher. It's a shallow sound.
Subs that are on my list actually get a little louder as they go deeper. So even though they might have the same factory rating, the subs on The List SOUND a lot deeper.
This allows you to get gobs of bass, without it sounding overdone. You can usually run a lot more gain with deep bass subs.
hello.
Quick question, i have 2 dali e12f, wondering to change to 2 sb 2000, what do you think about that? my Dali is ported, but dont go as deep as sb 2000.
What are you using for mids and highs? Those DALIs are awful subwoofers, heard one myself and it just didnt drop anywhere low enough.
How does it feel like to have one sealed and the other ported? Thanks
Some swear by it, but I would avoid it.
Also on the spectrum, I do some work in the music engineering, mixing, mastering side of things. Have totally found the same thing regarding ported vs sealed and my ears! Really appreciate your take on this, have not heard this angle mentioned before. Unfortunately I gotta stay with sealed in most of my applications because I am doing work that needs reference quality.
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Got any tips on how to set up subs to feel the bass (like in your chest) more? Without just cranking the gain up to max
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Thank you, that's what I'm going for.
Hello, i have a SB2000 in a 5.1.2 setup but im not totally satisfied by it and i think i should have bought a ported one. Do you think i will make an upgrade or a downgrade if i exchange the SB2000 for a PB1000 Pro model? Will i loose something? Im using the system mostly for movies, i barely listen to music.
Great video. Thanks for all of your reviews and advice. I'm getting ready to take the plunge with a pair of SVS subs. However, I can't decide whether I would prefer a pair of PB2000s or a pair of SB4000s. Ideally, I'd prefer PB4000s, but the budget won't allow for that. Notwithstanding the sensitive ear issue, do you think the SB4000s will sound better than the PB2000s? Do the SB4000s have more slam/potency than the smaller, less powerful but ported PB2000s?
Better is a tough one. The SB-4000's will be tighter, but not as thunderous.
If it were me, I'd grab dual PB-12 Plus, or PB-13's from the outlet. You don't get the app, but you still get solid bass and all of the benefits of new, including 1 year trade up, free shipping, and 5 year warranty. I've seen some incredible deals on PB-13 Ultras.
sub101.link/SVSOutlet (this is an affiliate link, if you're inclined to support the channel)
Subwoofer 101 I didn't think of checking the outlet. Thanks!
Very informative, thanks for the straight talk. Quick question please. Have a nice set up in my shop. 30'x60' listening area 1/3 that area. Very open, listening area roughly 20'30' (shop is long rectangle) 100% listening Music. I would assume a ported would be best, thoughts? Robert Shaw TN
The Labor Day Outlet sale is happening now, check out my most recent video. I would always go dual, and yes ported would be important in that large of a space. The PB-16 Ultras are almost gone, but the PB-4000's are still there at the moment. A couple of PB-2000's, 2-3 PB-3000's. You can always trade up within a year if you need more fire power. Stay matched, don't mix the subs. sub101.link/LaborDay2019
Great video, i have enjoyed the reviews and advice. I have decided to try dual subs as my single 8in velodyne sub can't plumb the depths so to speak. My main concern is output, having a rather small room 11x18 the sheer size of the PB2000's all but eliminates them from the mix. Having said that my main speakers and surrounds are rather large stand mount B&W 602S2's mixed with a Yamaha 5 channel 100 watt amp. I'm afraid the SB1000 would just flat disappear , your thoughts on the PB 1000 vs the SB2000 in terms of output ? SVS recommends either the SB2000 or PB2000 for my setup , but size is an issue .
+Speed Weasel Tough one. If you haven't already, check out the decision chart on the article, and decide whether ported or sealed best handles what you want. If sealed works for you, the SB-2000's will get you done and together should deliver plenty of output unless you hate your ears, just turn the gain up to 50% and use the AVR/pre to adjust the levels. If you prefer the ported characteristics, try the PB-1000's, they will surprise you, they handle the business. You can upgrade very easily with SVS, and within the first 45 days there are no shipping charges to do so if you need to move to the PB-2000's. That said, I would try to shoehorn in the PB-2000's, I like them that much.
+Subwoofer 101 I was afraid you would say that, the PB2000's do seem to be the obvious choice. I keep referring to the video and the size of the PB2000's , perhaps a custom set of stands to float the 602's above the PB2000's...Look's like I'm gonna be busy this summer Listening and welding. Thanks for the quick response and keep up the good work.
I an very happy I found your channel. I have just become acquainted with SVS subwoofers I wish I could say that was not the case but it is. I'm a big speaker enthusiastic and I will tell you I have been very impressed with SVS thus far. I like your channel because you're very familiar with them as well and your reviews are very informative. I recently just purchased the PB 2000 ported. In your video I noticed that you said that the 3000 was considerably better I haven't actually listened to the 2000 yet I'm waiting for it to arrive. If there's anything that you could say to me that you think would be helpful and encouraging please do so
Glad you found me! A few key points: Dual subwoofers are where it's at. It's not for more loudness, it's to hear the bass you don't even realize you're missing. With a single, you WILL have missing bass, it's a physics thing, and not the fault of any subwoofer.
Check out my Bass Hack series. Little tips to improve your sound.
The PB-2000 will have a similar depth of presentation (both have a really deep sound), the PB-3000 will just hit harder during heavy scenes. Of course it will go louder too, but if you're running duals, you'll likely hurt your ears before dual PB-2000's run out of steam. It's stronger, cleaner bass, even within the same loudness.
I think you'll dig your PB-2000. Turn up the gain to about 3 O'clock, or about 75%, and turn down the AVR Subwoofer Level to compensate, -11.5 is ok. With a flat response sub, you can run more gain without sounding overdone. A lot of this is in the Bass Hack series, like how to adjust subs by ear.
Hope that helps!
Thank you for your words! I do have two subs. I will be pairing the PB 200 with the BIC F12. I knew that are not quite in the same league but I thought it would be better than nothing. At least until I get purchase another pb 2000. I realize I will have to compensate the subs differently. It's times like this I wish my AVR had independent sub outputs so I could adjust them differently. I will be getting the Marantz Sr 7012. For one reason to help with that but mostly because it is AWESOME! Thanks again! Is there a way I could contact you directly if you didn't mind?
I am very sorry for spelling errors. I was writing from phone.
Facebook or through the website is how most people get in touch. I'm not super fast getting back on any platform, but I try to keep up. Running the PB-2000 with the Bic is better than running the PB-2000 alone, but you'll truly the "hear" the PB-2000's when it's just a matched pair.
thank you. I learned some cool things from this! do you have any experience with T-line sub's. I think that bild one myself is best
My biggest problem with DIY is what if you spend the money, put the time in, and end up not liking the sound? Cool looking design though! I'd be interested to see how they graph out. Thanks for watching!
I got an SB 3000 instead of a pb2000. The cost on the SB was only 50$ more than the pb2000 (outlet). I only watch movies, it’s in a small bedroom. Do you think i made a good choice? Larger sealed vs smaller ported? i really like to feel/breathe my bass I do not have space for dual right now until about a year. I was told with room gain the sealed would sound like or better than a ported.
The SB-3000 does sound more like a ported sub than the SB-2000. I would consider getting another down the road to run duals, but make sure you are comfortable with the sealed. If I didn't have an issue with sealed, the SB-3000's sound awesome.
Great video! I just stumbled upon SVS, and I'm upgrading my HT. Currently I'm running a Klipsch setup featuring RP280fs and an RP250c. Anyway, I was thinking about getting the 12" Klipsch sub (r-112sw) but the person at Crutfield said to go with the SB-2000. After speaking with someone at SVS, he was saying to go with the PB-2000. What do you think?
Techno Dad What did you go with?
I really have no idea how I missed your comment Techno Dad, I like your channel! For sure, the PB-2000's would be my choice.
Do you or would you suggest having a ported box and a sealed playing together in the same room thinking u wouldbe getting best of both worlds?! or do you suggest keeping them separate for all around better sound at higher volume ect? Then having two of the same working together? Anyone's option would be appreciated! TyTy WordToBig🐥!
+Astreim imagine ...you could get better quality bass from two smaller subs .....lmao what a waste of space
I am selling my klipsch 12s and getting two svs pb 2000 no comparison
Hi
What about the energy the PB or PC subs put out? In other words which sub can you feel more?
Just to be clear, you mean between the ported down firing PC and front firing PB? They are pretty close.
Just seeing this... Nicely done. Got a newbie question. Can the ported sub be lain on it's side?
Sure, just a few things I would do personally. Ideally, you want to run two subs, and if you are going to put one on its side, I would put both on their side for continuity.
I would also protect the finish. Otherwise, no real issues.
So, if i switch from a 50 watt 8 inch polk ported sub to a 12 inch 400 watt sealed svs sub both music and movies will sound better ?
Sealed box is harder on the amplifier than on the ported. Which amp is going to last longer?
Okay I like your stuff, would it be okay to have two pb2000 with DT PB9060 I want 5. 1. 2 system, then much later get the up speakers for pb9060 .
This might be a weird question but how deep would you say is ”too deep”. Currently, my sibwoofers have around 10 db peak in that 20-30 Hz range compared to the main listening area (40-80 Hz). You mentioned that you can overdo that deep sound. Where would you set the limit there. I currently feel all the bass like a punch in the gut, but am wondering if it can hurt my ears from that 10 db boost in that 20-30 Hz range. Again, this is a very weird question. Just want to know how much deeper it should be in those lower frequencys in your oppinion?
Hi. Wonderful in-depth videos about sub-woofer !! If possible, could you kindly do a review of RSL Speedwoofer 10S Subwoofer ?
Based on some reviews I've found it does not go as deep as I would like. I like my subs to hit 20 hertz flat with authority, and the RSL Speedwoofer seems to trail off around 30 hertz. Not that I'm picking on RSL, most subwoofers do this. I'd say spend the extra $100 and get an SVS bit.ly/PB-1000 (affiliate link). Flat in my room to 21 hertz, audible to 19 hertz. It's the least expensive sub I know of with that kind of performance.
Some very good info...and to add to it...the great thing about ported subs is you always have the option to go ported or sealed...I'm assuming SVS provided the foam insert for the ported sub...idk if they did or not,but it's very easy to make one...sealed subs don't give you that option...if you get sealed,you're pretty much stuck with it...unless you enjoy voiding warranties...lol
Not all subs are designed to run both. The PB-1000, PB12-NSD, and PB-2000 are NOT designed to run as sealed. Plugging the port will cause damage.
That said, you're right about the subs that are designed for different configurations. You just have to be sure to set the EQ to the right port tuning. Definitely gives you more options.
I have roughly a 15x10 room, what would be better one 12'sb or two. 10' sb?
Always go dual. I don't know of a good 10 inch sealed sub, do you mean the SB-1000? It confused me too, it has a 12 inch driver while the ported PB-1000 has a 10 inch driver. Because of my ear issues and a preference for a "deeper sound", I prefer dual PB-1000's over dual SB-2000's. That said, I'd go dual SB-1000 over a single SB-2000 all day long. Dual subs are where it's at.
Your videos have helped me so much!! Thank you!
That's great, thank you!
Bought dual SB 1000's because of you (paired with KEF LS50). They seems fine so far. It's only day 1. I'm coming from 8 inch powered studio monitors, where all the music seemed to be a bit more smooth and bassy, but muddy at the same time.
How did it go? Does it really make a big difference dual Subs VS one?
Thank you for your response, I got another question does SVS do black Fridays because it is right around the corner and it would be the perfect time to buy them......(SMILEING.)
How does the ported sound when playing music? Typically I have found large ported Subs sounds a bit overwhelming, boomy, and at times muddy.
That is the typical ported subwoofer experience. Stick with subs from the list, and for sure split your budget to run duals. Running duals really tightens up the sound in my opinion. It helps even with garbage subs, but with good subs it really comes together nicely. Without a doubt though, sealed subs are "quicker", and some people really prefer them.
Sloppy, loose subs are common when ported, but one of the reasons my list is so small is because I won't tolerate that kind of thing. If they are sloppy or unrefined, I have no interest. The subs on the list are tight with a flat response, which also reduces the boominess. Boominess also occurs with the standing wave effect, creating loud spots and dead spots, which is why running duals is so important.
Music is my favorite part of deep ported subs. I love the sound, with an endless yet balanced bottom end.
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Hey what would you recommend 1 svs sb4000 or 1-2 svs pb3000?
2 PB-3000's ALL DAY LONG! Dual PB-3000's would be far more satisfying than a single PB-4000 or a even a single PB 16 Ultra. Duals make that much of a difference.
Can you tell me a opinion about M-audio SBX10 sub?
Im interesting in dual subs with my monitors Maudio Bx8a deluxe
I have the idea to put subs on bottom of the monitors , so monitors goes on subs to be stereo monitors with stereo subs.
cheers
From looking around, it appears to be a typical sub, nothing impressive under 30 hertz despite the factory 20 hertz rating. For glancing at reviews from others, it gets much quieter by the time it hits 30 hertz, which is all too common and a particular pet peeve of mine, pretty much the reason for the entire channel.
Something like a bit.ly/PB-1000 (affiliate link) would be a much better performer, especially in dual configuration.
www.subwoofer101.com/pb-1000-vs-pb-2000/
On this page you'll find a graph, and the sub you're looking at would likely be similar to the Brown line. The PB-1000 is the Green line, and it's just clearing it's throat at 30 hertz. To me the difference is night and day.
hi Sub101,...is it better to have 2 x PB1000 vs 1 x PB2000? i have kef q150 fronts and svs prime center? your reviews helped me a lot. Thanks!
Glad you found them useful! Dual PB-1000's all day long! I've done a LOT on this topic, but yes dual PB-1000's will sound better overall than a single PB-2000. Then check out my Bass Hack Series to get the most out of them.
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Also, by going factory direct, you can trade up within a year to PB-2000's or better, if you feel the need. Makes the upgrade bug less painful. After you follow that link, check out the Outlet, they are having a big sale right now. 1 year trade up still applies to used outlet items.
can you quantify the amount of "tightness" the SB has over the PB? I'm seriously super torn. I'm wondering if the extra output might be more worth it. I'm choosing a sub mainly for music, however I really enjoy electronic music. I also have sensitive ears. So the PB is enticing, however I really wonder if I'm missing out on musicality. The SB-2000 seems to have more "awards" and "accolades".
The ear sensitivity makes me lean towards recommending the ported. I love the way the ported subs sound for music, about 70% of my listening.
If I had to quantify it for my own experience, using experiences I've never experienced before (lol), I'd say sealed are more like formula one cars, they'll turn on a dime if you're going fast enough, but the ride isn't exactly plush. Ported are more like a Nissan GTR, fast enough in corners to cause neck damage (just ask Jeremy Clarkson) but a lot more comfortable as a daily driver. Both (I imagine) are a blast to drive, but you could put a lot more time in a GTR. At least for me, the response of sealed was so tight it was almost too tight. Some people really like that. For sure, ported SVS are not loose in any way.
Going dual is really important too, standing waves (present with both sealed and ported) can give the impression of overhang in a round about way. If you're in a spot where the frequency is peaking (it moves through the room as the frequency changes) the bass could sound "bloated", but it's the standing wave effect. Duals essentially wipe that out.
SVS does a good job explaining the differences, note what they say about ported and music: bit.ly/SealedvsPortedSVS (affiliate link)
I also did an article on it, and I have a Pro's and Con's chart that might help you too. www.subwoofer101.com/ported-vs-sealed/
It's tough, I expected to be a sealed convert, and the SB-2000's are indeed a fantastic sealed sub, but I enjoy ported subs more than I thought I would. I LOVE music, and actually prefer the music performance of ported, which is a clear departure from the general consensus. The sealed are more accurate, ideal for those mixing music, but for enjoying music, I like ported myself.
Hi. What is your experience with using one ported and one sealed sub? would they work well together? Anyone tried it???
Generally you want both subs to be as matched as possible. I wouldn't run ported and sealed together.
QUESTION: How do you think the SB-2000 and PB-2000 compare to the Epik Empire subwoofer? ... If you could talk about specifications, frequencies, maximum volume, clipping, and things like that, I would be very thankful.
I've had no experience with the Epik, and sadly they are out of business. I would just be venturing a guess trying to compare them without any practical experience with the Epik. It was a capable sealed sub as I understand it, plagued with some reliability problems (per Wikipedia), but I can't really offer much more than that. The closest comparison, I would have to assume, would be dual SB-2000's with a combined 1000 watts RMS, 2200 peak. Dual PB-2000's would win the output game, and come across as sounding deeper since they have more output under 40 hertz. Even though the SB-2000 goes deeper in room, the PB-2000 has more emphasis at depth.
Thank you. The reason I was asking is because I have two Epik Empire. Thankfully, I didn't have a problem with any defects the way other people did. But, one problem I am concerned about is something that happens on only a small number of movies such as Everest, Jurassic World, and X-Men: Apocalypse. I used my Radio Shack SPL meter to determine that at the volume of 102db in scenes that display very low frequencies, there will be severe distortion that I understand is called "Clipping." It does this on both Empire subwoofers at the exact same volume, so it doesn't appear to be a defect. That is apparently just the limit of the product.
This is a bit frustrating, because 102db is reached relatively easily at times at that lower frequency. The Empire can apparently output much higher decibel levels as long as it isn't a lower frequency. But, I use the subwoofers mostly for movies, so that is what I care about.
For example, in the movie X-Men: Apocalypse, the deepest sounds in the entire movie come when Apocalypse is fighting Charles Xavier in a psychic way at the end of the movie. When Apocalypse grows in size and punches the floor, that is when this "distortion" that is apparently called "clipping" occurs at 102db.
Is that what "Clipping" is? ... Do you know of a way to stop clipping like that? ... I have tried everything from adjusting the Gain on the A/V Receiver to the Volume on the Empire subwoofer. I even decided to use dual LFE inputs, which did in fact make the volume about 3db or 4db louder without changing the power or gain. But in all scenarios when 102db is reached, this distortion apparently called "Clipping" occurs in those spots.
Do the SVS subwoofers experience "clipping" like that? If so, at what volume?
"Fun vs serious" that was perfect. thanks. I'm going for a ported (although it's gonna be the 1000 and not 2000). I'll be using it for both music and movies but I care more about the fun rumbling lows over accurate mid-high bass.
Help me with best setting for powerful bass and loud, on svs sb2000, what you recommend? gain level and crossover level on sub?
Gain around 3 o'clock or so and crossover will depend on your speakers. I had to run the center channel at 60 hertz while the towers were at 90 hertz, and that was to take a little bass away from the sub in the higher range. Hard to give exact settings, but running a higher gain on the sub and compensating by running a lower AVR subwoofer level should help.
Subwoofer 101 Speakers monitor audio silver100
Monitor audio soundframe 1 and 2
Monitor audio gold c150
what about crossover level on subwoofer and in av receiver pioneer vsx-932?
Also i have klipsch R-115SW and R
-112SW plus svs sb2000
Interested if you have tried the sb2000 with the pb2000. Wouldn't that be the best of both worlds. Or do you think they wouldn't play well together?
+Brad Loseke I would try to keep the bass signals as unified as possible, so I would stick with both ported or both sealed. Good logic, but to me it would be like putting mud tires on one side of your car and racing slicks on the other.
Not exactly the same issue, but might help with explaining my theory:
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Thanks Ryan. Very interesting as always to hear your thoughts. Just ordered a couple of ported subs myself. An upgrade from my current two. Like you having gone to two subs I can't go back to having just one - no matter how much better it is. Got an Antimode 8033 SII (Subwoofer EQ) that plugs in between the receiver and the subwoofers and does the room EQ for you using the accompanying mic. Makes a big difference in my room at least. Just subbed as well :)
+David Norton Thanks for the subscription! I've heard good things about the 8033, at some point I'll have to check it out. I went to a single sub for a week and I was not thrilled. No matter how awesome the sub is, a single is just incomplete.
+Subwoofer 101 I definitely wonder if some of my experience from preferring two subs is pandering to my OCD tendancy to prefer things to be equal. The room just looks right with a sub either side rather than lopsided. The listening experience being so subjective anyway pandering to my "issue" probably does make me appreciate the sound more and thus perceive it as better. There is no doubt that having dual subs should make for a better sound if properly setup but likewise having two improperly setup can be awful! Not really going anywhere with this - your video just got me wondering if my minor OCD tendancies may actually impact my listening experience more than I would suspect.........
YES!! A longer video :) my only problem I have with the channel is the videos are very small. I like to sit down with a brew and watch youtube. Good work :D
+Paul Whittaker Huh, good feedback. I always thought my videos were way too long. Anybody else prefer the longer videos? I'm good at rambling!
One of favourite hifi channels is new record day. His videos are very long and detailed. I would love to see you complete an unboxing and full review of the SVS SB13 ultra :)
Hey man it's me again. So I had mentioned early how I was getting a lot of dead spots with my sub, and how it just wasn't performing as well as I wished. So anyway today I was playing around with settings on my AVR, and I decided to switch the phase on the sub. For some reason, it was like a whole new sub. It was literally night and die. The bass is full and low now, and sounds like a sub should. It's set to reverse. Not sure why this happened but I'm very pleased. Anyway have a good one!
+PyroUser55 It´s easy to identify the right phase of a sub... when it plays louder, then you´ve got the right phase. In my case, i have a Rel Storm 3 and i surely will never sell it. Cheers.
+rmabgoi for sure man
Yeah, I was leaning more towards music and the punchy bass from my two svs sb2000s. Funny how opinions vary :) I like them in movies too, to me they sound more natural and true to life.
So if I decide for SB 2000 over my entry level ported sub (120W RMS, 28-200Hz) I should get better rumble LFE for movies in my 261 sq ft room? I never had a sealed sub before and I would go with a ported SVS but my furniture's design can't fit them...just to big.
+Cristian Tolbaru Yes, the SB-2000 will go lower than you can hear, and a lot cleaner. I've found that there always seems to be room for good bass once it's installed. The SVS ported will have a more of a pronounced depth, while the sealed will have a more linear depth. Check out the graphs on the article to see what I mean.
www.subwoofer101.com/ported-vs-sealed/
Either way you go, go with matching duals.
Thanks for the reply; indeed the sb2000 in room response is very flat and goes very nice under 20hz comparing with the PB1000. This was my biggest question PB1000 or SB 2000. I finally decided for SB2000 and i'm waiting my order from Norway. Cant wait to test it! After a while maybe I will get the money for a second one...see how it goes. Will use it with JBL Studio530 in stereo mode for music and with Taga Harmony center+ surround for 5.1 on movies. Thanks again! Waiting more videos!
Hi again, The SB2000 finally came. Paired with jbl studio 530 I have the best sound ever...no doubts here! Better than one SB2000, will be adding a second...maybe next year. Not only music, but great low clean output on movies too. For a dedicated home theater one should go with dual PC or PB series, but for thee next best thing this will do it without any compromise. Cheers my friend!
+Cristian Tolbaru Nice! The SB-2000's will smoke most common ported subs for theater, but the ported SVS will do even better for cinema. I was impressed with the bottomless depth of the SB-2000's. You'll love having 2.
how would you compare the pb2000 to the pb1000 that you had for a while. game changing? worth the price difference? etc?
+Rich Miller I couldn't call it game changing, that would imply the PB-1000's were not impressive, and they truly are. You get more headroom, deeper extension, and more convincing presence with the PB-2000's. I think it's worth the price difference. I will get more in depth later, but the PB-2000's remain my default recommendation.
+Subwoofer 101 Thanks for the reply. Have you had the privilege of demo'ing anything from Rhythmik? Right now I am going back and forth about the SVS PB-2000 and the Rhythmik FVX15 for the last piece of the puzzle in my HT but i'm trying to get as many people's personal experiences before taking the plunge. I'm going dual and that's a lot of money. Z Reviews has had both and he said while both are amazing subwoofers, he believes that the FVX15 wins in output, extension, and accuracy. Not by a ton, but noticeably in each category. the accuracy surprised me considering its a 15 vs a 12, but then again it is a servo sub. It's 300 more than the SVS in a dual config, which isn't the end of the world but 300 is 300. Just wanted your experienced input if you had any. Thanks for the knowledge!
+Rich Miller I have not had the chance to hear Rhythmik yet. I could see it possibly winning in output (but I'm not certain, and max output can be misleading), but I too wonder about the accuracy thing. I just don't know, plain and simple.
In terms of extension, the PB-2000's dip below my hearing limits (17hertz) in room down to 15-16 hertz, which is absolutely complete in my opinion. Dual PB-2000's are barely moving at my higher listening levels, they have tons of headroom left, so the benefit of more output is not a big deal since I'm nowhere near max output now. Lots of gas left in the tank.
Looks like the amp is a little bigger on the PB-2000's and a longer warranty on the amp (5 year vs 3 year) which is the part that will fail more often than anything else will. The PB-2000's are also a bit smaller, though not by much.
Of course, the Rhythmik is on "The List" of best subwoofers, so it won't be a bad choice. I definitely couldn't trash talk them and feel good about it, I put them on the list for good reason. It's a tough choice, both are solid units. I do like the ability to upgrade within a year with SVS. I would be interested to see my in room response with the Rhythmiks.
Hope that helps, let me know which way you go. Either option should be quite impressive.
So if I wanted something that hits me in the chest for music what should I go for?
For Jazz music, which one are better?
Sealed....
Thanks for the video, that was a very helpful comparison. A little off topic, but who makes that entertainment shelving you have below the tv and where can I get one?
Hey so Im looking at either the SVS PB-1000, SVS SB-1000 or Martin Logan Dynamo 700W for my home theater setup. In a small room with fake laminate wood flooring. Which of these 3 would be best for movies with some music play but mostly for movies. I don't care about shaking the house as much as I care about quality of sound.
Easy choice for me, PB-1000's. I too prioritize sound quality over rattles and shakes. Especially for movies, but I also prefer ported for music, easier to hear low frequency nuances. More powerful output under 40 hertz.
If it's no trouble, please follow my links in the description, or on my website: www.subwoofer101.com/best-subwoofers/
I would also go dual if you can swing it. Makes a huge difference.
I have a Martin Logan 700W love it but I'm curious of SVS and how they would compare. these are all mid expensive subs so changing them out takes some good coin especially when you have duals.
are they really that much better than Logan's ?
I noticed you have the sealed set of subs ontop of the ported, have you ever tried them all together? I have 2 of the PB2000 in a fairly large vaulted room and i'm looking for a little more punch, but PB2k provide great body and depth just looking for extra kick.
I probably should have just for kicks. I'm of the opinion that completely matched subs are ideal, but I did not try 2 sealed and 2 ported. Missed opportunity. People do run 4 subs, so that's always an idea. Do you have the SVS feet yet? They decouple the subs from the floor and I measured a little more output at the same volumes. Won't have as much impact as adding more subs, but would give a little extra oomph. And you can always run the subs a little hotter from the AVR. What are your subs gain set to, on the back of the subs themselves and the AVR?
bit.ly/IsolationFeet (affiliate link)
That's awesome! I'll have to give it a try, but looking at their graph the pb2000 falls inbetween the 4 and 6 foot options; which would you recommend? As for avr I run a rather unusual setup, JBL lsr308's linked to the pb2000's, then linked to a red scarlet audio interface then to PC, my setup is much more for music than movies but they are enjoyed from time to time! if by gain you mean power they both sit a little under half!
+ferdis7 Yeah the PB-2000's have 4 feet on the bottom, so that's the option you would need. The PB 13 ultra has 6 feet on the bottom instead of 4 because it's a bit bigger and heavier. The isolation system basically replaces the existing feet on the bottom of the subwoofer. It looks stock, imo.
You can try running the gain a little higher too (up to 50%) and if it doesn't sound overdone, stick with it, but you have probably already tried that. But yes, that set-up is a bit different, but not wrong. Just not typical.
Not sure if you're still replying, but I gotta try. I am in a dilemma. I just got the SB1000 like 4 months back and the only great reviews I see every where starts with the 2000 series. Did I just made a mistake? Would an upgrade to SB2000 make a night and day difference? I chat with the SVS chatline and they told me only upgrade to the 2000 if I am not happy with the volume of the 1000. What do you think?
How big is your room?
Interesting point about the aspergers and how it affects your listening experience. I also find sealed is overall brilliant but there is something about it that makes me feel tense. A well designed ported box just feels immersive in a more relaxed way
Turns out that I also have Post Concussion Syndrome from falling out of my Semi truck in 2001. That also has a LOT to do with hearing sensitivity.
A great ported subwoofer only seems to offend my hearing if there is too much *relative* infrasonics.
Sealed subs can generate a lot of infrasonics, but ported subwoofers have a different way that room gain affects the output.
I agree about ported subwoofers feeling like a warm bath.
@@Subwoofer101 Sorry to hear about the fall. I guess it highlights the individuality and hence subjectivity of the audio listening experience. For me perhaps I hark back to first hearing a subwoofer in the early 90s at a friends house and it was a ported setup and the woofing of bas out of the ports had me mesmerised. Thirty years on and having listened to systems perhaps a hundred times the price, that system still seems to be the holy grail for me!
Sorry if this don't belong here but I'm struggling to decide on with receiver I should get.... first I'm getting a 65 inch curved Samsung TV with hdr and 4k plus getting a true 4k Samsung player. The 1st receiver is a denon avr-s920w with all the features I want and the 2nd is also a denon avr-x2200w also has all the features I want but almost $100 bucks between them . Do you see where the extra money comes in at and why?
The X line is the higher end, with a nicer room correction. This may further complicate things, but you may consider the X3200 amzn.to/2j4UScC (affiliate link) to future proof a little in case you wanted to add external amps in the future. I had the X2000 (older version of X2200) and my biggest complaint was no Pre amp outputs. So, of course, now I have an X6200.
There is a difference in tightness between pb1000 and pb2000? I'm asking because pb1000 should be tighter because of the smaller driver, physics should always work.
Any difference in sound quality on music ? Dual pb2000 is a lot more powerful than dual pb1000 or a slight margin?
+GraveNoX The PB-2000's have more gas in the tank, they don't have to work as hard. I don't know if I subscribe to the "smaller driver, tighter response" theory. Not that it's wrong, I'm just not certain. The larger driver does not need to travel as far for the same volume levels, theoretically making the return excursion a little quicker. That's me guessing, I'm not an engineer and I don't know for certain.
I would prefer the PB-2000's over the PB-1000's, but I would be really happy with the PB-1000's if that's all my budget allowed, they are outstanding. I see what the extra money delivers, and I think it's worthwhile to go PB-2000 if you have the funds and the space.
Do you hav any idea about Q ACCOUSTIC QB 12 SUB.
Thanks for the review. You mentioned very interesting point, which is they sound good/loud even at Low volumes. That's the exact requirement I have. I am not into playing movies too loud, but would love to hear good amount of base even at -10 or -15 or -20 volume levels! Which one of these 2 subs(or any other) would do that? Thanks!
Pretty much any SVS sub will give you what you're looking for because of the way they tune their subs. I'm partial to the bit.ly/SVSPB2000 (affiliate link), and since they have the deeper sounding signature than the SB-2000, they will probably give you what you want, but the SB-2000 will still do a great job.
I'll highlight the importance of getting 2 subs, if you weren't already planning for that. If it meant going with dual bit.ly/PB-1000 subwoofers, you'd get a better overall experience than a single PB-2000. The PB-1000 will also sound great at low volumes. Of course, dual PB-2000's are excellent.
I listen to some music @ -35 to -40 and it still sounds full, deep, and appropriate, and that's been true of every SVS sub I've heard. Of course Audyssey dynamic EQ does help too, but it's the bass response curve of SVS subs that lends very well to low volume listening.
oh would 2 PB-1000 sound better than one PB-2000? I heard 12" drivers gives a nice range of sound waves or something, which 10" can not. How would the experience be different with 2 PB-1000s v/s 1 PB-2000? Is it, louder base? More base at low volume? or what else? Space wise having 1 sub is better than 2, but would like to see what I gain and/or lose. Thank you!
A single sub creates a standing wave, which creates loud spots and dead spots that shift within the room as the frequency changes. Duals even the sound out, allowing you to hear all of the bass, rather than what I call "Swiss Cheese Bass": czcams.com/video/865RhwRLUM0/video.html
Duals are important. See my 2 vs 1 final thoughts video too, which compares the PB-1000's to a powerful single 15 inch sub.
Normally, 12" subs are the smallest drivers I would recommend, but the PB-1000's are the only exception at this time. They are truly impressive for 10" subs, and should be more than enough for your needs. I did this article for your exact situation: www.subwoofer101.com/pb-1000-vs-pb-2000/
But if I Downgrade for getting couple subs (from PB-2000 to PB-1000) how much do gain, do I not lose something? Also it adds to my cost & space. So really need find out the ROI, is it really worth doing all that ?
Also one more question. I visited Magnolia (Best buy) last night, they had Martin Logans Dynamo 800W and SB-2000 on display. We played both one by one. I was very sure that at LOW volumes SB will outperform Dynamo. But very surprised, Dynamo 800W (in spite of being less wattage etc) was much more louder at low volumes(which is my requirement), it was about -15 volume. He said if I get Dynamo 1000W, it will sound even better. When we increased volume to reference volume, then both were sounding equally powerful. Both subs had their volume of those set to medium. He said all other settings are same. When I increased SB-2000 volume (in the back(, then they started sounding similar at Low volume. But then I will have to always keep it high. Any idea on this? Is Dynamo going to give more base at Low volumes? It got me confused. :) Thank you so much!
The SB-2000 sounded best to me at about 55-60% gain in my room, so I'm not shocked. It's no problem to run the gain like that. Some of that comes down to relativity too, and if the music being listened to isn't very deep, the M&L will sound louder. Without writing a novel about why, this all makes sense to me, and doesn't change my opinion.
As far as going Dual PB-1000's over a single PB-2000, it's a subject I've beaten to death. It will sound more balanced, fewer dead spots, increased headroom, etc... To sum it up, consider the channel that I run, and then consider the fact that I would always run dual subs if I could. I went back to a single sub for a while and was annoyed the whole time. The PB-1000 vs PB-2000 article covers this topic pretty well. www.subwoofer101.com/pb-1000-vs-pb-2000/
whats your thoughts on the svs pc 2000.
+the dark lord They are essentially a PB-2000 in a different enclosure, so I have no doubts about the performance. The PB-2000's are excellent, but I have not heard the PC-2000's yet.
I got a few questions for you. I have a BIG MANCAVE almost 9,000 cu ft. My single Velodyne DEQ-10r subwoofer which has 195 watts RMS and 390 watts dynamic which is placed in one corner does actually pretty good. However, I do not get the heart rumbling, wall shaking like I should for movies, I am mostly into movie watching a little music but not so much, so bass in music I don't really care it its there or not. But movies is a different animal. I am looking into replacing the subwoofer though. I don't like the footprint of the SVS PB 4000 (to DAMN big) and the PB 3000 is a little more tolerable but not to much.
Here is the question. Question about the SVS PC 4000. Do you think that one PC 4000 should take care of the problem, I am thinking this has 1200 watts RMS and 4000 watts peak, at the Minimum power out it still is putting out 6 times the punch of the Velodyne. The PB 4000 is just to damn wide and deep for my liking. But the PC 4000 has a great footing to it. I understand that its like a used glove you get use to it and don't want to change gloves.
I have talked to individuals at SVS doing my homework and research and they are telling me that I should run duels but I don't think its necessary I am thinking its a sells pitch to spend more $$$ lol. I am thinking since the Velodyne does what is does with the minimal watts it does put out ONE bigger sub will do great.
I am also in the process of resetting my Home movie system. I am trying to reset my 7.1 Surround system. I am running a Marantz A/V receiver model SR 6006, 100 watts per channel. I need some help in the speaker settings. the following is what I have set it to. But I am not sure if these are correct. can you help me out and give me the proper settings for the best quality. ......
AIM8 Two In-Ceiling (Speakers)
A/V Receiver / Processor:
Speaker/Subwoofer Crossover Frequency (Hz) 80 Hz
Stereo Pre-Amplifier or Receiver:
Low Pass Filter Frequency Setting (Hz) N/A Hz
Low Pass Filter Slope (dB/octave) N/A dB/octave
AIM CINEMA ONES (Front)
A/V Receiver / Processor:
Speaker/Subwoofer Crossover Frequency (Hz) 80 Hz
Stereo Pre-Amplifier or Receiver:
Low Pass Filter Frequency Setting (Hz) Hz
Low Pass Filter Slope (dB/octave) /octave
AIM LCR 1 (Center)
A/V Receiver / Processor:
Speaker/Subwoofer Crossover Frequency (Hz) 80 Hz
Stereo Pre-Amplifier or Receiver:
Low Pass Filter Frequency Setting (Hz) Hz
Low Pass Filter Slope (dB/octave) dB/octave
I am very open minded and keeping all my options open. But I really need help with this situation.
Also I have high frequency hearing loss due to my 20 years in the Military combat tours etc etc. I don't want to lose the rest of my hearing so I am just a little concerned about the subs output. What is your opinion on this.....I look forward to hearing from you.
First off, thank you for your service. Hearing damage is all too common.
I can't address everything in this response, but I think I can address the biggest issue.
Dual subwoofers are not a sales pitch thing.
I would take SVS's smallest ported subs in a dual configuration, so 2 PB-1000's over a **single** PB-16 Ultra.
That's how important it is.
It's called the standing wave effect, and a single subwoofer causes cancellations within any room.
There is no such thing as a "sweet spot" with a single subwoofer.
No matter where you are, bass is missing due to standing wave cancellations.
Dual subwoofers create constructive interference and alter the overall wave pattern, reducing cancellations substantially, while increasing output and a sense of "tightness" and explosiveness.
See my video on Swiss Cheese Bass, or the importance of dual subwoofers, or top mistakes. It's all there.
In your shoes, the answer to me seems simple. Dual PC-2000 Pro's. All day long.
Not much difference in price, but night and day in performance vs a single PC-4000.
I literally cannot hear what a subwoofer truly sounds like without a matching pair. Neither can you, or anyone else.
It's a matter of physics, and the cancellations can't be beaten into submission with brute force. 😄
Think bicycle vs unicycle. Both are rideable, but two wheels are a LOT easier and more enjoyable.
Thank you for your response, I got another question does SVS do black Fridays because it right around the corner and it would be the perfect time to buy them......(SMILEING)
They do, and it usually a big haul of Outlet items, which are used, but they still come with the same free shipping, free returns, full 5 year warranty, and the 1 year trade up.
Guaranteed to be sonically like new, but sometimes well documented imperfections.
They don't put current items on sale, due to their price guarantee.
But older models occasionally get second production runs at a special pricing.
The big deal is that when the sale goes live, they sell out very quickly.
Seriously, within the first hour, a LOT of the inventory disappears.
If you aren't already subscribed with notifications turned on, this is a good time of the year to do it. 😉
I agree with you mostly on this video as Im pretty sure your talking about the ported vs sealed SVS subs you have in your room. My 2 cents on the sealed vs ported subs is that it greatly depends on the size of the sealed sub that will determine the output and in some cases outgun a same size ported (depending on the manufacturer, not counting homemade subs that's a whole nother ballgame). Velodyne is one of the first makers of marketed subs and there sealed subs blend in very good with systems (I'm mainly talking about there mid to high end subs) with output that is dizzying). My point is I have owned both ported and sealed subs from SVS (which was ported) Velodyne (sealed) and currently a Paradigm Servo 15 which in my room works best for movies and music, so I think it really boils down to obviously your room, the size of the sub (if it's sealed) the manufacturer you choose and your budget that will give you what your looking for. And like +Subwoofer 101 was saying SVS has the in home trial and free shipping and you can't go wrong with that.
+Lance Simmons Yeah the comparisons are pretty specific to these 2 subs. For sure, the SB-2000's will make most non DSP ported subs look silly at depth. That Servo 15 has gobs of power, that certainly helps!
You are correct it does make a difference with having alot of power as well as I giant cabinet in a sealed sub to produce extreme low end at higher SPL's. Thanks for continuing to bring great subwoofer comparisons and educating those that may not know the ins and outs of good subwoofing!
a sealed box drops off at 12DB per octave below F3 while a ported box drops off at 24DB per octave below F3 OR its tuning frequency. a sealed box with an F3 of 40HZ will have much more low end than a ported box with an F# of 40HZ.
Can you please explain in a more layman term? If I turn the sealed subwoofer on at a highter volume than the ported subwoofer, would they sound the same or close?
@Mark Godfrey Nope, SCIENCE. Look it up. xD
I'd love to see what the SVS SB-1000 can do as far as output below 20 Hz. I passed by an opportunity to buy an SVS SB-12NSD with the SVS Isopath feet for around $400 and I am regretting that.
+jonlaw16 I wonder too. The effects of room gain with sealed subs is confusing. You can speculate, but having them in your room with a microphone to measure is the only way to know. Keep an eye on their outlet section. You still get 100% Bill of Rights, including free shipping, trade up and 5 years on driver and amp. Unheard of really.
What would be better for Home Cinema mainly movies and tv, PB-1000 or SB-1000? Thanks
I would go with PB-1000's, duals would be ideal.
I own a SVS PB12-NSD in a 13x16 home theater room. Would I benefit from upgrading to a SB 2000 or PB 2000?
just curious would you go dual pb2000 or 1 sb16 ultra?
Easy choice for me, dual PB-2000's. I prefer ported subs to begin with, but the same answer would apply for a PB-16 ultra. Duals are that important.
Thanks! I guess i have made up my mind. Duals it is!
Awesome stuff m8. Love your insight.
Thank you!
New viewer on an "old" video here! Im on a budget and just saw that the discontinued svs sb12-nsd is on the svs outlet for just $400. Its 400w rms and a sealed 12" sub. I currently have older dual 10" ported Klipsch 200w rms. U think i should go for dual sb12-nsd? Twice the power is what is attacking me! Im a movie type of guy and i dont think wife or kids have any discomforts with loud sound, as we usually watch movies together. Thanks!
Sealed are less efficient. So it takes more power to deliver the same oomph. Today's video includes an announcement about their President's day sale, worth checking out.
If you do go with sealed, be sure to use my Gain Hack, makes a big difference with SB12, SB-1000 and SB-2000. If it were me, I'd go with dual PB-1000's since you like movies.
This is more comprehensive: www.subwoofer101.com/ported-vs-sealed/
I have ported klipsch r112sw they have mild punch and vibrate everything with really low stuff Wich I don't like I'm not into rap stuff. I'm looking for more of that kick to the chest at like a rock metal concert. You saying sealed will give me more of that? That hard kick to the chest almost makes you wanna close your eyes at the kick
I'm even more confused now than 15mins ago. was set on the sb2000 due to the size and it's slightly cheaper but I'm now leaning towards pc2000
Looks like I missed your comment, sorry about that. Both will be good, it's just a preference thing. The pros and cons chart in the article may help. www.subwoofer101.com/ported-vs-sealed/
Thanks for the video i've been waiting for this video :)
+Unexpected Sensation I actually published it a little out of order because I know you and another viewer was looking forward to it. Hope it was helpful!
+Subwoofer 101 Thanks again for the video. After that video im not getting a sealed sub i have the same problem with my ears i if it is too much punch or to boomy my ears hurt the ported sounds better to me smoother and not that kick drum bass,one other question does the pb 1000 play tighter than the pb 2000 because of it's smaller driver or do they play /sound the same with music?
+Unexpected Sensation I prefer the PB-2000's. Both sound great, the PB-2000's just don't have to work as hard. Splitting hairs at this level, I went a few weeks between the two and the difference is small enough that I can't be certain from memory. The only things that would cause me to choose the PB-1000's over the PB-2000's are economics and available space.
what about dual subs done in one of each? one sealed, one ported?
+pepeltoro444 It's better to have matched subs, in my opinion.
thats what i have and i dig it
Subwoofer 101 Why is that?
Agree with you. Sealed is the way to go with music with duals. Just ordered four Dayton ho 18 inch subwoofer to go sealed. Want to get a mini dsp but the learning curve looks kinda hard. Great video as usual.
+Bon Scott That's why a sub has to have a factory DSP to make the list, the 2x4 is a little intimidating. Oddly enough, I prefer the ported for music. Check out the article, my reasons aren't common.
Subwoofer 101 got those who might be interested. Here's a well laid out guide for minidsp 2x4. It's what I used.
www.minidsp.com/support/community-powered-tutorials/201-dual-sub-integration
Would love to have a pb 1000 (never heard it though), but i need a smaller one (sb 1000).
Will eventually ship it back to my home country (Reason for wanting a smaller one), but we watch movies often (compared to listening to music - i have my open back headphones for that).
So sb 1000 then?
Sb 2000 at least. My opinion
I like your videos about subs. I'm thinking about getting PB1000 for my home theater room. But would like to know how much of difference will the PB 2000 be compared to PB 1000
Thanks, here you go: www.subwoofer101.com/pb-1000-vs-pb-2000/
Subwoofer 101 exactly what I was looking for. Thanks again. Another question may be you can answer. In a duel sub set up can we combine a 10" and a 12". Will that deteriorate the performance. I have a psw10 can I use that with a PB2000
Ideally you want matching subs. Unmatched subs may be better than a single sub, but not as good as matching subs. It can be OK, and it can be a mess.
Thank you!! One more q? Is PSW10 a match with PB-1000 both being a 10 inch drivers. I have a dedicated media room (16*20*10) using R-25C and pair of R-28F's.
The difference in performance and deeper response should be pretty noticeable. Dual PB-1000s should sound better to you than a PB-1000/PSW10 combo. If you decide to try a single first, you'll probably quickly decide to go with another soon.
Thanks for the detailed explanations.
What about having one PB-1000 & one SB-1000 would this work getting best of both worlds? Would they compliment each other or what it be a disaster??
As I understand the dual sub effect to work, you want the signal and the sound to be as identical as possible. You're not the first to ask this, so don't feel bad, but I would say keep the subs as closely matched as you can. Probably wouldn't be a dumpster fire, but it wouldn't be nearly as good as identical subs. I'll have to try it at some point, but even 2 ported subs unmatched seemed off to me.
+Subwoofer 101 thanks. Yeah you should, excuse to get a new video out ;)
Nice review... What about the opposite. You talked about a SB-2000 in Home Cinema but what about the PB-2000 sub in 2.1 music ? Does it sound allright ? not too muffled or so ? Tx
I really like the way ported SVS Subs sound for music, and I buck the trend in that I prefer ported subs for music. That's not typical, but I'm 70% music, so music is more important to me than movies.
I would go 2.2, as duals allow you to hear ALL of the bass. With a single, no matter how good your room correction is, and what the measurements suggest, you're still missing response that would normally be there with duals. I call that Swiss Cheese Bass.
I'd easily split my budget for dual PB-1000's over a single PB-2000. The PB-2000 is one of my favorite subwoofers, but duals make that much of a difference. I would say especially for music, go dual.
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Thanks for your precise answer which help me to understand a little bit more all the possibilities subs can offer. I have checked the link but it redirected me to www.svsound.com/products/pb-2000. Strange
Glad to help! Yes, my affiliate link will deliver you to that product page. It's a digital way for SVS to know that I sent you. If you click that link before ordering, it supports this channel.
OK I am living in Europe (Belgium) so I am obliged to buy from a retailer. SVS subs here are much more expensive . Thanks for your time !
Salut Nicolas, je suis également Belge et compte commander un svs PB-2000 à un magasin près de chez moi (Nivelles). l'importateur Belge : Comfortline
I forgot to add, thanks +Subwoofer 101, another great video!
Thanks Lance!
I sure have learned a lot from your videos. Have you had any need for those isolation feet that SVS sells?
+E.Kent.D Thanks! Actually yes. My floor is a pinch uneven, and one sub creates a rattle in my wall heater. I'm going to try out the isolation feet soon. Sub isolation is a good idea, and the feet are a low visual impact solution. There are other solutions too, but they are pretty noticeable. I used some rubber floor mats with OK results, but it didn't look very good.
I was thinking of setting one on some tennis balls. :) Hey, might work.
Hmm. Keep them from rolling around and maybe. Maybe cut them in half?
Use duct tape around them to hold em together. Good old duct tape, millions of uses.... :) I will probably spend the fifty bucks.
I just saw a video by dixielandfarm. He used racquetballs cut in half to keep a turntable from vibrating. Said they cost about a dollar each. I spent the fifty bucks for the isolation feet.
Which receiver do you prefer?
Denon x3000 series amzn.to/2bwPmg9 (affiliate links)
Denon X4000 series amzn.to/2bNUgHC
Onkyo RZ 800 amzn.to/2bFntEi
All of which can power a really decent setup on their own, or you can add an external amp like an Outlaw 5000 amzn.to/2bHlDzS or 7125 amzn.to/2brD5aD which would deliver a lot more power (2-3 times the power).
I still own the X2000 but wish I had gotten the X3000 at the time so I could add amps. The X4000 series is pretty great all around if you can swing it.
Do you get the ear pressure from cars too? I get it from SUVs and hatchbacks, probably due to the open rear of the vehicle. I have had persistent ear pressure in my left ear for the past 7 months and have had a terrible time tracking down a solution. It's torture!
Yeah that's wind buffeting in the car or SUV.
Ear problems suck. There are all kinds of things, and sometimes it's not something you would expect.
Blood pressure medication can make a difference, as in the medication causing it.
Slight infection.
I wish you luck in figuring it out, and it's definitely worth doing so.
I used to get tired and fatigued listening to my sealed subwoofer, but I guess the sound can grow on you. I now prefer sealed over any ported sub.
What do you think causes the fatigue? Is it air pressure? Id like tight sound for music but the fatigue doesnt sound fun. I get ear fatigue from my closed back headphones so I suspect it might be similar
Some people can and do get used to the sound. It was better after a month, but I still couldn't get used to it to the point of enjoyment. Really sucks for my channel.
My theory is that the sealed enclosure changes the pressure in the room slightly as the driver goes in and out. Almost like going up and down in altitude quickly. I'm talking about very small pressure changes, but apparently enough to feel it.
With a ported box, you have a pressure relief. As the sub goes out, air flows in and vise versa. That's the best way I can think to describe it.
@@Subwoofer101 Thanks for the reply, my closed headphones make me feel air pressure and I don't enjoy listening to them for long, I get tired.
The sealed sub issue seems similar, but maybe to a lesser extent. I'll have to read more on this and hopefully demo ported vs sealed somewhere.
I'm 90% music, 10% movies, besides the sealed has the tight sound and so much higher wife acceptance factor - I like beautiful things as well, so it doesn't seem like an easy choice!
How about going dual but one sb and one pb? Would thta help for music and home theater?
I'd stick with matched duals. Ideally, you want the bass identical.
Subwoofer 101 thank you sir
Subwoofer 101 Why is that?
This was my Question as well.
I think that would be a good idea being asthough the towers he has are made with 2 seperately tuned base drivers
Have you ever been to an IMAX(not LIEMAX) theater? That was the first time I had heard bass so low, but so loud. They say they reach 23hz comfortably and the sound to me was awesome. I wonder if the sound characteristics of the pb-2000 are similar to that of the IMAX subs. I wanted more punch in my chest though. Not sure if it's because of the volume or frequency ranch of their subs.
+acelakid94 I wonder what the Imax graphs look like? The PB-2000's are comfortable down to 14 hertz in my room, so I'll let you draw your own conclusions. For all reasonable purposes, since my hearing ability falls off around 17 hertz, both the PB-2000's and the SB-2000's are essentially bottomless to me, a great quality in a sub.
Being "comfortable" down to 23 hertz leaves some room for interpretation, but I expect that it's on the up and up. When I say comfortable, I mean the point at which the subs start to roll off, where others might consider comfortable to be at -3db or even worse -6db. For sure, the difference between real Imax and standard theaters is undeniable.
It's been a long time since I went to an Imax theater, I saw Avatar when it came out at the real Tempe, AZ Imax. I've also been to a the Imax at the Grand Canyon, also a real Imax. I was impressed with the sound, although that was long before hearing the kind of equipment I enjoy now. I should go see an Imax for a more up to date comparison.
I wasn't aware of the Lie Max problem, I'm just fortunate that the theaters I have visited are real. Good thing for people to look out for when going to an Imax. Thanks for the feedback!
johncanfield.me/blog/brand-confused-world-imax-liemax/
Subwoofer 101 I see. I don't hear anything after 17hz either. For me the IMAX subs weren't tactile enough. I'm going to see the Batman vs Superman movie in an IMAX theater with Buttkickers (tactile transducers) under the seats soon, so hopefully that fixes my super low bass need or at least help it out a bit.
On another note, accurate punchy bass in music is important to me in music, so I think I'll be looking at getting a pair of sb-2000s thanks to your review :)
+acelakid94 Nice, that was my goal. I knew some people would have their own preferences a little different than mine. Glad it helped!
Great video, I was waiting for your summary. I have a dilemma regarding this subject. I own the pb2000 with svs ultra bookshelves.
Now I want to add another sub not to play loader, but to even the room response which is bad in my case. I have heard the sb 2000 and it was amazing, I never heard a "tight" base before, now I can understand why they are called more musical.
My question is what if you mix them, one ported ond one sealed? I want to know if I can enjoy both worlds movies and music!
Can you give me your though on this, or even better try it and make a video :).
I think it will be a great experiment!
When going dual, you should always go for the same subs if you can. In your case, get another PB-2000. I don't know why you think you'd get the best of both worlds if you have both the ported and sealed running at the same time. They would cancel out each others' benefits or something. And it may sound weird due to their different speeds and frequency responses.
+Ferrari1996HS Hi, thank you for the response. is what your saying is a fact or your guess? I ask that because I want to be sure of the outcome when combining the two. I have the pb2000 and I want to make the right choice. I don't think there suppose to be an issue due to dual sub calibration. I am running the pioneer elite lx-58 which supports dual sub calibration. i just wonder how it will sound? +Subwoofer 101 if your willing to test it I will be ever grateful, as you already have both subs right there in your living room :)! I live outside the US/Canada so free shipping in not an option for me :(.
+mickey penker It's a guess. I would always go with the same sub if going dual but it's up to you. Is your sub used for mainly music or movies?
+mickey penker It's a great idea for an experiment, but I've already sent the SB-2000's back! My suspicion is that running unmatched sub configurations is not optimal, but I did not try a ported and a sealed at the same time. I was so excited for the PB-2000's that trying to run mismatched did not cross my mind. I've run mismatched ported subs and was not thrilled with the results. It was better than a single, but still off to me, where identical subs sound wonderful.
My theory is that your subs should put out identical signal to get the waves to interact perfectly. I tried varying phase of one sub slightly to correct a null, and while it did correct the graph, the experience was off, and I have no idea of how to describe it. The graph looked great, but my ears disagreed.
I suspect that I would not like running a ported and a sealed together, but that is purely speculation. If the SB-2000 you heard is a friend of yours, maybe you could arrange an experiment with that sub, or take yours to that location?
Bummer about the shipping thing (being outside of the US) because it would be easy enough to try and send back if it didn't work. To me, the safe bet would be getting another PB-2000, but you liked the SB-2000, and you may want to shift to dual sealed. Was the SB-2000 in a single or dual configuration? That can color your opinion of the experience. I actually enjoy the ported subs with music more than the sealed subs because of the emphasis at depth (music sounds "bigger") and the ear comfort issue. I don't envy your dilemma.
+Subwoofer 101 thank you for your reply! Well I heard the sub at my local retailer. It was a single sub. But I have done some reading and found that indeed as you both suggested that mixing would be a bad idea.
Something about fase issues, so I guess that another pb2000 would do. Don't get me wrong, I think that the pb2000 is great, but I think because of the sub location in my living room the potential is not reflected. The demo room was well treated and the sub was better localized for that room.
Thank you SVS!! This was the time, I know it won‘t be an independent review and I was right!
I want to know you answer on this subwoofer 101.Ok do you think it would be better to have DUAL pb-2000s.Over having 1 PB-13 Ultra.Now the Ultra it hit's a little deeper from what i was told.But really the different here is a inch difference in driver size .And $500 BUCKS OF DIFFERENT'S.I really do want to try out a PB-2000.But my mind tells me to just get a PB-13 Ultra again.Now this ultra or PB-2000 is going to go into a small room that ti 9 by 12 maybe 9 x 11.8 foot walls so yeah i know a Ultra would be overkill.But that's ok for me.I just don't want to have a subwoofer that is not working right in my room.Mind you the ultra of PB-2000s dual or not will not be staying in my room for ever.What should i do.I heard a pb 13 ultra.but not a pb-2000.
+joseph10704 Easy. Dual PB-2000's all day long. Not that the PB-13 ultra isn't outstanding, but 2 subs iron out room response, and I consider duals essential. Save the $500 or step up to dual PB 12 plus.
+Subwoofer 101 Really i think your right.You know i did something bad.When i got into SVS subs for the first time.I did a no no.I got the BEST SUBWOOFER THEY MADE.THE PB-13 ULTRA.Now doing that makes me kinda mad because anything i buy from SVS i am not getting as powerful as the Ultra.UNless i got dual with a Plus or Maybe 3 PB-2000s.But none the less i got to start somewhere.I am thinking about trying out a PB-2000.My birthday is almost here.In may 9th.I will be 26 So yeah might buy my self a birthday gift.to try out.
+joseph10704 I thought I did the same thing with the vtf. No chance anything else would do, but duals really do pull it off. Two PB 13 ultras would be epic of course, but two PB-2000's are absolutely NOT lackluster, they deliver. If you run out of headroom with dual PB-2000's, you're going to need hearing aides. Whatever you decide, keep me posted!
Hello you told me to test the svs and im up for a test..:-)
But i wounder wich to go with, with my room size..
svs pb2000 or sb2000 my qustion is what you suggest.? my room is 20 feet long and 10 feet wide and 6 feet in ceiling height. Ported or seald..? I'm watching movies 99% of the time. Hope you can help me deside.
Best regards
Peter
Easy choice for me. Dual PB-2000 all day long. Or, this: czcams.com/video/_SYx8TbTYdA/video.html
You picked the right time for a test!
Definitely, definitely go dual. I cannot effectively communicate how much better it is.
Subwoofer 101
You don't Think the pb2000 is going to sound boomy in my pretty small room and its better to go for the sb2000 when the room is smaller..?
And yes i am going dual..:-)
I dont live in US so can have that deal..:-( hopefully they have that drive in Sweden also this weekend..
Subwoofer 101
Should you chosen 2 of pb2000 over youst 1 svs pb16 Ultra or pb13 ultra..?
Yeah, dual PB-2000's will be fine in a room that size. Definitely duals over a larger single. The PB-2000's are excellent for movies, I think you'll really enjoy them. I would keep your seating 2-3 feet away from the walls if you can manage it.
Subwoofer 101
Are there a big diffrent betwin the svs pb12 and pb2000 do you Think i notice in my room..? Its better price for the pb12 now but is better to go for the pb2000 anyway..?
Do sealed subs have more pressure because they have more cone travel?
this is a nice little side gig you got going here.
It's pretty enjoyable, and the commute isn't too bad...🙂
oh you read comments! cool. So....I have a question if you have time.
I'm using Pioneer esf-73 speakers with a yamaha as-801 for my 2.0 stereo right now.
For me, acoustic sounds amazing on my system, for the price i paid.
So in choosing a sub, well... my speakers are ported and the bass seems "tight" for me.(@ 40hz)
What I WANT in a sub is just deeper bass, not louder.
I dont know if i find SB irritating. but i do plan on having the sub turned LOW on the gain.
SB or PB, and.... 2x 1000's or 1x 2000? :)
thank you thank you
I'm actually uploading a video right now about subwoofer gain, which should be live tomorrow.
If you're not wanting to have a lot of bass, dual PB-1000's should make you a very happy camper. Plenty of depth, and what sounds like more output than you require. I enjoyed them a lot, and I could easily live with them indefinitely. Great subs.
I always suggest splitting your budget over ANY single sub. That's something I learned a while back, and I will never go back to a single subwoofer willingly. Parts of the content is missing, and you get what I call "Swiss Cheese Bass". With duals, you get much better overall response, and I also find it easier on the ears.
Dual PB-2000's, being $550 more, will go deeper than you can hear (14 hertz in room) with PLENTY of headroom. Whether the added depth is worth it to you is the question, but I absolutely advise dual PB-1000's over a single PB-2000. All day, every day.
These might help you get ahead of the curve:
www.subwoofer101.com/pb-1000-vs-pb-2000/
To help understand large vs small speaker settings, and how it will ultimately affect the sound:
www.subwoofer101.com/setting-up-your-gear/large-vs-small-lfe-main-double-bass-etc/
If you can follow one of these links before you order, it helps support my little gig here. You don't have to follow the exact link for the subwoofer you want to order, it's just a digital way of saying I sent you there.
sub101.link/PB-1000
sub101.link/PB-2000
Either option should give you a pretty awesome 2.2 setup. My biggest requirement is depth, and the PB-1000's are very strong to 21 hertz, and still good to 19 hertz. Most subs start to taper off between 30-40 hertz, while SVS subs are just clearing their throats.
I have been torn between the SB2000 Pro & the PB2000 Pro. I want a sub more for music than for a home theater setup yet I listen to a lot of bass heavy electronic music that reaches down to the lowest of frequencies (not mid ranged electronic music that's more main stream). It seems like the consensus online is that the SB is better for music and the PB is better for home theater due to its larger output and lower frequency range. How ever the response on the PB seems to be almost as flat as the SB. I would be doing most of my listening in a small bedroom that's about 10x10ft and a living room that's 20x20ft. I also produce music a little bit and want an accurate sub.
Go sealed
Your poor experience with sealed subs is curious. In my experience, ported subs introduce a few spurious sounds, like ringing, chuffing, and loss of phase coherence. Especially phase change, or time delay. To me these things are hard for a manufacturer to overcome - few do.
I wonder if the more linear output of the SB2000 isn't exciting things in your listening environment, like rattling your fireplace or silverware and causing the discomfort that is annoying to you. Have you tried addressing room vibrations with a good slow tone sweep? Does your discomfort vary with different source material?
The rattles had been sorted out long before the SB-2000's, it wasn't that. I'm not the only one to experience some discomfort with sealed boxes, some people just have that sensitivity. I agree that few ported subs sound great. Ported SVS subs are known for sounding great with excellent manners. It's pretty much their thing. Everybody has their preferences. I like ported subs, other guys will only have sealed subs. Neither are wrong.