Emry, Lurker of the Loch | Turn 1 Win - The Brewery [S01E22]

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  • Greetings, everyone! Welcome to The Commander Tavern! I am Demented Kirby and this is the 22nd episode of the first season one of the series on this channel, The Brewery. This series is all about brewing and deck techs - hopefully showcasing the spiciest of brews!
    In this episode of The Brewery I present my take on Emry, Lurker of the Loch. Urza might be all the rage in the cEDH scene but I see so much potential in Emry that I decided to take my shot at a cEDH deck with Emry at the helm. The deck is chocked full of infinite combos where all its pieces can synergize together. This allows for over 200 different combinations of parts that can provide a win through infinity. Notwithstanding, with enough luck, you can win on Turn 1!
    If you want to easily see the deck list and its stats, here's the link:
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    As always, thanks to all you viewers for your interest! Comment down below how you would build around Emry, Lurker of the Loch. If you're also interested in combo, which cards would you include? Comment down below! You can also tweet me @CommanderTavern.
    Special thanks in particular to ecos889 for catching a mistake in the first version of this video. Thankfully, I had enough time to fix and reupload the video without too many people seeing it and getting confused. Thank you so much for having caught it so early on!
    CLARIFICATION:
    In the Turn1 scenario, the Lightning Greaves need to be equipped back and forth between Emry and Mirran Spy in order for Emry to be targeted by it. The combo still works and is viable, but you just have to do that extra step. Thanks to Federico Abellá for catching onto that!
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  • @TheCommanderTavern
    @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety +25

    CLARIFICATION:
    In the Turn1 scenario, the Lightning Greaves need to be equipped back and forth between Emry and Mirran Spy in order for Emry to be targeted by it. The combo still works and is viable, but you just have to do that extra step. Thanks to Federico Abellá for catching onto that!

    • @namejeppe7
      @namejeppe7 Před 3 lety +1

      Why not just include thousand year elixir for the haste aswell?

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 3 lety

      @@namejeppe7 Thousand-Year Elixir is definitely up for grabs as a potential Turn 0 win thanks to Jeweled Lotus, which is definitely worth including here.

  • @manadork4130
    @manadork4130 Před 4 lety +10

    This deck tech is insane

  • @crovax1375
    @crovax1375 Před 4 lety +10

    This is the combo deck that I imagined when Emry was announced! I think that a cost reducer like Helm of Awakening and Conjurer's Bubble for infinite card draw may be worth considering

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety +2

      Thanks!
      Yeah, definitely. It was so hard finding space in the deck for cards! I also considered Cloud Key and Foundry Inspector as well for reducing the cost of artifacts but ultimately decided on maximizing how many 0-costed artifacts/creatures to include. So those suggestions are definitely viable.

  • @spacefreak5064
    @spacefreak5064 Před 3 lety +3

    Thanks so much for this amazing deck tech! I am currently building this deck to shake up the lots and lots of creature based decks in my playgroup. They won't know what hit 'em.
    Also Emry is no basis for a system of goverment, but a solid basis for a commander of a cEDH deck! ^^

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 3 lety +1

      You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed it!

    • @spacefreak5064
      @spacefreak5064 Před 3 lety

      @@TheCommanderTavern Almost done building it ^^ Just a quick question: I don't see that much card draw in the deck and am honestly a bit worried that I'll get stuck on a hand full of one side of the loops and missing pieces. Sure there are tutors but still it seems like there isn't much draw in there for a mono blue deck. If I could have your thoughts on that I would love to hear them!
      All the best ^^

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 3 lety +2

      @@spacefreak5064 It might seem scary to have a blue deck without a ton of draw like Preordain, Brainstorm, and others but honestly, tutors are all you really need since there's so much consistency. I'd rather pay 2U for a TrMage and get exactly what I need than pay U for a Preordain.
      That being said, there are some card draw options that have come out since this episode was released (War Room, Endless Atlas, and others) that can definitely find a home here. For example, Thassa's Oracle was also released after this episode so you can definitely take out both Jace and LabMan for Thoracle and Endless Atlas and an island for War Room. That would be some improvements right off the top of my head.

    • @spacefreak5064
      @spacefreak5064 Před 3 lety +1

      @@TheCommanderTavern Thx for the quick answer ^^
      Yeah Thoracle is already in the deck. I'll just have a few games with the deck as is and if it turns out I want more draw I'll cut some stuff for more draw spells. Yeah the deck has got so many combos and is very consistent so tutors might be enough to do the trick :D

  • @satansamael666
    @satansamael666 Před 2 lety +1

    Another win con is mind’s desire by casting the entire deck.

  • @commandprotec1602
    @commandprotec1602 Před 4 lety +5

    This makes me wonder why I don't see emry more often! Shes my favorite commander by far. She fun, versatile, and a deck that has super degenerate infinite loops... Whats not to love ;)

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety +2

      I know, right? What I love most is that there's so many different ways to go infinite between so many different interactions that it's very difficult to disrupt her. It's also a lot of fun since it's not super linear; you don't have to always assemble the same cards to go infinite.

  • @pedrosequeira9829
    @pedrosequeira9829 Před 4 lety +1

    Ya'll need to not just give 9k+ views, but hit that like button :P
    Great job with the video, especially how you connect the different cards and interactions to make a logical, cohesive video.

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety +1

      Thanks! Glad you liked it!
      It took a long time to develop this particular episode because I'd always find some insane interaction whenever I tested and played with the deck. I'm sure there's plenty more post-ELD like Thassa's Oracle from THB. But what I love most is that it's not linear in the slightest. And even if you do get disrupted, you can just try and put different pieces to the engines to keep them going. There's literally hundreds of ways to assemble a game-winning combo. Monoblue is just icing on the cake since I can protect said combos with counter magic.

    • @pedrosequeira9829
      @pedrosequeira9829 Před 4 lety +1

      @@TheCommanderTavern Yeah, although she does suffer a lot against some hate staples like Collector Ouphe and Rest In Peace, but you can still get it done

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety

      @@pedrosequeira9829 Definitely. That's when you have to hope she plays really quickly or you're able to have that counter magic at hand to stop those cards from even reaching the battlefield.

  • @ecos889
    @ecos889 Před 4 lety +2

    Nice erata their dude. :) But yeah from the last comment you sent me from the previous video indeed using the immortal elixer does work too so you can live the turn zero dream. ;)
    Also do not worry too much about mistakes like that I brewed many a deck where I got so excited about certain interactions that did not work too. Getting too excited when deck building and making mistakes comes with the territory but still makes deck building fun XD

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety +1

      Thanks to you for pointing it out to me! You were able to do it early enough that I was able to fix it and upload it without having lost too much time. So thanks!
      Yeah, I always get excited when I get inspired brewing decks. That's why I love commander so much. The challenge of brewing strategies that can go together or maybe not but sometimes do plus the limitations of color, meta, budget, etc. No other format has inspired me or made me a better brewer than commander has.

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety +1

      Yeah, Thousand-Year Elixir could substitute Lightning Greaves in the godhand for a Turn 0 win but it costs 1 more mana to cast and thus it isn't currently possible to win on Turn 0 with Emry :(

  • @Mediamatix
    @Mediamatix Před rokem +1

    I am finally building this deck, even if though making the budget swaps suggested at the end ... and a few more. :3
    Here some alternative cheap self sacrificing combo pieces for the ETB loops:
    [Delif's Cone] - {0} mana artifact, sacs itself to get you some life, but probably won't.
    [Dark Sphere] - {0} mana artifact, sacs itself prevent half the damage of a course
    And maybe as additional sac outlet:
    [Claws of Gix] - {0} mana artifact, sacs a permanent for {1} mana (would loop with a sol ring)

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před rokem

      True, they're not the best but they're still decent suggestions :P

    • @Mediamatix
      @Mediamatix Před rokem +1

      ​@@TheCommanderTavern I ended up ordering a full set of proxies from this deck to try it... and good lord it performs! Amazing brew you got here!! O_O
      Imo the cost-to-performance mvp is lotus petal. Had a few turn 2/3 wins with that one. I believe I will end up investing into that one and maybe a mana vault, and exchange the more expensive ones for artifact tutors like [Tolaria West] to get em. Transmute means there is no countering the tutor, and if they counter the artifact we cast it from the GY. :3

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před rokem

      @@Mediamatix Awesome! Glad the video was helpful! Hopefully you're able to build the deck and keep kicking ass with it :P

  • @MagicTaco27
    @MagicTaco27 Před 4 lety +2

    amazing

  • @arthurkapp7925
    @arthurkapp7925 Před 3 lety +1

    My competitive deck is Prime Speaker Vannifar BUT , instead of using artifacts for the mambo jambo to work , I use scary green creatures that keep her untapping until Protean Hulk wins the game for me , thing is , this one is actually more difficult to counter ..... loved it
    I literally just opened my "rare and mythical extra cards box" and thought "You actually can be put to work" when got to her , damn

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 3 lety

      Thanks! Glad you loved it!
      Yeah, Prime Speaker Vannifar is no joke. Being a Birthing Pod on a body in the command zone in GU is hella busted.

  • @sarahkrenzel2887
    @sarahkrenzel2887 Před 4 lety +3

    Me: Wow this seems like a cool way to play Emry
    Me: Looks up cards on tcgplayer
    Me:......
    Me:......
    Me: Has heart attack
    Me: Never mind

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety

      Lol, you don't need Lion's Eye Diamond, the moxes, Mana Crypt, of the fetchlands to run the deck. If you watch until the end, I show what budget cuts to make the deck cost. Particularly here: czcams.com/video/BP11K-HryEA/video.html Doing those cuts makes the deck cost about $1200 less.

    • @supernoodles908
      @supernoodles908 Před 4 lety +1

      @@TheCommanderTavern ... Proxy gang

  • @Polo23R0
    @Polo23R0 Před 3 lety +1

    I can't tell how many times I've seen this video and I still think is the best EDH analysys made for this girl. Thanks so much! Btw, I opened a Jeweled lotus recently, do you think it's worth adding to the deck?

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks! It's very humbling to have someone rewatch my videos multiple times :P
      Jeweled Lotus is definitely an autoinclude here. It helps in getting Emry out even more effectively on early turns It's also free to cast. But, while useless with Emry in play, it can still be used to tap for mana with Urza or to sacrifice for mana, or for many of the other engines that take advantage of 0-costed artifacts.

  • @lukasazdanovic6477
    @lukasazdanovic6477 Před 4 lety +3

    TURN 0 WIN: (Disclaimer, any blue deck can do this) Start game with leyline of anticipation then turn 0 cast mana crypt then mana vault. With now 4 colourless mana in your pool, cast isochron scepter exiling dramatic reversal and use the remaining 2 mana to start the loop. With infinite mana cast Walking Ballista and murder everyone before they even started! :D

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety

      Luka Sazdanovic XD as you said, that’s possible with any deck running blue ;)

    • @joshuasmith2981
      @joshuasmith2981 Před 4 lety

      @@TheCommanderTavern however. You said casting Emry turn 0 wasnt possible so I'd like to give a scenario where you can. Obviously leyline, drop 2 artifacts pay 2 blue profit. It might need to be 3 depending on what artifacts you drop

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety

      @@joshuasmith2981 The thing is, Emry would need haste in order to be usable Turn 0. So while it is possible to cast her Turn 0, you can't win with her Turn 0 (yet, at least).

    • @joshuasmith2981
      @joshuasmith2981 Před 4 lety

      @@TheCommanderTavern right

  • @nosoyeliud8416
    @nosoyeliud8416 Před 4 lety +2

    You can also play, altar pod the brood for the gave storm, Pilgrim´s aura or freed from the real + Emry + lion´s = GG... genesis chamber works well... then, not a kill combo, but a good card to add is "wizard replica" (an artifact counterspell)... if you play catadion, myr moonveesel and some reduction cost, you can untap Emry with umbral mantle.... perilious myr reduce in one the pieces of the gravetorm combo.... myr sire gives you another way to get infinite mana with ashnolds altar or ironworks....
    if you can win in turn one.... you can control the game with other utility artifacts, spell bomb, alchemist´s vial (cheep but good in this deck) winter, static and dreams orbs..... scroll of griselbrand.... silent arbiter, crawlspace, torpor orb (because the untap trigger of chakram and mirran is n cast) and smokestack.
    (so plis excuse my English... )
    I love your video!! and your deck list ^^"

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety

      Thanks! Glad you liked the video!
      Those are all great suggestions. Of those, I did consider Altar of the Brood as a way to mill out all opponents. But I've seen too many decks running eldrazi titans so I didn't slot it in; I decided to focus more on having multiple ways to assemble the main combo with Emry.

  • @mageguild
    @mageguild Před 4 lety +4

    You should add aether spellbomb and scroll of avacyn, when you have inf mana they can draw the deck since they self sacrifice to draw. Same thing for chromatic sphere and chromatic star

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety +2

      For sure, they're definitely worth considering since eggs are built-in cantrips. However, when first considering the deck I wanted to try and see how much I can do with the cheapest possible artifacts.

    • @mageguild
      @mageguild Před 4 lety +1

      The Commander Tavern sweet keep at it man , nice video. Take a look at my take on the deck and let me know what you think :
      tappedout.net/mtg-decks/emry-lurker-of-the-win-cedh/

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety +1

      @@mageguild Sorry for the late reply! It seems that CZcams considered this comment to be spam and I hadn't realized it. Once I check it out and analyze I'll definitely give you my feedback!

  • @MrTiddles69
    @MrTiddles69 Před 3 lety +1

    I’m running this deck and I love it! Some crazy stuff and everyone always hates a turn 1 emry, I have even kept a few no land hands. Please explain why the xx spells like hangerback or ballista are better? Surely the 0 cost creatures are better when you don’t have infinite mana?

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks! Glad you liked it!
      The thing is, Hangarback Walker and Walking Ballista can be cast for X = 0 still triggering the same shenanigans as the other 0-costed artifact creatures. However, once you have infinite mana, then Walking Ballista is a wincon, which is why it serves double duty in the deck.

  • @returnoftheduelist9790
    @returnoftheduelist9790 Před 4 lety +1

    I just started playing a week ago and git a cheap $50 ponza scheme deck for modern, the timeless wisdom starter deck for commander (with some ikoria pulls added in) and i built a mono blue commander deck with emry as the commander. This is what i needed and i so car have under $100 in it but i see some other good cheap options you have that are definitely going in. I also have cheaper jace planeswalkers and will kenrith so if i want a mono blue that nots artifact heavy i can play kenrith as my commander or something.

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety +1

      That's great! Welcome to the format!
      Yeah, Emry is such a great value engine enabler that you don't really need to add all the expensive cards to it to get a great deck. A lot of the enablers in my deck are incredibly cheap. But since I built a very competitive version then it does have a lot of fast mana like the moxes, Lion's Eye Diamond, and Mana Crypt. That being said, you definitely don't need any of those for the deck to work.

  • @fede689
    @fede689 Před 4 lety +3

    In order to untap Emry with Mirran Spy on your turn-1 win scenario, you'd need to constantly be shifting lightning greaves from Emry to the Spy in between tapping Emry and casting the Lotus Petal from the graveyard. Otherwise, Spy can't target Emry to untap her. Just an extra step, but doesn't make the combo impossible.

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety +1

      Thanks for clearing that up! I also forgot to actually say "equip the greaves onto Emry" but you're right; they need to be juggled back and forth for it to work. Thanks for catching that!

  • @Prvosienko
    @Prvosienko Před 4 lety +1

    I play this deck (without the most expensive moxen etc.) and it is very strong, but the bottleneck I identified is that having only 4 untappers in the deck is way too little (spy, chakram, thornbite, dramatic scepter). It is hard to find these consistently and quickly. But when you have those, it's really hard to stop Emry going ham.

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety

      Yeah, it's definitely a deck that will get better the more new untappers get printed. At least as it is, it's more fair to opponents. But once similar cards are printed to give it more consistency, it'll be even more evil >:D

  • @maciejnowak666
    @maciejnowak666 Před 4 lety +1

    Thanks for the tip regarding the term 1 win. You forgot to mention a very important step when someone win on turn one; you need to call the judge immediately and report the players DCI number. They are cheating.

  • @Mirvana
    @Mirvana Před 4 lety +1

    Altar of the Brood says hello. You can trigger it with infinite permanents-ETB'ing just with your untapper and any self-sac'ing artifact. It's CMC=1 so you have more available tutors for it as well. Seems a more consistent route than the self-mill plan since it needs considerably fewer cards in hand/play than say going through Lab Maniac or Jace. You're only boned if there's an Ulamog or such free-reshuffle in someone's deck; at which point you just pivot to one of the other win-routes for that player. Everyone else is dead on their draw-step.
    I'd drop Maniac, Jace, Vedalken Archmage, Mystic Forge and Island for
    Altar of the Brood
    Arcbound Ravager (infinite P/T sac-outlet)
    Tolaria West
    Muddle the Mixture
    Expedition Map

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety +2

      Those are some great suggestions! However, I wouldn't eliminate Vedalken Archmage because it's inclusion isn't due to just Laboratory Maniac and Jace, Wielder of Mysteries; it's used to draw through the deck to find what I need. Being able to win off of either card is a bonus. I include both for redundancy but I guess I could swap out Laboratory Maniac for Altar of the Brood. That way the deck has one more wincon. Altar of the Brood is cheap and tutorable so it's definitely plausible.
      An Island for Tolaria West is also a sound swap since I can transmute it for any of the 0-costed artifacts. However, since there are so many of them in the deck, I don't know if it would be that impactful. That being said, it's better to be safe than to be sorry and for the same cost as any of the Tr-Mages I have another tutor. So it's definitely a great swap.
      Arcbound Ravager is a great sacrifice outlet and I definitely considered it for the deck. But, it becoming infinitely large would only deal with one opponent. Ideally, since the deck seeks to win via combo, it wants to eliminate all opponents at once.

    • @Mirvana
      @Mirvana Před 4 lety +1

      ​@@TheCommanderTavern Personally I'd rather put Riddlesmith in that slot first. It's cheaper and the loot lets us bin combo pieces. Obviously having both never hurts and we have enough flexible spots to sleeve both.
      River Kelpie is another option if you want to keep the self-mill route open. Slightly higher-cost Secrets of the Dead #2.
      Thousand-Year Elixir is also another way to give Emry "haste" and you don't have to work around Shroud or "In response to equip ability...." interactions. You can also use it to untap, albeit only once/turn.
      Selhoff Occultist lets you infinite-mill off recurring 0/0 creatures, but might be a bit narrow since that's the only loop it's working with.

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety

      @@Mirvana I considered Thousand-Year Elixir when trying to crack the puzzle of a Turn 0 Emry but since I'm one mana off, I couldn't. Sure, it gives Emry haste and has at least one activation to untap her, I felt like I could add other artifacts in the deck instead.
      I have considered Riddlesmith as a way of looting but since most of the artifacts are 0-costed, I felt like just drawing into the deck would be enough to get things done since you could cast most of what you'd draw into.

    • @Mirvana
      @Mirvana Před 4 lety +1

      ​@@TheCommanderTavern ​ Riddlesmith is half the cost of Archmage (1U vs 2UU)which is my main reason to run it first. But like I said, there's enough flexible non-combo slots to put both in for redundancy.
      Welding Jar seems like another cheerio that should be in here somewhere. 0cmc, self-sacs, protects other combo pieces if needed.
      Intuition and Transmute Artifact are other tutors that can be slotted in, though their prices can be a bit steep.

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety

      @@Mirvana Yeah, the deck can already be quite expensive considering the fetches and moxen. Although I mention these because I already possess them (and they can go in literally any deck) purchasing Transmute Artifact just for this deck might be a little out of someone's price range. Even though it could be used in other artifact heavy decks, price was one reason I omitted it from here. But it's definitely amazing here.
      Hm, I hadn't considered Welding Jar as a possible 0-costed artifact for the deck. It can help protect an artifact by regenerating it, but then again would it matter if an artifact gets destroyed? Emry would just tap in order for us to recast it from the graveyard. Tucking or exiling seems like more of a problem. If a key piece gets exiled then that could be a big problem. That's why I tried to be as redundant as possible with the combo pieces as well as including multiple and varying wincons.
      You have a good point on Riddlesmith. It's casting cost is definitely a benefit to the deck.

  • @watfordtips
    @watfordtips Před 4 lety +3

    What do you think is stronger? Emry or Urza cEDH? I have Urza but this is so tempting...

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety +5

      If I compare them, right off the bat I can tell you that with Urza you can win Turn 0 (godhand: Leyline of Anticipation, Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Isochron Scepter, Dramatic Reversal, and Mox Opal (you don't even need a 7th card)), something currently unachieveable with Emry. Actually, Emry can also win Turn 0, you'd just need Urza's previously mentioned godhand and have Urza be the 7th card :P. That being said, I feel Emry is more fun than Urza because of all the various interactions possible in a cEDH deck with Emry whereas Urza is solely on getting infinite mana as quickly as possible and protecting the combo. Also, Urza runs a ton of feel-bad artifacts as well as lots of salt-inducing ones to really ensure that victory. I guess it all depends on your preference of game style. As far as strength goes, Urza can run the orbs, Howling Mine, etc. and use those artifacts much to the chagrin of everyone else but to your delight since they don't hurt you. Those artifacts that disallow others from playing makes Urza the most cEDH of the two. But, as I mentioned earlier, as far as playstyles go, I prefer Emry.

    • @maciejnowak666
      @maciejnowak666 Před 4 lety +1

      I have an Emry deck thats been doing pretty well. A lot of dorks in my LGS have asked me, why don't i play Urza instead? My answer has been "because i want to play emry" if i wanted to build an Ura deck i would have done it months ago. But to answer your question, Urza is stronger if it gets going. Emry just seems much quicker

    • @pedrosequeira9829
      @pedrosequeira9829 Před 4 lety

      Generally speaking, Emry is faster while Urza is more disruptive and resillient.

  • @Crowsbane4
    @Crowsbane4 Před 3 lety +1

    jeez, this is cedh level for sure. maybe tourny winner

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 3 lety

      Thanks! I'm not a cEDH player but I did my best.

    • @Crowsbane4
      @Crowsbane4 Před 3 lety +1

      @@TheCommanderTavern it's very impressive, nothing my play group would be okay with but for tournaments for sure

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 3 lety

      @@Crowsbane4 Lol, I know a lot of playgroups don't allow this level of degeneracy :P

    • @Crowsbane4
      @Crowsbane4 Před 3 lety +1

      @@TheCommanderTavern you're telling me, I tried to make a mono white stacks/prison deck with avacyn as the commander. Including land destruction (big no no) lots of stacks (also big no no) including winter orb, rule of law, wrath of God, armageddon ect. And since she gives EVERYTHING indestructible it'd be one sided board and land wipes. Like infinite nev disk. Very gross

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 3 lety

      @@Crowsbane4 Oof!!! Nice!!!
      I have no complaints against any decks or cards used against me so long as they're legal. If we're going to be in the same power level then it's all good. If you wanna use mass land destruction, control, stax, combo, etc. it doesn't matter because those are all legal strats. Just know that I will use a deck at equal power ;)

  • @myrical4147
    @myrical4147 Před 4 lety +3

    I love and hate emry. Its so hard for me to build a deck around her since there are so many great options for combos.

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety

      I know, right?! There's just so many good cards; it's really hard to pin down how to make her as good as possible.

    • @myrical4147
      @myrical4147 Před 4 lety +1

      @@TheCommanderTavern Love the video btw. Its so in depth about how the combos work. Also would you just replace lab maniac with thassa's oracle or run both?

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety

      Blackwater Heart Thanks!
      Well, the video was made when Emry got spoiled so Thassa’s Oracle wasn’t out yet. But it’s definitely a shoe-in because it follows the same win path as with Laboratory Maniac and Jace, Wielder of Mysteries.

  • @12474321
    @12474321 Před 4 lety +2

    Hi! Im very new to edh and i do want to build an Emry deck, although i do not want to build a cEDH deck because they look pretty expensive >.< and most of my friends said that they dont play at such a high power level :X
    I am not familiar enough with what cards should i put into a casual emry commander deck that utilises graveyards and artifacts and i hope theres someone who can help me out here! :D
    Also, love the video, there are many that explains about the combos for emry but for a newer player i understood this the best XD

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety +3

      Thanks! Glad you liked the video! One of the things I've wanted of my channel is to really explain card interactions and not simply put the cards up on the screen and orally explain combos. I want to literally show players/viewers how the combo works even if I have to use animations and diagrams. That makes it much easier for people to visualize how to use them. If you look through my other videos you can see that I do the same thing with every other combo. I even explain interactions in the stack in great detail in my Mazirek, Kraul Death Priest video. You might even like that one because it's a budget video as well - you can build that deck for under $40!
      As for a budget Emry, at the end of the video I explain which cards to swap out to make the deck cost wayyyyy cheaper - by over $1,000 cheaper. If you don't want a fullblown cEDH deck and want something more casual, it's kinda hard not to do that with Emry. Unless you're using her to reanimate an artifact creature every turn I think that's about as casual as can be. She's incredibly cheap to cast and has a really broken ability. But, if you want to reduce the power level, you're simultaneously reducing the cost because what makes her high level are the 0-costed mana rocks, which also makes the deck super expensive.
      What strategy were you considering when building her as a normal EDH deck? Eggs, reanimation, storm? What did you have in mind?

    • @12474321
      @12474321 Před 4 lety +2

      @@TheCommanderTavernThanks for the reply!
      I'm thinking more along the lines of reanimation :D For me, i'm very new to mtg, came from mtg-arena and saw a couple of games of brawl and commander and i really liked the singleton format :D
      I'm just not sure as to what cards should i look for in order to get a deck that's not too powerful but yet still able to make use of Emry's ability a lot x.x
      After typing it out it does seem a bit contradictory XD, (since using Emry's ability a lot would lean towards a competitive deck :X) I guess the best way to describe is, I dont like the power level of going Infinite, but i like the idea of having many combos and synergy if that makes any sense x.x
      Truth to be told i also like the theme of the lady in the lake that just returns lost items :X

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety +3

      Nyuu Hm... how about something janky like vorthos self-milling voltron? Self-milling means you play spells/abilities that have you send cards from your own library into the graveyard (like what Emry does when she enters the battlefield). Voltron means you’re beefing up a single creature in order to win via commander damage. Vorthos is a deck based on flavor rather than strategy. This lady of the lake gives a sword. So you’d be sending cards to your graveyard looking for swords to reanimate and then equip on either Emry for the win or creatures. That seems like a casual deck that achieves the flavor win while also being able to actually win. You could include as many of the Sword of X and Y you can (Sword of Feast and Famine, etc.) to protect Emry while also making her dangerous.
      You could also manipulate the top of your deck with effects and cards like Sensei’s Divining Top, Scroll Rack, Brainstorm, etc. so that you’re not self-milling seemingly at random. Then include ways to recur cards Emry can’t like adding Archaeomancer for instants and sorceries or adding Body Double in case you self-mill a creature.
      I think that would be an interesting take on Emry, if I do say so myself ;)

    • @12474321
      @12474321 Před 4 lety +1

      @@TheCommanderTavern oo thanks for the tip! I will look into it ^_^!

  • @MonsterTeegs
    @MonsterTeegs Před 4 lety +2

    Dont you draw from the baubles on the next turn, meaning the person to your left's turn? Not on YOUR next upkeep but the NEXT upkeep.

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety +1

      Mhm! Very true. Slip o'th' tongue.

    • @MonsterTeegs
      @MonsterTeegs Před 4 lety +1

      @@TheCommanderTavern Cool thanks for the reply! And thank you for the video, Emry is now my all time favourite deck thanks to your guidance 🙏🏻

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety +1

      @@MonsterTeegs Thanks! Glad I was able to help! That's why I started this channel in the first place :P This is why I use so many diagrams and arrows and animations in my deck tech videos whenever I explain interactions, combos, etc.; it makes it easier to follow :)

  • @lifeisstrange3938
    @lifeisstrange3938 Před 3 lety

    I thought you can't use protean hulk because of commander color identity?

  • @themanwhosoldtheworld3032

    You can only cast the same card once per turn with emry.

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety +1

      You're confusion the ruling on Gatherer (this one: "Casting the target card causes it to leave your graveyard and become a new object. You can’t cast it again if it returns to your graveyard this turn.") with being able to recast the same artifact after a single activation of Emry. If you reactivate Emry then you can cast the same artifact from the graveyard everytime it goes there. This means that if I want to keep recasting an artifact from the graveyard with Emry, I have to keep untappping her to reactivate her. That's also how the Modern deck Jeskai Emry works.

    • @themanwhosoldtheworld3032
      @themanwhosoldtheworld3032 Před 4 lety +1

      @@TheCommanderTavern my bad

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety +2

      @@themanwhosoldtheworld3032 No harm, no foul, dude; no worries. Mistakes happen all the time.

  • @philippesimonis195
    @philippesimonis195 Před 4 lety

    Casting the target card causes it to leave your graveyard and become a new object. You can’t cast it again if it returns to your graveyard this turn. (2019-10-04)
    There is a rule that actually prevent you from playing all of this combos.

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety +2

      Philippe Simonis What that rule means is that you can’t cast it again (or indefinitely) off of a single activation of Emry. If you activate Emry again, you can. Because activating Emry again is targeting the new instance of that artifact and thus you’re able to cast it from the graveyard as a new object. That rule is a reminder of instances of objects. Just look up Emry Jeskai Ascendancy Combo and you’ll see the same concepts of this deck in that RWU Modern deck.

    • @philippesimonis195
      @philippesimonis195 Před 4 lety +1

      @@TheCommanderTavern Thank you so much for that reply. I own Emry myself and i was wondering if this combo is actually legal or not. One more reason to consider building a deck around Emry. Good day.

    • @TheCommanderTavern
      @TheCommanderTavern  Před 4 lety +1

      @@philippesimonis195 ​ Philippe Simonis Thanks! Glad I was helpful! I know it seems confusing at first, but the rule is to remind players that you can't indefinitely sacrifice and recast something like Mishra's Bauble over and over again with just one activation of Emry. You'd have to activate Emry for each casting from the graveyard because changing zones produces different instances of an object.